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I do think that we will have to stop him. The question is whether or not he's gone too far to listen.

 

 

Solas is the perfect antagonist character for an 'intellectual' resolution. If you can match him at his game, find the flaw in his reasoning....

 

That might still entail letting him see a little consequences for his action (whatever it would be). I think he might need to see something go wrong to actually snap out of it.

 

Not that he hasnt seen enough things go wrong, but hopefully its better then 'Solas is the Big Bad lets drop him' ending some are looking forward to.


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Probably has been discussed before, but what do you guys think Solas original plan was? After they killed Corypheus, he got the orb and his powers back, then what? 


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Solas is the perfect antagonist character for an 'intellectual' resolution. If you can match him at his game, find the flaw in his reasoning....

 

That might still entail letting him see a little consequences for his action (whatever it would be). I think he might need to see something go wrong to actually snap out of it.

 

Not that he hasnt seen enough things go wrong, but hopefully its better then 'Solas is the Big Bad lets drop him' ending some are looking forward to.

 

Agreed.  I don't think I could handle a Solas boss fight. 


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*looks shiftly from side to side*

 

*reaches into trenchcoat and withdraws the link*

 

*slides the link across the table*

 

http://dragonage-kin...68344#t46368344

 

I think you'll find this what you were looking for.  Uh, I just happened to know where it was.  For a friend ... No, it wasn't already tabbed open on my computer.  Why do you ask?

 

In all seriousness though they just wrapped up the ending so enjoy.

 

I... ugh... O_______O

:whistle: :D  :whistle:


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Solas is the perfect antagonist character for an 'intellectual' resolution. If you can match him at his game, find the flaw in his reasoning....

 

That might still entail letting him see a little consequences for his action (whatever it would be). I think he might need to see something go wrong to actually snap out of it.

 

Not that he hasnt seen enough things go wrong, but hopefully its better then 'Solas is the Big Bad lets drop him' ending some are looking forward to.

This. I could even picture my Lavellan quizzies not forgiving Solas, and not going the relationship path again. But to just TALK sense into him instead of beating him down would be preferable. Beating him at his mind games, pointing out all the flaws.... and then he sacrifices himself anyway? Oh well. I could picture it. T.T



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I don't think a petition is going to do anything. BioWare has their plans and I'm sure they're working on turning whatever those plans are into something concrete. A DLC may just be too small to tell Solas's story in. I'd be surprised if he wasn't mentioned at all but we may well not get answers until the next game.

 

 

Mmm, perhaps. Awakening was a DLC but it was.. big.

A DLC on that scale can tell stories, if it focuses mostly on the elf gent.

And if I'll have to wait 4 years I will cry.



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Off topic is anyone going to see The Hobbit tonight?

Watched it yesterday!!It was beautiful not 100% true to the book,but then again these scenes I have in mind were open to interpretation since they're not detailed in the book.
Bring tissues with you and something sweet!You'll need them!

Back to Solas...
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Are there any Myers Briggs enthousiasts here who like to comment on brainfart of mine? I posted it in the Myers Briggs thread but nobody replied to it ;) To busy proving trying to prove their right I guess ;)

 

"Okay, so I've been thinking... A lot of people seem to think ( myself included) that Solas is either INTJ or INTP but we only know him as Solas, after all the stuff he has done. Could it be possible that Solas is in fact an ENTJ and that his current INTP-like behavior are actually his shadow functions taking over because of all the stuff that happened after he woke up from his slumber?

 

I can imagine that the whole waking up after many years and seeing how the world has gone to **** because of your actions would change the way someone looks at himself.

 

Not too much evidence to back up but small glimps when Solas' speaks about himself when he was younger. He sounded more extraverted then..

The things he might have done as Fen'Harel are totally up an ENTJ's ally "

 

I typed Solas as an INTJ. Before the game I was going with INTP, after? I will fight for that J. 

Well, we don't know how he was before; but I guess even an introverted can be cocky and arrogant and always ready for a fight. But who knows? 



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Probably has been discussed before, but what do you guys think Solas original plan was? After they killed Corypheus, he got the orb and his powers back, then what?

Hello!The most popular theory suggests that he wants to release the rest of the elven gods,since it is hinted that Fen'harel lead a rebellion against them and locked them away somewhere.A decision he regrets considering that he's actions haven't seem to have benefited the elves,or so he believes.
My theory is that locking away the other gods has weakened Fen'harel as well,hence he went into slumber soon after he overthrew the rest of the pantheon.

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Off topic is anyone going to see The Hobbit tonight?


Meeeee. I just hope I can get there before it sells out!

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This. I could even picture my Lavellan quizzies not forgiving Solas, and not going the relationship path again. But to just TALK sense into him instead of beating him down would be preferable. Beating him at his mind games, pointing out all the flaws.... and then he sacrifices himself anyway? Oh well. I could picture it. T.T

 

 

Yup! As adorable Solas is, 'now that I stopped you from destroying the world lets shack up again' could be a disturbing ending.

 

I like big sacrifice ending (thats how ME should have ended for my Shep and Garrus), but im not sure thats what is needed here. Solas might want to see it that way, but what he might really need is just to let go.

 

Self-determination, 'mortal' scope on things, small changes... theres a reason he had to stop the 'gods' from interfering in the first place.

 

But if Solas can be reasoned with Id like a chance for him to reconnect with Lavellan (or friendquisitor, on a diffrent level). Like him going away for a while and telling Lavellan he will be back when hes ready.

 

And then actually not lying and coming back (lets make it a Skyhold balcony scene !). 


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Promised myself I wouldn't create my bromancing, nightmare running male Lavellan until January. But I am weak. WEAK.

 

I must have watched that opening run more times than I can count (My quizzies have a bad case of the uglies upon leaving the Fade) but I never tire of how freaking adorable Solas is in his first cutscene. If you didn't fall in love a little bit, then you're doing life wrong.

 

DragonAgetrade_Inquisition_2014121600400

 

:wub: Ginger mullet Lavellan would hit that if he could. 

 

I grabbed this pic and can't stop laughing at Cullen's weird off-in-the-distance stare. What is he thinking about? Maybe he's secretly thinking about Solas as well.

Spoiler

 

I'm promising myself I'll finish my Cullenmancer before I go any further with him...But we'll see. 

 

Gotta say, all this gorgeous fanart makes it hard for me to not jump on in and make another Solasmancer right away. Even knowing how it ends does not lessen my desire for the ride. But I'm holding off until I've got my DAI platinum trophy and a few more things get patched. I'd say I'd wait until a sign of DLC hope but I don't think I have the patience for that.

 

It's weird, but for the first time I do not have a headcannon for one of my DA pairings. I always have a headcannon. It usually involves renegades or power couples.. I'm not a happily married with kids kinda person. That's a bad end for me  :lol:

But I just don't know where I want a female Lavellan and Solas to end up. Only that I want her to find out the truth from him directly. I'll be mad if someone else, like Leliana and her agents, are the ones to discover and pass on the news. Nope.


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I found it pretty cool that he said he would if only he knew it. I really do like his views on blood magic, how it's just a tool and no more evil than any other form of magic. It was refreshing.

 

Also, while we're on the subject of magic, I'll just put my gushing about Solas and magic in here (this was originally in another thread but it died).

 

Personally, I find Solas's ideas about spirits and the fade rather revolutionary. If the widespread belief that magic is inherently dangerous, and fear of possession by demons actually contributes to both of those things being "true" then that has profound implications going forward. And it's even backed up by established lore if you think about it. Magic draws from the Fade, which is raw potential. But it's shaped by the mage who draws upon it. Circle teachings both teach and restrict, by directing what mages believe to be possible. That's why all circle-trained mages do the same spells. Hedge-mages, though, who haven't had any formal training aren't able to do the sorts of things circle mages can, because their way of thinking about magic hasn't been directed. So hedge mage powers take on strange and unpredictable forms. Saarebas, who are treated basically like guns (dangerous things used to make war) are only able to make big, destructive explosions with their magic (confirmed by David Gaider in a pre-release interview). With magic, it seems that belief above all is what gives it form. It could even explain stuff like limited mana pools.

 

And if we accept that to be true, then perhaps we can see how the ancient elves were so powerful. If they did not have the same sorts of restrictive beliefs about what magic could do, then they could conceivably reshape reality with a thought. Perhaps it was also a consequence of no veil separating the magic of the fade from the "real" world. Though I swear there was a codex entry that also said that the image of the veil as a physical barrier was deceptive, because entering the Fade relies more on a change in perception. The Fade corresponds to places in the "real" world, after all. Solas said he had to physically travel to find new areas of the Fade to explore. Therefore, the Fade is all around us. We simply can't access it unless we are a mage, or have some other means (such as the anchor).

 

Just listen to these banters with Vivienne. Solas basically comes out and says that she could be so much more powerful if she thought outside the box that her chantry training has put her in.

 

 

Agreed! One of the more telling things is about demons and possession. Solas makes a big deal about how demons are really just spirits bent from their purpose. He walked the Fade and had no fear of demons/possession because he was able to see the spirits for what they were.

 

But the Circles (being controlled by the Chantry as they are) teach nothing but fear over demons. Hell, when you recruit the Mages the first thing you hear is Cullen warning about how many possessions there are going to be. You can rebuff him with "mages deserve their freedom" but he responds something along the lines of "This isn't about the mages it's just a fact because of the breach". And all I can do is sit there thinking... man Solas would have a fit. 

 

If mages were taught better about spirits, taught the way Solas thinks, then I don't think possession would be nearly the problem it is. But because their teaching shapes the reality, they make the problem worse.

 

Probably has been discussed before, but what do you guys think Solas original plan was? After they killed Corypheus, he got the orb and his powers back, then what? 

 

I think his plan was to unlock the Eluvian that the elven gods are trapped behind. Cole's after-breakup banter says something about "they're waiting behind mirrored glass, hurting". I think Solas locked the gods away, probably with very good reason, but then something went wrong. Maybe the Blight infected them, I don't know, but now he thinks he needs to release them. 

 

I don't think it's just because he wants to return to the past. He's nostalgic, yes, he regrets what the People lost, yes, but I don't think he is so arrogant as to believe that returning to the "time before" is the only answer. Besides, it would make no sense to lock the gods away in the first place if all you do is wake up and say "well that was a bad idea". No matter how hot headed Solas was when he was young, I think he could have at least predicted that locking the gods away would have some ramifications.


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Mmm, perhaps. Awakening was a DLC but it was.. big.

A DLC on that scale can tell stories, if it focuses mostly on the elf gent.

And if I'll have to wait 4 years I will cry.

 

Unfortunately, they've already said there won't be any expansions like Awakening.

 

'Of course, I had to bring up DLC at some point. People are rightfully wary of EA's influence, and Darrah noted that they are going to mostly going to listen to fan demand to shape post-game support. Although he wasn't able to confirm anything, DLC will likely be comprised of sandboxes -- large new areas that players can wander around and complete a main quest in, but also find sidequests for. There isn't going to be another expansion like Awakening though, sadly. Darrah said that it was "far too much work, and very expensive, as everything has to interact with the original game."'

 

From here: http://www.destructo...ii-280921.phtml

 

Yup! As adorable Solas is, 'now that I stopped you from destroying the world lets shack up again' could be a disturbing ending.

 

This is one of the reasons I don't see much hope for the relationship beyond Lavellan maybe getting some answers.



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Hey Solas fans, this video is for you.. Remember to watch the ending! replay if necessary! :D

 



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A question...
Do we know what Solas real name is?
I mean, he would have been give the name Fen'Harel after his rebellion...

What was he called before?

Maybe his original name was in fact Solas?

And like Hatschepsut his name was erased and they put Fen'Harel there?

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Hello!The most popular theory suggests that he wants to release the rest of the elven gods,since it is hinted that Fen'harel lead a rebellion against them and locked them away somewhere.A decision he regrets considering that he's actions haven't seem to have benefited the elves,or so he believes.
My theory is that locking away the other gods has weakened Fen'harel as well,hence he went into slumber soon after he overthrew the rest of the pantheon.

 

Ah no no, I know what his plan is and everything. I mean more like, what he would have done in the moment after the final battle? Would he disappear after he got his hand on the orb or would he remove the veil directly after? The Inquisitor and everyone else was right there so I'm kinda curious on how he was planning on dealing with everything



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No one knows what his plan is...

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Unfortunately, they've already said there won't be any expansions like Awakening.

 

'Of course, I had to bring up DLC at some point. People are rightfully wary of EA's influence, and Darrah noted that they are going to mostly going to listen to fan demand to shape post-game support. Although he wasn't able to confirm anything, DLC will likely be comprised of sandboxes -- large new areas that players can wander around and complete a main quest in, but also find sidequests for. There isn't going to be another expansion like Awakening though, sadly. Darrah said that it was "far too much work, and very expensive, as everything has to interact with the original game."'

 

From here: http://www.destructo...ii-280921.phtml

 

 

 

This is one of the reasons I don't see much hope for the relationship beyond Lavellan maybe getting some answers.

 

 

This is probably a good thing. :) They'll need the bulk of their team working on DA4, assuming there's to be one. Having too many key people working on an Awakening-esque expansion would eat up way too many resources, and result in a longer development time for DA4. So, yay. I'm all for smaller (more frequent?) DLC in the meantime. Honestly, though, I wouldn't expect anything super soon. These people are probably exhausted and miss their families! From what I understand, crunch was pretty brutal this time around.



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Ah no no, I know what his plan is and everything. I mean more like, what he would have done in the moment after the final battle? Would he disappear after he got his hand on the orb or would he remove the veil directly after? Would he try to explain to the Inquisition? The Inquisitor and everyone else was right there so I'm kinda curious on how he was planning on dealing with everything

 

He probably would have said that he would see the orb returned to the ancient ruins or that he intends to study it and then leave to see his plan through. Or something (I mean at this point everything is specualtion anyway :) )



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As far as the expansion thing goes- expansions themselves have fallen out of favor lately. Large DLCs that sit around 20 hours are much more common. So I don't know if I would take them saying that they won't do expansions to mean that we won't have some fairly substantial content in the future. Just that it is not likely to be a boxed game. I think awakening was something like 40 hours?

 

I don't think they are setting Solas up to be the next big bad. At least based on the information we have now. They seem to be laying on the sympathy too heavily, and are enjoying the ambiguousness a bit too much. My guess is that we'd have to talk him down, and if you failed to talk him down he would be like an extra fight during a DLC. I can't think of a single sympathetic villain Bioware has done that we haven't been able to talk down. [Although for many of them, their response is to suicide. I doubt Solas would suicide, but changing sides may set him on the path for the 'death equals redemption' trope.] 

 

If they bring him into another game entirely, then he might become more of Flemeth 2.0. 


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A question...
Do we know what Solas real name is?
I mean, he would have been give the name Fen'Harel after his rebellion...

What was he called before?

Maybe his original name was in fact Solas?

And like Hatschepsut his name was erased and they put Fen'Harel there?

 

I like that idea that Fen'harel was not his real name.  Especially since Abelas and Mythal specifically call him the Dread Wolf. 

 

However, I feel like Solas is a chosen name.  Abelas = sorrow  Solas = pride 

 

I think it's an ancient Elvhen naming convention.  Of course this means that names are fluid to their culture so that reinforces the idea that Fen'harel was not his original name, but a title?  An anathema? 

 

They carefully do not define Fen'harel's original domain.  Clearly he wasn't always the god of rebellion.  So his name would probably be related to that.  I'm curious as to what that will be, because the writers will have to address that at some point.

 

Or he is Falon'din.  But that's just a crackpot theory.  But there are many similarities between Solas, the guy we know, and Falon'din's domain.


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Ah no no, I know what his plan is and everything. I mean more like, what he would have done in the moment after the final battle? Would he disappear after he got his hand on the orb or would he remove the veil directly after? The Inquisitor and everyone else was right there so I'm kinda curious on how he was planning on dealing with everything

I think he'd just disappear,besides we are not sure whether removing the veil is indeed his goal,even if he suggests that in the conversations with the inquisitor that he would prefer it if the veil didn't exist.We'll have to wait and see. :)

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A question...
Do we know what Solas real name is?
I mean, he would have been give the name Fen'Harel after his rebellion...

What was he called before?

Maybe his original name was in fact Solas?

And like Hatschepsut his name was erased and they put Fen'Harel there?

 

There are a few theories around.  One, that it could have been the elvish word for "Wisdom", if you go off the assumption that the most ancient elves were tough to distinguish from spirits.  Wisdom would be the untwisted version of Pride ("Solas").

 

Another is that Mythal referring to him as "Dread Wolf" isn't just a version of "Fen'Harel", but rather a reference to his nature back in the good old primordial creation days.  Dread Wolf, beast of the Abyss.  

 

Or both.   Wisdom spirit -> Twisted to Pride -> Cast down as Dread Wolf -> Raised to Pantheon as Fen'Harel -> self-chosen "Solas" after waking.

 

Or none of the above.   Depends on what timeline you subscribe to, really.



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Probably has been discussed before, but what do you guys think Solas original plan was? After they killed Corypheus, he got the orb and his powers back, then what? 

 

I would like to know this as well!  Because personally I am at a loss.  It's like me with clients who make unreasonable demands for their case and I have to (tactfully) ask them: "So let's say we do everything EXACTLY as you say you want, how do you envision the end result and more importantly WHY do you think that will be the end result?"   

 

Solas' plan: Give the orb to Corypheus -----> [????????] ---> Save his People...?

 

So if yeah, the Inquisitor didn't just carelessly toss an orb of indeterminate-but-obviously-enormous power aside like a banana peel after killing Corypheus (is that what broke it? Cuz it was still intact after she was done at the time she just dropped it on the ground), and Solas got the orb and his powers back.... Now everything did turn out the way you envisioned it...Now what?

 

My clients usually have NO idea what the answer is to this question.  


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