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[SamanthaJ]

 

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I am not yours

Shiver cold, I stand alone
Feel the slow dissolve
Black clouds rolling overhead
Part of me is gone

Like water now within my hands
You're nothing I can hold
As every second slips away
I've nothing left to show

I'm under without you now
I'm in a million pieces
Under, I'm not myself
If you say I am not yours

[Incomprehensible] the storm sets in
Unraveling my life
Cut my hands on broken glass
Holding on too tight

(And I'm barely)
I'm barely held with taken stream
Am I still alive?
(Barely breathing)
This heavy heart is caving in under this goodbye

I'm under without you now
I'm in a million pieces
Under, I'm not myself
If you say I am not yours

Under, without you now
Just echoes in the silence
Under, I'm nowhere now
If you say I am not yours

Why can't I just let go?
Won't you leave my head alone?
Please no more, I can't take anymore going around
(Around)
I'm getting nowhere fast, here I am

Under, without you now
I'm in a million pieces
Under, I'm not myself
If you say I am not yours

Why can't I just let go?
Won't you leave my head alone ?
Just echoes in the silence
Please no more, I can't take anymore going around
(Around)
I'm getting nowhere fast
(If you say I am not yours)

Why can't I just let go?
Won't you leave my head alone?
Please no more going around
(Around)
I'm getting nowhere fast

Under, without you now
I'm in a million pieces
I'm nowhere now
If you say I am not yours

 

Yeah, that about sums up all the feelings.

[Shari'El]

Okay, let's break this down, because I like this.

 

So, first I'm going to ignore spirits and the question "is Solas a spirit?", because I don't think he is a spirit of wisdom or pride.  He is far too dynamic for such a simple solution.  Instead let's talk about domains.  If Solas' domain was Wisdom, then it follows that he would also be about Pride, because typically that is how Pantheon gods work.  For instance Athena was the Greek goddess of Wisdom, but she was so much more than that.  She was Wisdom, Strategy, Courage, etc. To truly encompass an ideal, as a god would, would they not have to embody the opposite, as well?  Let's look at Mythal.  She is known as the peacekeeper, but as we have seen she has a burning capacity for vengeance. 

 

So now I would like to get into what I think the gods were.  We have seen many spirits in DA and they are all simple.  They are not dynamic and are pointedly one-dimensional.  They have a personality and an ideal and they will never surprise us.  In DnD terms, they are Lawful, and yes I'd include the demons in this as well.  However, the gods are surprising or, at least, Solas seems to be.

 

So what is my point?  I think it is possible that Uthenera can only be obtained by strengthening ones spirit to a point where it can exist outside of your body and wholly in the Fade.  I think to accomplish this it is necessary to embody ideals, like spirits, in order to keep yourself separate from the fabric of the Fade.  Think of it as making yourself an extra strong version of yourself.  However, we are dynamic.  We have many ideals that make us who we are.  We can be Wisdom, Rage, and Compassion all at once.  So I think the gods did this to a degree that far surpassed any other immortal.  Doing so would have made them crazy powerful and possibly crazy. 

 

Anyways, yes, I could see how Fen'harel could have been Wisdom and Pride and a few other things as well, probably.  Or it could be the corruption that everyone is always talking about.  The thing I love about DA is that so many varying theories are valid, because it is such a rich universe. 

 

Ooh, I like that. It's an interesting thought. And yes, all of the gods are a lot beyond the superficial description given to them (it's true in real life mythology as well), that superficial description is there so people would know who to pray to in times of need.

So do you think Solas embodies the ideal of wisdom? While it is true that is incredibly smart he wasn't very wise at the time (key difference, smart =/= wise, wisdom can only be gained accumulation, an Solas did refer to himself as young and rash when he did what he now believes to be a mistake [that's why I believe he wasn't "born" with wisdom]), I think that if wisdom was his strong point he wouldn't have made such a grave mistake. The consequences were unforeseeable for him, I'm sure he knew that if all of the gods disappear it would create cause (side note - I wonder if he entered Uthenera to make sure there will no gods the elven people could turn to. Though, it could be also because of he was weak after locking the gods away), it's the logical conclusion, what he couldn't conclude however is that without guidance at all there will be utter chaos that will roll to some kind of civil war.

[Warden Majere]

To be honest, I would see Solas more as a God of Compassion vs a God of Wisdom. Also, we are told in the Temple of Mythal that the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with Mythal's death. Much of what we learned in that place puts Elven "history" into question. Not to mention that we learn that his name is mistranslated. He is not the Lord of Tricksters, but the Lord of Rebellion, or Noble Struggles. I believe that he may have entered Uthenera due to the degradation of Elven society, and the death of his fellow gods. Entering into the Eternal Sleep and wandering the Fade would be an effective method of surviving whatever war waged across Elvhenan. 

[Shari'El]

Okay, I just realized something from seeing some clips in Elisaveta's video.

 

... Those hand gestures Solas uses all the time when he casts cut-scene magic... even when he holds one hand out to the Breach...

 

I think Solas used to wear the Anchor on his hand, the way the Inquisitor is doing now.

 

Also, nothing can convince me that he didn't intentionally make the attachment between the Inquisitor and the Anchor permanent.  Perhaps he thought she might be able to use it, while he wasn't yet powerful enough to do so.  Perhaps he was setting her up as his ally so that he could make it through this alive?  I don't 100% know the reason.  I suspect if he wanted to, he could have removed it, and he probably still could remove it.  If anyone could, he'd be that person--and I'm sure he could easily have done so while the Inquisitor was down and out sick from her newly acquired mark.  Instead, he worked to keep her alive.  Now, initially, before the attraction set in... though who knows?  Maybe it was instant... his concern about her life could have been because if she died, his plan might fall through.

 

It fell through anyway.

 

You make some valid points but I try to think of the reason why the Foci got to Corypheblabla. Solas was unable to use the orb himself (for whatever reason, weakness, changes in the world [maybe his powers came from a source that no longer exists in this world or whatever]...) so he gave the orb to Corypheliphiliousness with thought that maybe he could tap into its' power.

If Solas could've removed the mark and didn't do so, it would be odd he would give the orb to Corypheecks. Also, as you recall Coryphemiss could remove the Herald's marking, and he is much more powerful. Maybe it's because she already used it too much, so its' etched into the Herald's hand, or perhaps not, maybe it was like that from the start.

And if we believe that the reason he couldn't remove the marking was because of the Herald's usage of the marking (which in turn can also mean Solas could've removed it), why didn't Solas took the mark to himself?

Solas always speaks on how he must walk this path alone, it makes no sense for him to let the Herald keep the mark, thus forcing him to travel with companions.

In fact, if taking the mark would've meant gaining some of his powers back he would've achieved some part of his goal.

 

That's how I see it atleast (it relies heavily on my own interpretation of Solas' character)

[Cheerios789]

You make some valid points but I try to think of the reason why the Foci got to Corypheblabla. Solas was unable to use the orb himself (for whatever reason, weakness, changes in the world [maybe his powers came from a source that no longer exists in this world or whatever]...) so he gave the orb to Corypheliphiliousness with thought that maybe he could tap into its' power.

If Solas could've removed the mark and didn't do so, it would be odd he would give the orb to Corypheecks. Also, as you recall Coryphemiss could remove the Herald's marking, and he is much more powerful. Maybe it's because she already used it too much, so its' etched into the Herald's hand, or perhaps not, maybe it was like that from the start.

And if we believe that the reason he couldn't remove the marking was because of the Herald's usage of the marking (which in turn can also mean Solas could've removed it), why didn't Solas took the mark to himself?

Solas always speaks on how he must walk this path alone, it makes no sense for him to let the Herald keep the mark, thus forcing him to travel with companions.

In fact, if taking the mark would've meant gaining some of his powers back he would've achieved some part of his goal.

 

That's how I see it atleast (it relies heavily on my own interpretation of Solas' character)

 

Of course that's assuming that he could move the mark from the quizzy to him.  Perhaps he could have removed it, but then it would snap back to the orb or disappear.  Like dispelling magic is possible, but moving a curse from one person to another is not something we've seen in DA so far.  (I think... I may be wrong.  Can't think of one.)  I think Solas thought, "Well this sucks.  ****, guess I'll play this out.  Maybe I'll raise this person up and use their power for my own gains."  At least in the beginning.

 

Then later he remembered that he had feelings.  Stupid stupid mortal feelings.  I mean that for any quizzy, by the way, and doubly so for Lavellan.

[Warden Majere]

You make some valid points but I try to think of the reason why the Foci got to Corypheblabla. Solas was unable to use the orb himself (for whatever reason, weakness, changes in the world [maybe his powers came from a source that no longer exists in this world or whatever]...) so he gave the orb to Corypheliphiliousness with thought that maybe he could tap into its' power.

If Solas could've removed the mark and didn't do so, it would be odd he would give the orb to Corypheecks. Also, as you recall Coryphemiss could remove the Herald's marking, and he is much more powerful. Maybe it's because she already used it too much, so its' etched into the Herald's hand, or perhaps not, maybe it was like that from the start.

And if we believe that the reason he couldn't remove the marking was because of the Herald's usage of the marking (which in turn can also mean Solas could've removed it), why didn't Solas took the mark to himself?

Solas always speaks on how he must walk this path alone, it makes no sense for him to let the Herald keep the mark, thus forcing him to travel with companions.

In fact, if taking the mark would've meant gaining some of his powers back he would've achieved some part of his goal.

 

That's how I see it atleast (it relies heavily on my own interpretation of Solas' character)

I do believe for a fact that Solas possessed the Anchor at some point, as it is directly related to the power of the Foci. It seems unlikely that Solas would have taken the Mark at the beginning of the game, as he was already under the scrutiny of the Seekers. He lacked the power at that point to wield the Foci and Anchor properly, and one alone might have been no good to him. He was likely still recovering from Uthenera, and couldn't risk all of the unknown variables surrounding the Inquisitor. It is also very likely that he DID attempt to remove the Anchor. Remember how Solas tended you while you were unconscious? He claimed to had been studying the Mark, while keeping it from killing you. This would have been the perfect time to attempt and steal the mark. He could have taken the Anchor, and claimed to have healed you. Meanwhile the Quizzy has no memories of ever even getting the Mark. Problem solved

[Shari'El]

First I was shocked at how BioWare was able to wrench my focus from the characters/events of Origins & DA2 to the Inquisition.  Then my Lavellan romanced Solas & the nuances of his character & their relationship blew me away.  Then the huge Fen'Harel reveal at the end literally had me going - okay, I officially no longer give a crap about anything else in this whole series but what happens to Solas.  As far as I'm concerned, Solas is the main character of Dragon Age from here on out. The rest of the characters, including my PC, are merely minor stars in his constellation.  And you know what - I like it.

 

This. First playthrough wasn't romancing Solas, felt epic.

Second playthrough - knew exactly what will happen, felt even more epic just because of Solas.

 

And I heard "confirmation" that BW planned for DA4 to take place in the more northern regions, like Tevinter, etc, so it would make sense to have this already done. I also personally think the next game is going to focus on dwarves and qunari, because pretty much all the others have gotten their day (DAO was Wardens, DA2 was humans, DAI is elves). Also, I do think dwarves kind of hold the key to this whole magic vs fade vs blight thing.

 

And dwarves friggin deserve love. We didn't even get a dwarf romance-able! Varric broke my heart one too many times   (though it does not matter now since my heart is enslaved to Solas).

 

 

Yeah, I guess I can see the appeal for some. When I look at the art, I'm like it's so beautiful, but it's not Solas. I see Solas as the white wolf, and not the black one. But that might be because I didn't see his angry side much since I didn't ****** him off in the game haha.

 

I definitely see him as the white wolf. The tarot card broke my heart one it appeared in my game, I think that the tarot card when he is romanced represents him better, another secret that brings his romance apart from all the others (well, there were so little romance scenes, so they'd had to make it up with something - that something is freakin' lore baby!)

 

 

I'm really choosy with my fanfic (so choosy that I haven't read any in years), but I found this one fic that's just perfect. It's so in-character. Confident, but not domineering. Gentle, but passionate. And always holding back right up to the point where he isn't. In my mind, it really crystallizes what I don't like about the whole Dominant!Solas thing. You can do sexy while not going into power dynamics.

 

Mmm.. sounds like my kind of read 

[Sable Rhapsody]

It is also very likely that he DID attempt to remove the Anchor. Remember how Solas tended you while you were unconscious? He claimed to had been studying the Mark, while keeping it from killing you. This would have been the perfect time to attempt and steal the mark. He could have taken the Anchor, and claimed to have healed you. Meanwhile the Quizzy has no memories of ever even getting the Mark. Problem solved

 

Yeah, I can definitely see this happening, only for Solas to discover that (like Corypheus) he can't take the Anchor from Quizzy for some reason.  So then he figures, if he can't beat the Inquisition, he may as well join them.

 

But for all the practical benefits of saving the Inquisitor, there's compassion and atonement in there too.  He's gotta be feeling pretty guilty at the beginning of the game; the Breach is right there, as are all the soldiers and terrified people.  And the Inquisitor is the physical embodiment of all his mistakes, someone suffering an agonizing death because they got unlucky enough to be caught up in his mess.

[Shari'El]

Solas is the hero Thedas deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.

 

lolz, I don't think it fits, but it's funny.

 

 

IT IS PERFECTION

 

"Until one day Inquisitor Lavellan did not return from her journeys.  Some say that she was finally caught by the Venatori, others claim that the Abyssal Dragon rose again to seek vengeance, or that she stepped into a rift to claim her seat at Andraste's side, and the most improbable tale yet is that a wolf took her."

 

But seriously, I think they'll either have to kill the Inquisitor or else let us play them again Shepard-style and I don't see that happening.  Quizzy is too powerful and the Inquisition is too powerful.  I can't see how it could go away without creating a power vacuum and I can't see how we could play another char when the quizzy is off doing awesome things without us.  It would rankle and it would require the writers to make decisions for the quizzy that might not fit with her char.  So yeah ... death? 

 

Or you know there's always the wolf.  I'll take that option, please.

 

Yes, and thing is I know she can probably best my previous DA characters in a battle, plus she is in a position of power, she can't disappear, she has way wayyy too many followers. Plus, unlike my other characters I really love the Inqi (she [can] be INCREDIBLE person-wise, and as said she is really wise)... 

[Sashimi_taco]

I made a thing.

 

Ar Arla ma

Ar Arla ma, Ar shiral ma Setheneran,

Ar Arla ma, illuv ma inan ar Lethallin.

Eluv din ena era eth

Ar arla ma, ma vir sahlin

Ma ar’arlath melana, ma ar’arlath melava Setheneran

—- 

Ar arla ma, ma vir sahlin

Ma ar’arlath melana, ma ar’arlath melava

Ma ar’arlath ena Setheneran

—- 

Ar Arla ma, Ar shiral ma Setheneran,

Ar Arla ma, illuv ma inan ar Lethallin.

Eluv din ena era eth

Ar arla ma, ma vir sahlin

Ma ar’arlath melana, ma ar’arlath melava Setheneran

[Shari'El]

I'm going to be an enabler bwahahaha 

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Oh GAWD.

I'm so happy I'm not the only person raving about this scene.

His stride, his elegance. I've been overwhelmed by it even in the first playthrough.

 

 

 

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I'm not the type to stare at asses, but seriously - even before this gif I found my eyes drawn to Solas' ass.

It hasn't happened to me with neither Alistair not Fenris (my top choices for the previous game)!

- saves gif on computer -

 

 

*coughs*

 

So I just experienced a very odd moment..I went to go talk to Solas at the Orlesian Ball and my Female elf who has an American accent just turned into a British male accent when she asked Solas if he would like to dance.

 

....I'm laughing my butt off I...don't know. What? O.O

 

LOL! 

 

Ya'll have probably experienced this too....weird.

 

 

Can you reproduce this?? Is this record-able?? I must experience thatttt

[Shari'El]

To be honest, I would see Solas more as a God of Compassion vs a God of Wisdom. 

 

That. I feel that entirely.

[Renmiri1]

IT IS PERFECTION

 

 

Yes, and thing is I know she can probably best my previous DA characters in a battle, plus she is in a position of power, she can't disappear, she has way wayyy too many followers. Plus, unlike my other characters I really love the Inqi (she [can] be INCREDIBLE person-wise, and as said she is really wise)... 

Dread Wolf took her 

[Aetheria]

And dwarves friggin deserve love. We didn't even get a dwarf romance-able! Varric broke my heart one too many times   (though it does not matter now since my heart is enslaved to Solas).

Well Blackwall has a pretty impressive beard, so there's that at least... 

 

Actually I think dwarf!Inquisitor/Blackwall might end up being super cute.

[Shari'El]

Of course that's assuming that he could move the mark from the quizzy to him.  Perhaps he could have removed it, but then it would snap back to the orb or disappear.  Like dispelling magic is possible, but moving a curse from one person to another is not something we've seen in DA so far.  (I think... I may be wrong.  Can't think of one.)  I think Solas thought, "Well this sucks.  ****, guess I'll play this out.  Maybe I'll raise this person up and use their power for my own gains."  At least in the beginning.

 

Then later he remembered that he had feelings.  Stupid stupid mortal feelings.  I mean that for any quizzy, by the way, and doubly so for Lavellan.

 

I don't think the mark is a curse, it seems to have no side effects, it acts as a key. Plus, me thinks that it would be weird if the mark just disappears, 1) the Inqi still has the mark after the end game (which makes it feel that the bound between the mark and the orb are broken), 2) Coryphemieous said 'it's your fault Herald. You've interrupted a ritual years in the planning, and instead of dying you stole its' purpose'. This makes me think that anchor was an intended result of the ritual (not an accident of the Herald's intervention), born out of the sacrifice of the Divine. Corypheous (can't think of nicknames) wanted it back so he could do what Herald did - walk in the fade. Makes me think why this mark is called an anchor, by the way. 

 

As for Solas, if you theorize is true then...

Mmmmm... Perhaps. But I get the feeling that if it were his motivation he would've been super manipulative, like agrees with anything just so he could keep close to the Inquisitor. Maybe even act more like Morrigan.

[Shari'El]

I do believe for a fact that Solas possessed the Anchor at some point, as it is directly related to the power of the Foci. It seems unlikely that Solas would have taken the Mark at the beginning of the game, as he was already under the scrutiny of the Seekers. He lacked the power at that point to wield the Foci and Anchor properly, and one alone might have been no good to him. He was likely still recovering from Uthenera, and couldn't risk all of the unknown variables surrounding the Inquisitor. It is also very likely that he DID attempt to remove the Anchor. Remember how Solas tended you while you were unconscious? He claimed to had been studying the Mark, while keeping it from killing you. This would have been the perfect time to attempt and steal the mark. He could have taken the Anchor, and claimed to have healed you. Meanwhile the Quizzy has no memories of ever even getting the Mark. Problem solved

 

Yes, I did think about that. It's probable, and sits better with his personality, however if such thing were to happen all blame will turn on him XD Like super fast 'you can remove that thing? What do you know that you don't tell us? Answer or die!'

 

Though I'm also positive he was protecting her from dying, and perhaps putting his knowledge of the Foci to see whether you can channel energy through that marking.

That image makes me swoon for some unexplained reason.

[Ispan]

Ha! I remember saying that myself, way back when. Though really, I don't think he engages in the dominance stuff at all.

 

I'm really choosy with my fanfic (so choosy that I haven't read any in years), but I found this one fic that's just perfect. It's so in-character. Confident, but not domineering. Gentle, but passionate. And always holding back right up to the point where he isn't. In my mind, it really crystallizes what I don't like about the whole Dominant!Solas thing. You can do sexy while not going into power dynamics.

 

Here I am trying to cut back on my DA obsession a bit and then you link this!  That-- um, that was-- nice.  Very nice    Maybe I'll just...bookmark that...

 

Thank you   It's a long road to recovery

[Solassan]

*coughs*

 

So I just experienced a very odd moment..I went to go talk to Solas at the Orlesian Ball and my Female elf who has an American accent just turned into a British male accent when she asked Solas if he would like to dance.

 

....I'm laughing my butt off I...don't know. What? O.O

 

LOL! 

 

Ya'll have probably experienced this too....weird.

 

Yeah that happened to me too....

[Shari'El]

... 

 

But for all the practical benefits of saving the Inquisitor, there's compassion and atonement in there too.  He's gotta be feeling pretty guilty at the beginning of the game; the Breach is right there, as are all the soldiers and terrified people.  And the Inquisitor is the physical embodiment of all his mistakes, someone suffering an agonizing death because they got unlucky enough to be caught up in his mess.

 

Yes exactly! That's probably why I some issues with the depiction of him as wanting to manipulate the Herald. As far as I see it, what fits best with his personality is that he just wants to fix things. After his talks with Inqi he decides on trying to regain the orb, in order to fix things on entirely different scale.

 

 (Why can't I decide on either Herald or Inqi? What's wrong with me XD)

[SamanthaJ]

It's so cute to take Solas and Cole around when you help people in the Hinterlands because they both gain approval for the same deeds. Cole is always vocal about it: "I like it when we help people", "I'm glad we did that."

[GenericEnemy]

I'm sure I'm late to the party but did anyone notice that the thing he wears around his neck is a wolf-jaw necklace? 

 

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All of these clues I missed. 

[Shari'El]

Well Blackwall has a pretty impressive beard, so there's that at least... 

 

Actually I think dwarf!Inquisitor/Blackwall might end up being super cute.

 

I did dwarf!Inqi/Blackwall on my first run, I disliked it

Instead of tweaking the animation in two-three scenes they just made Inqi float 20 inches in the air so he could kiss her. It felt horribly awkward.

Besides that I didn't really feel the romance, besides the fact that Solas entirely mesmerized me there was also the part in which

 

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We find out Blackwall's secret. And although I'm a compassionate person I couldn't feel for him. Yeah, he felt guilt but unlike the other semi-villains he had no other reason to do what he did besides money! The others were driven by idealism, like Anders [and I could barely forgive him, it wrecked me - I reallllly liked Anders in Awakening and then he turned out to be this broody brooooody little man, but because he was so wonderful in Awakening I had hopped he could change]...

I only released him because I decided my Inqi (who I was roleplaying as to a character similar to myself :|) was in love with him, and when I'm in love I make stupid decisions.

[Arahnea]

Even if Solas tried to remove the mark while "studying" it when the Inquisitor was knocked out, he decided to not only stay but also not to manipulate the Inquisitor to do his biding. In Haven he tells them that he is curious to the kind of hero they will end up like. If the Inquisitor is on bad terms with him later he mocks them and is pissed off but he doesn't try to force or manipulate in a certain direction other than to aid them to defeat Coryfish.

 

I think that if he wanted he could easily play people like Vivienne does but he doesn't. Instead, he observes and helps along the way.

I guess that, for me at least, it's the reason why I didn't feel betrayed by him the end of the game. I was just sad.

[Aviena]

I think that if he wanted he could easily play people like Vivienne does but he doesn't. Instead, he observes and helps along the way.

I guess that, for me at least, it's the reason why I didn't feel betrayed by him the end of the game. I was just sad.

 

Yeah. I struggle to understand why people say he "betrayed" the Inquisitor. Sure, he didn't tell anyone the whole truth, but nothing he did (*after* joining the Inquisition, /cough) put anybody in jeopardy. He said he was going to help close the Breach/put down Corypheus...and that's exactly what he did.

 

You could argue that by holding back information about what the Orb was, he endangered or delayed the progress of the cause somehow... but I don't see how.

[MidgetNemo]

So I just had a thought, what if he returns in a dlc and asks the inquisitor to help him since the anchor is the only surviving piece of that orb of his and it might be needed to, I don´t know,release the elven gods or something? I just have a feeling that whatever happens, the inquisitor might lose their mark