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[Hedinve]

He might be a villain, he might be the next big bad or whatever, but at least he let's you do your own thing. Being who he is, I'm sure he is capable. If anyone is pushing you it's Cass and she doesn't do it manipulatively either. 

 

Btw, something that makes me laugh in this game, this is how I feel sometimes;

 

"Hi I'm the Inquisitor, I'm here to steal all your stuff, read your personal letters and leaf through your books and journals, then I might help you with stuff you didn't ask me to - I'm a hero you see!"

Not complaining really, I get stressed out by stealing stuff in Fallout and Elders Scrolls games.

 

Coles comments are really cute up until; "So many legs!" said in an unbelievably enthusiastic tone. Yeah I met Snowball. I hate spiders in this game, my phobia is getting worse. 

[scintilla]

Yeah. I struggle to understand why people say he "betrayed" the Inquisitor. Sure, he didn't tell anyone the whole truth, but nothing he did (*after* joining the Inquisition, /cough) put anybody in jeopardy. He said he was going to help close the Breach/put down Corypheus...and that's exactly what he did.

 

You could argue that by holding back information about what the Orb was, he endangered or delayed the progress of the cause somehow... but I don't see how.

 

I think people feel betrayed because he gave Corypheus the orb and didn't tell the truth about who he was/what he'd done? "Betrayal" says something a lot more active than that to me but I get where they're coming from.

[Hedinve]

I get it too, but I hold off on my assessment of his actions until I know what hell he is up to. So I'll sit here for the next 4 years I guess...

[Aviena]

Yeah. I don't frequent the boards enough to know what the common stance on Blackwall is but I'd be interested to know whether people think he "betrayed" them or just lied. Hmm.

[jawsisinmywc]

So I after explaining a little bit about the Dalish and Elves and what not, I ended up showing my husband, who doesn't play DA, the pivotal scene-who-shall-not-be-named and then I started crying. I was expecting him to think it was silly that I was so upset about a character in a game, but instead he said "That scene was done very beautifully. I've cried because of events in movies and shows...it is expected that you would cry about such a character and that you would become so attached to characters with whom you have spent 80+ hours with. It also means that the writers did a really good job". This all coming from my Vulcan-like physicist husband! 

Then I confessed that I obsessively check this thread and have frequently posted on it to which he replied "You do realize that BioWare has statistics on this stuff and its not that hard to see how many first time posters posted on this thread and you are basically guaranteeing that more characters like him will be written" I was like "NOOOOO, I can't go through this again!" I am contemplating writing a strongly worded letter to Weekes with tears enclosed in the envelope! 

[Shari'El]

By the way (jeez I post a lot, like A LOT)..

 

I thought about it some more (I probably slept on it since I woke up with these things in my head) and I've come to some ideas.

There is the fact that the Inqi's mark is permanent, while it could be so that the player can close rifts after end game it feels a bit off - they had no issues removing other things after the end of the game -ahemsolasahem ahemconversationsahem ahemmyromancedblackwalldisappearedfromskyholdalthoughstillinpartyaheem-, and since the breach is finally closed it'd be more likely these rifts will close (I closed all of the rifts before the game's end, but I suppose they stay open, right?).

So, me thinks it's a plot device within all of that Solas mystery solving arc that should be. I'm not sure what kind of relations the anchor has to Solas after the ritual but it is a key, to open things and to close them. Don't you wonder if that applies for things other than the fade?

 

Besides that, there is the Well of Sorrows. If your Inqi drank from it they are bound to Mythal and to Solas in return, if Morrigan drank from it she is bound. That connection could play a part in how they discover Solas. Also, since Inqi/Morrigan own the knowledge of the Well of Sorrows they might be able to find more about Solas in general. More than anyone could find out in the current era. Inqi/Morrigan is sort of a connecting bridge to Solas' past.

 

And besides all that, all that friggin' talk of 'spoilers!!' whenever Weeks is asked something about Solas is... Intriguing. He could be trolling but if he does he will invoke the super-special-awesome rage of lots and lots and fangirls and fanboys.

 

 

 

This all brings me to think that

THERE MUST BE A DLC, or a game with Inqi as main (less probable of course).

Inqi is probably the best way to bridge this, and seems that after Mythal got.. eaten or whatever... that Inqi's the only one who could actually move the plot around him.

Even if Inqi hasn't romanced Solas.

 

 

Seriously, I spend so much time reassuring myself that it isn't over, so I could pick up my Lavellan's playthrough after that 3rd romance scene and continue playing.

[Warden Majere]

Rather than betrayal, he simply keeps Quizzy in the dark about everything that he believes to be "not relevant" to their current situation.

I need some sleep, then I may continue with my insightful posts on Solas and Magic

[scintilla]

I get it too, but I hold off on my assessment of his actions until I know what hell he is up to. So I'll sit here for the next 4 years I guess...

 

Well. Technically he didn't betray anyone during the course of the game?

 

Yeah. I don't frequent the boards enough to know what the common stance on Blackwall is but I'd be interested to know whether people think he "betrayed" them or just lied. Hmm.

 

Blackwall didn't cause the Breach and pretend he didn't, which may have an affect on how people view things. His motivations were also pretty clear, regardless of the lies he told. After the stinger, it can be harder to say exactly what Solas was doing.

[Hedinve]

Blackwall's story echoes Solas' in a smaller scale. It's easier, perhaps, to get angry at him because of his reasons for doing what he did. I do let him redeem himself. For me, it's a lie, not a betrayal. If you use the treaties you are left with a dilemma, but Solas may have done something to endanger the whole world, not just embarrass the Inquisition, depending the details on how he gave the orb to Cory.

 

And no, if Solas betrayed anyone, it's before the game as far as we know. 

[Shari'El]

Yeah. I struggle to understand why people say he "betrayed" the Inquisitor. Sure, he didn't tell anyone the whole truth, but nothing he did (*after* joining the Inquisition, /cough) put anybody in jeopardy. He said he was going to help close the Breach/put down Corypheus...and that's exactly what he did.

 

You could argue that by holding back information about what the Orb was, he endangered or delayed the progress of the cause somehow... but I don't see how.

 

Exactly what I feel. He shared whatever he could and was entirely helpful through the whole process. Even when he disagrees with Inqi he only voices it (and sometimes even not that). There was seriously nothing he could share extra that could've made this process easier for the Inqi (I thought about it hard, I'm pretty positive of this. He has an excuse for nearly any advice he would give the Inqi [and a lot of them are something like 'in my travels through the fade......']), he just has bigger plans and couldn't afford making his face known for those plans. If his face is known people would know who to pin it on, and since he sees most people as unwise and unaware he knows that sort of thing would backfire. Even if he appreciates the Inqi [and maybe could've told him/her and they would understand], there are his other teammates who would not agree with his ways.

[Shari'El]

"Hi I'm the Inquisitor, I'm here to steal all your stuff, read your personal letters and leaf through your books and journals, then I might help you with stuff you didn't ask me to - I'm a hero you see!"

Not complaining really, I get stressed out by stealing stuff in Fallout and Elders Scrolls games.

 

 

[Hedinve]

Perfect! I laughed.

I want a dress! All I get is daggers, daggers and more daggers. What's up with the daggers?!

 

Thing is, I never had that feeling more profoundly than in this game, Crestwood in particular.

 

I keep editing, sorry. I think the feeling is stronger in this game because they made the NPCs a little less cardboard.  

[Shari'El]

So I after explaining a little bit about the Dalish and Elves and what not, I ended up showing my husband, who doesn't play DA, the pivotal scene-who-shall-not-be-named and then I started crying. I was expecting him to think it was silly that I was so upset about a character in a game, but instead he said "That scene was done very beautifully. I've cried because of events in movies and shows...it is expected that you would cry about such a character and that you would become so attached to characters with whom you have spent 80+ hours with. It also means that the writers did a really good job". This all coming from my Vulcan-like physicist husband! 

Then I confessed that I obsessively check this thread and have frequently posted on it to which he replied "You do realize that BioWare has statistics on this stuff and its not that hard to see how many first time posters posted on this thread and you are basically guaranteeing that more characters like him will be written" I was like "NOOOOO, I can't go through this again!" I am contemplating writing a strongly worded letter to Weekes with tears enclosed in the envelope! 

 

Oh my god ;_;

Everytime I play a game that makes me like this I really want to share with someone, but I always feel like my boyfriend will 'laugh' at me.

You got a good man there.

[Shari'El]

Blackwall's story echoes Solas' in a smaller scale. It's easier, perhaps, to get angry at him because of his reasons for doing what he did. I do let him redeem himself. For me, it's a lie, not a betrayal. If you use the treaties you are left with a dilemma, but Solas may have done something to endanger the whole world, not just embarrass the Inquisition, depending the details on how he gave the orb to Cory.

 

And no, if Solas betrayed anyone, it's before the game as far as we know. 

 

While it is true, Solas if did betray someone it indeed was before the game began, also, I tend to feel Solas goals are of good nature, unlike Blackwall (who did what he did out of greed), so it's harder for me to stay mad at Solas. Also, Solas is very calculated, he didn't do anything to get in the Inquisition's way after it has been established, Blackwall could've denied the Inquisition the use of treaties.

 

Also, not sure why, maybe it's the beard, but when animated Solas seems a lot more like a complex person, who, when experiences sadness, really experiences it. It shows on his face really well, especially when he breaks up with Lavellan. Blackwall however, I don't get that from him. As said, it could be character design, it could be character writing. I just didn't feel him.

 

Also,

Spoiler

He freakin' slept with her and then left like an reckless idiot, guhhhhh. At least Solas had the decency to end it officially instead of pulling an act of disappearance (that he pulled later, and for seriously better reasons than Blackwall).

[Minxie]

 

Besides that, there is the Well of Sorrows. If your Inqi drank from it they are bound to Mythal and to Solas in return, if Morrigan drank from it she is bound. That connection could play a part in how they discover Solas. Also, since Inqi/Morrigan own the knowledge of the Well of Sorrows they might be able to find more about Solas in general. More than anyone could find out in the current era. Inqi/Morrigan is sort of a connecting bridge to Solas' past.

 

I've been thinking about this a bit, too. Because I imagine this is something a logical Inquisitor would try to utilize to find him, or just find out more about what's going on with him.

Spoiler

But on the other hand, I think Flemythal implied that she has control over what the Well tells you? ("the voices from the Well directed me here and you direct them") So in theory, if Solas didn't want you to uncover any more information about him via the Well he could probably prevent it...

[Aviena]

and for seriously better reasons than Blackwall

 

 

We hope 

 

We could be very, very wrong!

[Shari'El]

Perfect! I laughed.

I want a dress! All I get is daggers, daggers and more daggers. What's up with the daggers?!

 

Thing is, I never had that feeling more profoundly than in this game, Crestwood in particular.

 

I keep editing, sorry. I think the feeling is stronger in this game because they made the NPCs a little less cardboard.  

 

Everything's a little less cardboard, everywhere.

They got conversations, it's lovely. They are not nearly as fleshed out as Skyrim's NPCs but it's still nice.

I still recall a conversation I've heard in Haven.

 

You hear some woman say 'I saw you coming out of Iron Bull's tent last night'

'Well, yeah I just wanted to thank him for his help with the [I don't remember]'

'So you just thanked him?'

'Yes, I thanked him a bit, he thanked me a bit and then I thanked him a bit more'

'Oh you!'

 

I felt distress at first and then I laughed in a weird embarrassment. I'm not so good with sexuality.

But that bit gave some depth both to Iron Bull and that random NPC woman, it was nice.

[Cheerios789]

So I after explaining a little bit about the Dalish and Elves and what not, I ended up showing my husband, who doesn't play DA, the pivotal scene-who-shall-not-be-named and then I started crying. I was expecting him to think it was silly that I was so upset about a character in a game, but instead he said "That scene was done very beautifully. I've cried because of events in movies and shows...it is expected that you would cry about such a character and that you would become so attached to characters with whom you have spent 80+ hours with. It also means that the writers did a really good job". This all coming from my Vulcan-like physicist husband! 

Then I confessed that I obsessively check this thread and have frequently posted on it to which he replied "You do realize that BioWare has statistics on this stuff and its not that hard to see how many first time posters posted on this thread and you are basically guaranteeing that more characters like him will be written" I was like "NOOOOO, I can't go through this again!" I am contemplating writing a strongly worded letter to Weekes with tears enclosed in the envelope! 

 

I did the same thing with my boyfriend.  I kept quiet for almost three weeks and then I sat him down and explained exactly why this story is so engrossing.  The whole time he's just sitting there with the biggest sh-t-eating grin on his face.  Then he says, "So that's what you've been doing on the computer!  You're writing fanfiction and posting on boards."  I hate that man.  No, I loove him.  He listens to me ramble and remembers stupid crap that I say.  He's amaaaaaazing.  Though no Fade-tongue yet.  I'm hopeful.

[Solassan]

 

This reminded me of a certain someone....

(I know it's a fox not a wolf but it's all cute and fluffy and I wanna cuddle it.)

[Shari'El]

I've been thinking about this a bit, too. Because I imagine this is something a logical Inquisitor would try to utilize to find him, or just find out more about what's going on with him. But on the other hand, I think Flemythal implied that she has control over what the Well tells you? ("the voices from the Well directed me here and you direct them") So in theory, if Solas didn't want you to uncover any more information about him via the Well he could probably prevent it...

 

Mmm.. Perhaps. That's a good point.

However, it's only relevant to when Morrigan drinks from the well (this happened on m first playthrough). When my second Inqi drank from it she ended up in speaking with Flemeth in the fade, and there was no indication this happened because the voices of the well directed her there.

I think the whole 'you direct them' is a Morrigan paranoia thing. The Well does put you under the will of Mythal's servants, which in turn makes her able to command you/Morrigan but since the boon you receive is knowledge it seems a bit weird that it can just be taken from you. Me thinks that that the knowledge of the Well directed them to Mythal's shrine, not Flemeth herself, especially since she seemed surprised to see Morrigan. I'm not sure how well Flemeth communicates with the voices, therefore I don't think Solas can control them too much.

 

I think that the issue here is that Inqi doesn't know which questions to ask the voices, probably because she doesn't see the connection at all to Solas.

Maybe if Leliana were to stumble upon more info then Inqi would start questioning... And then things might happen 

 

By the way my elf Inqi drank from the well because I wanted to see whether or not it will give me insights into Solas' character.

...

It didn't </3

[Shari'El]

We hope 

 

We could be very, very wrong!

 

Shhhh...

Even if we're freakin' wrong I'd still send my Lavellan anywhere with him :|

[MadameQuizzy]

So I after explaining a little bit about the Dalish and Elves and what not, I ended up showing my husband, who doesn't play DA, the pivotal scene-who-shall-not-be-named and then I started crying. I was expecting him to think it was silly that I was so upset about a character in a game, but instead he said "That scene was done very beautifully. I've cried because of events in movies and shows...it is expected that you would cry about such a character and that you would become so attached to characters with whom you have spent 80+ hours with. It also means that the writers did a really good job". This all coming from my Vulcan-like physicist husband! 

Then I confessed that I obsessively check this thread and have frequently posted on it to which he replied "You do realize that BioWare has statistics on this stuff and its not that hard to see how many first time posters posted on this thread and you are basically guaranteeing that more characters like him will be written" I was like "NOOOOO, I can't go through this again!" I am contemplating writing a strongly worded letter to Weekes with tears enclosed in the envelope! 

 

Aww that's beautiful. My bf knows I'm completely lost to the game and I think he finds it strangely amusing. I guess he's just happy that I found something for which I have such a strong passion. Your story is a whole nother level though and it's so cute

 

 

After replaying Heart Shall Burn last night I'm pretty sure that Solas gave Corybutt the orb a while back. How else would Coryphebutt talk about a ritual "years in the making"? Infiltrating the wardens must have taken years, and what, how long has passed sind Corypheus was released by Hawke? 2 years? About more or less? I think he already had the orb then - and he knew exactly how to activate it: with blood magic (Justinia as sacrifice). So I think Cory had done this before and therefore knew how to use the orb. Meaning he must have gotten it a real while back. I just... don't know what Soals was up to in the mean time. Sexy time with Fade spirits? Or what? 

[SamanthaJ]

 

In the Solas thread random pictures of wolves are on topic.

[Minxie]

Mmm.. Perhaps. That's a good point.

However, it's only relevant to when Morrigan drinks from the well (this happened on m first playthrough). When my second Inqi drank from it she ended up in speaking with Flemeth in the fade, and there was no indication this happened because the voices of the well directed her there.

I think the whole 'you direct them' is a Morrigan paranoia thing. The Well does put you under the will of Mythal's servants, which in turn makes her able to command you/Morrigan but since the boon you receive is knowledge it seems a bit weird that it can just be taken from you. Me thinks that that the knowledge of the Well directed them to Mythal's shrine, not Flemeth herself, especially since she seemed surprised to see Morrigan. I'm not sure how well Flemeth communicates with the voices, therefore I don't think Solas can control them too much.

 

I think that the issue here is that Inqi doesn't know which questions to ask the voices, probably because she doesn't see the connection at all to Solas.

Maybe if Leliana were to stumble upon more info then Inqi would start questioning... And then things might happen 

 

By the way my elf Inqi drank from the well because I wanted to see whether or not it will give me insights into Solas' character.

...

It didn't </3

Actually the Inquisitor can be the one who says it too - I was watching a video of a Well-drinking Lavellan on youtube, in the version where there's no dark ritual/Kieran, and he says that to Flemythal and she's just like "clever lad". Lol I notice how she technically doesn't confirm or deny it... 

 

But yeah, at some point the Inquisitor is going to keep hearing strange new clues about Solas which would lead them to ask questions, and if the Voices are capable of answering them there's nothing stopping her from using the Well, really.

 

That's why I wonder if the writers might fall back on the "Mythal/Solas controls the voices" thing if only to prevent a too easy resolution of future mysteries that the Inquisitor is faced with.

[jawsisinmywc]

Oh my god ;_;

Everytime I play a game that makes me like this I really want to share with someone, but I always feel like my boyfriend will 'laugh' at me.

You got a good man there.

Yeah, the only person that I know with whom I in person could talk to about DA and also plays DA, is my coworker, who by the way turned me into the DA monster that I have become (he introduced me to DA), is more of a pro-templar, anti-magic player. While we have great discussions regarding Mage/Templar issues that sometimes get heated, I can't talk to him about Solas apart from the fact that he is Fen'Harel. I am really glad I could talk to my husband about the heart breaker that Solas is, but it is also great to discuss with people sharing the same pain and obsession on this thread. It's great to hear everyone's insight and I have been made aware of so many tiny details that I missed during gameplay, which makes the experience that much more intense.