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[zambixi]

There's always that possibility, certainly. I suppose what I mean is- I would want that sort of decision to happen regardless of Solas's relationship status with the Inquisitor. It should be made because it is something he wants, not because of romance.

 

Yeah, I don't want him to lose his immortality because that's what Lavellan wants or something. I want him to become mortal for himself or become mortal because the price of his plan is his immortality.

 

I think there's a difference between giving up immortality because Lavellan wants him to, and giving it up because of his relationship with her. I don't want Lavellan to force it on him, and I don't think that's something she would do. But if he decides that he wants to "grow old with her" then is that a worse reason than any other for him becoming mortal?

 

 

Come to think of it, if Lavellan and Solas gets to live forever, then Bioware might feel obligated to include them in some form in future DA games. I think they would like to avoid that because however they write Lavellan and Solas' story, it would be disconcerting for people who did not imagine them that way. For example, it was nice to see Hawke in DAI, but it was really weird because she wasn't acting like the way I role-played her.

 

They could just send them somewhere, like they've sent the Warden away. It'd be cool if they decided to cross the Amaranthine or something. Or maybe Solas just shows up without Lavellan - they don't have to be together 100%. I would think that regardless of the romance they have to figure out how/when Solas will show up in the future and how/when the Inquisitor will show up. The romance probably won't effect those decisions too much (in the way that romances have little effect on what Warden and Hawke do now).

 

This. It's such a sticky situation that I hope they just don't even talk about it. Immortality tropes are the worst. I mean, what if Lavellan doesn't want immortality? What if she wants to live and die in the world that she's helping to shape? And the whole "giving up my immortality to be with you" seems too melodramatic and overwrought for a Dragon Age game.

 

Plus, even if we get Solas-centric DLC, it's not like any of this is the end. Just look at Origins. Even if you got a "happily ever after" ending slide, your Warden and their love interest continue doing stuff in later games. 

 

I feel like they need to at least hint at something. Open the issue and leave it ambiguous. Maybe it's just because we've had a debate about it, but is seems like a pretty big elephant in the room for their relationship. If they could pull off what they did with the frick frack snick snack - where it can be implied either way - that would be GREAT. If they avoid the issue entirely I will just be thinking, "what else is going on? How are they resolving this? Why aren't they talking about this totally obvious part of their relationship?"

[Aetheria]

I can't help thinking they'll simply be a one-time thing, and Solas won't be able to go back to her because he's becoming too big a player in the overarching plot.  Maybe Lavellan was a "real" elf in his eyes, and maybe that meant that every elf could be "real", but he's come too far, and he's too invested in restoring what he destroyed.  He feels it's his responsibility to bring the "real" elvhen back to Thedas.  It's unlikely he's going to let his feelings for Lavellan or hers for him come before what he feels he needs to do.

This is more or less what I'm expecting to really happen, all other speculation aside. Remember, the whole romance angle was only added as a bonus after the game got more development time. I do think there'll be at least a reference or two to their relationship in future DLC/sequels, but the most likely thing IMO is that it's just a couple of lines where someone mentions that it happened but didn't make any difference in the long run.

[dragondreamer]

Honestly, I suspect that they don't even have to touch on this issue because Solas might not be truly immortal. I mean he fears dying alone so he might be reaching the end of his long lifespan. Like maybe he only has a hundred years to live or something.

 

Even the ancient elves weren't immortal in that they couldn't be killed or eventually die in uthenera.  This was part of Dalish lore before, and seems to be confirmed now.  And there were ancient elves killed in uthenera in Masked Empire, and we know Mythal was murdered.  I imagine Solas saw himself alone in a world where all the elves around him were not real elves.  Maybe moreso if they eventually died out through breeding with other races, leaving him the last elf in the world...  Sounds like the sort of grim and fatalistic thing he might imagine...

[The Oracle]

I always invisioned that if he were to lose his immortality, it would be due to him needing to use all of his power to fix whatever he f*cks up in the future. Because, lets be honest here, do any of us doubt that if an expansion/dlc comes out that's Solas centric, that he's not going to have majorly f*cked up somewhere in it? In my mind, (and I'm sure I've said this before) I can see him starting a ritual to bring about whatever it is he wishes to do (because no-one is 100% sure on this) and when convinced by Quizzy that what he's going to do will be a HUGE bad move, to stop the ritual it means either sacrificing Quizzy due to her hand-god power or Solas sacrificing himself and the power he has to stop it Or Mythal's power as I still believe he's got her as his head-buddy). My two cents..

[Neria Rose]

Just poking my head in here to say I am a convert. I hadn't expected to be interested in Solas (I kept myself mostly away from spoilers and companion info prior to the game's release), but the second he opened his mouth at the beginning of the game, I was hooked. That voice of his is so.. smooth and irresistible. I completed my first planned playthrough (female human mage/Blackwall, which was enjoyable), but had been chomping at the bit the entire time for Solas.

 

I'm now on my female elf PT and looking forward to more interactions with him! Now I shall bow out to avoid more spoilers.

[Nyaore]

This is more or less what I'm expecting to really happen, all other speculation aside. Remember, the whole romance angle was only added as a bonus after the game got more development time. I do think there'll be at least a reference or two to their relationship in future DLC/sequels, but the most likely thing IMO is that it's just a couple of lines where someone mentions that it happened but didn't make any difference in the long run.

I'm sort of seeing it going like with what happened with Morrigan. There can be a resolution to the romance with explanations and potentially the Inquisitor following after Solas and choosing to be with him, but in subsequent games they'll be separated for the good of the story. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. It's what headcanons are for, making up different things when the canon state of the world isn't to your liking. All I really want is for him to give my Lavellan an explanation to her face before disappearing. After that? I always have fanfiction.

[Dave of Canada]

How is it that a cursory romance implemented due to an extension of development has more meaning and emotional ties to it than some of the "main" romances? I'm half-tempted to make my "canon" Inquisitor a femElf with Solas due to the fact that both my Warden and Hawke were male and that I love setting up my "canon" to be the more interesting alternatives. 

[Eivuwan]

Just poking my head in here to say I am a convert. I hadn't expected to be interested in Solas (I kept myself mostly away from spoilers and companion info prior to the game's release), but the second he opened his mouth at the beginning of the game, I was hooked. That voice of his is so.. smooth and irresistible. I completed my first planned playthrough (female human mage/Blackwall, which was enjoyable), but had been chomping at the bit the entire time for Solas.

 

I'm now on my female elf PT and looking forward to more interactions with him! Now I shall bow out to avoid more spoilers.

 

Hehe, welcome to the thread, but be-careful because most of us have done away with the spoiler tag by this point.

[madrar]

To the loremasters; are there any viable theories out there about how immortality was really lost in the first place?

 

My memory is terrible- I seem to remember the Dalish both blaming it on coming into contact with "quickened" humans, but also a side-effect of being cut off from their Gods.  It can't be both, and is probably neither.   Can someone with a more solid grasp on things jump in here?

[caridounette]

 
Having just played out the Blackwall romance stuff so that it's painfully fresh... There are similarities in that both he and Solas are carrying a burden that is crushing, and they're unwilling to put it on anyone but themselves, but that very loneliness causes them to let one person in. It's a potent setup for a romantic story line.
 

 

 

I feel like Blakwall's story within the Inquisition is a story of Redemption. as well as his romance is about if you truly believe a man can reform.

 

Solas story, within the Inquisition, isnt a redemption one. He migh seek it at the end, but that isnt the part of his story we journey with him. Solas seems to gather the will to change 'things' while whit the Inquisition, Blackwall has been on that path for a long time, he jsut needs it acknowledged. Solas makes me think a bit of Cory on that regard. The whole 'it took so long but I have gathered the will to stand for myself'. Hopefully is plan isnt similar.

 

Now when I romance Blackwall, I might still send him to the Wardens. Maybe im not made for happy endings?

[zambixi]

This is more or less what I'm expecting to really happen, all other speculation aside. Remember, the whole romance angle was only added as a bonus after the game got more development time. I do think there'll be at least a reference or two to their relationship in future DLC/sequels, but the most likely thing IMO is that it's just a couple of lines where someone mentions that it happened but didn't make any difference in the long run.

 

That would be really depressing. Also a bit poor in the storytelling department IMO. His romance seems designed to get the player invested, and to feel unfinished. Why include it at all if it's not going to affect anything in future content? Or why not make it more final? They could have easily added a romance option for one of the other characters, or left it out entirely and focused their resources on some other type of content. I find it odd that they'd write the Solavellan arc in unless they had the intention of seeing it through.

 

If they hand-wave it with a few lines then it will probably be the biggest let-down I've played in a BW game.

 

 

I'm sort of seeing it going like with what happened with Morrigan. There can be a resolution to the romance with explanations and potentially the Inquisitor following after Solas and choosing to be with him, but in subsequent games they'll be separated for the good of the story. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. It's what headcanons are for, making up different things when the canon state of the world isn't to your liking. All I really want is for him to give my Lavellan an explanation to her face before disappearing. After that? I always have fanfiction.

 

This is what I expect. I don't expect Solas and Lavellan to show up together in the future (we don't even get to see Hawke + their LI). I'm 100% happy with that - the whole franchise is not about Solavellan. But I really want a sort of happy closure before then >.>

[Shechinah]

(to madrar) I do not have the lore books yet so I looked it up on the Wikipedia and it seems to suggest that the elves saw the arrival of the "quicklings" (mortal races) as being responsible for spreading the disease of mortality to them because it was around that time they seemed to begin to die from natural causes. Furthermore, it says that elves who spent time in the presence of humans found themselves aging quicker.

 

Since we know very little about the ancient elves, this could easily be a case of something being blamed on someone else like an old tale of a sudden death among cattle being linked to a new arrival in a small town.

 

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Elvhenan - It is under "History" if you are curious to see for yourself.

[dragondreamer]

To the loremasters; are there any viable theories out there about how immortality was really lost in the first place?

 

My memory is terrible- I seem to remember the Dalish both blaming it on coming into contact with "quickened" humans, but also a side-effect of being cut off from their Gods.  It can't be both, and is probably neither.   Can someone with a more solid grasp on things jump in here?

 

There aren't any solid leads...  A lot of people thought it might be blood magic (although the Lady of the Forest said that Zathrian's method wasn't the immortality secret of the ancient elves), but if Solas is any indication, that seems unlikely now.  There's also hints in Dirthamen's temple that blood magic wasn't viewed any better by the ancient elves than by modern peoples.  Solas seems neutral about it, but is pretty vehement that he doesn't practice it. 

 

My own theory is that the elves might have a dualistic nature that's part spirit, and that causes them to adapt and imitate other beings they encounter.  In the case of humans, making them more mortal.  I think it might even be why when they have children with non-elves, the child is always the race of the non-elven parent.

 

But at this point, it's kinda up in the air.  I'm hoping we'll find out what's up with the immortality whenever we learn more about Solas' plans.  The best answer we've gotten from him on the subject is that being immortal was just a part of being elven in the old days.  But it doesn't explain why modern elves aren't immortal. 

[GloriousDame]

I'm sort of seeing it going like with what happened with Morrigan. There can be a resolution to the romance with explanations and potentially the Inquisitor following after Solas and choosing to be with him, but in subsequent games they'll be separated for the good of the story. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. It's what headcanons are for, making up different things when the canon state of the world isn't to your liking. All I really want is for him to give my Lavellan an explanation to her face before disappearing. After that? I always have fanfiction.

I would be more than happy if they did something similar to what they did with MorriganxWarden. Even something like Alistair+Warden would sit well... But again, something more like Morrigan's bit would be perfect.

 

That would be really depressing. Also a bit poor in the storytelling department IMO. His romance seems designed to get the player invested, and to feel unfinished. Why include it at all if it's not going to affect anything in future content? Or why not make it more final? They could have easily added a romance option for one of the other characters, or left it out entirely and focused their resources on some other type of content. I find it odd that they'd write the Solavellan arc in unless they had the intention of seeing it through.

 

If they hand-wave it with a few lines then it will probably be the biggest let-down I've played in a BW game.

I agree with this. Obviously it's the sign of a good writer to leave the audience hanging on for the next few words, but they have made us deeply invested in this character and relationship... For them to toss it away for the sake of  content, seems rather cheap. It's almost becoming too easy to bring tragedy or an unhappy ending, and more complicated to get a couple back together and happy.

 

Edit: Oh and... Oh my goodness. Viv has been a total b*tch to my Inquisitor in this PT... I'd gotten along well enough with everyone up until this playthrough. The way she demeans your character, her origin, and intelligence, and then have NO way to give her a GOOD line or two back is torture. I was so angry at her, I stormed out, back in the library, and down to speak to Solas... Of course his first words were, "My heart." Just like that, all the anger just washed away.

[Shechinah]

If I remember correctly, Zathrian's immortality was due to the fact that he had created a connection between himself and the spirit that became the Lady of the Forest. It was believed to be him rediscovering the ancient elvhen immortality by his clan. Boy, must that have been awkward for the Warden to explain.

 

While it is possible that was how the ancient elvhen did it, I find it doubtful since Solas seems a stout opponent of it but does not seem to speak ill of the immortality itself as far as I know. It seems more likely that it was akin to the theory that they might have some sort of spiritual connection in themselves rather than needed a spirit each. I rather like the theory dragondreamer mentions above.

 

It would be interesting if the stories of veil not always having been there was true.

[madrar]

Brace for crazy theory.

 

[nuts]

It's not a pleasant prospect, but immortality could have been bred out of the ancient elves.   We know from ME that half-elves exist, direct evidence that humans and elves can interbreed.  They are possibly the only races that can in Thedas, though I don't know that for certain.  Ignoring the interesting ramifications this might have in the original appearance of humans for now, focus on the rise of Tevinter in the aftermath of the fall of Arlathan.

 

You have a nation of mortal men with a keen interest in blood magic, and their immortal slaves.  Though I'm not sure about this aspect, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the blood of a random street urchin and the blood of Mythal have a bit of a different kick when used.   That adds additional motivation, but either way, you have a slave population that does not naturally replenish itself, with masters that have a vested interest in using up the lives of those slaves.

 

End result:  human interbreeding, perhaps forced, to produce more slaves as the most powerful elvhen were sacrificed, the elvish blood getting weaker and lives shorter with each successive generation.

 

It's not a great theory, but it would explain why ancient elves remain seemingly unaffected by the quickening in the modern day, even though the "Gods" are sealed away and Solas / Felassan / etc are fine despite being in constant contact with Shems.

 

It doesn't bode well for Lavellan, though.

[/nuts]

[caridounette]

I'm sort of seeing it going like with what happened with Morrigan. There can be a resolution to the romance with explanations and potentially the Inquisitor following after Solas and choosing to be with him, but in subsequent games they'll be separated for the good of the story. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. It's what headcanons are for, making up different things when the canon state of the world isn't to your liking. All I really want is for him to give my Lavellan an explanation to her face before disappearing. After that? I always have fanfiction.

 

To be honest, I dont think it would take so much ressources to turn a happy-friendship-ending into a happy-romanced-ending. See the rest of the romance >.> 

If theres a DLC with Solas in it there probbly will be closure. But it also might be a slam door to the face so well see.

 

Immortality quest, now thats pretty much assured to stay in headcanon territory. So what ever flots anyone's boat I guess.

[dragondreamer]

That would be really depressing. Also a bit poor in the storytelling department IMO. His romance seems designed to get the player invested, and to feel unfinished. Why include it at all if it's not going to affect anything in future content? Or why not make it more final? They could have easily added a romance option for one of the other characters, or left it out entirely and focused their resources on some other type of content. I find it odd that they'd write the Solavellan arc in unless they had the intention of seeing it through.

 

If they hand-wave it with a few lines then it will probably be the biggest let-down I've played in a BW game.

 

 

Bittersweet romances, it wouldn't be the only one. 

 

Even if they never meet again, I still loved what they had. 

[Nyaore]

To be honest, I dont think it would take so much ressources to turn a happy-friendship-ending into a happy-romanced-ending. See the rest of the romance >.> 

If theres a DLC with Solas in it there probbly will be closure. But it also might be a slam door to the face so well see.

 

Immortality quest, now thats pretty much assured to stay in headcanon territory. So what ever flots anyone's boat I guess.

Oh not a matter of resources, I'm just saying there's a precedent with the Morrigan romance and if that's the way they want to go then I'm okay with it so long as we get closure. If they do more I'd be over the moon, but all I really care about is that they don't leave it as it currently is with our Lavellans in the lurch.

[Shechinah]

It's not a crazy theory if we go by the idea that the immortality was lost over time and said time were different person to person. I'd imaging many would be interested in obtaining the immortality for themselves and I could even see them resorting to more and more drastic methods if the immortality seemed to be slipping out between their fingers each death at a time.

[Shechinah]

If all we do get is a "Wolf Hunt" dlc akin to "Witch Hunt" then I am content because while I want closure, I want most of all for my Inquisitor to have a chance to, if anything else, say goodbye. Goodbyes might not always be pleasent but I find the nothing worse. Even if I didn't romance Morrigan in Origins, it was nice to see my Warden tell her to say goodbye this time as they ended on a rather sober note despite their high friendship.

 

Depending on how Solas handles it, I might also be content with shoving him through a eluvian stonefist-to-the-gut-style but that's only if he really steps in it.

[madrar]

 

 

My own theory is that the elves might have a dualistic nature that's part spirit, and that causes them to adapt and imitate other beings they encounter.  In the case of humans, making them more mortal.  I think it might even be why when they have children with non-elves, the child is always the race of the non-elven parent.

 

 

 

Ah, thanks.  Scrap that last theory, then.  

 

This makes some sense, in that Abelas and his kind have been largely insulated from humans, and Solas' particular connection to the fade probably keeps him enough on the "spirit" side of the sliding scale to maintain his immortality.

 

What's the story behind Zathrian?

[flowersloveoranges]

On a side note one recent blog post of Bioware's listed some of the songs the writers for each character commonly listened to. The writer of Solas listened to songs such as KD Lang's Hallelujah...Which makes a lot of sense lyrics wise, and the writer says that they listened to the song on loop while writing important scenes for Solas. http://blog.bioware....ge-inquisition/

[InkQuest]

This is more or less what I'm expecting to really happen, all other speculation aside. Remember, the whole romance angle was only added as a bonus after the game got more development time. I do think there'll be at least a reference or two to their relationship in future DLC/sequels, but the most likely thing IMO is that it's just a couple of lines where someone mentions that it happened but didn't make any difference in the long run.

 

Even if he was a late arrival in the romance department, I have a feeling that we'll get something more than just a couple lines. For him to be added I think Bioware would have know to be fully prepared to adjust whatever plans they have for him to reflect the romance, lest it lead to a similar sort of situation they had with the Thane romancers after ME3.

[madrar]

As an aside on the "ancient elves = slightly less spirity spirits" topic, it seems like an obvious lead that the few ancient elves we know are named (or choose their name) based on their defining nature, much as spirits do.  Sorrow, before the fall, may once have been "Remembrance" or "Memory"- fitting, given Abelas' duty.

 

It's not a big leap to assume that Solas' original name (before he twisted to Pride, before he was Fen'Harel) was the elvish word for "Wisdom".

 

Just out of curiousity, do we know what that word is?