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[Mims]

I don't think Solas is Falon'din. If I were to put money on someone to be responsible for killing Mythal, it would be him. We know she was the one who rallied the other gods to get him to stop his craziness in the past. The fact that it took all the gods teaming up to get him to chill out also seems to indicate he might have been a lot more powerful. If we are to have a 'big bad' elven god, he seems like the perfect fit. 

[Lorien19]

I like that idea that Fen'harel was not his real name. Especially since Abelas and Mythal specifically call him the Dread Wolf.

However, I feel like Solas is a chosen name. Abelas = sorrow Solas = pride

I think it's an ancient Elvhen naming convention. Of course this means that names are fluid to their culture so that reinforces the idea that Fen'harel was not his original name, but a title? An anathema?

They carefully do not define Fen'harel's original domain. Clearly he wasn't always the god of rebellion. So his name would probably be related to that. I'm curious as to what that will be, because the writers will have to address that at some point.

Or he is Falon'din. But that's just a crackpot theory. But there are many similarities between Solas, the guy we know, and Falon'din's domain.

Perhaps,Solas/Fen'harel was the guide to the beyond and Falon'Din had nothing to do with it,and the Dalish simply got it wrong.But then he lead the rebellion and the remaining elves named him "Fen'harel" the wolf who rebelled,I wonder why he's that much associated with wolves though.

[The Oracle]

A little bit of a strange question but I stopped playing my Warrior elfy because a) warriors are kinda boring and b ) she just looks completely ridiculous swinging about a greatsword that's easily the height and weight of her. Especially with her twiggy arms. Too, too unbelievable even in a world of magic, rifts and glowy hands.

 

So for you mage elfies, how do you play? What's your companion set up? Obviously Solas needs to be in the group at all times, but how do you roll with 2 squishy mages? Is there a good set up that includes Cole too? (Because I need to issue out hugs to him at all times.) I'm a bit out of my depth because I almost always go for two dagger rogue but that meant on previous playthroughs that I missed out on lots of Cole and Sera banter.

[jawsisinmywc]

I agree that Cole dialogue was not about the relationship.  Personally, I believe Solas is anguishing over a mixture of what he has already done coupled with what he must now do.  He is depressed and yet resolute in his decision.  If you strip away any friendship with the quizzy and/or relationship, the conversation is one last goodbye and apology for the only person/spirit he cares about.  Because you already get the apology and similiar conversation with Solas in your relationship/friendship.  He says "what we had was real"/"I respect you."  That is his goodbye and apology.  The fact that he also gives one to Cole (presumably the only other individual he cared for) is worrying.  He is truly saying goodbye and it is final.  He is set on the path.

 

Honestly, I feel like the relationship with him is real and the emotions are honest, but he is set on the path already.  So in the end the love only hurts him.  The quizzy is just one more person, in presumably a long line of people, that he has utterly failed and betrayed.  That hurts and is awful and is tragic.  If we actually cared about the guy ... maybe we shouldn't romance him.

 

Of course I will ... always, because I like a good tragedy and I love that dumb man.

 

However, this raises so many questions about what and why he is doing this.  Because it's very very hard not to trust Solas.  If he truly feels like he needs to do something, what is it?  I think that all of the things we talk to him about and everything the companions talk to him about and all of the times he concedes to another's wisdom and point is only because he allows the conversation to venture into topics he is willing to change his opinion on.  Solas is controlling and manipulative.  Those are not necessarily bad traits, but they can be. 

 

edit- To quote my BF "Honey, put a damn point on it."  Sorry guys, I rambled.

As much as it pains me to say this, that seems the most likely continuation of the whole Solas story and romance. I would love to have a happy reunion/ending with Solas and my Lavellan, but it just doesn't seem like it will happen. Also, we can't forget that whatever Solas does in the future has to make sense for all the other options and paths that a Inquisitor could take. Some people I know took routes in the game where they really didn't get along with Solas

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(and even ended up hitting him)

. I also highly suspect that if the romance is even mentioned it will essentially be a rephrasing of "Know that what we had was real". But hey, maybe Weekes will surprise us.

OT: I feel like it was never really made clear why Solas only likes elves. It was either Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah that said it will make super story sense, however no where in the game does it explicitly state why Solas only likes dating elves. The thing is is that he can still like and respect you if you are another race and doesn't seem intrinsically racist, but you don't even have the option to flirt with him as a non-elf. All the other characters have flirt options, including ones that are not available to you. Basically it is assumed by most players that finished the game that he only likes elves because he wants the elves to rise to power once more. I don't want to just assume that just yet, because I really want to see what happened in his past and what his plans for the future is (even if that means waiting 3-4 years for DA4).

[Cheerios789]

I don't think Solas is Falon'din. If I were to put money on someone to be responsible for killing Mythal, it would be him. We know she was the one who rallied the other gods to get him to stop his craziness in the past. The fact that it took all the gods teaming up to get him to chill out also seems to indicate he might have been a lot more powerful. If we are to have a 'big bad' elven god, he seems like the perfect fit. 

 

I don't really think he was.  That's why I tacked that on to the end.  I'm struggling to find parallels. 

[madrar]

Perhaps,Solas/Fen'harel was the guide to the beyond and Falon'Din had nothing to do with it,and the Dalish simply got it wrong.But then he lead the rebellion and the remaining elves named him "Fen'harel" the wolf who rebelled,I wonder why he's that much associated with wolves though.

 

Crazy wolf theory here.   >w<

[SS7]

A little bit of a strange question but I stopped playing my Warrior elfy because a) warriors are kinda boring and b ) she just looks completely ridiculous swinging about a greatsword that's easily the height and weight of her. Especially with her twiggy arms. Too, too unbelievable even in a world of magic, rifts and glowy hands.

 

So for you mage elfies, how do you play? What's your companion set up? Obviously Solas needs to be in the group at all times, but how do you roll with 2 squishy mages? Is there a good set up that includes Cole too? (Because I need to issue out hugs to him at all times.) I'm a bit out of my depth because I almost always go for two dagger rogue but that meant on previous playthroughs that I missed out on lots of Cole and Sera banter.

 

With my elf mage, I bring Solas, Cole, and Cassandra... occasionally swapping Cassandra for a tanked out Iron Bull. For the banter. (With his Reaver abilities, it's pretty awesome. Never mind the shields look so silly and tiny on him.)

[jawsisinmywc]

I'm one of a lot of people who came here after being heartbroken by Solas

 

In my first playthough I went with a female rouge dwarf & romanced Blackwall but the entire time I haven't even remotely felt connected to him, however! My dwarf became friends with Solas real quick (in my first playthroughs I always roleplay as a character with the same personality as mine) and I NEVER left Haven or Skyhold without Solas, NEVER.

All the time I was feeling real sad I haven't rolled an elven maiden for him..

 

At the end...

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I saw him leave with no answers and my heart ached, even though my character had Blackwall.

After the credits, the cutscene came and mind-fucked me entirely. I decided then to start, that instance, a new playthrough with an elven female mage (after the first playthrough it felt it would be the most interesting and would help me clear out some mysteries.. Not only because of Solas, but because of all the story was elven lore & magic centered).

I've never before played an elf, I just have some minor dislike for them from other RPGs, but for him? FRIGGIN YEAH

 

I knew that if I'd romanced him he would break up with her (obviously, otherwise it would break the story), but I really wasn't expecting it before the game's end. The third romance scene devastated me, I put my PS remote aside and tried to learn from the internet how to fix this and if I can.

 

I wanted that scene to be the 'ok' for the relationship and that I would finally be able to that stupid dialog of

 

'We need to discuss our relationship'

'Ok, what is that you want to speak of?'

'[Kiss Him]'

 

Seriously, no matter how awkward that is :|

 

I learned that I can't fix it, I cried a bit, and I'm not the sort to cry.

Everything feels so dull now, exploring the places I've already been to in the first playthrough, and playing the same story. Beh. I'm having serious difficulties picking back up the game from where I left it.

Worst thing is this ENTIRELY CLASHES with my plan to get all of the achievements in the game. This playthrough I've done on hard (since I wanted to prepare for Nightmare) in order to get the 'Inquisitor' and 'Herald' achievements.

But how am I supposed to do that??

Plus, I planned to romance bull with a qunari & to romance Dorian with a human but I know. KNOW. That I won't be able to stand seeing him there and then going to some other romanceable. Besides that obvious fact that I probably won't be into it as much (which could be fine) I'm certain it won't be as interesting and inspiring as this romance.

 

That fictional guy haunts my mind & I have a frigging boyfriend!

 

I NEED a DLC, BADLY.

Can someone PLEASE comfort me?

Welcome to the club! We are pretty much all in the same boat...at least it is a boat with cyber hugs, chocolate and tissues.

[BoscoBread]

OT: I feel like it was never really made clear why Solas only likes elves. It was either Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah that said it will make super story sense, however no where in the game does it explicitly state why Solas only likes dating elves. The thing is is that he can still like and respect you if you are another race and doesn't seem intrinsically racist, but you don't even have the option to flirt with him as a non-elf. All the other characters have flirt options, including ones that are not available to you. Basically it is assumed by most players that finished the game that he only likes elves because he wants the elves to rise to power once more. I don't want to just assume that just yet, because I really want to see what happened in his past and what his plans for the future is (even if that means waiting 3-4 years for DA4).

Time and budget most likely.  Solas' romance was only added when BW was given another year of development time.  If you play the other romances in the game, it's definitely lean in the LI department(Which is amazing to me given how much oomph it brings to a game).  In terms of lore, a female elf romance helps keep him rooted in the present.  You can argue that she shows/reminds him that 'hey, the present isn't all bad for us. im here and im awesome'.

[scintilla]

I don't think they are setting Solas up to be the next big bad. At least based on the information we have now. They seem to be laying on the sympathy too heavily, and are enjoying the ambiguousness a bit too much.

 

Next Big Bad is the bottom of my list of possibilities but I won't rule it out either.

 

A little bit of a strange question but I stopped playing my Warrior elfy because a) warriors are kinda boring and b ) she just looks completely ridiculous swinging about a greatsword that's easily the height and weight of her. Especially with her twiggy arms. Too, too unbelievable even in a world of magic, rifts and glowy hands.

 

So for you mage elfies, how do you play? What's your companion set up? Obviously Solas needs to be in the group at all times, but how do you roll with 2 squishy mages? Is there a good set up that includes Cole too? (Because I need to issue out hugs to him at all times.) I'm a bit out of my depth because I almost always go for two dagger rogue but that meant on previous playthroughs that I missed out on lots of Cole and Sera banter.

 

I usually used Cassandra as a tank and Cole for melee damage. Manage barriers manually so you don't end up overlapping and wasting a cast. Make sure Cole has survival skills. Evasion and Parry, I think? Go for those first because he is a squishy, squishy baby and will get hurt frequently when Barrier is down. Depending on difficulty, you may want to have one of the mages go all the way through the Spirit Tree for Lifeward. You probably want a lot of Barrier upgrades for both mages. Knight Enchanter and Rift Mage supposedly have a lot of synergy, Knight Enchanters can also be ridiculously hard to kill but they're melee, so you may want Cole respecced archer if you do that. I played with two Rift Mages for lots of cc. Get Fade Step for both mages. I think most of this is probably obvious and I sound like an idiot.

 

OT: I feel like it was never really made clear why Solas only likes elves. It was either Mike Laidlaw or Mark Darrah that said it will make super story sense, however no where in the game does it explicitly state why Solas only likes dating elves. The thing is is that he can still like and respect you if you are another race and doesn't seem intrinsically racist, but you don't even have the option to flirt with him as a non-elf. All the other characters have flirt options, including ones that are not available to you. Basically it is assumed by most players that finished the game that he only likes elves because he wants the elves to rise to power once more. I don't want to just assume that just yet, because I really want to see what happened in his past and what his plans for the future is (even if that means waiting 3-4 years for DA4).

 

I think it's probably just the story they wanted to tell with him. The final romance scene doesn't make sense with anything but a Dalish elf. I don't think race/gender matters for a connection to the present and Solas learning to see some little value in the race/culture a respected Inquisitor comes from and a romance could potentially have worked with any race/gender combination.

[Shari'El]

 

I think his plan was to unlock the Eluvian that the elven gods are trapped behind. Cole's after-breakup banter says something about "they're waiting behind mirrored glass, hurting". I think Solas locked the gods away, probably with very good reason, but then something went wrong. Maybe the Blight infected them, I don't know, but now he thinks he needs to release them. 

 

I don't think it's just because he wants to return to the past. He's nostalgic, yes, he regrets what the People lost, yes, but I don't think he is so arrogant as to believe that returning to the "time before" is the only answer. Besides, it would make no sense to lock the gods away in the first place if all you do is wake up and say "well that was a bad idea". No matter how hot headed Solas was when he was young, I think he could have at least predicted that locking the gods away would have some ramifications.

 

I too think it was his plan, in my opinion he did it because of they pretty much enslaved their own, in a sense. 

His dialog with Levellan in the third scene enforces that.

It also seems that the conceptions of the gods were wrong...

This is enforced by the dialogs in Temple of Mythal. If you take care to view the different mosaics of the gods (in the sections where you need choose whether to follow the rituals or not) there will be two Morrigan and Solas will respond on, from what Solas says it seems that he views the elven gods with dismay. Sadly they only comment about two of the mosaics, I really wanted to hear his opinion on all. Besides those comments there is also the comment of Abelas on the Dread Wolf & on the falling of the elves in general.

 

Seems to me Solas did it as an act of rebellion, to truly change the tradition of worshiping gods...

And well, when all of your gods disappear at once chaos will occur, but it could go to more than one way, perhaps he was hopeful.

 

One could not expect it would have such dire consequences. Besides that - most of the knowledge and insights about the world he gained from the Fade after all.

[Shari'El]

With my elf mage, I bring Solas, Cole, and Cassandra... occasionally swapping Cassandra for a tanked out Iron Bull. For the banter. (With his Reaver abilities, it's pretty awesome. Never mind the shields look so silly and tiny on him.)

Hahah, that is exactly my party!

[kalasaurus]

So, I did it.  I made a Solas/Lavellan fan video.  I hope you guys like and enjoy it!  This is my first attempt at making and editing any kind of video.

 

Edit: I tweaked the video.

 

[madrar]

Next Big Bad is the bottom of my list of possibilities but I won't rule it out either.

 

I think it's probably just the story they wanted to tell with him. The final romance scene doesn't make sense with anything but a Dalish elf. I don't think race/gender matters for a connection to the present and Solas learning to see some little value in the race/culture a respected Inquisitor comes from and a romance could potentially have worked with any race/gender combination.

 

Hilariously, the only meta-game reason I can think of for BW to gendergate his romance is if a future path actually leads to... as Sera so eloquently puts it... bumping bits to rebuild the Elvish Empire.  Fwoar!!

 

Which would be the biggest twist Bioware could possibly throw at me, at this point.  It seems impossible to do in a way that wouldn't be far too pat and janky.  

[MadameQuizzy]

So, I did it.  I made a Solas/Lavellan fan video.  I hope you guys like and enjoy it!  This is my first attempt at making and editing any kind of video.

 

 

It really makes me want to play the Templar story now, damn. (also your quizzy is beautiful!)

[Tielis]

 

I just had to quote this because: I agree! Portuguese song and literature is full of a melancholy that comes out of missing, out of longing, and lately a lot of poems and songs just remind me of him. 

 

"It describes a deep emotional state of nostalgic or profound melancholic longing for an absent something or someone that one loves. Moreover, it often carries a repressed knowledge that the object of longing may never return. Saudade was once described as "the love that remains" after someone is gone. " 

(I just had to answer to this, I'm portuguese! Ah, maybe that's one of the reasons why this romance just hit me like it did.)

 

Another word which I associate with the romance is the russian word toska:

 

 

 

 

There's also "litost".  (I know, urban dictionary, but I can't find a better source other than the book it quotes.)  http://www.urbandict... [Lee' - toast]

 

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Litost [Lee' - toast]

Litost is a nearly untranslatable Czech word, a state of feeling miserable and humiliated. “Litost is a state of torment created by the sudden sight of one’s own misery,” - The Book of Laughter and Forgetting by Milan Kundera. Litost connects insult to revenge, with desire to strike back at the perceived source of one’s shame.

For example: double-litost, double-revenge Tupac Shakur vs. Notorious B.I.G.

[scintilla]

Hilariously, the only reason I can think of for BW to gendergate his romance is if a future path actually leads to... as Sera so eloquently puts it... bumping bits to rebuild the Elvish Empire.  Fwoar!!

 

Which is literally the biggest twist Bioware could throw at me, at this point.  It seems impossible to do in a way that wouldn't be far too pat and janky.  

 

And now we know why Sera has the line. She's DAI's very own prophet.    Gendergating was probably done for resources or because Weekes just conceived of the character as straight. Of all the mysteries they could have solved for us in DAI, I must admit, Fen'Harel's sexuality was not what I was expecting.

 

I could maybe see a conversation about babies should they somehow be able to get back together? But actually going that route would be so weird.

[kalasaurus]

It really makes me want to play the Templar story now, damn. (also your quizzy is beautiful!)

 

I ran out of likes, but thank you!

[Cheerios789]

Crazy wolf theory here.   >w<

 

Oooh... I like this.  It matches up with some ideas I've had.  I feel like Fen'harel is separate part of the pantheon, as well.  Nicely put together, by the way.  I find it difficult not to ramble and clearly state my thoughts without getting carried away.  It's embarassing.

 

I really like the idea that Fen'harel is a natural inherent part of the universe.  It explains his insistence that he has to walk the path alone ... forever.  It's the forever part that always sticks out to me.  Because he is fatalistic, so he has to imagine a world where he fails.  But his failure does not seem to end with his death?  Even in the alternate timeline, he was entirely unconcerned with his own death.  That doesn't make sense to me.  He was concerned about the world and the fade and your death, but not his own.  He just said, "I'm dying.  *shrug*"  That bothers me, because Solas is not a humble person and he is not altruistic. 

 

He has goals.  He works very hard and tirelessly towards his goals.  Bad things happen and he changes his plan and tactic, but he keeps trying.  Thus the post-credit scene.  But he has yet to lay down and die.  Of course he was corrupted in the prison so it may have changed him, but when we found him he was pacing and talking to himself.  Possibly plotting?  I don't know.  This bears consideration. 

 

I feel like if we pick apart the red lyrium Solas we might understand the Elvhen gods, the red lyrium, and the nature of Solas better. 

 

Hmm.  That would probably be why he was so quiet in that quest.

[dragondreamer]

As to who Solas used to be, I've wondered if he was military, like a general.  He talks about being a soldier a lot.  Of course, that might just be in reference to the rebellion, but I feel like it might be more than that.  If the wolf imagery was his main signature, that lends to that.  It may even be that Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, was his original name, but there was a bit of wordplay added to the name after the rebellion, and it stuck.

 

A little bit of a strange question but I stopped playing my Warrior elfy because a) warriors are kinda boring and b ) she just looks completely ridiculous swinging about a greatsword that's easily the height and weight of her. Especially with her twiggy arms. Too, too unbelievable even in a world of magic, rifts and glowy hands.

 

So for you mage elfies, how do you play? What's your companion set up? Obviously Solas needs to be in the group at all times, but how do you roll with 2 squishy mages? Is there a good set up that includes Cole too? (Because I need to issue out hugs to him at all times.) I'm a bit out of my depth because I almost always go for two dagger rogue but that meant on previous playthroughs that I missed out on lots of Cole and Sera banter.

 

I'm now addicted to playing Knight-Enchanter, it's so much fun.  I usually run with Solas, Cole, and Cass.  But once you get to a certain place in the build, it's very possible to run without a tank and up to an entire mage party.  Unless you're messing with dragons, that's a different story.

 

Um, to get a little more detailed, my preferred set up is to start with the Lightning tree (because static cage in particular is my good friend), and then switch over to Knight-Enchanter when I get it.  Solas has his upgraded ice spell, and then I take him completely through the Spirit tree before he learns the Rift mage tree.  I prioritize his regenerate and usually let him go from there.  Most of his abilities work very well together with the KE mage.  Cole, I keep on daggers, and I prioritize his stealth ability.  First he goes through the Stealth tree, then I put him through the Assassin tree later.  If there's points left over, I give him some skills from the dual-daggers tree.  Cass, I like to put her through the Vanguard tree, and then the Weapon and Shield tree.  Give her equipment that builds guard, and she's an unstoppable force of nature.

[Elisaveta]

As much as it pains me to say this, that seems the most likely continuation of the whole Solas story and romance. I would love to have a happy reunion/ending with Solas and my Lavellan, but it just doesn't seem like it will happen. Also, we can't forget that whatever Solas does in the future has to make sense for all the other options and paths that a Inquisitor could take. Some people I know took routes in the game where they really didn't get along with Solas

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(and even ended up hitting him)

. I also highly suspect that if the romance is even mentioned it will essentially be a rephrasing of "Know that what we had was real". But hey, maybe Weekes will surprise us.

I'm hopeful that the romance will continue on in a DLC. It seems plausible that since the Inquisitor has the anchor that she is likely the key to helping Solas unlock the eluvian without the orb now. So I'm hoping that will some how bring them back together.

 

Go go eternal optimism!

[Avejajed]

I'm disappointed in rift Mage, wish I would have tried something else. Maybe I'm just not playing it the right way.

As for my Mage it depends on the fight. Hard ones? Two warriors two mages (like dragons) and for running around I swap in a rogue depending on what banter I want .

But I ran with three mages (myself, Solas, Dorian) and iron bull and it was amazing.

[The Oracle]

As to who Solas used to be, I've wondered if he was military, like a general.  He talks about being a soldier a lot.  Of course, that might just be in reference to the rebellion, but I feel like it might be more than that.  If the wolf imagery was his main signature, that lends to that.  It may even be that Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, was his original name, but there was a bit of wordplay added to the name after the rebellion, and it stuck.

 

 

I'm now addicted to playing Knight-Enchanter, it's so much fun.  I usually run with Solas, Cole, and Cass.  But once you get to a certain place in the build, it's very possible to run without a tank and up to an entire mage party.  Unless you're messing with dragons, that's a different story.

 

Wait...you mean I could conceivably run with my best buds of Dorian, Solas and Cole/Varric? *Falls over* Mage it is then. :-) 

[Ajna]

A three mage party is pretty amazing but I missed Cole so it didn't last long..

[DragonRacer]

"It is good to see the Inquisition helping the refugees. It seems no one else will." Aww, Solas, you're making me like you again. And when we find Mother Giselle he goes off to help the poor old woman who appears to be injured, then he approves when you give the ram meat to the cook so the refugees can eat...

 

I sometimes forget how much Solas seems to enjoy the Inquisitor helping people.

 

I'm in the Emerald Graves now and happened upon a side quest where you find the ashes of a fellow in an urn, with a note from the widow asking for someone to grant his final wish of spreading his ashes in a certain (dangerous) location that she cannot reach herself. When I got to the spot and honored that request, Solas commented, "That was a very kind thing that you did."

 

 

Perhaps,Solas/Fen'harel was the guide to the beyond and Falon'Din had nothing to do with it,and the Dalish simply got it wrong.But then he lead the rebellion and the remaining elves named him "Fen'harel" the wolf who rebelled,I wonder why he's that much associated with wolves though.

 

I also wonder if his wolf imagery has any sort of relation with the Emerald Knights and the wolves that served as their companions/guardians? It certainly seems like the ancient elves adored wolves... and then we see the Dalish of today, where the only wolf-related thing you hear about is them turning Fen'Harel statues away from their campsites to shun the Dread Wolf.