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[madrar]

Doesn't Solas say in Nightmare-land that Fear is one of the oldest spirits, second only to Desire? I also got the impression that Solas didn't necessarily view demons as universally bad..? Maybe that's just me. Sometimes it's good to be afraid, or to want something, or to have grief. Just not all the time in such a way that it overwhelms everything else.

 

If you're willing to buy into the theory that "spirits-as-we-know-them were created when the veil went up and elves were ripped in half" theory - which I'm not sold on, honestly - then then it's still plausible.  That would have been the beginning of the corruption, the rebellious song.  Not surprising that the spirits were dark at that point, as they would be reflecting new, mortal aspects: desire, fear, hunger, etc.

[Sine_Amore]

@Ispan

 

I think Cole is talking about Solas' feelings on Lavellan there.  Especially since Cole doesn't always become more human, but he always says that.

I don't think it matters whether or not you make Cole more human. The fact still stands that he was able to come over from the Veil and retain a body without possessing anyone or becoming corrupted. It could still work.

[Birdy]

On the topic of body-posessing, I'm actually a bit scared that it was indeed Solas spirit and body that Flemeth took instead of the other way around mostly because

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We know that Flemeth is searching for a new body. She was close to taking Kieran so why would she not take Solas body given the opportunity? I also just realized that the ending Solas is not just two but three old god souls combined (Urthemiel, Mythal and Fen'harel) which is pretty scary.

About three souls. The beginning, it looks like she sent a soul or soul fragment through the mirror before Solas comes along.  Wish I had the photos, but in the video Solas gets this determined sinister look and the next is Flemeth with a look of pain.  Plus the whole "I should be punished but the People need me." I'm firmly of, Solas stole her powers because he lost his to Cory/Quizzy.

[zambixi]

If you're willing to buy into the theory that "spirits-as-we-know-them were created when the veil went up and elves were ripped in half" theory - which I'm not sold on, honestly - then then it's still plausible.  That would have been the beginning of the corruption, the rebellious song.  Not surprising that the spirits were dark at that point, as they would be reflecting new, mortal aspects: desire, fear, hunger, etc.

 

I'm not entirely following....Why wouldn't Fear and Desire exist before the Veil? Solas made it sound like they were still around just different?

 

I was thinking more along the lines of evolution. When the elves are running around without fire or sewing, they're motivated by fear of things that could kill them and the desire to eat and exist/procreate. Not exactly that because we don't know how The Beginning started, but I don't think it was just BAM CIVILIZATION. Or maybe it was. *shrug*

[Sine_Amore]

On the topic of body-posessing, I'm actually a bit scared that it was indeed Solas spirit and body that Flemeth took instead of the other way around mostly because

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We know that Flemeth is searching for a new body. She was close to taking Kieran so why would she not take Solas body given the opportunity? I also just realized that the ending Solas is not just two but three old god souls combined (Urthemiel, Mythal and Fen'harel) which is pretty scary.

Honestly,

 

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I'm not convinced Flemythal was after Kieran's body or Morrigan's for that matter. I think she was simply after the Old God Spirit, which he gave willingly. I feel like Flemythal just enjoys letting Morrigan think she wants to take over her body because... well, it's Flemeth. "You can't force a spirit on the unwilling."

 

I also think that she had already moved Urthemiel's spirit across the Eluvian?/blue magic barrier wall before Fen'Harel showed up. You do see something almost identical pass through the wall.

 

Plus, you hear Fen'Harel's lines just before the scene. He can't go yet. The People still need him. I don't think he was willing.

[madrar]

Maybe, but that doesn't explain how there's still ancient immortal elves, or why Mythal has to keep jumping bodies to "live"
But it could work if it's just that those born after don't have it apart of themselves, but the ancients do.

 

Solas says something about it not being magic but apart of their being.

 

Flemythal is definitely a decent counter-argument, though it's worth pointing out that she had the unfortunate luck to claw her way back into a human host. The human race, of course, was never immortal, and could have been created (more crackpot theory) lacking some inherent mojo that makes it possible.

[dragondreamer]

I don't think it matters whether or not you make Cole more human. The fact still stands that he was able to come over from the Veil and retain a body without possessing anyone or becoming corrupted. It could still work.

 

I still don't think it was referring to Cole.  It doesn't really fit the context.

[Birdy]

Flemythal is definitely a decent counter-argument, though it's worth pointing out that she had the unfortunate luck to claw her way back into a human host. The human race, of course, was never immortal, and could have been created (more crackpot theory) lacking some inherent mojo that makes it possible.

I thought we were talking that a Spirit/(human/elf) would be the cause of immortality.  Which having her being combined and still having to body jump kinda downs that theory in my mind.  XD  Lol. Did I lose it somewhere?

[Sine_Amore]

I still don't think it was referring to Cole.  It doesn't really fit the context.

Neither do I. I was just pointing out that Cole had already done something miraculous; he didn't need to be made more human or spirit-like to be relevant in the conversation.

 

I like to play Devil's Advocate every now and then. (:

[Clockwork_Wings]

Honestly,

 

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I'm not convinced Flemythal was after Kieran's body or Morrigan's for that matter. I think she was simply after the Old God Spirit, which he gave willingly. I feel like Flemythal just enjoys letting Morrigan think she wants to take over her body because... well, it's Flemeth. "You can't force a spirit on the unwilling."

 

I also think that she had already moved Urthemiel's spirit across the Eluvian?/blue magic barrier wall before Fen'Harel showed up. You do see something almost identical pass through the wall.

 

Plus, you hear Fen'Harel's lines just before the scene. He can't go yet. The People still need him. I don't think he was willing.

I have my own theory.

 

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Flemeth passes on the total of her knowledge and desires on.  That's why Yavana in the comics calls Morrigan a "foolish child" and what Flemeth offers is a "gift."  Had Flemeth done this, Morrigan would have had all of her mother's memories, and also a desire to avenge Mythal.  Similarly, Solas now knows what Flemeth knew, and has taken on her goals as well as her own.

 

Flemeth's body was beginning to reach the end of its life, so she was looking for a new host to pass on her knowledge.  Since Morrigan wouldn't take it, Kieran was too young, Yavana was murdered by Alistair, she gave it to Solas to hold on to.

 

Question is, can the be seperated?

[Ispan]

I thought we were talking that a Spirit/(human/elf) would be the cause of immortality.  Which having her being combined and still having to body jump kinda downs that theory in my mind.  XD  Lol. Did I lose it somewhere?

 

My friend pointed out that Rivaini seers willingly accept possession by spirits to help them guide their villages, so it's plausible that a magically-advanced ancient elven society had done the same.  So the spirits were immortal before the Veil and continued their 'immortality' in the physical world by being accepted into new willing hosts when their bodies expired.

[Birdy]

 

http://leafpuppy.tumblr.com/

[Dave of Canada]

On the topic of body-posessing, I'm actually a bit scared that it was indeed Solas spirit and body that Flemeth took instead of the other way around mostly because

Spoiler

We know that Flemeth is searching for a new body. She was close to taking Kieran so why would she not take Solas body given the opportunity? I also just realized that the ending Solas is not just two but three old god souls combined (Urthemiel, Mythal and Fen'harel) which is pretty scary.

Solas talks about how he should be the one who pays the price and apologizes to Flemeth, Flemeth apologizes to him and collapses. There's a lot of ways to interpret the scene but I'm 90% sure that Solas mentioning the price means that Flemeth is the one who collapses and pays for it instead.

[LapCat]

Re: Cole banter

 

I think the change from "her" to "you" is because Cole goes from talking only to Solas to responding to the Inquisitor. Video for reference:

 

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Before the Inquisitor interjects, Cole uses "you" to refer to Solas in "but then you turned away". Quizzie joins the conversation with "perhaps Cole can get a better answer from you than I did," and it seems like from then on Cole is addressing Quizzie and no longer talking about her in the third-person. I do think Cole factors into Solas' feelings, but not this particular banter.

 

That is an interesting piece of banter. I'm trying to wrap my head around what the idea of "real" means. I guess what you can determine is that people lived in a certain state before the gods/spirits/whatever were sealed away and he is going to put it back. Perhaps its not that the gods need to rule, but that they took something with them when they left.Seems like something big is in the making.

[Birdy]

My friend pointed out that Rivaini seers willingly accept possession by spirits to help them guide their villages, so it's plausible that a magically-advanced ancient elven society had done the same.  So the spirits were immortal before the Veil and continued their 'immortality' in the physical world by being accepted into new willing hosts when their bodies expired.

They're still immortal, or at least very very long live.  Even the spirit friend of Solas' dies and is being reborn later.  But there's the Old Ones? I dont' think that's the name, but they're very old original spirit/demons that you apparently encounter sometimes.  Which all highly suggest that they are still immortal. The Veil didn't change that. It would change elves sure because that's an outside influence. But that wouldn't change spirits/demons.

[Ispan]

They're still immortal, or at least very very long live.  Geez, even the spirit friend of Solas' dies and is being reborn later.  But there's the Old Ones? I dont' think that's the name, but they're very old original spirit/demons that you apparently encounter sometimes.  Which all highly suggest that they are still immortal. The Veil didn't change that. It would change elves sure because that's an outside influence. But that wouldn't change spirits/demons.

 

I mean that the physical embodiments of the gods would seem immortal by possessing multiple hosts, not the spirits themselves.  The spirits themselves are immortal but they might need a different way to appear immortal to the residents of the unchanging and immutable world of men.  It was just poorly said, sorry

 

Edit: My head is starting to hurt from coming up with crack-brained theories, haha >.<

[Sine_Amore]

Also, I just finished watching "Exodus: Gods and Kings" with the hubby and friends and I have a line I would like to share. It went something like:

 

"Loving all I know about you. Trusting all I do not yet know."

 

Just made me think that this is how my Lavellan would feel for Solas.

[Birdy]

I mean that the physical embodiments of the gods would seem immortal by possessing multiple hosts, not the spirits themselves.  The spirits themselves are immortal but they would need new means to appear immortal to the residents of the unchanging and immutable world of men.  It was just poorly said, sorry

Lol. You've lost me. It's alright.  Here take some Solas

 

http://artemorte.tum...he-sun-i-really

 

 

And follow up question, you're saying that Solas is a spirit?

[Sine_Amore]

Birdy knows how to get all the likes from me. Just post Solas and/or Cole pics. n.n;

[Tsunami Chef]

Has the voice actor for Solas ever done an interview about his role in the game? I tried to find one but I couldn't. Thanks!

[Liec]

A question about the ending:

 

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We know that Solas gave Corypheus the Orb, but did this happen after he escaped from the Warden prison, or back when he first entered the Golden City?

[InkQuest]

Has the voice actor for Solas ever done an interview about his role in the game? I tried to find one but I couldn't. Thanks!

 

Nothing official, unfortunately. There's a link to a short video from him in the OP, though.

[Ispan]

Lol. You've lost me. It's alright.  Here take some Solas

*snip*

 

http://artemorte.tum...he-sun-i-really

 

 

And follow up question, you're saying that Solas is a spirit?

 

I kind of lost myself, honestly Solas, or some part of him, could be a spirit in my mind.  There were some signs and changes he went through in the game that I thought fit the idea but I start to confuse myself when I think about it too much so it might be time for me to just ogle some fan art

[Birdy]

Birdy knows how to get all the likes from me. Just post Solas and/or Cole pics. n.n;

Give them ALL to me!!

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http://kelgrid.devia...-hair-467370928

[dragondreamer]

That is an interesting piece of banter. I'm trying to wrap my head around what the idea of "real" means. I guess what you can determine is that people lived in a certain state before the gods/spirits/whatever were sealed away and he is going to put it back. Perhaps its not that the gods need to rule, but that they took something with them when they left.Seems like something big is in the making.

 

I get the feeling it's more or less short for "real elvhen".  Considering the ancient elves and Solas don't seem to consider modern elves as true elves.  Hence all of Solas' "my people" confliction.  I think he sees Lavellan as an exception, making her "real" elvhen, and that makes him doubt himself.  If she's real, then all the other elves he's written off as lost causes could be real as well.  It could change everything, because maybe that means he doesn't have to go through with whatever he's planning.  But he isn't willing to back out of his plans.