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#35801
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Purely Headcanon but, since the idea for her personality was based on one of my favourite Just So Stories, post game my Aithne Lavellan will be exploring the fade, especially since she can open rifts into it and go there physically. She is the cat who walks by herself and all places are alike to her.


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For my fellow theory-mongers:
 
I just realized some idle party banter with Cole lends additional support for the nutbag theory that Solas was a supportive party to spirits being transformed into the elven race, or at the very least, was present for it.
 
Solas:  "How are you, Cole?  Do you feel better, now that you have dealt with the templar?"
Cole:  "I don't know.  He hurt me, hurt the real Cole.  I'm angry at him.  I can't let that go.   I have to become more, let it make me real."
Solas:  "You may well become fully human after all.  I never thought to see it."
Cole:  "When did you see it before?" 
Solas (quickly) "I did not say that I had."
Cole:  No... you didn't.   It's... harder to hear, sometimes.  Sorry.
Solas:  "Good luck, Cole.  You have taken a difficult road."
 
The obvious between-the-lines takeaway here being that Solas has, in fact, seen this transformation before.  He says nothing aloud, but Cole is still attuned enough to pick up the stray thought and react to it.  This is further underscored by Solas' last line: "You have taken a difficult road."  
 
A very odd thing to say for someone who initially argued against the attempt by claiming the road did not exist, no?  =w=


Maybe Solas was a spirit of wisdom, who got made elf, who got corrupted somewhat into pride.

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Yea...my headcannon Lavellan has basically withdrawn from the world in her depression. Dorian's trying his best to get her out of her room. He's gotten her to go get drunk a couple times, but that's about it. And it always ends up awkward for everyone.

 

Lord knows how I'm gonna roleplay it if they come out with a DLC that isn't about Solas. There are very few things that would motivate her to get out of bed right now.

 

If they bring such a DLC I don't think I'll be able to play it with Lavellan, I'd have to compromise on the dwarf, or not even play :|

In my eyes Inqi will fulfill her duties to some extent, but with a lot less compulsion and good will. Doing it to survive the everyday life, to ignore the pearl of hurt in her heart... She'll be a lot less bubbly and more up to the point, less questioning and just 'ok, how do I get this done?'.

I feel so sorry for her you'd think it's me I'm talking about @_@



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I wonder if Solas has always been a mage...



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Yea...roleplaying that party was tough. I tried to pick all the most depressed dialog options, but Lavellan was too happy.

 

Oh that part, when I finished the game for the first time with my dwarf I was sad about Solas leaving, but there was no option to express that through the dialog!

By what you are saying I'll get the same dialog options, even if Solas was romanced, I was thinking of maybe going straight to the quarters :|



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As for post-game, I don't imagine my Lavellan being broken. It's the Dalish way to absorb your grief quietly and endure, as the spirit in Faded tells Solas to do.

That's how I decided to play it, pretty much in the vein of the DA:O prologue. So your life is sucky and tragic? Well your entire history is also sucky and tragic, so just keep on keepin' on...


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#35807
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Some more Solas for you crazy kids:

 

[beautiful pics] 

 

(Maybe if I stopped taking screenshots I'd finish the damn game.)

 

I made the first one my computer's wallpaper ~no shame~.

 

In other news it took me forever to catch up to this thread, wtf. I finished The Calling and am now beginning another runthrough in DAO, going with a Daelish origin since I never did that before. It's weird to know how much they've got wrong haha. 

 

In other news, good luck to everyone with their exams! :) We can do it! 



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Okay, so it's gonna take a couple hours to catch back up on 20+ pages of thread, but in the meantime I was thinking about someone's theory--I can't remember whose--who had been saying that maybe that one banter post-breakup between Solas and Cole was referring to Solas, not the Inquisitor, when Cole says "You became real."

 

At first I was like:  Nah, he's totally addressing the Inquisitor there.  And he does, in like the next line, I think?  But now I think that person may have been onto something there...

 

Bear with me now for a moment while I spin a Weird Theory:

 

Okay, so we kind of get the idea that the ancient elven gods could transfer bodies.  The Dark Ritual may have even been based on an elven ritual to transfer these spirits, or superspirits, or gods, or whatever they actually are, to a new host, if the body became weakened etc (or if they were like the Tevinter and qunari and breeding for better elves, and thus better hosts).  What if the ancient elven gods themselves really did have to have a host?

 

And what if Solas has somehow found a way around this?  Suddenly, his dialogue with Cole about how to remain "real" makes a lot more sense, because it means that Solas himself, as Fen'Harel, is running around as a soul without a body.  And if he can do this, and Cole can do this, well... the others can too.

 

That's extremely important relating to what I'm about to say next, so keep it in mind...

 

If this theory is true, then the reason that the ancient gods were harming the people is because they were corrupted by the bodies they inhabited.  Maybe this corruption is the source of the Blight, or maybe the Blight is the source of the corruption.  We just don't know.  However, in their natural state of existence, the elven gods, or spirits, or whatever, are pure and likely lean more toward being good than evil.  The problem is, they have to keep inhabiting a body...

 

If they didn't need to inhabit bodies, they could remain pure.  They could be freed of the taint.

 

Now of course, this theory makes less sense if they always had bodies, and somehow were able to transfer their souls anyway.   It makes more sense if elves actually are spirits who made themselves real over time.

 

If this theory is correct, then it could totally change everything we suspect about what Solas is up to.  Maybe he does intend to free the Creators/Old Gods... but he'll free them from their bodies when he does so, expecting them to be able to manifest the way he does.  Or maybe that's not what he's up to at all, because what he knows isn't what we thought we knew and may not even be something Cole would understand or think of.

 

One more thing that makes me think that this theory might actually be onto something:  There is a banter between Solas and Cole, and I'm not sure if it's yet another relationship banter or just a general banter.  They are discussing, effectively, sex and desire, and Solas ends up asking Cole if he hasn't felt any desire for a woman since he came across from the Fade.  So, one could infer from this that Solas, who also came across from the Fade, or some other realm, did come to feel desire over time, even if he wouldn't have before.  Or... that Solas is more than just a standard spirit, and Cole probably is, too.

 

I don't know.  It's just a theory building on someone else's theory, but it's starting to make a whole lot of sense to me.  Not sure if it's because I'm tired or what.  If it pans out, I guess it's bad news for anyone who wanted to headcanon little baby elves with Solas.  Unsure if Theoretical Manifested Spirit-God Solas could father any kids.


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#35809
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MUST. STOP.BEING. SO. OBSESSED. NEED. SERIOUS. HELP.

 

I just saw your sig, what is the purpose of the sad faced Levallen?

Will this be used for something?

I got the video of the final romance scene on my computer (straight from the Ps4) and I don't want to rewatch it if it has no purpose :(



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What are your specs on your PC!?!? That looks crazy detailed and gorgeous!

 

:blush:

 

I have a Clevo P170EM laptop. i7 3630QM 2.4ghz, AMD 7970M 2GB, 8GB RAM.

 

I can't run everything on the highest settings, but I've got a decent compromise worked out.

 

Everything is on max except:

 

~ textures are on ultra, not fade touched

~ tessellation is high, not ultra

~ vegetation is medium (doesn't seem to alter quality, just quantity - this has a big impact on my fps)

~ msaa off, post-processing aa off

~ HBAO, not HBAO full

~ during most gameplay, effects are on high, as are cutscene effects (dof) - I seem to crash during cutscenes if I have post-effects (dof) on ultra -- I do turn it up to ultra when taking screenshots and using hattiwatti's cinematic tools (as in these screenshots); I also turn effects up to ultra when taking screenshots. Thankfully neither of these settings requires a restart

 

That's all I can remember about my in-game settings right now.

 

I also use sweetfx. I use SMAA with custom super high settings, lumasharpen to bring back a lot of detail and combat softness, along with curves, tonemapping, levels, cine dpx, and liftgammagain. My settings are a work in progress, and often need a little tweak for different areas and lighting.

 

As I mentioned, I use hattiwatti's cinematic tools for DAI, mostly trying to keep it simple (after losing too many hours to the tonemapping tools) with freecam, dof, and on occasion character lighting and fog.

 

I'm still learning how to use the tools and get the best out of them. The rest of my stuff is here if you're at all interested: http://pictureamoebe.tumblr.com

 

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#35811
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Okay, so it's gonna take a couple hours to catch back up on 20+ pages of thread, but in the meantime I was thinking about someone's theory--I can't remember whose--who had been saying that maybe that one banter post-breakup between Solas and Cole was referring to Solas, not the Inquisitor, when Cole says "You became real."

 

At first I was like:  Nah, he's totally addressing the Inquisitor there.  And he does, in like the next line, I think?  But now I think that person may have been onto something there...

 

Bear with me now for a moment while I spin a Weird Theory:

 

Spoiler

 

That was me!  My friend first suggested it and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.  That comment about desire stuck out to me as well because so much of what he talked to Cole about sounded like he was relating personal experience rather than something he'd learned from another source.  It's possible for the Inquisitor to choose not to recruit Cole, right?  If he's told to leave I wonder if Cole sticks around and Solas interacts with him without anyone knowing, so he'd still be able to learn about Cole becoming real.


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#35812
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As for post-game, I don't imagine my Lavellan being broken. It's the Dalish way to absorb your grief quietly and endure, as the spirit in Faded tells Solas to do.

 

I see mine as being quiet about it all. She's a pretty private person and she feels partly responsible. If theres no follow-up, she might always keep wondering who Solas really was and what he wanted of her. Hence being very bad at commiting to anyone else, tho she would keep working for her people.



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@Shari'Hel

 

The original idea doesn't belong to me :) But we are making collage to show Weekes what he did to us and our hearts!CzMfR.gif

HE MUST FEEL OUR PAIN!  MmSWc.gif

 

 

So yeah, when we finish, we will tweet it to him :)


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#35814
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Damn those are some awesome screenshots. I want your computer :o

 

That last one would make a pretty sweet wallpaper, actually...

 

 

:kissing:

 

1080p @ flickr: https://www.flickr.c...536945/sizes/o/


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Yes, I agree with the overshadowing of Tevinter conflict - which seems like it would be too big for a DLC?

Spoiler

There is a lot of potential for conflict with TI

  • Solas restoring the power and immortality of the Elves and waking those in Uthenera
  • Hardened Leiliana becoming Divine since she will call for and enforce full legal, and civil rights for elves and mages under both Chantry and secular law and will have those that go against this assassinated. This indicates if Tevinter refused to ban slavery and give elves full rights of citizenship that she would not be beyond calling yet another Exalted March on them- especially since they don't follow the right Chant and claim Andraste was merely a great woman and not touched by the Maker at all.
  • Internal Conflict: As Dorian and the war table missions in the Imperium indicate there is a great deal of conflict between those who wish to maintain the historical status quo in the Tevinter Imperium and to pretend TI is still as great as it was in the days of Arlathan, and those like Dorian who sense that something is rotten in the state of the Imperium and it needs to be fixed. This could easily descend into open Civil War as Dorian and his fellows seek to redress historical inequalities. After all there are two previous examples, Arlathan, and the Mage-Templar War. W
  • Since Imperium slavers are known to operate outside of TI especially in Fereldan, and the Free Marches/Anderfels this could cause a conflict between these countries and TI if they become more open about it.
  • Grey Wardens - need I say more - if Architect was also one of the magisters who entered the Golden/Black City, and one was eaten by their fellow magisters after they became tainted- where are the other 4 .. are the wardens hiding those magisters as well? Is the imperium sheltering them???
  • I think all of these will play a role in DLC and DA4 simply because these conflicts all lead back to Tevinter and we are supposedly headed north eventually


#35816
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-theory-

 

I don't know.  It's just a theory building on someone else's theory, but it's starting to make a whole lot of sense to me.  Not sure if it's because I'm tired or what.  If it pans out, I guess it's bad news for anyone who wanted to headcanon little baby elves with Solas.  Unsure if Theoretical Manifested Spirit-God Solas could father any kids.

 

That's an incredible theory, quite far fetched and doesn't click in my mind like the ancient gods being powerful magicians, but still makes you think.

It makes me want to look into it more, if done right this could be incredible!

 

As for kids, I say meh. My elvish maiden never wanted kids from him, only his love, andtostaytogetherwithhim.



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@Shari'Hel

 

The original idea doesn't belong to me :) But we are making collage to show Weekes what he did to us and our hearts!CzMfR.gif

HE MUST FEEL OUR PAIN!  MmSWc.gif

 

 

So yeah, when we finish, we will tweet it to him :)

 

Ok then, time to pick up my VLC player and take some screen shots of my dear dear Lavellan almost crying.


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#35818
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Okay, so it's gonna take a couple hours to catch back up on 20+ pages of thread, but in the meantime I was thinking about someone's theory--I can't remember whose--who had been saying that maybe that one banter post-breakup between Solas and Cole was referring to Solas, not the Inquisitor, when Cole says "You became real."

 

At first I was like:  Nah, he's totally addressing the Inquisitor there.  And he does, in like the next line, I think?  But now I think that person may have been onto something there...

 

Bear with me now for a moment while I spin a Weird Theory:

 

Okay, so we kind of get the idea that the ancient elven gods could transfer bodies.  The Dark Ritual may have even been based on an elven ritual to transfer these spirits, or superspirits, or gods, or whatever they actually are, to a new host, if the body became weakened etc (or if they were like the Tevinter and qunari and breeding for better elves, and thus better hosts).  What if the ancient elven gods themselves really did have to have a host?

 

And what if Solas has somehow found a way around this?  Suddenly, his dialogue with Cole about how to remain "real" makes a lot more sense, because it means that Solas himself, as Fen'Harel, is running around as a soul without a body.  And if he can do this, and Cole can do this, well... the others can too.

 

That's extremely important relating to what I'm about to say next, so keep it in mind...

 

If this theory is true, then the reason that the ancient gods were harming the people is because they were corrupted by the bodies they inhabited.  Maybe this corruption is the source of the Blight, or maybe the Blight is the source of the corruption.  We just don't know.  However, in their natural state of existence, the elven gods, or spirits, or whatever, are pure and likely lean more toward being good than evil.  The problem is, they have to keep inhabiting a body...

 

If they didn't need to inhabit bodies, they could remain pure.  They could be freed of the taint.

 

Now of course, this theory makes less sense if they always had bodies, and somehow were able to transfer their souls anyway.   It makes more sense if elves actually are spirits who made themselves real over time.

 

If this theory is correct, then it could totally change everything we suspect about what Solas is up to.  Maybe he does intend to free the Creators/Old Gods... but he'll free them from their bodies when he does so, expecting them to be able to manifest the way he does.  Or maybe that's not what he's up to at all, because what he knows isn't what we thought we knew and may not even be something Cole would understand or think of.

 

One more thing that makes me think that this theory might actually be onto something:  There is a banter between Solas and Cole, and I'm not sure if it's yet another relationship banter or just a general banter.  They are discussing, effectively, sex and desire, and Solas ends up asking Cole if he hasn't felt any desire for a woman since he came across from the Fade.  So, one could infer from this that Solas, who also came across from the Fade, or some other realm, did come to feel desire over time, even if he wouldn't have before.  Or... that Solas is more than just a standard spirit, and Cole probably is, too.

 

I don't know.  It's just a theory building on someone else's theory, but it's starting to make a whole lot of sense to me.  Not sure if it's because I'm tired or what.  If it pans out, I guess it's bad news for anyone who wanted to headcanon little baby elves with Solas.  Unsure if Theoretical Manifested Spirit-God Solas could father any kids.

 

It was Ispan, I think, to give credit where it's due.  @w@   This is all crazy interesting. 

 

 Although it's natural to focus on how Cole is dealing with being on this side of the veil when they talk, here's definitely quite a bit to the Solas/Cole banter that I think we're intended to pick up on in terms of how Solas is related to the veil and the fade.  One of Cole's first comments is about how Solas "exists in both places", which Solas quickly (and suspiciously) attempts to explain away.  Losing internet in a second, but will be back to chew on things in a bit...



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Addendum to my addendum to Ispan's friend's theory:

 

Okay, so if the Creators are spirits who have had to inhabit bodies (perhaps elves too were originally spirits?  Perhaps they summoned these ones to lead and guide them?), then what if the Blight is the result of forcing spirits into a body not originally their own?

 

Think about it... that body, if living, has a soul.  Kieran is supposed to just have the Old God Soul, but when the soul of Urthemiel is gone, Kieran is a normal kid.  He still has a soul, apparently.  If the soul that the body belongs to and the soul of the spirit/superspirit/god/whatever it is are in conflict, maybe that produces corruption.  I mean, we've seen what true abominations are like, versus, say, Anders or Wynne who seem to be okay with spirits in their flesh.

 

If elves were always immortal, then that elven soul has a very long time to get angry about sharing flesh-space with a spirit-god that wants to trump the individual's personality with its own.

 

Maybe I was looking at it wrong; maybe the Dark Ritual was ALWAYS Dark, even before there was such a thing as the Blight.  And I think the Blight long predates the archdemons, what with what we now know of Andruil.



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  • Grey Wardens - need I say more - if Architect was also one of the magisters who entered the Golden/Black City, and one was eaten by their fellow magisters after they became tainted- where are the other 4 .. are the wardens hiding those magisters as well? Is the imperium sheltering them???

 

I probably have a horrible memory, and maybe because I've played DAO & Awakening a long time ago.. Where does it say that? :o

They ate the other magisters??



#35821
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Watching my recordings of the breakup scene again. It's so horrible why am I doing this to myself!?!?!


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#35822
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I'm on my second playthrough as a human, but Solas has quickly & inadvertently become my best friend, haha.  I was smirking to myself when I came across the dialogue: "...no real god need prove himself. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either mad or lying."

I don't usually play games a 2nd time, but I'm glad I am. There are so many conversations that make much better/complete sense in context after you finish the game. <3



 


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Okay, so it's gonna take a couple hours to catch back up on 20+ pages of thread, but in the meantime I was thinking about someone's theory--I can't remember whose--who had been saying that maybe that one banter post-breakup between Solas and Cole was referring to Solas, not the Inquisitor, when Cole says "You became real."

 

At first I was like:  Nah, he's totally addressing the Inquisitor there.  And he does, in like the next line, I think?  But now I think that person may have been onto something there...

 

Bear with me now for a moment while I spin a Weird Theory:

 

Spoiler

I was determined not to get attached to any theories, but... it makes so much sense... o.o  Would love to find that specific conversation, since I haven't heard it in-game yet.

 

I wonder if this banter could tie in somehow? Not sure who's being referred to, but Cole does mention "becoming real" again. (from DA Wiki)

 

Cole: It sees him ready to jump pain pulsing. A life of frustration can finally fall, to freeze.
Solas: Ah, yes.  
Cole: It holds him high, shows the whole were everything falls without him. He never needs to leave. He matters here. 
Solas: That is one interpretation, yes. 
Cole: You think it is different?
Solas: I think he fell and it held him as he died. Leaving him with images that told him his life was worth while. 
Cole: That's much sadder, but yes, clam comfort as the cold takes him away. They can only return to the maker if they become real. Why can't they be forgiven as they are? 
Solas: People say the lack the ability to learn or grow. 
Cole: Yes?
Solas: But the more contact you have with this world the more ability you gain. 

 

aw yeah. :D


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#35824
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Some more Solas for you crazy kids:
 
 
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(Maybe if I stopped taking screenshots I'd finish the damn game.)

I think I speak for all of us when I say DON'T STOP. But you could try explaining to us how you get these shots to look so fine. You've got a flycam cheat working, dontcha?
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I've started reposting my responses to Solas-related kmeme prompts on AO3 (no smut, because I am too giggly to actually write it). Figured I would pop a link in the Solas thread since you all share my affliction:

 

http://archiveofouro...rs/Aviena/works

 

I hope somebody enjoys them!


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