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[Lady Luminous]

I just wish that it was possible to be kissed rather than to kiss first in that Fade scene. I really miss these moments in Bioware games when LIs initiate romance or kiss first or flirt first. It's hard to play as a shy character nowadays... and sometimes getting a couple of LIs mixed signal is just plain fun: what, Lelianna, Zevran, Alistair, you all want a piece of me? Lol. Hilarious as geez

 

Bull is good about initiating and kissing first, although you have to drop hints for him and of course agree to the relationship. But he's quite dominant, and my Acantha is very demure and diplomatic which can read shy in certain situations. 

[Tielis]

*raises hand sheepishly*

 

Well since I admitted it, here, have some headcanon soundtrack.

 

 

This reminded me of another song with the same title.  

 

Spoiler

[kalasaurus]

I just wish that it was possible to be kissed rather than to kiss first in that Fade scene. I really miss these moments in Bioware games when LIs initiate romance or kiss first or flirt first. It's hard to play as a shy character nowadays... and sometimes getting a couple of LIs mixed signal is just plain fun: what, Lelianna, Zevran, Alistair, you all want a piece of me? Lol. Hilarious as geez

 

(This is just my opinion, so bear with me)

 

I think that it might have come off as a little sketchy if Solas initiated the first kiss, given the context of where they are, what he knows and who he is.  This way, it gives Lavellan a little more power and agency over the situation.

[Sable Rhapsody]

You know, come to think of it, that would be a fun little fanfic premise: Varric plays Hawke to Lavellan's Merrill and explains to him/her all these confusing human customs and history things.

 

That's totally what happened in my headcanon.  My Lavellan just followed him around everywhere pestering him with questions.  And not just him--Josie, Mother Giselle, just about anybody who she doesn't find intimidating at the start.

[Chari]

Bull is good about initiating and kissing first, although you have to drop hints for him and of course agree to the relationship. But he's quite dominant, and my Acantha is very demure and diplomatic which can read shy in certain situations. 

This whole domsub thing just freaks me out. No thanks, I'm shy not submissive 

Meh... I had a feeling that even if Lavellan decided to slow down for a second he still would kiss her. It felt like he really wanted to. But I guess because Bioware don't want to ****** off the players every LI just has to be so... eh, manual and aritificial at times. At least not Hawkeward or Shepard/Jacob-like. That's an improvement already

[Chari]

(This is just my opinion, so bear with me)

 

I think that it might have come off as a little sketchy if Solas initiated the first kiss, given the context of where they are, what he knows and who he is.  This way, it gives Lavellan a little more power and agency over the situation.

I guess shy people like me are forever alone then in modern and future Bioware games. Good to know...

[Lady Luminous]

This whole domsub thing just freaks me out. No thanks, I'm shy not submissive 

Meh... I had a feeling that even if Lavellan decided to slow down for a second he still would kiss her. It felt like he really wanted to. But I guess because Bioware don't want to ****** off the players every LI just has to be so... eh, manual and aritificial at times. At least not Hawkeward or Shepard/Jacob-like. That's an improvement already

 

That's totally fine. I personally happen to love it, and wish I could find a guy like Bull in person!

[Ispan]

This whole domsub thing just freaks me out. No thanks, I'm shy not submissive 

Meh... I had a feeling that even if Lavellan decided to slow down for a second he still would kiss her. It felt like he really wanted to. But I guess because Bioware don't want to ****** off the players every LI just has to be so... eh, manual and aritificial at times. At least not Hawkeward or Shepard/Jacob-like. That's an improvement already

 

I like when LIs make the first move, too, but I think it could've been awkward for Solas' romance in the long run.  The ending was easier for me to accept because I knew that Solas tried to spare Lavellan and she was the one who actively pushed for the romance, to the point that she actually says something like "I'm willing to take that risk" when Solas says they shouldn't be together because they'd get hurt.  It might've seemed more like he was taking advantage of the situation and using her if he was the one who initially pursued the romance.

 

Edit: But it would've been hot

[jellobell]

I just wish that it was possible to be kissed rather than to kiss first in that Fade scene. I really miss these moments in Bioware games when LIs initiate romance or kiss first or flirt first. It's hard to play as a shy character nowadays... and sometimes getting a couple of LIs mixed signal is just plain fun: what, Lelianna, Zevran, Alistair, you all want a piece of me? Lol. Hilarious as geez

I think it works for Solas, though. Because as soon as he realizes what you want he's all over it.   I played my Lavellan as fairly demure, romance-wise (though she's decisive as a leader). She only ever flirted with Solas and sometimes Dorian. My headcanon is that she started crushing on him fairly early on, but didn't realize it until the mage quest, where she saw him die. And her feelings just kept building through In Your Heart Shall Burn and getting Skyhold. And then came the Fade date... Even though she didn't realize it was a dream at first, I think she was also feeling less inhibited. And there Solas was, looking at her like she was the best thing in the world. So she just went for it. Given how he responded, I can't help thinking that the growing attraction was felt on both sides.

 

And I will always be disappointed that he used "Ma nuvenin" on Mihris and not Lavellan. Because the Princess Bride has taught me that "as you wish" is one of the most romantic phrases ever.

[Imryll]

I guess shy people like me are forever alone then in modern and future Bioware games. Good to know...

You don't think Solas is a bit of a special case? I don't think you need to assume that all Bioware suitors will be similarly hesitant.

[Chari]

I like when LIs make the first move, too, but I think it could've been awkward for Solas' romance in the long run.  The ending was easier for me to accept because I knew that Solas tried to spare Lavellan and she was the one who actively pushed for the romance, to the point that she literally says "I'll take that chance."  It might've seemed more like he was taking advantage of the situation and using her if he was the one who initially pursued the romance.

It makes sense, I guess... but, still

I wouldn't mind such a scenario: Fade scene, either she kisses him or he kisses her. In the first case it goes as it happens now. In the second case he suddenly stops and disappears and later apologises for his rush actions. Then the player has a choice: either to act offended and hurt and say that she never wanted it/it's over or say that she... doesn't mind it at all, in fact and maybe she needed a little nudge or sth similiar. And Solas is probably feeling lost and too tangled in his feelings to do anything, he understands they're falling in love and he can't do anything to stop it... or maybe he can... but does he want to?.. 

[Uirebhiril]

So I was reading in this thread a little while back about the awkward flirting of Bioware and wondered where you rate initiating the Solas romance on the awkard flirting of Bioware scale?

For me, it wasn't awkward but my Lavellan did so come on a bit strongly. That first flirt where they've known each other for five minutes and she's saying she would have done everything she could have to protect him..
...ease it up a bit there Lavellan, I know he's hot but let's not scare the poor man with your lust this soon.
 

 

Eh, none of the flirts came off as being overt to me. Especially that first one. If you consider it from a Dalish perspective, they aren't oh-no scared of mages and are used to protecting their Keeper and clan, so it's a valid thing to say. Unless you play as a mage I suppose, but at least one non-flirt option covers for that. It didn't seem to me that my Lavellan was telling Solas to drop trou at that point; more that she had seen he was willing to help, had kept her alive, and was sticking around to see it through. As she said, she wasn't going to let anyone use the fact he is a mage against him.

 

The second (?) flirt where she tells him she looks forward to helping him make new friends was friendly and teasing and could be taken either way. It certainly seems to spark his interest, and so we later get the class-specific flirt line in turn from him. It could still be taken as friendly and no more than gentle teasing. Compared to some of the early flirts you have with others, this was mild and hardly indicative of anything sexual or suggestive. I was glad for that. I hate the creepy obvious "nice staff wanna f" lines. If anyone used some of those on me in real life I'd laugh in their face and then run far away. Thank goodness for subtlety.

[Chari]

You don't think Solas is a bit of a special case? I don't think you need to assume that all Bioware suitors will be similarly hesitant.

I don't mind hesitation. I just really dislike this new approach in which the player has to manually click all the hearts which kills the suspence, the tension, the mystery and drama. And I miss those LIs who made the first step, who were proactive (more or less). It was... realistic? Fun? Hilarious sometimes? Sad, shocking at times. It felt... like real life in a way

[jellobell]

Eh, none of the flirts came off as being overt to me. Especially that first one. If you consider it from a Dalish perspective, they aren't oh-no scared of mages and are used to protecting their Keeper and clan, so it's a valid thing to say. Unless you play as a mage I suppose, but at least one non-flirt option covers for that. It didn't seem to me that my Lavellan was telling Solas to drop trou at that point; more that she had seen he was willing to help, had kept her alive, and was sticking around to see it through. As she said, she wasn't going to let anyone use the fact he is a mage against him.

It works well for a mage, too. As a fellow apostate, you've gotta imagine that she's pictured the exact same scenario happening to her; surrounded by templars, taken into custody, possibly even made tranquil. It'd be a worst nightmare sort of situation. I didn't see it as coming on too strong at all for my character to tell Solas that she wouldn't let that happen to him.

[Aetheria]

I don't mind hesitation. I just really dislike this new approach in which the player has to manually click all the hearts which kills the suspence, the tension, the mystery and drama. And I miss those LIs who made the first step, who were proactive (more or less). It was... realistic? Fun? Hilarious sometimes? Sad, shocking at times. It felt... like real life in a way

IIRC you can turn off the tone icons in dialogue, which presumably would include the flirt indicators. Not sure if that would improve the experience for you, but it might be worth a try

[amranthe]

Solavellan Syndrome

 

Symptoms include inability to roll anything but female Dalish, inability to complete other romances & sudden obsession with wolves.

 

Minor symptoms include listening to All The Break-Up Songs, seeking fanfiction/smut & praying to Patrick Weekes for future DLC.

 

Incredibly contagious with a rapid spread. If you find yourself humming "Hallelujah", it MAY be too late...

 

Solavellan Syndrome is not fatal but IS debilitating. If you show any signs, seek shelter at the Solas Recovery Wing on BSN.

 

I so have this

 

So I was reading in this thread a little while back about the awkward flirting of Bioware and wondered where you rate initiating the Solas romance on the awkard flirting of Bioware scale?

For me, it wasn't awkward but my Lavellan did so come on a bit strongly. That first flirt where they've known each other for five minutes and she's saying she would have done everything she could have to protect him..
...ease it up a bit there Lavellan, I know he's hot but let's not scare the poor man with your lust this soon.
And of course that fade scene, after having played with a non Solasmancer seems a bit odd now.
"I felt the whole word change"
All other inquisitors: "cool story, bro"
Female Lavellan: "Felt, aaaaayyee?"
It makes it seem like he's hitting on everyone and only a female Lavellan realises xD I am so running that as my headcannon because I think it's hilarious.

How awkward are some of the other character flirts? I've only done Dorian, which honestly is the only appropriate way to talk to the man.
Aaaaand Cullen which rates highly imo as my inquisitor walks up to him (having known him for hardly any time) amongst his recruits at haven and goes:
"You chaste, bro?"

Definitely up there on my hilarious cringe list with walking up to poor Alistair out of the blue and going, "Dude, you a virgin?"

Is there anyone who rates as highly as my most awkward DA flirt, oh man, cringing at the thought, which is Anders? That moment where he's pouring his heart out about Justice and Hawke just goes: "at least he got a nice body"
*endless face/palm*
Anyone that bad?

 

I don't think any of the ones I tried make me literally cringe... I agree most of them feel like they move way too fast, and your Inq. comes on way too strong... but I get the gameplay limitations there. And yea, no where near as bad as DA2.

 

It's been so long, but I felt like the Alistair romance in DAO was one of the most "natural" feeling, probably because he's the one you get the most screentime with, so it flows a bit better. I could be wrong though, I was much younger when I played, it was a simpler time

 

As far as DAI goes, with my limited experience with basically Cullen, and watching Youtube videos of the other romances, I really do think Solas's is one of the best and most natural. Runners up are maybe Cass and Josie.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I don't mind hesitation. I just really dislike this new approach in which the player has to manually click all the hearts which kills the suspence, the tension, the mystery and drama. And I miss those LIs who made the first step, who were proactive (more or less). It was... realistic? Fun? Hilarious sometimes? Sad, shocking at times. It felt... like real life in a way

 

To be fair, the heart is just a visual indicator.  In older BioWare games, it was pretty much the same for most LIs.  You had to pick a flirty line to initiate the romance, and some of those lines were really, REALLY bad.

 

I could very well be wrong (it's been a while since some of these games) but the only LIs who I remember flirting with zero romantic prompting from the PC are Carth from KOTOR, Silk Fox in Jade Empire, Anders in DA2, and Liara in ME1.  And Atton Rand and Bishop, but those are Obsidian characters, and they have a very different ethos toward romance.

[jellobell]

I don't mind hesitation. I just really dislike this new approach in which the player has to manually click all the hearts which kills the suspence, the tension, the mystery and drama. And I miss those LIs who made the first step, who were proactive (more or less). It was... realistic? Fun? Hilarious sometimes? Sad, shocking at times. It felt... like real life in a way

Hmmm, I think initiating things would work for other LIs (IB basically does if you give him some hints). But there's no way Solas would initiate things on his own. He's attracted to her, yes. I think that's very clear when he responds to her flirting/teasing. And then there are all of those looks he gives her (maybe he looks at other quizzies like that too, but c'mon, that smile when you're going to Skyhold is heart-melting). He knows it's not a good idea, but all he needs is a little push and his self-control just shatters.

[kalasaurus]

I guess shy people like me are forever alone then in modern and future Bioware games. Good to know...

 

I just think that context is important.  In this context, it would be sketchy of Solas.  Lavellan is in the dark on so many things (to begin with- where they actually are).

 

Otherwise, I'd agree.  I always liked picking the "I don't know. It's too soon to say" dialogue with Alistair so he's more forward in initiating their first kiss.

[Eivuwan]

I just wish that it was possible to be kissed rather than to kiss first in that Fade scene. I really miss these moments in Bioware games when LIs initiate romance or kiss first or flirt first. It's hard to play as a shy character nowadays... and sometimes getting a couple of LIs mixed signal is just plain fun: what, Lelianna, Zevran, Alistair, you all want a piece of me? Lol. Hilarious as geez

 

That might be nice for other LIs, but it doesn't make sense for Solas' guarded character.

[DragonRacer]

Solavellan Syndrome

 

I have discovered a new symptom while in the shower: the ability to turn any song into a Solavellan one.

 

I'm kinda glad my husband was not home yet while I blurted out:

 

But you didn't have to cut me off
Make out like it never happened and that we were nothing 
And I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a stranger and that feels so rough...
Now you're just A RIFT MAGE that I used to know

[Mims]

Given the extremely negative reaction to ninjamancing, I don't think we're ever likely to see anyone but the player-character make the first move. It might be fine for some people, but for every person that's fine with an NPC taking the initiative, there's someone who would be troubled by it. Chances are they will continue to err on the side of caution as far as romancing goes. 

[Chari]

To be fair, the heart is just a visual indicator. In older BioWare games, it was pretty much the same for most LIs. You had to pick a flirty line to initiate the romance, and some of those lines were really, REALLY bad.

I could very well be wrong (it's been a while since some of these games) but the only LIs who I remember flirting with zero romantic prompting from the PC are Carth from KOTOR, Silk Fox in Jade Empire, Anders in DA2, and Liara in ME1. And Atton Rand and Bishop, but those are Obsidian characters, and they have a very different ethos toward romance.

Not really. Leliana could fall for the Warden just because she is nice to her. Alistair acts really shy but still initiative. In DAO there were slightly different approaches. Slightly, but still. Heart icons just kill the immersion for me ever since DA2. I hoped they'd never come back

[Aetheria]

And Atton Rand and Bishop, but those are Obsidian characters, and they have a very different ethos toward romance.

ikr? You want to talk about lack of closure, let's talk about KoTOR 2... T_T

[Elisaveta]

Pretty sure you can turn off the heart icons in settings (Turn off tone).

I prefer the romance system more in Inquisition as opposed to Origins myself, relationships do feel more organic to me.