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[Roxy]

Thank you.

 

My dad passed away last year from brain cancer, so I was older than 13 at the time (I'm in my 20's).  I'm so sorry though, I know it must be harder when you're younger.

 

My mom seems to be handling things well now, it's just sad that she became a widow so young.

 

I'm sorry for your loss. 

 

Well I have to say GOD has been a Great Father to me for so many years,he's there when I need him and get's on to me when I do and say bad things lol 

I've been sick my whole life and he's taken good care of me,he showers me with love all the time. I miss my dad sometimes yes but I know he's in a good place right now. I'm glad your mom is doing better but I will still be praying for ya'll. 

[zambixi]

Is Lavellan being mortal really such a big issue? Sure, she might die and he'd live on. But presumably Solas has had to deal with this before. It doesn't make it easy, it doesn't make him care any less. It would be a tragedy, and it would hurt. But people don't tend to just exist in constant agony when a loved one dies. Life goes on. You aren't expected to just die because the love of your life dies. 

 

I'm not a really big fan of the idea that the only way they can be together is for one of them to give up mortality/immortality. Love is a great, wonderful thing! But it isn't the be all end all of someone's life. 

 

To me it is. There's always going to be that hanging over their relationship, and to me it makes it seem unequal? Lavellan is going to have to face her mortality later in life: something that Solas won't understand if he's not also mortal. Similarly, when Lavellan starts to age Solas will have to come to terms with en eternity without her: something Lavellan won't be able to understand. Not to mention the insecurities about appearances and health once Lavellan starts getting into old age. It won't be a "sudden" or uncertain thing (normally you can't really say which partner will die first); Lavellan in her current state is sure to die before Solas. Living with that kind of future looming ahead seems sort of bleak...Living afterwards by oneself seems even more bleak. Many of my family members were very lost when their spouse died. Not temporarily but for the rest of their lives. Not all of them of course, but a good number. It's just really sad to me and if that were going to be the case then I'd rather not have them get back together at all.

 

I think it'd be best if they just left it open. Leave it up to the player. Otherwise I'd prefer them to find some way for them to be with each other for eternity/their total lives. Even some of the most tragic love stories I've read have a twist that lets the lovers be "together" (random book spoilers ahead):

 

Spoiler

Atonement: both lovers die tragically, but they are "together" in the story crafted by the younger sister as penance for ruining their lives.

 

Time Traveler's Wife: Never mind the regular separation of time traveling, but the guy actually dies. However, because of the weird time-travel magic he still shows up later in her life, and there's the implication that he re-appears at certain moments throughout the rest of her days.

 

Romeo & Juliet: Classic. They're together in death.

 

Of course there are many, many examples of romances with completely tragic endings but...I'd rather it not be this romance. Plus the ones with tragedy usually come about because the protagonist is flawed and does something dumb (Anna Karenina, Wuthering Heights, etc). Our protagonist (Lavellan) hasn't messed up yet right?

[Cheerios789]

Of course there are many, many examples of romances with completely tragic endings but...I'd rather it not be this romance. Plus the ones with tragedy usually come about because the protagonist is flawed and does something dumb (Anna Karenina, Wuthering Heights, etc). Our protagonist (Lavellan) hasn't messed up yet right?

 

Well she did pick up a strange orb of unknown magical origin.  (That's pretty dumb if she's a mage)

 

Wait there was something else ... Oh yeah, she fell in love with the evil bogeyman of her people.  The one she (if she's a mage) is supposed to protect her people from.

 

Other than that... nah not much.

 

lol jk

[Wheels]

I agree.

 

My Hubby is 18 years older than me. I knew that before I married him I could end up alone in the future cause he's older than I am but I love him so much that I didn't/don't care. When you love someone you want to be with them no matter what and that's what I would like to see with Lavellan and Solas.

 

Also I pray that your mom will find happiness again and you, I lost my dad when I was 13 and it sucks to not have a father figure around. GOD Bless you both. 

 

Man, people, this thread is getting all depressing now.

I was 9 when my dad died in a car accident, I'm 21 now, and my mum has found someone new (but it's still impossible to talk to her about my dad without her starting to cry).

 

Hugs to you!

[Roxy]

Man, people, this thread is getting all depressing now.

I was 9 when my dad died in a car accident, I'm 21 now, and my mum has found someone new (but it's still impossible to talk to her about my dad without her starting to cry).

 

Hugs to you!

 

GOD Bless you both, sorry about your dad. 

 

Hugs right back at ya! 

 

Weeeell let's put some happiness back in here :

 

Spoiler

 

http://www.deviantar...solas-496685291

 

 

 

http://www.deviantar...Solas-488843827

[Uirebhiril]

On the other side of it, how many really want eternity with their partner? No, really. Even with a close and loving relationship, after a time any couple might want to have a bit of a vacation. One goes off camping for the weekend, the other has a getaway with their close friends without significant others. In a situation where people live forever, it's not strange to think that they would spend years apart and be fine with it. Sure, you have the idea that you can return and see each other eventually, but I doubt it'd be a case of "I must always be with you forever!!" Forever apart after a small time together might be sad, but the memories would still mean something. Any of us that has lost a close loved one will always remember who we were with that person and how it changed us. We live on and they aren't really gone. I don't see this being entirely different.

[Eivuwan]

On the other side of it, how many really want eternity with their partner? No, really. Even with a close and loving relationship, after a time any couple might want to have a bit of a vacation. One goes off camping for the weekend, the other has a getaway with their close friends without significant others. In a situation where people live forever, it's not strange to think that they would spend years apart and be fine with it. Sure, you have the idea that you can return and see each other eventually, but I doubt it'd be a case of "I must always be with you forever!!" Forever apart after a small time together might be sad, but the memories would still mean something. Any of us that has lost a close loved one will always remember who we were with that person and how it changed us. We live on and they aren't really gone. I don't see this being entirely different.

 

Well, that's the nice part of immortality. You can be separate for years doing your own thing, but always have the option of meeting up and being together for a bit too. But if one is immortal and the other is mortal, the separation is permanent. There's no option of being together when you want to.

[mrs_anomaly]

First I wish to the gods that we could multiquote still  ! I've tried to keep up but this thread moves insanely fast. 

 

If you read a lot of paranormal urban fantasy fiction you will see the immortal vs mortal love trope constantly. It's usually easier for the reader to accept a matching life time- not because love is the ultimate of all life (but it kind of is if you're a romantic  ) but it's less savage on both parties. If Solas has an immortal lifetime and Lavellan cannot have that- sure he could move on but how many of us have lost a pet? I lost my first pet, a beloved pet, 14 years ago and sometimes if I ever talk about him I'll just cry. Still. And I'm a mother of four kids. Sure, call me a sap, but I loved that cat! Now consider losing someone that is your lover. Consider all and everything that has ever been done or motivated by love. It may not be every action known to the universe but it's a considerable amount. It is clear to me that Solas loves deeply. He mentions that no one has caught his attention in so long (millennium probs  ) and Lavellan has managed to do that. We've managed to snare his attention from his primary task and from his Fade so I do not think it implausible that losing us is extremely painful for him. Mortality could easily be an issue. 

[kalasaurus]

To help cheer up the thread, here, have a happy Solas Christmas elf :3

 

 

(I still can't believe I own something like this XD.  I should take creative pictures of it as Christmas approaches!)

[Eivuwan]

First I wish to the gods that we could multiquote still  ! I've tried to keep up but this thread moves insanely fast. 

 

If you read a lot of paranormal urban fantasy fiction you will see the immortal vs mortal love trope constantly. It's usually easier for the reader to accept a matching life time- not because love is the ultimate of all life (but it kind of is if you're a romantic  ) but it's less savage on both parties. If Solas has an immortal lifetime and Lavellan cannot have that- sure he could move on but how many of us have lost a pet? I lost my first pet, a beloved pet, 14 years ago and sometimes if I ever talk about him I'll just cry. Still. And I'm a mother of four kids. Sure, call me a sap, but I loved that cat! Now consider losing someone that is your lover. Consider all and everything that has ever been done or motivated by love. It may not be every action known to the universe but it's a considerable amount. It is clear to me that Solas loves deeply. He mentions that no one has caught his attention in so long (millennium probs  ) and Lavellan has managed to do that. We've managed to snare his attention from his primary task and from his Fade so I do not think it implausible that losing us is extremely painful for him. Mortality could easily be an issue. 

 

Agree, I don't think Solas is the type of person who can move on from the past very well. It's clear that he's still preoccupied with it in the game. It's not like he's Zeus who have many lovers and is just "whatevers" about them when they die.

[Mims]

I suppose I can understand the appeal. Its just something that strikes me as a bit too divorced from the narrative. Too perfect, in a sense. I'm not a big fan of the idea that a person needs to change who they are in order to be happy. It suggests that Lavellan is somehow Solas's lesser just because she has a mortal life. Surely they are both worthy on their own merits. Considering all the things already stacked against them, wanting Lavellan to be immortal just because she loved a god, or for Solas to give up immortality when he could potentially be a force for good...bothers me. 

 

I have no argument as far as speculation or headcanons. But I really hope it is something bioware never touches on. 

[Eivuwan]

I suppose I can understand the appeal. Its just something that strikes me as a bit too divorced from the narrative. Too perfect, in a sense. I'm not a big fan of the idea that a person needs to change who they are in order to be happy. It suggests that Lavellan is somehow Solas's lesser just because she has a mortal life. Surely they are both worthy on their own merits. Considering all the things already stacked against them, wanting Lavellan to be immortal just because she loved a god, or for Solas to give up immortality when he could potentially be a force for good...bothers me. 

 

I have no argument as far as speculation or headcanons. But I really hope it is something bioware never touches on. 

 

But is mortality or immortality such a big part of their identity? Sure people shouldn't change who they are at the core, but for me when I think of someone's identity I think of values and personality, not how long they live. Frankly, even though Solas has a lot of things he feel that he must do, it seems clear to me that he's an unhappy person and mortality might be what he wants as long as he doesn't die alone.

[zambixi]

On the other side of it, how many really want eternity with their partner? No, really. Even with a close and loving relationship, after a time any couple might want to have a bit of a vacation. One goes off camping for the weekend, the other has a getaway with their close friends without significant others. In a situation where people live forever, it's not strange to think that they would spend years apart and be fine with it. Sure, you have the idea that you can return and see each other eventually, but I doubt it'd be a case of "I must always be with you forever!!" Forever apart after a small time together might be sad, but the memories would still mean something. Any of us that has lost a close loved one will always remember who we were with that person and how it changed us. We live on and they aren't really gone. I don't see this being entirely different.

 

When I say I would like Solas and Lavellan to be together forever I don't mean together for every moment of forever. There's a big difference between spending a few days/weeks/months/years apart and having no chance to ever see someone again ever though. The former is a temporary thing one chooses, the latter is a permanent thing usually chosen for someone.  A lot of people believe that there is an afterlife, and that they will be together with their loved ones in said afterlife. Solas woudn't even get that comfort, being immortal. And we're talking about a guy that still carries around pain from actions he committed thousands of years ago. I don't think getting over Lavellan would be easy for him.

 

First I wish to the gods that we could multiquote still  ! I've tried to keep up but this thread moves insanely fast. 

 

If you read a lot of paranormal urban fantasy fiction you will see the immortal vs mortal love trope constantly. It's usually easier for the reader to accept a matching life time- not because love is the ultimate of all life (but it kind of is if you're a romantic  ) but it's less savage on both parties. If Solas has an immortal lifetime and Lavellan cannot have that- sure he could move on but how many of us have lost a pet? I lost my first pet, a beloved pet, 14 years ago and sometimes if I ever talk about him I'll just cry. Still. And I'm a mother of four kids. Sure, call me a sap, but I loved that cat! Now consider losing someone that is your lover. Consider all and everything that has ever been done or motivated by love. It may not be every action known to the universe but it's a considerable amount. It is clear to me that Solas loves deeply. He mentions that no one has caught his attention in so long (millennium probs  ) and Lavellan has managed to do that. We've managed to snare his attention from his primary task and from his Fade so I do not think it implausible that losing us is extremely painful for him. Mortality could easily be an issue. 

 

I cry over my pets still too -- glad I'm not alone!

[Mims]

But is mortality or immortality such a big part of their identity? Sure people shouldn't change who they are at the core, but for me when I think of someone's identity I think of values and personality, not how long they live. Frankly, even though Solas has a lot of things he feel that he must do, it seems clear to me that he's an unhappy person and mortality might be what he wants as long as he doesn't die alone.

 

There's always that possibility, certainly. I suppose what I mean is- I would want that sort of decision to happen regardless of Solas's relationship status with the Inquisitor. It should be made because it is something he wants, not because of romance.

[mrs_anomaly]

But is mortality or immortality such a big part of their identity? Sure people shouldn't change who they are at the core, but for me when I think of someone's identity I think of values and personality, not how long they live. Frankly, even though Solas has a lot of things he feel that he must do, it seems clear to me that he's an unhappy person and mortality might be what he wants as long as he doesn't die alone.

Ugh ran out of *likes*. Agree x 1000. 

[Eivuwan]

There's always that possibility, certainly. I suppose what I mean is- I would want that sort of decision to happen regardless of Solas's relationship status with the Inquisitor. It should be made because it is something he wants, not because of romance.

 

Yeah, I don't want him to lose his immortality because that's what Lavellan wants or something. I want him to become mortal for himself or become mortal because the price of his plan is his immortality.

[Eivuwan]

Come to think of it, if Lavellan and Solas gets to live forever, then Bioware might feel obligated to include them in some form in future DA games. I think they would like to avoid that because however they write Lavellan and Solas' story, it would be disconcerting for people who did not imagine them that way. For example, it was nice to see Hawke in DAI, but it was really weird because she wasn't acting like the way I role-played her.

[jellobell]

I have no argument as far as speculation or headcanons. But I really hope it is something bioware never touches on. 

This. It's such a sticky situation that I hope they just don't even talk about it. Immortality tropes are the worst. I mean, what if Lavellan doesn't want immortality? What if she wants to live and die in the world that she's helping to shape? And the whole "giving up my immortality to be with you" seems too melodramatic and overwrought for a Dragon Age game.

 

Plus, even if we get Solas-centric DLC, it's not like any of this is the end. Just look at Origins. Even if you got a "happily ever after" ending slide, your Warden and their love interest continue doing stuff in later games. 

[Miss This or That]

When I say I would like Solas and Lavellan to be together forever I don't mean together for every moment of forever. There's a big difference between spending a few days/weeks/months/years apart and having no chance to ever see someone again ever though. The former is a temporary thing one chooses, the latter is a permanent thing usually chosen for someone.  A lot of people believe that there is an afterlife, and that they will be together with their loved ones in said afterlife. Solas woudn't even get that comfort, being immortal. And we're talking about a guy that still carries around pain from actions he committed thousands of years ago. I don't think getting over Lavellan would be easy for him.
 

 
I cry over my pets still too -- glad I'm not alone!

Solas really effed up by falling for Lavellan, didn't he? She's everything that can break his heart, mind and beliefs. She's mortal, will die eventually. She and her people are a part of something that he pities and even despises somewhat. She's the bearer of his powers. She is seen as a 'god' by many, yet a god from an entire different religion than her own. She's someone that learned to fear the Dread Wolf. She alone manages to make him forget what he is, even if it's only for a moment. She is the reason he stayed. She is...everything that can break him. And she almost does.

[Shechinah]

I could see him giving up his immortality to still his guilt. It'd actually be interesting because I can see it being a hard and frightening choice for someone who has lived for so long and perhaps never wondered what happens in death as the Uthenera was their version of death and that was voluntary sleep that people could awake from.

[Eivuwan]

This. It's such a sticky situation that I hope they just don't even talk about it. Immortality tropes are the worst. I mean, what if Lavellan doesn't want immortality? What if she wants to live and die in the world that she's helping to shape? And the whole "giving up my immortality to be with you" seems too melodramatic and overwrought for a Dragon Age game.

 

Plus, even if we get Solas-centric DLC, it's not like any of this is the end. Just look at Origins. Even if you got a "happily ever after" ending slide, your Warden and their love interest continue doing stuff in later games. 

 

Honestly, I suspect that they don't even have to touch on this issue because Solas might not be truly immortal. I mean he fears dying alone so he might be reaching the end of his long lifespan. Like maybe he only has a hundred years to live or something.

[Lulumi_Lumi]

I really love these sketches from hawkelahawke on how Solas could have looked if Bioware went for a more wild and wolf-like appearance.

[madrar]

Re:  Happy ending.

 

So the way I see it we need to look at the facts as we know them.  Solas is immortal, Lavellan is mortal.

 

Alright here are the options.

 

1.  Solas gives up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then he dies and the world is short one Dread Wolf.  That does not seem happy.

 

2.  Solas does not give up immortality and lives happily ever after with her.  Then she dies and Solas spends the rest of his days walking the Fade alone and sad.  Until one day he meets someone new.

 

3.  Lavellan ascends to godhood (see Ghilli'nain).  I really really don't want this cliche to happen.  It just seems ... cheap.

 

I don't see it happening, but I think #3 would be a viable hard-won "happy ending".  What keeps it from being total cliche is the nature of godhood in DA.  She's no literal God, but Solas' sacrifice restores the Peoples' lost immortality and Lavellan becomes a governing power of a rebuilt elvish society.  

 

Obviously, that's far too fluffy-rainbows-and-unicorns to actually happen.   I have no doubt there are more hearts to be sacrificed and fan-tears to be offered at the altar of Weekes.  He is a cruel god.  =w=

[jellobell]

Honestly, I suspect that they don't even have to touch on this issue because Solas might not be truly immortal. I mean he fears dying alone so he might be reaching the end of his long lifespan. Like maybe he only has a hundred years to live or something.

That's what I'm hoping as well. Or perhaps Uthenera itself is that immortality. So long as you're in Uthenera, you can live indefinitely. It'd explain why he went to sleep.

[dragondreamer]

There's always that possibility, certainly. I suppose what I mean is- I would want that sort of decision to happen regardless of Solas's relationship status with the Inquisitor. It should be made because it is something he wants, not because of romance.

 

Sandal's prophecy may mean that the elves are all going to end up immortal again.  Maybe that's part of what Solas is trying to do.  Whatever he's doing, it's not for the Inquisitor alone.  There's still a lot of unanswered questions about what exactly changed for the elves when Fen'Harel brought everything crashing down.

 

Of course, I'm trying to think positively with the theory about immortality and Solas and Lavellan being together in the end.  I can't help thinking they'll simply be a one-time thing, and Solas won't be able to go back to her because he's becoming too big a player in the overarching plot.  Maybe Lavellan was a "real" elf in his eyes, and maybe that meant that every elf could be "real", but he's come too far, and he's too invested in restoring what he destroyed.  He feels it's his responsibility to bring the "real" elvhen back to Thedas.  It's unlikely he's going to let his feelings for Lavellan or hers for him come before what he feels he needs to do.