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[Brass_Buckles]

Okay, I just realized something from seeing some clips in Elisaveta's video.

 

... Those hand gestures Solas uses all the time when he casts cut-scene magic... even when he holds one hand out to the Breach...

 

I think Solas used to wear the Anchor on his hand, the way the Inquisitor is doing now.

 

Also, nothing can convince me that he didn't intentionally make the attachment between the Inquisitor and the Anchor permanent.  Perhaps he thought she might be able to use it, while he wasn't yet powerful enough to do so.  Perhaps he was setting her up as his ally so that he could make it through this alive?  I don't 100% know the reason.  I suspect if he wanted to, he could have removed it, and he probably still could remove it.  If anyone could, he'd be that person--and I'm sure he could easily have done so while the Inquisitor was down and out sick from her newly acquired mark.  Instead, he worked to keep her alive.  Now, initially, before the attraction set in... though who knows?  Maybe it was instant... his concern about her life could have been because if she died, his plan might fall through.

 

It fell through anyway.

[Han Yolo]

Solas destroyed me. He just left and didn't come back and Lavellan stood there all alone and then Flemeth and all and WTF and I ate a thousand calories of chocolate and now I'm feeling nauseous. Ugh I can't sleep. 

[catabuca]

I think I speak for all of us when I say DON'T STOP. But you could try explaining to us how you get these shots to look so fine. You've got a flycam cheat working, dontcha?

 

Here you go: http://www.bfcinematictools.com/dai/ - hattiwatti's cinematic tools for DAI. 

 

It hooks into frostbite and gives you access to the engine's graphical post-processing tools. Yup, that includes flycam. It's a bit fiddly, requires a lot of patience, and sometimes (read: often) bugs out. But I think it's worth it.

 

I made a post a little way up about my graphics settings. I also use sweetfx for smaa, lumasharpening, and a few other post-processing effects.

[Brass_Buckles]

Solas destroyed me. He just left and didn't come back and Lavellan stood there all alone and then Flemeth and all and WTF and I ate a thousand calories of chocolate and now I'm feeling nauseous. Ugh I can't sleep. 

 

There, there.  Join us in our theorizing and wishing for DLC to complete the relationship with Solas with an actual happy ending.

 

We're here for you.

[Shari'El]

Ok then, time to pick up my VLC player and take some screen shots of my dear dear Lavellan almost crying.

 

So I did, and wanted to share my experience as I rewatched that scene...

 

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Dat smile

 

Dat cheeky grin

 

Dat kiss

 

Dat butt grabbing

 

Dat REAL sad face (this makes his feelings quite obvious IMO)

 

And less related - them freckles! The lightening made them even more prominent!

I actually kinda like it, it's cute.

 

[RebbyWriter]

Meanwhile, on twitter..

 

Geener ‏@regeener 3h3 hours ago

My dream is to someday write something that people will try to fix with sobbing headcanon fanfiction at 3am to undo what i did

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Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes

@regeener It's a living.

 

 

 

[Elisaveta]

So how about something happy? A song about how a couple met. Girlfriend singing it, Boyfriend beat boxing in the back ground. I think it's so romantic because it's a true story.

 

Way off topic from Solas but I think it's a super cheerful song.

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[Brass_Buckles]

Since my mind has been working overtime while I was at work, I'll go ahead and share something else I just remembered thinking of:

 

We know wisdom corrupts into pride, and lots of us suspect Solas has some kind of kinship with a wisdom spirit, or IS a spirit of wisdom.  I was thinking, and I don't remember any of the Creators from the elven pantheon actually representing wisdom.  We've got justice/vengeance, the Hunt.  The closest we come to Wisdom would be Dirthamen's secrets, but secrets aren't quite the same as wisdom.  I like to think that wisdom is a thing more likely to be shared.

 

My conclusion:  Before becoming known as Fen'harel, god of rebellion, Solas was the elven god of wisdom, and perhaps also of pride.

[Tielis]

Since my mind has been working overtime while I was at work, I'll go ahead and share something else I just remembered thinking of:

 

We know wisdom corrupts into pride, and lots of us suspect Solas has some kind of kinship with a wisdom spirit, or IS a spirit of wisdom.  I was thinking, and I don't remember any of the Creators from the elven pantheon actually representing wisdom.  We've got justice/vengeance, the Hunt.  The closest we come to Wisdom would be Dirthamen's secrets, but secrets aren't quite the same as wisdom.  I like to think that wisdom is a thing more likely to be shared.

 

My conclusion:  Before becoming known as Fen'harel, god of rebellion, Solas was the elven god of wisdom, and perhaps also of pride.

 

I guess I'm not really understanding how pride or wisdom turns into rebellion.  Those seem awfully far-flung from each other.

[Brass_Buckles]

I guess I'm not really understanding how pride or wisdom turns into rebellion.  Those seem awfully far-flung from each other.

 

Well wisdom -> pride in thinking YOU know better/know all the answers -> put the plan into action.  If the elven pantheon are spirits, they are more like superspirits, or something.  More flexible than normal spirits, able to learn more, do more.

 

Solas's name translates to "Pride" or "to stand tall."  One can assume he took the name to acknowledge some self-observed hubris on his part.  Whether he originated as wisdom is unclear, since generally wisdom is something we expect to accumulate over time.  And yet, he calls Lavellan, who is much younger than he is, and much less experienced (even if she's in her 80s), wise.

[Tielis]

Well wisdom -> pride in thinking YOU know better/know all the answers -> put the plan into action.  If the elven pantheon are spirits, they are more like superspirits, or something.  More flexible than normal spirits, able to learn more, do more.

 

Solas's name translates to "Pride" or "to stand tall."  One can assume he took the name to acknowledge some self-observed hubris on his part.  Whether he originated as wisdom is unclear, since generally wisdom is something we expect to accumulate over time.  And yet, he calls Lavellan, who is much younger than he is, and much less experienced (even if she's in her 80s), wise.

 

I understand how pride can turn into wisdom and vice versa.  But spirits usually only embody one ideal at a time, so the opposite of rebellion would be complacency or comfort, I suppose.

[Shari'El]

Well wisdom -> pride in thinking YOU know better/know all the answers -> put the plan into action.  If the elven pantheon are spirits, they are more like superspirits, or something.  More flexible than normal spirits, able to learn more, do more.

 

Solas's name translates to "Pride" or "to stand tall."  One can assume he took the name to acknowledge some self-observed hubris on his part.  Whether he originated as wisdom is unclear, since generally wisdom is something we expect to accumulate over time.  And yet, he calls Lavellan, who is much younger than he is, and much less experienced (even if she's in her 80s), wise.

 

I can see what you are getting at, but thing is if he were to be spirit of wisdom he probably would've thought better of his plan to overthrow the gods and what it may bring. I think his wisdom is something he accumulated in his travels through the fade, he himself seems to suggest his mistake originated from rashness (which would not befit a spirit of wisdom, but it's only my opinion)

[Shari'El]

I understand how pride can turn into wisdom and vice versa.  But spirits usually only embody one ideal at a time, so the opposite of rebellion would be complacency or comfort, I suppose.

 

I think what Brass_Buckles suggests is that the elven gods went through the same process as Cole, and became less of a spirit, thus managing to explore more types of emotions and ideals. That the spirit's essence is the building blocks for the elven gods from which their personalities and actions sprouted from.

 

Though I can't really picture Solas as a pride demon (although his name does mean pride), his don't seem to be driven from pride, the other gods' actions do.

[CapricornSun]

Well a search for Space Butterfly gives us this...

 

http://omfgcata.wiki...Space_Butterfly

 

It may be this: http://omfgcata.wiki...Space_Butterfly

 

     The Space Butterfly (may its wings flap eternally as it dreams the world) is a fictional (?) deity created by Jesse Cox, during a boredom-fueled stupor while filming the Terraria series with Totalbiscuit.

 

     The myth states that reality itself is no more than the dream of a gigantic Space Butterfly, that roams through the stars and eats moon nectar, creating and dictating all that occurs.

 

 

Funny, I was listening to Jesse Cox on the Co-Optional podcast yesterday on YouTube and turns out, he happens to really like Solas. Just thought I'd mention.

 

THAT!

Is so true.

To be honest - every time I see a fanart of him with hair I cringe. Solas is perfect with all his shiny baldness, and I'm really not attracted to bald guys.. Or so I thought apparently.

 

I don't mind fanart of Solas with hair (I actually quite dig his concept art), but yes, bald Solas is the one I really like. Never thought I'd be attracted to a 40-something (or in this case, a 1000-or-so) year old bald elf dude.

 

Some new art from the same person who brought you this:

 

 

Artwork by Bloodrawen on Tumblr: (http://bloodrawen.tu...ed-yet-but-yeah)

 

BTW can I just say that I love all the theories that people have posted so far? It's such a joy reading all of these. I just hope that whatever story Bioware comes up with for Solas in the future will be satisfying for us. 

 

EDIT: Another fan art.

 

 

Artwork by Nokomento on Tumblr: (http://nokomento.tum...age-inquisition)

Modifié par CapricornSun83, 17 décembre 2014 - 01:58 .

[Renmiri1]

 

http://hipsternari.t...aw-this-all-day

[Brass_Buckles]

I think what Brass_Buckles suggests is that the elven gods went through the same process as Cole, and became less of a spirit, thus managing to explore more types of emotions and ideals. That the spirit's essence is the building blocks for the elven gods from which their personalities and actions sprouted from.

 

Though I can't really picture Solas as a pride demon (although his name does mean pride), his don't seem to be driven from pride, the other gods' actions do.

Actually, my theory is that the elven gods have to possess bodies, but Solas is somehow special and has gone through a Humanizing of Cole type process.

 

My theory about elves in general is that they are spirits-made-flesh.  That could be extended to the gods, but it seems the gods do have fleshly bodies, which can be corrupted.  If they didn't have bodies, they couldn't become Blighted.

[Mortarion]

I was determined not to get attached to any theories, but... it makes so much sense... o.o  Would love to find that specific conversation, since I haven't heard it in-game yet.

 

I wonder if this banter could tie in somehow? Not sure who's being referred to, but Cole does mention "becoming real" again. (from DA Wiki)

 

Cole: It sees him ready to jump pain pulsing. A life of frustration can finally fall, to freeze.

Solas: Ah, yes.  

Cole: It holds him high, shows the whole were everything falls without him. He never needs to leave. He matters here. 

Solas: That is one interpretation, yes. 

Cole: You think it is different?

Solas: I think he fell and it held him as he died. Leaving him with images that told him his life was worth while. 

Cole: That's much sadder, but yes, clam comfort as the cold takes him away. They can only return to the maker if they become real. Why can't they be forgiven as they are? 

Solas: People say the lack the ability to learn or grow. 

Cole: Yes?

Solas: But the more contact you have with this world the more ability you gain. 

 

aw yeah.

Ohh, to whom is that banter refering? Corypheus? Sorry, a bit curious

[Aviena]

Ohh, to whom is that banter refering? Corypheus? Sorry, a bit curious

 

Cole and Solas frequently banter about things we don't have the context for (a story about two brothers comes to mind, "fighting the Maker", though I don't remember the exact wording). I think the implication is meant to be that they are discussing memories or stories they saw in the Fade.

[Missy_MI]

 

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source: http://al-teya.tumbl...ge/105342463260

 

_{don't look at me I'm not drooling}

I haven't caught up to the end of the thread yet, but wanted to re-quote this beautiful image in case anyone else missed it. I am constantly blown away by all the great fan art and stories.

 

In a game-related topic: does anyone else find it odd that Solas is apparently a talented artist in his own right, but there is no conversation option to directly ask him about the Skyhold murals? I kept hoping I could bug him about them, but never saw a dialog about it, just the note.

[Cheerios789]

Since my mind has been working overtime while I was at work, I'll go ahead and share something else I just remembered thinking of:

 

We know wisdom corrupts into pride, and lots of us suspect Solas has some kind of kinship with a wisdom spirit, or IS a spirit of wisdom.  I was thinking, and I don't remember any of the Creators from the elven pantheon actually representing wisdom.  We've got justice/vengeance, the Hunt.  The closest we come to Wisdom would be Dirthamen's secrets, but secrets aren't quite the same as wisdom.  I like to think that wisdom is a thing more likely to be shared.

 

My conclusion:  Before becoming known as Fen'harel, god of rebellion, Solas was the elven god of wisdom, and perhaps also of pride.

 

Okay, let's break this down, because I like this.

 

So, first I'm going to ignore spirits and the question "is Solas a spirit?", because I don't think he is a spirit of wisdom or pride.  He is far too dynamic for such a simple solution.  Instead let's talk about domains.  If Solas' domain was Wisdom, then it follows that he would also be about Pride, because typically that is how Pantheon gods work.  For instance Athena was the Greek goddess of Wisdom, but she was so much more than that.  She was Wisdom, Strategy, Courage, etc. To truly encompass an ideal, as a god would, would they not have to embody the opposite, as well?  Let's look at Mythal.  She is known as the peacekeeper, but as we have seen she has a burning capacity for vengeance. 

 

So now I would like to get into what I think the gods were.  We have seen many spirits in DA and they are all simple.  They are not dynamic and are pointedly one-dimensional.  They have a personality and an ideal and they will never surprise us.  In DnD terms, they are Lawful, and yes I'd include the demons in this as well.  However, the gods are surprising or, at least, Solas seems to be.

 

So what is my point?  I think it is possible that Uthenera can only be obtained by strengthening ones spirit to a point where it can exist outside of your body and wholly in the Fade.  I think to accomplish this it is necessary to embody ideals, like spirits, in order to keep yourself separate from the fabric of the Fade.  Think of it as making yourself an extra strong version of yourself.  However, we are dynamic.  We have many ideals that make us who we are.  We can be Wisdom, Rage, and Compassion all at once.  So I think the gods did this to a degree that far surpassed any other immortal.  Doing so would have made them crazy powerful and possibly crazy. 

 

Anyways, yes, I could see how Fen'harel could have been Wisdom and Pride and a few other things as well, probably.  Or it could be the corruption that everyone is always talking about.  The thing I love about DA is that so many varying theories are valid, because it is such a rich universe. 

[CapricornSun]

Still catching up... ^^;

 

Does anyone else get a little flustered when Solas does that energizing veilfire animation?  I know the animation for every mage is the same, but when he does it, with those arms and those shoulders...hnnngh.  It's pretty good with Dorian too.

 

My god, I thought I was the only one who gets turned on when he does that. I also like the animation when he uses his magic to seal openings on walls with rocks (like on those Darkspawn-related quests). Hell, almost everything he does gives me a funny feeling... 

 

Regardless, people here say they do new playthroughs with Lavellan, something that will be hard for me as well.

My character's face is etched to my mind, and I shall forever see her with Solas, I can't bring myself to romance him with another elf

 

I'm the same way, even in DA:O and DA2. I can't bring myself to create another Lavellan to romance Solas. For me, Tala is the only one for him and any new Lavellans I create to romance him feels like I'm making him cheat on my first one. The best I could do is replay Tala's playthrough from the beginning. Not sure if I could recreate her face though, and I want her to look the same as when I first played her. 

[zambixi]

 

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I haven't caught up to the end of the thread yet, but wanted to re-quote this beautiful image in case anyone else missed it. I am constantly blown away by all the great fan art and stories.

 

In a game-related topic: does anyone else find it odd that Solas is apparently a talented artist in his own right, but there is no conversation option to directly ask him about the Skyhold murals? I kept hoping I could bug him about them, but never saw a dialog about it, just the note.

 

Lavellan: These are beautiful! How did you learn to paint like this? Even our hearthmistress would have been impressed with your technique. And the brushstrokes...

Solas: In my journeys through the fade I encountered many a spirit of Creativity and Craft

Lavellan: Ah, of course, I should have guessed

 

I imagine part of the reason he has so little dialogue is because his response to almost everything that happened pre-Inquisition would be "I learned it/saw it in the Fade"

[Eivuwan]

If Solas was a powerful spirit of some sort who became elf, then he probably regrets that process. He seems to like spirits more.

[Mortarion]

Cole and Solas frequently banter about things we don't have the context for (a story about two brothers comes to mind, "fighting the Maker", though I don't remember the exact wording). I think the implication is meant to be that they are discussing memories or stories they saw in the Fade.

Ahh, I see, thanks. I find the banter between Cole and Solas fascinating tbh

[Eivuwan]

Am I the only one who feels weird about this art? It looks to me like he's about to prepare her for human elf sacrifice. It's not how I imagine Solas. He's passionate, but gentle.

 

 

source: http://al-teya.tumbl...ge/105342463260