Maybe they are angry at him so they don't want to even depict him in his elven form.
I thought maybe that as well, but the mosaics in the Temple of Mythal are almost certainly from before when he was demonized.
For some reason it makes me think of Mythal's association with dragons? The temple has many dragon-y statues and motifs, yet she isn't ever depicted as such to the modern Dalish. Fen'Harel is only ever a wolf, even in ancient depictions. It makes me feel like we're missing a few key pieces to the puzzle, but we have enough to go "huh"
6:30 Steel: The Qunari come to Thedas from across the Northern Ocean and land in Par Vollen. They conquer it quickly, though word of that does not reach the continent.[13]
That's why I believe that the humans and Qunari came from the north. Maybe something happen in their original homeland like "Winter is coming." Perhaps the blight originated in the North and people were fleeing from it. The elven gods got corrupted as a result so Solas sealed them away. But Solas was not able to completely seal off the blight so we still have them once every hundred years or so.
You're right! I don't know why I keep thinking someone came across the Amaranthine Ocean...I don't know why.
The theory my husband's floating on this is that they're the equivalent of the Puritains leaving Europe- religious fanatics no longer welcome in their homeland.
While we're on the subject of random things that don't sit quite right, though, does anyone have an explanation as to why Fen'Harel is the only god in the pantheon who's not depicted as an elf in the ToM murals? I have an itchy feeling like it's a dropped hint, but can't put my finger on exactly why. Assuming he could shapeshift like Mythal doesn't quite cover it- there's no hint of dragon in her mosaic.
It just seems a bit odd that, instead of depicting him as an elf with wolfy elements like the rest, they go full wolf. It masks his entire not-Dread-Wolf identity, his entire domain that should have been hinted at there.
*baffled shrug*
Maybe they are angry at him so they don't want to even depict him in his elven form.
The depictions of him start before he would have been cast out. Unless they were always angry at him (but then why would he be in the Temple of Mythal at all). It's weird because some of the stories we know of Fen'Harel definitely correspond to a wolf avatar (the courser), one seems likely to be wolf but not definitely (Fen'harel and the tree where he "chews" through the ropes), one seems probably human (the slow arrow - how does a wolf hold a bow?), and one could be anything (the noble).
Flemeth clearly recognizes him, though whether that is because of his physical form or because she has metaphysical soul-sensing powers...I think it might be the latter since Abelas doesn't seem to know who Solas is until later in the Temple of Mythal bit.
Found this lovely story while I was on Fen'Harel's wiki page. Bet Solas would love this (from TME):
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Dalish elves sometimes practice a savage game with human prisoners called "Fen'Harel's Teeth," wherein a prisoner's clothes are taken and their hands lashed together. The prisoner is given hard leather leggings with small nails driven into them to cause pain, and given a hundred-count head start before the clan gives chase
Maybe they are angry at him so they don't want to even depict him in his elven form.
I'd let it slide on that, I suppose. Still, we're stuck either assuming the mural was crafted pre-fall (in which case, why are they upset?) or post-fall (in which case, why is he still included?)
Could be as simple as Bioware not wanting to give away details about his original domain in the pantheon just yet. =w= Janky way to do it, though.
I never got the impression that the old gods were exactly evil. If they were then I do not think Flemythal would have wanted to have the dark ritual preformed and have them reborn. I also think that they could possibly be her true children and that Flemythal is also the Dragon Queen.
Werewolves are common in Fereldan folklore. Perhaps he's a werewolf?
About the qunari: I find it interesting that the lore I was reading here and there about the internet suggested that the qunari rid themselves of any that wouldn't convert. The notion that the originals are still hanging around was kind of surprising, especially since it had been shot down in a discussion I was part of concerning the qunari origin once we heard that they were playable.
They lost contact with the "original" people in the Storm age, I think...? So they exist, but outside of Qunari influence. I think in one of the Iron Bull dialogs he implies that the Kossith aren't really similar to the modern Qunari. Whatever that means.
Soo .. no one got the feels for the 2 wolves carrying Thedas on their back and living on Skyhold ?
So I'm blind and don't see the wolves...?
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I'd let it slide on that, I suppose. Still, we're stuck either assuming the mural was crafted pre-fall (in which case, why are they upset?) or post-fall (in which case, why is he still included?)
Could be as simple as Bioware not wanting to give away details about his original domain in the pantheon just yet. =w= Janky way to do it, though.
LOL imagine if they depict his elven form.
Lavellan: *Looks at mosaic depicting Fen'Harel* *Looks at Solas* Hey Solas, that looks like y--
Solas: We need to get to the Well of Sorrows. Hurry!
Soo .. no one got the feels for the 2 wolves carrying Thedas on their back and living on Skyhold ?
Ditto on the not seeing wolves part.
If this were exclusive to lady Lavellans I'd have more feels over it, but my big beefy qunari dude also has this artwork in his bedroom for some reason. Heh.
If this were exclusive to lady Lavellans I'd have more feels over it, but my big beefy qunari dude also has this artwork in his bedroom for some reason. Heh.
Agreed- would definitely have more impact if it appeared after the Halamshiral ball or something.
God, the paintbrush-tease kinkfics that would spawn, though. =w= Probably for the best it stays as is.
Imagine the Black City is a cage. I'm not going to speculate what is in there. There are many possibilities. So the caged things are trying to get out, but they can't. So they make a tiny hole and spread their influence through it. Now they manage to get a hold of and possess the magisters, Corypenis and his bros. They trick them into coming to their cage by telling them it's Golden and beautiful. When the Magisters get there they can't get into the cage, but they manage to widen the holes and are then cast out to spread the influence of the caged ones.
Just a quick question, because my Thedas timeline is so hazy... was the City seen as being Golden before Coryphy-fish and friends busted into the Fade?
The Chantry (and the Maker) became a big deal after Andraste's rebellion, yes? The rebellion that was made possible after Tevinter was weakened by the First Blight? Ie: *After* Coryphy-fish has already been into the Fade? Or was the Maker worshipped in small circles or something earlier than that?
From the wiki:
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Corypheus (in Legacy): "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?"
Corypheus: "Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty!"
Implies the city WAS called the Golden City even before the worship of the Maker, and the Tevinters believed the Old Gods resided there. Interesting that the Andrastians just decided to substitute the Maker in there.
Lavellan: *Looks at mosaic depicting Fen'Harel* *Looks at Solas* Hey Solas, that looks like y--
Solas: We need to get to the Well of Sorrows. Hurry!
They all kind of look like Solas...since they're all bald. His vest even looks a little like June's:
Since we're talking about the pantheon, does anyone know how Sylaise should be pronounced? Sil-ace-ay (I have no idea how to write phonetically), See-lay-say? Seal-ace?
I don't want to be the bringer of bad news, but if I recall correctly that was grouped with Ferelden art.
Yeah, I personally sincerely doubted that mural was done by Solas. Probably done by whoever decorated the Inquisitor's quarters. I'm one of the people who sees flourishes, not wolves.
I can't remember if "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" came from Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age, but I'm pretty sure that's what the barn mural depicts. So obviously Solas isn't the only artist at Skyhold. I think I even remember overhearing someone complaining about his elven style fresco in the rotunda. Or maybe that was a codex I brought up? It was sooooo long ago when I saw that...
Since we're talking about the pantheon, does anyone know how Sylaise should be pronounced? Sil-ace-ay (I have no idea how to write phonetically), See-lay-say? Seal-ace?
I've always pronounced it Syl-ayss or Syl-ayze, but I have no idea if that's accurate.
Since we're talking about the pantheon, does anyone know how Sylaise should be pronounced? Sil-ace-ay (I have no idea how to write phonetically), See-lay-say? Seal-ace?
Yeah, I personally sincerely doubted that mural was done by Solas. Probably done by whoever decorated the Inquisitor's quarters. I'm one of the people who sees flourishes, not wolves.
I can't remember if "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" came from Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age, but I'm pretty sure that's what the barn mural depicts. So obviously Solas isn't the only artist at Skyhold. I think I even remember overhearing someone complaining about his elven style fresco in the rotunda. Or maybe that was a codex I brought up? It was sooooo long ago when I saw that...
There's a codex on it, but it's one of admiration more than complaint. Someone here has a screen of the actual entry because I've seen it in the thread before...
Just a quick question, because my Thedas timeline is so hazy... was the City seen as being Golden before Coryphy-fish and friends busted into the Fade?
The Chantry (and the Maker) became a big deal after Andraste's rebellion, yes? The rebellion that was made possible after Tevinter was weakened by the First Blight? Ie: *After* Coryphy-fish has already been into the Fade? Or was the Maker worshipped in small circles or something earlier than that?
From the wiki:
Spoiler
Corypheus (in Legacy): "The light. We sought the golden light. You offered... the power of the gods themselves. But it was... black... corrupt. Darkness... ever since. How long?"
Corypheus: "Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty!"
Implies the city WAS called the Golden City even before the worship of the Maker, and the Tevinters believed the Old Gods resided there. Interesting that the Andrastians just decided to substitute the Maker in there.
I'm sure elves referred to it as the "Golden City" in the same way New Yorkers refer to the "Big Apple". As in, not a literal big apple. Simply an evocative, complimentary way to refer to the capital of the elvish empire, center of the known world.
The trapped gods there clearly had just enough awareness and power to infiltrate human dreams, luring the Tevinter magisters with promises of power and reward, with the (assumed) objective of being freed. Pretty classic bait and switch, since the city was corrupt and overrun with blight when they got there. Not about to go home empty-handed, Cory and co. turn the "darkness" to their will and head back toward the surface. Blight time.
Now, the fact that he's claimed several times now that it was "empty"- that hasn't really been explained. Obviously, there was no Maker sitting on a golden throne, but I would have expected.... I don't know. Several hundred elves in uthenera?
It's possible, being from the era at the height of the Imperium, he's not about to admit the promised city was filled with a race his kind considered subhuman. That's still a stretch, though, since he's pretty blunt about everything else. There's a lot to this that's still unexplained.
They all kind of look like Solas...since they're all bald. His vest even looks a little like June's:
Since we're talking about the pantheon, does anyone know how Sylaise should be pronounced? Sil-ace-ay (I have no idea how to write phonetically), See-lay-say? Seal-ace?
Wait, I don't know if it's that my memory is failing me, but I don't remember seeing these. i remember that the ones from the temple are more bronze looking.
I don't think I'm quite seeing what you're seeing in there. You're talking about the ends of the red scroll beneath the mountains?
I got more of just a random medieval illumination flourish thing from that, but your mileage may vary. I do love the inference that Solas took the time to carefully paint the Inquisitor's bedroom, though. ^w^ So thoughtful.
wow I must be delirious with Solas fever
I put the "wolf" here you can see the green arrows pointing to the legs and the orange to the tail. Seriously you guys don't see a 4 pawed animal with a fluffy tail carrying something that hides his head and some of his back ?
I put the "wolf" here you can see the green arrows pointing to the legs and the orange to the tail. Seriously you guys don't see a 4 pawed animal with a fluffy tail carrying something that hides his head and some of his back ?
*snip*
Lol. It must be the Solas Fever. There's so many things in the game depicting and hinting at the Dread Wolf.
Here. Have some more Solas, maybe it'll help. Probably not.
I put the "wolf" here you can see the green arrows pointing to the legs and the orange to the tail. Seriously you guys don't see a 4 pawed animal with a fluffy tail carrying something that hides his head and some of his back ?
I think it's a bit of a stretch. It's probably just a design pattern.
They all kind of look like Solas...since they're all bald. His vest even looks a little like June's:
-snippity-
Since we're talking about the pantheon, does anyone know how Sylaise should be pronounced? Sil-ace-ay (I have no idea how to write phonetically), See-lay-say? Seal-ace?
I believe it is pronounced Sil-eyes.
Yeah, I personally sincerely doubted that mural was done by Solas. Probably done by whoever decorated the Inquisitor's quarters. I'm one of the people who sees flourishes, not wolves.
I can't remember if "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" came from Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age, but I'm pretty sure that's what the barn mural depicts. So obviously Solas isn't the only artist at Skyhold. I think I even remember overhearing someone complaining about his elven style fresco in the rotunda. Or maybe that was a codex I brought up? It was sooooo long ago when I saw that...
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