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[Eomie]

Mythal doesn't act like someone waiting for a lover in any of the DA games. Solas doesn't act with her like she is a lover either. It is either mother/ son or Teacher / student, mentor / pupil or just very good friends. I don't see anything that would show they have been life partners. Is more like a business or strategic alliance with some friendship

 

I think the possibility is there for them to have been past lovers, but after rewatching the video again mother/son or teacher/student makes a lot of sense as well. But the connection has to be strong enough that their images are seen together in Mythal's Temple and at the sight of the mysterious eluvian that Flemythal is fiddling with in the epilogue. Son and mother would explain this as would lovers, but not teacher/student in my opinion.

[Aviena]

But Morrigan is being relatively nuanced, compared to almost every non-Solas person in the game. She says many of the things that Solas says (that the gods weren't necessarily Gods), and admits that there are varying accounts of Mythal and that both of them could be correct. He just seems to me to be more apt to defending Mythal than he is for...almost anything else. Morrigan says a lot of other things in that conversation that Solas just ignores even though - once we know his identity - we know he knows that she is wrong. Perhaps he's just on edge because he's worried about his identity, or because he doesn't like Morrigan. I think at the very least he admires Mythal though.

 

So...now I wonder if he knows that Morrigan is her daughter, and what he would have to say about that.

 

True. He's annoyed by Morrigan's "I'm know so much about elves" attitude in general, but I suppose the point at which she brings up Mythal's nature is the first time she's brought up a person Solas would have known, rather than a group or a thing or a custom. It's understandable that his reaction to that would be stronger, but I agree that he definitely has a lot of respect for Mythal. They are "old friends" after all.

 

I can't see them as lovers though.   Imagine if they were, though, and the parallels there could be to Flemeth's story about her lover and her husband. Gah.

[Eomie]

Aside from hair being a bit tough to depict in mosaic form, I took the baldness as visual shorthand for their "more spirity than elfy" god status.  

 

...which yes, is blown up by the hair on Solas' friend in All New, Faded For Her, but I choose to stubbornly ignore that.   That's just to cover her ears, so we can't see that she has elfy pointy ones.  =w=  Right.  I'm sticking with it.

I just want you to know...Mind Blown.

[Brass_Buckles]

True. He's annoyed by Morrigan's "I'm know so much about elves" attitude in general, but I suppose the point at which she brings up Mythal's nature is the first time she's brought up a person Solas would have known, rather than a group or a thing or a custom. It's understandable that his reaction to that would be stronger, but I agree that he definitely has a lot of respect for Mythal. They are "old friends" after all.

 

I can't see them as lovers though.   Imagine if they were, though, and the parallels there could be to Flemeth's story about her lover and her husband. Gah.

 

I recall he reacted pretty strongly to Morrigan's commentary on Fen'harel, too.  I remember quite a bit of tension between Solas and Morrigan, actually.  Morrigan was so sure she knew more than he did... and Solas had actually been there, so... he definitely knew more.  And arguing with an elf about elven lore/religion... seriously, Morrigan, that was just rude.

[madrar]

I can't figure out Solas' feelings, based on either his dialog in the Temple or the post-credit scene. He doesn't sound cheery when he says "So Mythal endures..." But he also seems almost protective of her in a later conversation? This one, specifically:

Spoiler

 

 

Morrigan dismisses both the Old Gods and Mythal, but Mythal is the only one Solas protects, and he practically falls over himself to do so. And he rejects the idea of Mythal as a goddess of vengeance ("more Dalish tales I assume?"), despite the fact that we later get that account directly from a codex in the temple and then again from Flemythal herself. Meanwhile he has absolutely no problem talking poorly of the rest of the gods.

 

I can't really come up with a good theory for what happened, since I'm sort of conflicted on how he feels about the other gods. Could they have been the ones that killed Mythal? Or did their actions/inaction lead to her death in some way? Was she simply better than the rest and her murder was a tragedy separate from the pantheon? I feel like Solas would be a little more passionate, or passionate in a different way if he and Mythal had been lovers...more heartbroken/angry at her death and more happy at her return? Plus why would he have been so mad about Lavellan being a servant to Mythal if he loved the goddess? Wouldn't he trust her to do the "right thing?" Still...it could go either way. I really hope that they were not lovers, but close friends (because really, past lover AGAIN BW?). 

 

If not lovers (an uncomfortable thought, but not impossible) then at the very least I believe Solas and Mythal were co-conspirators and allies at various points in time.

 

Assuming Solas' original impetus to overthrow the ancient status quo came from a desire to free elvish society from the iron grasp of the Pantheon, her protective nature and motherly relationship to the People may have led Mythal to come around to his way of thinking.  Consequently, this betrayal may have been what led the other gods (specifically Elgar'nan?) to murder her before the fall of Arlathan.  

 

Later, the Andrastean slave rebellion.  Again: allies working behind the scenes for the sake of the People.   The Andaste-Shartan evidence has been analyzed to death elsewhere, so I won't waste space here.

 

Also -and this is right out of nowhere- but her role as the "Mother" makes me wonder if she didn't have a direct hand in creating the elvish race as we know it.  After all, according to Dalish lore, everything had to be recreated from scratch after the sun burned the first creation to ash and Elgar'nan threw him down.  Extrapolating from the myth and assuming it's a reference to the recreation of the "real" world (vs fade), it seems plausible.  It would do a lot to explain why, in the final scene, he seems to expect that she both understands and -in theory- consents to what he's about to do, because the People need him.  

[Ispan]

I recall he reacted pretty strongly to Morrigan's commentary on Fen'harel, too.  I remember quite a bit of tension between Solas and Morrigan, actually.  Morrigan was so sure she knew more than he did... and Solas had actually been there, so... he definitely knew more.  And arguing with an elf about elven lore/religion... seriously, Morrigan, that was just rude.

 

When Solas and Morrigan bicker over the Fen'harel statue she ends up saying "Pray tell, what meaning does our elven 'expert' sense lurking behind this?"  When I saw that again after beating the game I couldn't stop laughing

[Eomie]

So in the conversation with Flemeth, Morrigan and baby reborn old god.....The inquisitor can ask if she will help, which she replies with When I get what I came for....So maybe if Mythal's soul did slip over to Solas that is her way of helping? To throwing that out there.

[HurricaneGinger]

Hey y'all, I forget, at what point does Solas call Lavellan graceful? I feel like it happened before but now I can't remember. 

[madrar]

Reunion scene by the waterfall:

 

SOLAS: Then what I must tell you...the truth...your hair...all of it...in my journeys in the fade I have scene things, I have discovered what having hair means.

LAVELLAN: Solas, I thought we'd been over that you didn't really see all these things "in the Fade" so --

SOLAS: No. Only slaves have hair. Or at least they did in the time of Arlathan

LAVELLAN: Creators, seriously Solas?!

Solas: If you like, I have a spell that can make you permanently bald.

Lavellan: *walks away*

 

I just spat soda everywhere.   

 

This is brilliant, and I'm all out of likes.

[Birdy]

Hey y'all, I forget, at what point does Solas call Lavellan graceful? I feel like it happened before but now I can't remember. 

Isnt' that the rogue version of the dominant comment.

[Eomie]

If not lovers (an uncomfortable thought, but not impossible) then at the very least I believe Solas and Mythal were co-conspirators and allies at various points in time.

 

Assuming Solas' original impetus to overthrow the ancient status quo came from a desire to free elvish society from the iron grasp of the Pantheon, her protective nature and motherly relationship to the People may have led Mythal to come around to his way of thinking.  Consequently, this betrayal may have been what led the other gods (specifically Elgar'nan?) to murder her before the fall of Arlathan.  

 

Later, the Andrastean slave rebellion.  Again: allies working behind the scenes for the sake of the People.   The Andaste-Shartan evidence has been analyzed to death elsewhere, so I won't waste space here.

 

Also -and this is right out of nowhere- but her role as the "Mother" makes me wonder if she didn't have a direct hand in creating the elvish race as we know it.  After all, according to Dalish lore, everything had to be recreated from scratch after the sun burned the first creation to ash and Elgar'nan threw him down.  Extrapolating from the myth and assuming it's a reference to the recreation of the "real" world (vs fade), it seems plausible.  It would do a lot to explain why, in the final scene, he seems to expect that she both understands and -in theory- consents to what he's about to do, because the People need him.  

I wondering about Mythal and Flemeths betrayals as well!  I wonder if they are parallels in some way.

[Ispan]

So in the conversation with Flemeth, Morrigan and baby reborn old god.....The inquisitor can ask if she will help, which she replies with When I get what I came for....So maybe if Mythal's soul did slip over to Solas that is her way of helping? To throwing that out there.

 

Even if Mythal's soul didn't slip over to Solas, the sacrifice of her life and the possible deliverance of the old god soul are pretty big gifts!

 

Edit:

Isnt' that the rogue version of the dominant comment.

And I keep hearing about this dominant comment.  When did that happen?   I need to hear this (spoken to my own Inquisitor, haha)

[Eivuwan]

Hey y'all, I forget, at what point does Solas call Lavellan graceful? I feel like it happened before but now I can't remember. 

 

At the beginning in one of the Haven conversations and only if you play a rogue.

[Aviena]

Assuming Solas' original impetus to overthrow the ancient status quo came from a desire to free elvish society from the iron grasp of the Pantheon, her protective nature and motherly relationship to the People may have led Mythal to come around to his way of thinking.  Consequently, this betrayal may have been what led the other gods (specifically Elgar'nan?) to murder her before the fall of Arlathan.  

 

Solas leading a sort of grassroots rebellion against the panthenon might explain some of the wolf statues we see in the other gods' "houses". You know...starting off with little, secret shrines to Fen'Harel (like the ones in the crypts under the ToM?), until the gods have been sealed away, the temples have been cast down, and the newly free elves can build a whole bunch of statues to their saviour and thumb their noses at their old subjugators.

 

Maybe that's why elven society then went ahead and collapsed. Fen'Harel was like "sweet, my work here is done, now everyone can enjoy their freedom and govern themselves while I go to sleep". Didn't work out so well.

[Eivuwan]

 

zambixi, on 15 Dec 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

 

I just spat soda everywhere.   

 

This is brilliant, and I'm all out of likes.

 

 

I love how we build on each other's ideas here.

[HurricaneGinger]

Isnt' that the rogue version of the dominant comment.

At the beginning in one of the Haven conversations and only if you play a rogue.

 

two more reasons to start another lavellan pt. *sigh* 

 

I'M ADDICTED HELP

[Eivuwan]

Even if Mythal's soul didn't slip over to Solas, the sacrifice of her life and the possible deliverance of the old god soul are pretty big gifts!

 

Edit:

And I keep hearing about this dominant comment.  When did that happen?   I need to hear this (spoken to my own Inquisitor, haha)

 

At the beginning and only if you play a mage.

[Eomie]

Even if Mythal's soul didn't slip over to Solas, the sacrifice of her life and the possible deliverance of the old god soul are pretty big gifts!

 

Edit:

And I keep hearing about this dominant comment.  When did that happen?   I need to hear this (spoken to my own Inquisitor, haha)

I am not sure he got the old god's soul, I think that is what Flemeth was sending through the mirror.

[jellobell]

Aaah, all of this lovely art is making me want to commission something (I can't art to save my life, unfortunately).

 

Also I know the song/lyrium/magic theories were a while back, but I just love how Patrick Weekes based the rhythm of Solas's otherworldly voice off of a song, and how the Inquisitor can answer in that rhythm. It's like they're singing together.

[Birdy]

Even if Mythal's soul didn't slip over to Solas, the sacrifice of her life and the possible deliverance of the old god soul are pretty big gifts!

 

Edit:

And I keep hearing about this dominant comment.  When did that happen?   I need to hear this (spoken to my own Inquisitor, haha)

It's the first flirt option in Haven for Mage.  It's pretty good.   

[Birdy]

two more reasons to start another lavellan pt. *sigh* 

 

I'M ADDICTED HELP

Pfft. This maybe be the Solas Recovery Wing, but you're never going to leave the Asylum. Take your medicine.
 

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http://erasedart.tum...eaming-together

[myahele]

I think Solas just greatly respects mythal for being more of a peacebringer/mediator.

If we can assume there's some truth to Dalish myth then she was the one to calm Elgarnans rage and convinced him to reconcile with his father. As such peace to the world was brought about. Perhaps she and fen harel were trying to bring peace, but Mythal was betrayed and killed; thus destroying the possibility. And forcing Fen harel to trick the remaining gods

I wonder if the betrayer is this unnamed "sun" god? The person that she once helped?

In the end I guess there some truth to some of their abilities. Mythal is described as "coming out from the ocean" and her temple is in the middle of the lake + she briefly shows up made of water

[Birdy]

About 3:30

[Eivuwan]

Honestly, I don't like the black multiple eyes wolf. I prefer the white cuddly one, but it seems like most of the art use the black wolf.

[Ispan]

Solas leading a sort of grassroots rebellion against the panthenon might explain some of the wolf statues we see in the other gods' "houses". You know...starting off with little, secret shrines to Fen'Harel (like the ones in the crypts under the ToM?), until the gods have been sealed away, the temples have been cast down, and the newly free elves can build a whole bunch of statues to their saviour and thumb their noses at their old subjugators.

 

Maybe that's why elven society then went ahead and collapsed. Fen'Harel was like "sweet, my work here is done, now everyone can enjoy their freedom and govern themselves while I go to sleep". Didn't work out so well.

 

This Felassan/Briala conversation from TME stuck out to me:

Spoiler

"Do you ever tire of it, Briala?" he asked then. "Walking among the fools, bending them to your will with a word here and a gesture there?"
Briala started to answer, then stopped at Felassan's stare. It was intent, almost angry, his eyes glittering inside the shadows of his cloak.
[...]
"I believe I am doing good work," she finally said.
Felassan nodded and looked away.

"Yes, that lasts for a while."
[...]
"And you're doing good work. And the day when you can accept that they'll never really understand, or appreciate it, or know just how much you did..."

 

Felassan is working for and knows an awful lot of stories about the Dread Wolf, and this part made me sad because I think Fen'harel betrayed his fellow 'gods' trying to help the lesser elves and now the modern elves don't even remember his sacrifice and just think of him as a terrible creature.