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[Eivuwan]

Fen'Harel originally enjoyed his long locks, but too many women and goddesses were chasing after him. He eventually cut off his hair and dressed like a hobo in hopes that this would quiet their lust.

[madrar]

 

So random topic, thinking about the baldness. There's a lot of wonderful fan art depicting Solas with hair but...if all the murals show the old gods as bald then...does that mean they were bald? Plus most of the ancient elven art seems to depict everyone as also being bald. I mean I guess Mythal has hair now (or did before the post-credit scene)...but I guess I'm wondering if it's a natural thing or a grooming practice or a side-effect of being in uthenara (which seems less likely to me because all of the elves in the ancient depictions seem to be bald...). If the ancient elves were all bald, I sort of find it impressive that Solas doesn't say anything about potentially not-bald Lavellan.

 

Aside from hair being a bit tough to depict in mosaic form, I took the baldness as visual shorthand for their "more spirity than elfy" god status.  

 

...which yes, is blown up by the hair on Solas' friend in All New, Faded For Her, but I choose to stubbornly ignore that.   That's just to cover her ears, so we can't see that she has elfy pointy ones.  =w=  Right.  I'm sticking with it.

[Cheerios789]

Fen'Harel originally enjoyed his long locks, but too many women and goddesses were chasing after him. He eventually cut off his hair and dressed like a hobo in hope that this would quiet their lust.

 

It, uh, didn't work.  Perhaps next time he should try not being damnedly charming?

[Brass_Buckles]

Fen'Harel originally enjoyed his long locks, but too many women and goddesses were chasing after him. He eventually cut off his hair and dressed like a hobo in hopes that this would quiet their lust.

But one day, he reasoned, someone would come along who could appreciate him for who he was, instead of his luxurious hair and fine clothing.  And then... Nah, who was he kidding?  No one could possibly be that wise and unique and open-minded, right?  Not even in a thousand years.  Not even two thousand!

[vertigomez]

GINGER SOLAS IS LOVE. Ahem.

I took a look at this again to refresh my memory, and can't make up my mind about whether we're being lore-trolled.
 

 
The elements included in all the other murals are specific and deliberate.  They echo known myths, or fragments about that god's particular sphere of influence. The concentric spheres above the wolf's head don't use the wavy lines of the sun's rays in Elgar'nan's mosaic.   The moon, then, seems a viable guess.
 
I'm really resistant to opening this up to "werewolf" territory, though.  There's no history there other than a fairly modern (by ancient elven standards) curse, right?

Actually, it says... somewhere (WoT, I believe) that Zathrian's particular brand of lycanthropy was not the only kind out there. It's not too far-fetched...

[madrar]

Fen'Harel originally enjoyed his long locks, but too many women and goddesses were chasing after him. He eventually cut off his hair and dressed like a hobo in hopes that this would quiet their lust.

 

Well she tied you to her kitchen chair

She broke your throne and cut your hair

And from your lips she drew Hallelujah

 

Need to get that song out of my head.  ^w^

[Aviena]

I found someone who drew a ginger Solas and it is love:

 

source: http://falsesecurity...ke-on-it-mainly

 

Spoiler

 

 

So random topic, thinking about the baldness. There's a lot of wonderful fan art depicting Solas with hair but...if all the murals show the old gods as bald then...does that mean they were bald? Plus most of the ancient elven art seems to depict everyone as also being bald. I mean I guess Mythal has hair now (or did before the post-credit scene)...but I guess I'm wondering if it's a natural thing or a grooming practice or a side-effect of being in uthenara (which seems less likely to me because all of the elves in the ancient depictions seem to be bald...). If the ancient elves were all bald, I sort of find it impressive that Solas doesn't say anything about potentially not-bald Lavellan.

 

OHMYGOD that picture. 

 

A ridiculous number of pages backwards some of us posited that the baldness could be a) a ritual uthenera preparatory thing or perhaps a status symbol amongst ancient elves. I think there was another explanation suggested but I can't remember it.

[zambixi]

If that's so and he knew Mythal was still kicking around, that could be why Solas wasn't too eager to be with Lavellan. And yet, also if they had been together and he was willing to do what he did to Flemeth... well... that doesn't look too good for Lavellan's chances, let's just say.

 

I can't figure out Solas' feelings, based on either his dialog in the Temple or the post-credit scene. He doesn't sound cheery when he says "So Mythal endures..." But he also seems almost protective of her in a later conversation? This one, specifically:

Spoiler

 

 

Morrigan dismisses both the Old Gods and Mythal, but Mythal is the only one Solas protects, and he practically falls over himself to do so. And he rejects the idea of Mythal as a goddess of vengeance ("more Dalish tales I assume?"), despite the fact that we later get that account directly from a codex in the temple and then again from Flemythal herself. Meanwhile he has absolutely no problem talking poorly of the rest of the gods.

 

I can't really come up with a good theory for what happened, since I'm sort of conflicted on how he feels about the other gods. Could they have been the ones that killed Mythal? Or did their actions/inaction lead to her death in some way? Was she simply better than the rest and her murder was a tragedy separate from the pantheon? I feel like Solas would be a little more passionate, or passionate in a different way if he and Mythal had been lovers...more heartbroken/angry at her death and more happy at her return? Plus why would he have been so mad about Lavellan being a servant to Mythal if he loved the goddess? Wouldn't he trust her to do the "right thing?" Still...it could go either way. I really hope that they were not lovers, but close friends (because really, past lover AGAIN BW?). 

 

Mythal is also thought as Mother of other gods

 

Lavellan is fine if you call fine having Flemeth for mother in law

 

Don't forget all the great brothers/sisters/cousins. Andruil, goddess of sacrifice. Dirthamin and his pleasant pets. Family reunions would be great.

[Eivuwan]

Damn, i want to see fan-art of Fen'Harel in his younger days with red hair and elegant court robes.

[zambixi]

OHMYGOD that picture. 

 

A ridiculous number of pages backwards some of us posited that the baldness could be a) a ritual uthenera preparatory thing or perhaps a status symbol amongst ancient elves. I think there was another explanation suggested but I can't remember it.

 

Reunion scene by the waterfall:

 

SOLAS: Then what I must tell you...the truth...your hair...all of it...in my journeys in the fade I have seen things, I have discovered what having hair means.

LAVELLAN: Solas, I thought we'd been over that you didn't really see all these things "in the Fade" so --

SOLAS: No. Only slaves have hair. Or at least they did in the time of Arlathan

LAVELLAN: Creators, seriously Solas again?!

[Brass_Buckles]

I can't figure out Solas' feelings, based on either his dialog in the Temple or the post-credit scene. He doesn't sound cheery when he says "So Mythal endures..." But he also seems almost protective of her in a later conversation? This one, specifically:

Spoiler

 

 

Morrigan dismisses both the Old Gods and Mythal, but Mythal is the only one Solas protects, and he practically falls over himself to do so. And he rejects the idea of Mythal as a goddess of vengeance ("more Dalish tales I assume?"), despite the fact that we later get that account directly from a codex in the temple and then again from Flemythal herself. Meanwhile he has absolutely no problem talking poorly of the rest of the gods.

 

I can't really come up with a good theory for what happened, since I'm sort of conflicted on how he feels about the other gods. Could they have been the ones that killed Mythal? Or did their actions/inaction lead to her death in some way? Was she simply better than the rest and her murder was a tragedy separate from the pantheon? I feel like Solas would be a little more passionate, or passionate in a different way if he and Mythal had been lovers...more heartbroken/angry at her death and more happy at her return? Plus why would he have been so mad about Lavellan being a servant to Mythal if he loved the goddess? Wouldn't he trust her to do the "right thing?" Still...it could go either way. I really hope that they were not lovers, but close friends (because really, past lover AGAIN BW?). 

 

 

Don't forget all the great brothers/sisters/cousins. Andruil, goddess of sacrifice. Dirthamin and his pleasant pets. Family reunions would be great.

 

Considering how old Solas is, it'd be more surprising if he didn't have a past lover at all.  That said, making her someone who's still around and thus "tricking" us into being "the other woman" would be a downright dirty move.  So, I too hope that is not the case.I hope they were more friends, or mother/son, than lovers.

 

I just fear that they were in fact lovers, and if so, then no matter how Solas feels about Lavellan, Mythal will always be first in his heart.

[Renmiri1]

 

 

Don't forget all the great brothers/sisters/cousins. Andruil, goddess of sacrifice. Dirthamin and his pleasant pets. Family reunions would be great.

No wonder he locked them all up and threw away the key

[Eivuwan]

Reunion scene by the waterfall:

 

SOLAS: Then what I must tell you...the truth...your hair...all of it...in my journeys in the fade I have scene things, I have discovered what having hair means.

LAVELLAN: Solas, I thought we'd been over that you didn't really see all these things "in the Fade" so --

SOLAS: No. Only slaves have hair. Or at least they did in the time of Arlathan

LAVELLAN: Creators, seriously Solas?!

 

Solas: If you like, I have a spell that can make you permanently bald.

Lavellan: *walks away*

[Brass_Buckles]

Solas: If you like, I have a spell that can make you permanently bald.

Lavellan: *walks away*

 

If that scene involved hair instead of vallaslin, it would have been 10000000x less serious.

 

... And yet it would have greatly amused me.

[Renmiri1]

Considering how old Solas is, it'd be more surprising if he didn't have a past lover at all.  That said, making her someone who's still around and thus "tricking" us into being "the other woman" would be a downright dirty move.  So, I too hope that is not the case.I hope they were more friends, or mother/son, than lovers.

 

I just fear that they were in fact lovers, and if so, then no matter how Solas feels about Lavellan, Mythal will always be first in his heart.

 

Mythal doesn't act like someone waiting for a lover in any of the DA games. Solas doesn't act with her like she is a lover either. It is either mother/ son or Teacher / student, mentor / pupil or just very good friends. I don't see anything that would show they have been life partners. Is more like a business or strategic alliance with some friendship

[Aviena]

And he rejects the idea of Mythal as a goddess of vengeance ("more Dalish tales I assume?"), despite the fact that we later get that account directly from a codex in the temple and then again from Flemythal herself. Meanwhile he has absolutely no problem talking poorly of the rest of the gods.

 

Isn't the direct quote: "the oldest accounts say Mythal was both of these, and neither." I wouldn't say he rejects it, just suggests we take a more nuanced view than just "yeah, goddess of vengeance!".

[Eivuwan]

Considering how old Solas is, it'd be more surprising if he didn't have a past lover at all.  That said, making her someone who's still around and thus "tricking" us into being "the other woman" would be a downright dirty move.  So, I too hope that is not the case.I hope they were more friends, or mother/son, than lovers.

 

I just fear that they were in fact lovers, and if so, then no matter how Solas feels about Lavellan, Mythal will always be first in his heart.

 

Well, I don't think the writers would be that cruel. I think they would know how much that would upset the fans. Also, I don't sense romance between them.

[Renmiri1]

If that scene involved hair instead of vallaslin, it would have been 10000000x less serious.

 

... And yet it would have greatly amused me.

I think we can already change dialog text. If we can I shall make a youtube with "the hair of the slave"

[Eivuwan]

If that scene involved hair instead of vallaslin, it would have been 10000000x less serious.

 

... And yet it would have greatly amused me.

 

Would be funny if someone made a mod that did that omg haha

[Renmiri1]

I think we can already change dialog text. If we can I shall make a youtube with "the hair of the slave"

 

 

Would be funny if someone made a mod that did that omg haha

 

Great minds think alike!

[Brass_Buckles]

Would be funny if someone made a mod that did that omg haha

 

What would be even funnier is if Lavellan were already bald and it had involved hair removal.   What, then, a special plot flag to acknowledge you were already bald?

 

Solas> You are... unique.  Your noble spirit is reflected in the shiny dome of your head.

Lavellan> I know, isn't it cute that we match?

Solas> I would like to tell you the truth.  In ancient Arlathan, only the slaves had hair.

Lavellan> But I'm already bald.

Solas> I know.  You are as noble as you are wise.  It is in your blood.

[Birdy]

Woo. We're through and on the subject of gingers. . .

 

 

Maybe that's why he's the boogieman in the stories.

[zambixi]

Considering how old Solas is, it'd be more surprising if he didn't have a past lover at all.  That said, making her someone who's still around and thus "tricking" us into being "the other woman" would be a downright dirty move.  So, I too hope that is not the case.I hope they were more friends, or mother/son, than lovers.

 

I just fear that they were in fact lovers, and if so, then no matter how Solas feels about Lavellan, Mythal will always be first in his heart.

 

I think he definitely had lovers but maybe not Lovers, if that makes sense. He certainly knows how to flirt >.>  In my fantasy world I like to think all the other people were "casual dalliances" and Lavellan blows them out of the water.

 

 

If that scene involved hair instead of vallaslin, it would have been 10000000x less serious.

 

... And yet it would have greatly amused me.

 

Can you imagine Sera's reaction? Would be worth it.

 

 

Isn't the direct quote: "the oldest accounts say Mythal was both of these, and neither." I wouldn't say he rejects it, just suggests we take a more nuanced view than just "yeah, goddess of vengeance!".

 

But Morrigan is being relatively nuanced, compared to almost every non-Solas person in the game. She says many of the things that Solas says (that the gods weren't necessarily Gods), and admits that there are varying accounts of Mythal and that both of them could be correct. He just seems to me to be more apt to defending Mythal than he is for...almost anything else. Morrigan says a lot of other things in that conversation that Solas just ignores even though - once we know his identity - we know he knows that she is wrong. Perhaps he's just on edge because he's worried about his identity, or because he doesn't like Morrigan. I think at the very least he admires Mythal though.

 

So...now I wonder if he knows that Morrigan is her daughter, and what he would have to say about that.

[Ispan]

Considering how old Solas is, it'd be more surprising if he didn't have a past lover at all.  That said, making her someone who's still around and thus "tricking" us into being "the other woman" would be a downright dirty move.  So, I too hope that is not the case.I hope they were more friends, or mother/son, than lovers.

 

I just fear that they were in fact lovers, and if so, then no matter how Solas feels about Lavellan, Mythal will always be first in his heart.

 

I definitely sensed closeness between Flemythal and Solas but I saw it as kinship rather than romantic love.  They are two of the last of their people, I can't imagine that some sort of bond didn't form over the years and Solas is most afraid of dying alone so he'd be torn up knowing he had to sacrifice one of his people.

 

Edit: If I came from a long-dead civilization and knew another person had survived I'd cling to them, too.

[Brass_Buckles]

I think he definitely had lovers but maybe not Lovers, if that makes sense. He certainly knows how to flirt >.>  In my fantasy world I like to think all the other people were "casual dalliances" and Lavellan blows them out of the water.

 

 

 

Can you imagine Sera's reaction? Would be worth it.

 

 

 

But Morrigan is being relatively nuanced, compared to almost every non-Solas person in the game. She says many of the things that Solas says (that the gods weren't necessarily Gods), and admits that there are varying accounts of Mythal and that both of them could be correct. He just seems to me to be more apt to defending Mythal than he is for...almost anything else. Morrigan says a lot of other things in that conversation that Solas just ignores even though - once we know his identity - we know he knows that she is wrong. Perhaps he's just on edge because he's worried about his identity, or because he doesn't like Morrigan. I think at the very least he admires Mythal though.

 

So...now I wonder if he knows that Morrigan is her daughter, and what he would have to say about that.

 

I have a hard time imagining that Solas was never serious with anyone.  Granted, he says he was more hot-blooded in his youth, so it's possible.  As you say, he definitely knows how to flirt and be charming.  (Can't help but imagine him thinking:  Yeah, I've still got it.  You want this, don't you, Lavellan?)  We don't know when/how he "ascended" to be counted among the Creators, or what he was originally the "god" of.  It is entirely possible that if he were serious with someone, it was not one of the gods/goddesses of the elven pantheon, and that someone is long dead as a result (died in the wars between the Creators, or died to or was enslaved by the Tevinters, etc).

 

Sera's reaction to the bald thing?  ... I have no idea, but she has hair so I wonder if she'd shave her head because hair stood for slavery?  Given that this is Sera and she rejects all things elven, I'm thinking, nope.