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[Shechinah]

(to madrar) Zathrian was a dalish keeper who had two children, a son and a daughter. They were captured by humans and the son was murdered while the daughter was raped though she survived long enough to find out she was pregnant and killed herself because it was simply too much to bear.

 

Enraged, Zathrian sought revenge and bound a spirit to a wolf which became Witherfang. He turned it on the humans who either died or became werewolves. They, in turn, attacked and infected others. It seems to be suggested that they might also have had children besides the victims who turned over the years.

 

Despite the fact that the ones who were responsible for his grief were dead, Zathrian refused to end the curse and so Witherfang turned the werewolves against Zathrian's clan to force him to end the curse in order to stop them and save his clansmen. To do this, both Witherfang and Zathrian would die.

[zambixi]

As an aside on the "ancient elves = slightly less spirity spirits" topic, it seems like an obvious lead that the few ancient elves we know are named (or choose their name) based on their defining nature, much as spirits do.  Sorrow, before the fall, may once have been "Remembrance" or "Memory"- fitting, given Abelas' duty.

 

It's not a big leap to assume that Solas' original name (before he twisted to Pride, before he was Fen'Harel) was the elvish word for "Wisdom".

 

Just out of curiousity, do we know what that word is?

 

It's not on the Wiki, but would his first name really be Wisdom? I thought the implication was that he was not wise before, leading to the mistakes he made.

[dragondreamer]

Ah, thanks.  Scrap that last theory, then.  

 

This makes some sense, in that Abelas and his kind have been largely insulated from humans, and Solas' particular connection to the fade probably keeps him enough on the "spirit" side of the sliding scale to maintain his immortality.

 

What's the story behind Zathrian?

 

He was using blood magic, bound a spirit, and remained young and alive as long as it lived.  Immortality wasn't the point of the spell, but it was an interesting side effect.  It's possible what he did recreated artificially what was behind ancient elven immortality, but what was simply a natural state of ancient elves.  I keep thinking about when Solas asks Lavellan about her "spirit" in that odd way that emphasized the word.  I also wonder if the implied duality of Falon'Din and Dirthamen might have something to do with this, since it's hinted they might represent a concept... Falon'Din is to Dirthamen what Flemeth was to Mythal, maybe?  Not really separate beings, but two sides of a coin.

 

Maybe that's how Avernus' blood magic was keeping him alive for so long, if he tied himself to a demon or something.  If it always requires a spirit component.

 

And yeah, elves, dwarves, and humans can all interbreed with each other.  Dunno about Qunari yet.  Humans and dwarves will create a true halfbreed, looks like a short human/tall dwarf.  Elves only produce elves with other elves, otherwise the child always comes out as the same race as the non-elven parent.  It's a weird thing with no explanation yet, except word of god that it's magic related, not a genetic thing.

[Shechinah]

Can we all just take a moment to appreciate that the Wikipedia says that Fen'Harel spend a centuries in a far corner of the earth, hugging himself and apparently giggling madly in glee?

 

It might not be true but it is one amusing image whether you see it as happening in wolf-mode or elf-mode.

[Tamyn]

That would be really depressing. Also a bit poor in the storytelling department IMO. His romance seems designed to get the player invested, and to feel unfinished. Why include it at all if it's not going to affect anything in future content? Or why not make it more final? They could have easily added a romance option for one of the other characters, or left it out entirely and focused their resources on some other type of content. I find it odd that they'd write the Solavellan arc in unless they had the intention of seeing it through.

 

If they hand-wave it with a few lines then it will probably be the biggest let-down I've played in a BW game.

 

I want to believe this. I really really do. But BioWare has burned me before, even though I know it was a different design team. But Patrick is from that team after all. I hate hate hate tragedies with the fire of a thousand suns. I hated being forced to read them in high school and write papers on them. I hate watching a movie, hoping for a happy resolution just to have the rug pulled out from under me in the end. Tragedies are not beautiful or poetic to me. They are just depressing, bleak, and a waste of time that I could have spent being happy.

[madrar]

There aren't any solid leads...  A lot of people thought it might be blood magic (although the Lady of the Forest said that Zathrian's method wasn't the immortality secret of the ancient elves), but if Solas is any indication, that seems unlikely now.  There's also hints in Dirthamen's temple that blood magic wasn't viewed any better by the ancient elves than by modern peoples.  Solas seems neutral about it, but is pretty vehement that he doesn't practice it. 

 

 

I don't know...  I wouldn't call him vehement.  It's not his domain, certainly, but he seems to stress pretty firmly that blood magic is no more inherently evil or good than any other domain.  Can you give me a better idea about the vibe you're picking up on in Dirthamen?  I'm not sure whether those were ancient Elves, and not post-Tevinter-era-heading-for-Dalish elves.  The Dalish, certainly, are pretty firmly anti-blood magic.

 

If turned out that elven immortality had a some blood magic connection - perhaps a connection to the blood of the Earth and the "song" - I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

[Ispan]

Sandal's prophecy may mean that the elves are all going to end up immortal again.  Maybe that's part of what Solas is trying to do.  Whatever he's doing, it's not for the Inquisitor alone.  There's still a lot of unanswered questions about what exactly changed for the elves when Fen'Harel brought everything crashing down.

 

Of course, I'm trying to think positively with the theory about immortality and Solas and Lavellan being together in the end.  I can't help thinking they'll simply be a one-time thing, and Solas won't be able to go back to her because he's becoming too big a player in the overarching plot.  Maybe Lavellan was a "real" elf in his eyes, and maybe that meant that every elf could be "real", but he's come too far, and he's too invested in restoring what he destroyed.  He feels it's his responsibility to bring the "real" elvhen back to Thedas.  It's unlikely he's going to let his feelings for Lavellan or hers for him come before what he feels he needs to do.

 

I've been trying to catch up on things but it's really hard, so I apologize if all of this has been said before.  I don't think "you are real" in the Cole dialogue refers to the Inquisitor, I think he's talking about Cole.  (This also became terribly long and I'm going to spoiler it because it contains party banter, quest, and other spoilers)

 

Spoiler

None of this will make sense unless I start by saying that I think ancient elves could be spirits of some kind, either body-riding or manifesting temporarily in the physical world and retreating to the Fade in uthenera when they could no longer sustain themselves.  The spirits/First Children mimic life so I think after the creation of the Veil they entered the physical world as god-like beings/a sort of nobility, and possibly those the Dalish consider gods and the forgotten ones are ancient elf nobles/spirits who fought over something.  That something might've been an attempt to actually cross into the physical world and become real, which could've somehow began the Blight.  The Chant says the darkspawn find old gods and corrupt them, but maybe in crossing into the physical world the ancient elf spirits became corrupted (just as a spirit of Wisdom can be corrupted into pride).

 

Mythal comes to Flemeth as a wisp, and think about things Solas says.  He constantly refers to the Quiz' spirit, all his friends are spirits, he talks about slipping across the Veil with a thought, he remembers a time when elves could change the world with a simple gesture (sounds like the "formless, ever-changing" world of spirits from the Chant of Light), and then Cole has some mysterious things to say about someone who might be Solas which make him sound quite spirit-y:

 

"Old pain, shadows forgotten from dreams too real.  This side is slow and heavy, but here is what can change."  and "Wisdom knows enduring is pain.  He hurts for her, another of many he couldn't save.  He carries necessary deaths."

 

This brings me to Fen'harel/Solas' original purpose.  The attempt to become real could've threatened the ancient elf commoners (the whole world?), which is why Fen'harel sealed the 'nobles' away somehow (killed in uthenera possibly).  He thought he was creating a better future where the elves could thrive without the nobility, but when he awoke he discovered the future he created was worse than what existed before, that's why he is initially so upset with the Inquisitor after Mythal's temple when she says she wants to make things better.  In a banter with Sera he pushes her to replace the nobility with some new power structure but she says if you lop off the top something just as bad will take its place, this is when he finally agrees with her, maybe because he took out the slave-owning ancient elf nobles and they were replaced by Tevinter slave masters?  However, when he returned to the world he sought out the elves (in interactive banter at the beginning of the game he says he tried to teach the Dalish but they attacked him), so he could've thought that bringing back the ancient elf spirits was better than losing elven culture altogether.

 

So that said,

 

"He hurts, an old pain from before when everything sang the same.  You're real, and it means everyone could be real.  It changes everything, but it can't.  They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

Before this part Cole refers to the Inquisitor as 'her' and not 'you.'  If you encourage Cole to be real Solas says he never thought he'd witness that and he dodges a question from Cole about having seen it in the past.  I think after being disappointed by the modern elves and the world he helped create Solas decides to bring back the old ways by tearing down the Veil (he thinks that'd be a marvelous world), but finding out that Cole, a spirit, could become real and truly live and experience all that life has to offer throws a wrench in his plans.  (falling for the Quiz and learning that modern elves may be redeemable also does, but the process of spirits becoming real is a more pressing issue)  "...everyone could be real."  If the spirits he loves could achieve true life then he'd have to question everything he'd been striving for ("it changes everything, but it can't.")  Also the "sang the same" is terribly important but I could write forever on that subject >.<  And yes, Solas wanted to seal the Breach and strengthen the veil but I think that's because Corypheus' methods were going to destroy the entire world instead of integrating the two, and that'd be awful for everyone.

 

Now I'm not totally sure what Solas' goal is at the end and I'm tired of typing so I'll stop there

 

Oh goodness, 19 new replies.  My apologies if this post is now weirdly out of place, I can't keep up >.<

 

Edit: Lol I'm looking back at those replies and I think a lot of what I just said what already covered.  So... yeah... go ahead and ignore ^^^all that^^^ as I am quite late to the party.

 

*runs away to romance Solas again*

Modifié par Ispan, 14 décembre 2014 - 10:10 .

[Furea]

Hi guys! Sorry for all mistakes, english isn't my first language.

So I romanced Cullen (just great), IB (fun, but nothing more) and now I want to do last playthrough. Should I romance Solas? I like his voice and I think he is good for game, but I really don't like how he looks..like, how do you say it without being rude? Not my type of appearance?

The question: is his romance going to help understand him more as a character (which is almost 10/10, after Skyhold I was like ''damn Solas you are coming with me on every mission, I smell something fishy'') or is it just random kisses and 'lol bye' at the end. Like Cullen romance is cuteness and fluffy feels but you understand character pretty much the same even without romancing him. 

[InkQuest]

Can we all just take a moment and appreciate that the Wikipedia says that Fen'Harel spend a centuries in a far corner of the earth, hugging himself and apparently giggling madly in glee?

 

It might not be true but it is one amusing image whether you see it as happening in wolf-mode or elf-mode.

 

Knowing what we know now, someone probably mistook crying for laughter... 

[madrar]

It's not on the Wiki, but would his first name really be Wisdom? I thought the implication was that he was not wise before, leading to the mistakes he made.

 

I don't think any spirits (and by extension proto-elfy-ancient-elves) were created in their "dark" form.   Later events twist them.  Back when everything sang the same, I think we're universally talking about the 'good' side.  No conflict, no darkness.  Yet.  

 

Clearly, at some point Solas gets the idea in his head that only he - with all his Wisdom - can see the way the world should be.  This twists him to Pride, when he acts on it, though obviously he doesn't realize this until it is too late.

 

I think I remember him distinctly referencing Wisdom as the original state of a Pride demon.  The rest is all supposition and guesswork.

[Ispan]

I don't think any spirits (and by extension proto-elfy-ancient-elves) were created, and thus originally existed in their "dark" form.   Later events twist them.  Back when everything sang the same, I think we're universally talking about the 'good' side.  No conflict, no darkness.  Yet.  

 

Clearly, at some point Solas gets the idea in his head that only he - with all his Wisdom - can see the way the world should be.  This twists him to Pride, when he acts on it, though obviously he doesn't realize this until it is too late.

 

I think I remember him distinctly referencing Wisdom as the original state of a Pride demon.  The rest is all supposition and guesswork.

 

I'm out of likes but I definitely agree with this   Keep talking more about this stuff, I love it

[Nyctyris]

Sorry if this has been asked/postulated before (I'm almost certain it will have been).

 

Is it possible that Solas is who he said he is, somewhat?  

Spoiler

 

By which I mean - when he talks about being a young boy who left his village to dream in ruins - could this be the origin story of the "body" that he's in, if that makes sense? A young dalish elf who leaves his village, goes out to explore the Fade/ruins through dreams, gets taken over by Dread Wolf, similar to Justice/Anders or the bodies of the women that Flemmeth "ate"?

 

[Roxy]

Knowing what we know now, someone probably mistook crying for laughter... 

 

And obviously someone had to have made that up..yeah so how in the world would anybody know that Fen'harel laughed about it for centuries? tsk tsk *sigh* the dalish.....

[dragondreamer]

@Ispan

 

I think Cole is talking about Solas' feelings on Lavellan there.  Especially since Cole doesn't always become more human, but he always says that.

 

I don't know...  I wouldn't call him vehement.  It's not his domain, certainly, but he seems to stress pretty firmly that blood magic is no more inherently evil or good than any other domain.  Can you give me a better idea about the vibe you're picking up on in Dirthamen?  I'm not sure whether those were ancient Elves, and not post-Tevinter-era-heading-for-Dalish elves.  The Dalish, certainly, are pretty firmly anti-blood magic.

 

If turned out that elven immortality had a some blood magic connection - perhaps a connection to the blood of the Earth and the "song" - I wouldn't be entirely surprised.

 

As I said, Solas is neutral on blood magic, but he makes it clear later to Cole that he won't use it himself.  And in Dirthmen's temple, there's codexes about how badly the priests there took it when the Creators disappeared.  The high priest started using blood magic, and it was described by the priest who wrote the codex as "unholy".  It's "The Lost Temple of Dirthamen" codex.

[madrar]

I've been trying to catch up on things but it's really hard, so I apologize if all of this has been said before.  I don't think "you are real" in the Cole dialogue refers to the Inquisitor, I think he's talking about Cole.  (This also became terribly long and I'm going to spoiler it because it contains party banter, quest, and other spoilers)

 

Spoiler

None of this will make sense unless I start by saying that I think ancient elves could be spirits of some kind, either body-riding or manifesting temporarily in the physical world and retreating to the Fade in uthenera when they could no longer sustain themselves.  The spirits/First Children mimic life so I think after the creation of the Veil they entered the physical world as god-like beings/a sort of nobility, and possibly those the Dalish consider gods and the forgotten ones are ancient elf nobles/spirits who fought over something.  That something might've been an attempt to actually cross into the physical world and become real, which could've somehow began the Blight.  The Chant says the darkspawn find old gods and corrupt them, but maybe in crossing into the physical world the ancient elf spirits became corrupted (just as a spirit of Wisdom can be corrupted into pride).

 

Mythal comes to Flemeth as a wisp, and think about things Solas says.  He constantly refers to the Quiz' spirit, all his friends are spirits, he talks about slipping across the Veil with a thought, he remembers a time when elves could change the world with a simple gesture (sounds like the "formless, ever-changing" world of spirits from the Chant of Light), and then Cole has some mysterious things to say about someone who might be Solas which make him sound quite spirit-y:

 

"Old pain, shadows forgotten from dreams too real.  This side is slow and heavy, but here is what can change."  and "Wisdom knows enduring is pain.  He hurts for her, another of many he couldn't save.  He carries necessary deaths."

 

This brings me to Fen'harel/Solas' original purpose.  The attempt to become real could've threatened the ancient elf commoners (the whole world?), which is why Fen'harel sealed the 'nobles' away somehow (killed in uthenera possibly).  He thought he was creating a better future where the elves could thrive without the nobility, but when he awoke he discovered the future he created was worse than what existed before, that's why he is initially so upset with the Inquisitor after Mythal's temple when she says she wants to make things better.  In a banter with Sera he pushes her to replace the nobility with some new power structure but she says if you lop off the top something just as bad will take its place, this is when he finally agrees with her, maybe because he took out the slave-owning ancient elf nobles and they were replaced by Tevinter slave masters?  However, when he returned to the world he sought out the elves (in interactive banter at the beginning of the game he says he tried to teach the Dalish but they attacked him), so he could've thought that bringing back the ancient elf spirits was better than losing elven culture altogether.

 

So that said,

 

"He hurts, an old pain from before when everything sang the same.  You're real, and it means everyone could be real.  It changes everything, but it can't.  They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

Before this part Cole refers to the Inquisitor as 'her' and not 'you.'  If you encourage Cole to be real Solas says he never thought he'd witness that and he dodges a question from Cole about having seen it in the past.  I think after being disappointed by the modern elves and the world he helped create Solas decides to bring back the old ways by tearing down the Veil (he thinks that'd be a marvelous world), but finding out that Cole, a spirit, could become real and truly live and experience all that life has to offer throws a wrench in his plans.  (falling for the Quiz and learning that modern elves may be redeemable also does, but the process of spirits becoming real is a more pressing issue)  "...everyone could be real."  If the spirits he loves could achieve true life then he'd have to question everything he'd been striving for ("it changes everything, but it can't.")  Also the "sang the same" is terribly important but I could write forever on that subject >.<  And yes, Solas wanted to seal the Breach and strengthen the veil but I think that's because Corypheus' methods were going to destroy the entire world instead of integrating the two, and that'd be awful for everyone.

 

Now I'm not totally sure what Solas' goal is at the end and I'm tired of typing so I'll stop there

 

Oh goodness, 19 new replies.  My apologies if this post is now weirdly out of place, I can't keep up >.<

 

Edit: Lol I'm looking back at those replies and I think a lot of what I just said what already covered.  So... yeah... go ahead and ignore ^^^all that^^^ as I am quite late to the party.

 

*runs away to romance Solas again*

 

Shiiiite.  SHIIIIIITE.   Isil, you just blew my mind.  

 

It really does seem to be a plausible alternative explanation- that he's talking about Cole, and that his breakthrough is actually not that the Inquisitor has given him hope for this side of the Fade, but that Cole has given him hope for current spirit residents of THAT side to exist over here.  

 

I don't think I'm on board, but man- that's interesting. *clutches head*   I have to think about this.

[zambixi]

I don't think any spirits (and by extension proto-elfy-ancient-elves) were created in their "dark" form.   Later events twist them.  Back when everything sang the same, I think we're universally talking about the 'good' side.  No conflict, no darkness.  Yet.  

 

Clearly, at some point Solas gets the idea in his head that only he - with all his Wisdom - can see the way the world should be.  This twists him to Pride, when he acts on it, though obviously he doesn't realize this until it is too late.

 

I think I remember him distinctly referencing Wisdom as the original state of a Pride demon.  The rest is all supposition and guesswork.

 

Doesn't Solas say in Nightmare-land that Fear is one of the oldest spirits, second only to Desire? I also got the impression that Solas didn't necessarily view demons as universally bad..? Maybe that's just me. Sometimes it's good to be afraid, or to want something, or to have grief. Just not all the time in such a way that it overwhelms everything else.

[dragondreamer]

Sorry if this has been asked/postulated before (I'm almost certain it will have been).

 

Is it possible that Solas is who he said he is, somewhat?  

Spoiler

 

By which I mean - when he talks about being a young boy who left his village to dream in ruins - could this be the origin story of the "body" that he's in, if that makes sense? A young dalish elf who leaves his village, goes out to explore the Fade/ruins through dreams, gets taken over by Dread Wolf, similar to Justice/Anders or the bodies of the women that Flemmeth "ate"?

 

 

I think he may have been that boy from that village, but I don't think he's been possessed by anything.  If Fen'Harel exists as a spirit aspect of himself, I think it's something that was always a part of him.  Mythal's spirit was separate because she was physically killed, but then merged with Flemeth.  It's possible that's happened to Solas, but I don't think so necessarily.

[Ispan]

Sorry if this has been asked/postulated before (I'm almost certain it will have been).

 

Is it possible that Solas is who he said he is, somewhat?  

Spoiler

 

By which I mean - when he talks about being a young boy who left his village to dream in ruins - could this be the origin story of the "body" that he's in, if that makes sense? A young dalish elf who leaves his village, goes out to explore the Fade/ruins through dreams, gets taken over by Dread Wolf, similar to Justice/Anders or the bodies of the women that Flemmeth "ate"?

 

 

The body-riding theory I agreed with for a while was, well, full of TME spoilers so I'll tag it.

 

TME spoilers under the cut:

Spoiler

Briala's description of Felassan: "he didn't bother to put on boots, and he wore clothes that would better suit a woodsman than a living myth."  At the end of the book Felassan tells his mysterious master, Fen'harel, that he won't take the eluvians from Briala and the elves are "strong than you think," then Fen'harel kills him.  I thought that his Fade-death could've made him Tranquil at which point Fen'harel might slip into his body (he has a handy vallaslin-removing spell), but then I remembered Felassan's eyes and Solas' are different and Briala didn't recognize Solas.  So, that doesn't work

 

@Dragondreamer yeah it was kind of nutso but fun to think about and I desperately want it to be about my Inquisitor   I miss that stupid bald elf

 

The spirit-elfy stuff still makes sense to me without that though

 

Edit: I also used to be deathly afraid of sharing my own ideas and theories because I was afraid of looking stupid, but I seem to finally be getting over that.  So even if they're totally baseless and wrong at least I've got that going for me

Modifié par Ispan, 14 décembre 2014 - 10:34 .

[Birdy]

Sorry if this has been asked/postulated before (I'm almost certain it will have been).

 

Is it possible that Solas is who he said he is, somewhat?  

Spoiler

 

By which I mean - when he talks about being a young boy who left his village to dream in ruins - could this be the origin story of the "body" that he's in, if that makes sense? A young dalish elf who leaves his village, goes out to explore the Fade/ruins through dreams, gets taken over by Dread Wolf, similar to Justice/Anders or the bodies of the women that Flemmeth "ate"?

 

I thought everything he said about himself was the truth, just "in the fade" lies.  But I think he's also original, in still have the same body/spirit.

[madrar]

New crackpot theory.

 

What we know as "abominations" are the original, natural state of being.  

 

Dividing the world into reality and fade ripped elves in half: mortal and spirit, thus only when they're recombined is immortality restored.  

 

Wheeeee.  Time to work.   I have to stop thinking about this.   

[zambixi]

I've been trying to catch up on things but it's really hard, so I apologize if all of this has been said before.  I don't think "you are real" in the Cole dialogue refers to the Inquisitor, I think he's talking about Cole.  (This also became terribly long and I'm going to spoiler it because it contains party banter, quest, and other spoilers)

 

Spoiler

/snip/

So that said,

 

"He hurts, an old pain from before when everything sang the same.  You're real, and it means everyone could be real.  It changes everything, but it can't.  They sleep, masked in a mirror, hiding, hurting, and to wake them..."

 

Before this part Cole refers to the Inquisitor as 'her' and not 'you.'  If you encourage Cole to be real Solas says he never thought he'd witness that and he dodges a question from Cole about having seen it in the past.  I think after being disappointed by the modern elves and the world he helped create Solas decides to bring back the old ways by tearing down the Veil (he thinks that'd be a marvelous world), but finding out that Cole, a spirit, could become real and truly live and experience all that life has to offer throws a wrench in his plans.  (falling for the Quiz and learning that modern elves may be redeemable also does, but the process of spirits becoming real is a more pressing issue)  "...everyone could be real."  If the spirits he loves could achieve true life then he'd have to question everything he'd been striving for ("it changes everything, but it can't.")  Also the "sang the same" is terribly important but I could write forever on that subject >.<  And yes, Solas wanted to seal the Breach and strengthen the veil but I think that's because Corypheus' methods were going to destroy the entire world instead of integrating the two, and that'd be awful for everyone.

 

Now I'm not totally sure what Solas' goal is at the end and I'm tired of typing so I'll stop there

 

/snip/

 

Re: Cole banter

 

I think the change from "her" to "you" is because Cole goes from talking only to Solas to responding to the Inquisitor. Video for reference:

 

Spoiler

 

Before the Inquisitor interjects, Cole uses "you" to refer to Solas in "but then you turned away". Quizzie joins the conversation with "perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did," and it seems like from then on Cole is addressing Quizzie and no longer talking about her in the third-person. I do think Cole factors into Solas' feelings, but not this particular banter.

[Ajna]

New crackpot theory.

 

What we know as "abominations" are the original, natural state of being.  

 

Dividing the world into reality and fade ripped elves (and humans) in half: mortal and spirit, thus only when they're recombined is immortality restored.  

 

Wheeeee.  Time to work.   I have to stop thinking about this.   

[Birdy]

New crackpot theory.

 

What we know as "abominations" are the original, natural state of being.  

 

Dividing the world into reality and fade ripped elves (and humans) in half: mortal and spirit, thus only when they're recombined is immortality restored.  

 

Wheeeee.  Time to work.   I have to stop thinking about this.   

Maybe, but that doesn't explain how there's still ancient immortal elves, or why Mythal has to keep jumping bodies to "live"
But it could work if it's just that those born after don't have it apart of themselves, but the ancients do.

 

Solas says something about it not being magic but apart of their being.

[Ispan]

Re: Cole banter

 

I think the change from "her" to "you" is because Cole goes from talking only to Solas to responding to the Inquisitor. Video for reference:

 

Spoiler

 

Before the Inquisitor interjects, Cole uses "you" to refer to Solas in "but then you turned away". Quizzie joins the conversation with "perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did," and it seems like from then on Cole is addressing Quizzie and no longer talking about her in the third-person. I do think Cole factors into Solas' feelings, but not this particular banter.

 

I held onto the hope that I might get to talk to Solas again riiiight up to the moment when the epilogue slides rolled, so... I like this a lot more   Anything that feels more romantic works for me!

 

 

Maybe, but that doesn't explain how there's still ancient immortal elves, or why Mythal has to keep jumping bodies to "live"
But it could work if it's just that those born after don't have it apart of themselves, but the ancients do.

 

Solas says something about it not being magic but apart of their being.

 

Yeah he says the subtlety of their magic was a result of their immortal nature, not the cause of it.

Modifié par Ispan, 14 décembre 2014 - 10:39 .

[Lulumi_Lumi]

On the topic of body-posessing, I'm actually a bit scared that it was indeed Solas spirit and body that Flemeth took instead of the other way around mostly because

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We know that Flemeth is searching for a new body. She was close to taking Kieran so why would she not take Solas body given the opportunity? I also just realized that the ending Solas is not just two but three old god souls combined (Urthemiel, Mythal and Fen'harel) which is pretty scary.