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[Shari'El]

Even though I wanted to wait until I replayed parts of the game and gather more video clips, I completed a music video for Solas/Lavellan with "Hallelujah" by Rufus Wainwright.  I still need to upload it to YouTube, and I'll probably get around to making a version 2 once I record more clips... I just felt really, really compelled to put a video together with what I had o.o .  That song is perfect for the Solas romance, damn...

 

I'll be sure to share once it's uploaded.

 

I'll be waiting o_o

 

By the way, I've only been on this thread for the past 30 pages or so.

What's with the Hallelujah? Why is it mentioned so much here? XD

[Ajna]

Ok so... my Chesha just got her itty bitty heart broken into a million pieces. I knew it was coming but dios mio. Dem feels. I had to put the game down and just sit a while with a sad, sad face. Not sure I'll be able to do another playthrough. I think I need the help of a support group now. This thread is where to find it, right?

 

If so, I have a question, and a niggling, nagging thing about all this that I just can't wrap my mind around. I dunno if any of these things have been addressed. 1400 pages of posts is a little much to skim over for results. Please forgive me if I am redundant, and for what is going to be a very, very long post.

 

First the question. Can we post spoilers here? Hmmm... Just in case:

Spoiler

My Lavellan drank from the well and got the lecture. Due to his faulty dialogue in the temple, it really wouldn't make any sense for her to do otherwise. Even though she felt obligated as Dalish, if he had actually truly begged her not to, she would have listened.Thus my whole experience was based on her being bound to Mythal and my question is this: Does any of the dialogue change during his final scene for a non mythal-bound lavellan. I am most especially interested in his response to the "I believe in us" dialogue path when Solas is letting us go?

 

I replayed that scene a half dozen times going through all the options to decide which best fit my Chesha's reaction. I am curious if a non bound Lavellan also gets the (paraphrasing): "No, you can't help me. You'll see." response. If so, then I wonder what he means. He also says something like "if we are alive when all this is over, I promise everything will be clear to you" when you approach him in Skyhold with certain dialogue choices. I don't understand this. I've beaten the game before, (not this playthrough yet). What, if anything, gets revealed to our inquisitors? Solas simply leaves after the battle, with only Leliana's note that he's run off and isn't who he appears to be. She still doesn't know who he really is, or what he was actually trying to do.

 

I suppose he was going off the hope that the orb would be recovered intact and he'd right away do whatever he was planning to with it. But when that wasn't possible.... he just leaves Lavellan with a broken promise that she'd understand? Blat.

 

And the thing that has caught in my head, and my mind is worrying at it like a rat. It is somewhat related to the above.

 

Spoiler

He said he had no choice. When Cole taps into his noggin and asks why he walked away from her, Solas's only said, "I had no choice."

 

It strikes me as very odd. Especially with the timing of his departure. Mid-kiss he stops and the fleeting expression on his face is something like a sad puppy being denied the only thing he wanted in the world. Most seem to believe this was a moment of epiphany and that makes a lot of sense, I am ok with that, even if I think whatever epiphany that could have been feels like typical fantasy soap.

 

Don't get me wrong. That stuff is like crack to me. His epiphany, if that is what it was, was likely related one of the following, no? "I am immortal, she is mortal. I can't deal with her dying on me. If only she were my people.. in another world I could love her without fear " or "She'll know who I am once I have that orb. She will hate me for it. I will be the legendary villain from her Dalish children stories. Better she hate me already and get it over with."  I'll happily toy with the thought of endgame/DLC/DA4 Chesha chasing him down to prove how wrong he is. (O pretty please,  give us this option, powers that be.)

 

But what if it wasn't an epiphany that twisted his face in sorrow? What if it was a sudden complusion. "I can't do this." Or more like something in his mind telling him with great conviction, "You can't do this."

 

He tells Cole, "I had no choice." Based on all we know, when has he ever failed to understand choice and consequence? That just seems like an uncharacteristic answer from someone so wise. My mind can't leave it alone. Am I crazy?

 

Don't answer that.

 

What if, like Mythal-bound Lavellan, he is also bound. The way he passionately argues at any inquisitor who drinks from the well speaks of possible experience to me.  Fen'harel, but bound by the will of another. Likely also to Mythal. Just because he is peer to these powerful, ancient beings, doesn't make him immune to their handiwork. Could all of this be traced back to a loyal dog dancing on his master's leash? He thinks locking the ancients away was his own idea and it probably did resonate with his feelings of ancient elven society, but what if it was actually a compulsion from the murdered and vengeful spirit of Mythal. He tells Mythal-bound Lavellan that she will mistake Mythal's will for her own, and do things at her bidding without even knowing it. Is it because he's been dealing with the same thing for who knows how long, and has learned to recognize it?

 

Free to follow his own heart, until he isn't. If this is the case, he knows his predicament. "It would be kinder in the end." 

 

It may also explain why Cole says Lavellan changes everything. But also can't. She changes Fen'harel's mind about modern elves. She changed his heart and the world outside the Fade is not lonely anymore. She changed even the Fade for him, when they met in a dream. But she can't break the geas. She can't change what he is compelled to do.

 

If that is the case, I sure hope our Lavellan get the chance to prove that wrong too, and break Mythal's hold over him (and herself should it exist). A hold that is likely infinitely stronger now that the spirit of Mythal possibly resides in his body.

 

I hope someone can help me get my mind around this or has had a similar line of thought, I'd love to hear it. Is there some way to prove my theory wrong so that I can lean on the other and maintain my sanity a little bit while we wait for what's to come? Even In that regard I'm more than a little concerned, based on past experience with these and other titles. For example:

 

Spoiler

Romancing Anders and leaving him alive, reduces him to barely a footnote as Hawke awkwardly explains where he is.

 

Romancing Kaiden in ME1 and staying faithful in 2 because Bioware told us it would be worth it, only to have to rekindle the whole thing in ME3 while someone who was unfaithful was cursed to... exactly the same thing.

 

With all the different options and outcomes this game appears to offer for the future of Thedas, is there really any hope for our Levellan? I may be alone, but I don't want closure. I want Chesha to pursue her happily ever after with the big bad wolf, dammit. That's why I can work with an open ending like the one we have for now. If closure for us ends up being an obscure Lavellan codex entry in DA4, however, or witnessing events unfold through non-Lavellan eyes with Solas at the center, I'll be grumpy about it.

 

But what else can they do? The dev work to make a DA4 a game where every DA3 choice really and truly effected the events of cinematic importance would be mind boggling. I think being the Star Crossed Lover of Dragon Age's own Loki is that important, but it is one singular path among dozens they will need to account for in the next game  So, what hope can we have? Any promises from the powers that be to ease my troubled little heart?

 

I apologize again for all the rambling as I try to get this sorted in my head. I'll be grateful for any thoughts on it all.

 

If by "support group" you mean "shameless enablers" then yes, you've come to the right place.

 

Blanket fort.

 

[kalasaurus]

I'll be waiting o_o

 

By the way, I've only been on this thread for the past 30 pages or so.

What's with the Hallelujah? Why is it mentioned so much here? XD

 

Patrick Weekes listened to it (well, k.d. lang's cover) while writing Solas - http://blog.bioware....ge-inquisition/

[Ajna]

Patrick Weekes listened to it (well, k.d. lang's cover) while writing Solas - http://blog.bioware....ge-inquisition/

 

You know he favourited my tweet on the day that blog was posted that said he made me cry again?  He's SO mean!

[Shari'El]

Patrick Weekes listened to it (well, k.d. lang's cover) while writing Solas - http://blog.bioware....ge-inquisition/

 

Ugh, -clenches chest in pain-

 

On a more cheerful note -

He is so talented, wish I could make up characters and dialog as good as he does.

[scintilla]

Ok so... my Chesha just got her itty bitty heart broken into a million pieces. I knew it was coming but dios mio. Dem feels. I had to put the game down and just sit a while with a sad, sad face. Not sure I'll be able to do another playthrough. I think I need the help of a support group now. This thread is where to find it, right?

 

If so, I have a question, and a niggling, nagging thing about all this that I just can't wrap my mind around. I dunno if any of these things have been addressed. 1400 pages of posts is a little much to skim over for results. Please forgive me if I am redundant, and for what is going to be a very, very long post.

 

First the question. Can we post spoilers here? Hmmm... Just in case:

Spoiler

My Lavellan drank from the well and got the lecture. Due to his faulty dialogue in the temple, it really wouldn't make any sense for her to do otherwise. Even though she felt obligated as Dalish, if he had actually truly begged her not to, she would have listened.Thus my whole experience was based on her being bound to Mythal and my question is this: Does any of the dialogue change during his final scene for a non mythal-bound lavellan. I am most especially interested in his response to the "I believe in us" dialogue path when Solas is letting us go?

 

I replayed that scene a half dozen times going through all the options to decide which best fit my Chesha's reaction. I am curious if a non bound Lavellan also gets the (paraphrasing): "No, you can't help me. You'll see." response. If so, then I wonder what he means. He also says something like "if we are alive when all this is over, I promise everything will be clear to you" when you approach him in Skyhold with certain dialogue choices. I don't understand this. I've beaten the game before, (not this playthrough yet). What, if anything, gets revealed to our inquisitors? Solas simply leaves after the battle, with only Leliana's note that he's run off and isn't who he appears to be. She still doesn't know who he really is, or what he was actually trying to do.

 

I suppose he was going off the hope that the orb would be recovered intact and he'd right away do whatever he was planning to with it. But when that wasn't possible.... he just leaves Lavellan with a broken promise that she'd understand? Blat.

 

And the thing that has caught in my head, and my mind is worrying at it like a rat. It is somewhat related to the above.

 

Spoiler

He said he had no choice. When Cole taps into his noggin and asks why he walked away from her, Solas's only said, "I had no choice."

 

It strikes me as very odd. Especially with the timing of his departure. Mid-kiss he stops and the fleeting expression on his face is something like a sad puppy being denied the only thing he wanted in the world. Most seem to believe this was a moment of epiphany and that makes a lot of sense, I am ok with that, even if I think whatever epiphany that could have been feels like typical fantasy soap.

 

Don't get me wrong. That stuff is like crack to me. His epiphany, if that is what it was, was likely related one of the following, no? "I am immortal, she is mortal. I can't deal with her dying on me. If only she were my people.. in another world I could love her without fear " or "She'll know who I am once I have that orb. She will hate me for it. I will be the legendary villain from her Dalish children stories. Better she hate me already and get it over with."  I'll happily toy with the thought of endgame/DLC/DA4 Chesha chasing him down to prove how wrong he is. (O pretty please,  give us this option, powers that be.)

 

But what if it wasn't an epiphany that twisted his face in sorrow? What if it was a sudden complusion. "I can't do this." Or more like something in his mind telling him with great conviction, "You can't do this."

 

He tells Cole, "I had no choice." Based on all we know, when has he ever failed to understand choice and consequence? That just seems like an uncharacteristic answer from someone so wise. My mind can't leave it alone. Am I crazy?

 

Don't answer that.

 

What if, like Mythal-bound Lavellan, he is also bound. The way he passionately argues at any inquisitor who drinks from the well speaks of possible experience to me.  Fen'harel, but bound by the will of another. Likely also to Mythal. Just because he is peer to these powerful, ancient beings, doesn't make him immune to their handiwork. Could all of this be traced back to a loyal dog dancing on his master's leash? He thinks locking the ancients away was his own idea and it probably did resonate with his feelings of ancient elven society, but what if it was actually a compulsion from the murdered and vengeful spirit of Mythal. He tells Mythal-bound Lavellan that she will mistake Mythal's will for her own, and do things at her bidding without even knowing it. Is it because he's been dealing with the same thing for who knows how long, and has learned to recognize it?

 

Free to follow his own heart, until he isn't. If this is the case, he knows his predicament. "It would be kinder in the end." 

 

It may also explain why Cole says Lavellan changes everything. But also can't. She changes Fen'harel's mind about modern elves. She changed his heart and the world outside the Fade is not lonely anymore. She changed even the Fade for him, when they met in a dream. But she can't break the geas. She can't change what he is compelled to do.

 

If that is the case, I sure hope our Lavellan get the chance to prove that wrong too, and break Mythal's hold over him (and herself should it exist). A hold that is likely infinitely stronger now that the spirit of Mythal possibly resides in his body.

 

I hope someone can help me get my mind around this or has had a similar line of thought, I'd love to hear it. Is there some way to prove my theory wrong so that I can lean on the other and maintain my sanity a little bit while we wait for what's to come? Even In that regard I'm more than a little concerned, based on past experience with these and other titles. For example:

 

Spoiler

Romancing Anders and leaving him alive, reduces him to barely a footnote as Hawke awkwardly explains where he is.

 

Romancing Kaiden in ME1 and staying faithful in 2 because Bioware told us it would be worth it, only to have to rekindle the whole thing in ME3 while someone who was unfaithful was cursed to... exactly the same thing.

 

With all the different options and outcomes this game appears to offer for the future of Thedas, is there really any hope for our Levellan? I may be alone, but I don't want closure. I want Chesha to pursue her happily ever after with the big bad wolf, dammit. That's why I can work with an open ending like the one we have for now. If closure for us ends up being an obscure Lavellan codex entry in DA4, however, or witnessing events unfold through non-Lavellan eyes with Solas at the center, I'll be grumpy about it.

 

But what else can they do? The dev work to make a DA4 a game where every DA3 choice really and truly effected the events of cinematic importance would be mind boggling. I think being the Star Crossed Lover of Dragon Age's own Loki is that important, but it is one singular path among dozens they will need to account for in the next game  So, what hope can we have? Any promises from the powers that be to ease my troubled little heart?

 

I apologize again for all the rambling as I try to get this sorted in my head. I'll be grateful for any thoughts on it all.

 

 

There aren't any differences between the scene if Lavellan drinks from the Well or doesn't.

 

I'm not sure anyone has brought up that theory before. I don't see why it couldn't be true, it has no more holes in it than any other theory we've got going.  Why whatever compulsion he had would only kick in at that moment is the problem. Why would someone controlling him have let the relationship progress that far and stop it in just that moment?

 

RE: the running away - he's pretty damn distraught over the orb being broken. He does sort of say goodbye. It's not clear to the Inquisitor that his final line is him saying goodbye when he says it but it would seem to be the intent. Nothing else gets revealed to an Inquisitor who romanced him.

 

There may well be nothing but a a line of dialogue and a note in a codex entry in DA4 about the relationship. It wouldn't be the first time. The only thing we know is that Solas's writer is calling a lot of things spoilers for future DA stuff. Solas's story isn't finished and that's really all we've got.

[NekOoNinja]

Ugh, -clenches chest in pain-

 

On a more cheerful note -

He is so talented, wish I could make up characters and dialog as good as he does.

 

Usually, PW writes the characters I end up liking the most. After reading that he contributed to the character cast in DA:I again, I bought the game for that reason alone.

 

Funny thing: Last night, my boyfriend playing a Raid in Destiny with our gaming group. There must have been an abandoned-boyfriend-self-help-group going on, because later he told me:

"So the girlfriend from that one guy, she has been playing DA:I for like 200 hours..."

I replied to him, chuckling: "Must be Solas-itis. Has to be." and continued browsing this thread.

 

Prone to drama: Previous favored LI's: Solaufein, Casavir, Gannayev-of-Dreams (with a Favored Sould of Kelemvor), Anders, Garrus, and right now, Solas.

I need help, I guess.

[LilyasAvalon]

Anyone have any Modern AU fics of Lavellan and Solas goodness?

 

Also, I have to ask, what's the OTP name? Most People seem to be going with 'Once Upon a Dream'

[Addai]

First the question. Can we post spoilers here? Hmmm... Just in case:

Spoiler

My Lavellan drank from the well and got the lecture. Due to his faulty dialogue in the temple, it really wouldn't make any sense for her to do otherwise. Even though she felt obligated as Dalish, if he had actually truly begged her not to, she would have listened.Thus my whole experience was based on her being bound to Mythal and my question is this: Does any of the dialogue change during his final scene for a non mythal-bound lavellan. I am most especially interested in his response to the "I believe in us" dialogue path when Solas is letting us go?
 
I replayed that scene a half dozen times going through all the options to decide which best fit my Chesha's reaction. I am curious if a non bound Lavellan also gets the (paraphrasing): "No, you can't help me. You'll see." response. If so, then I wonder what he means. He also says something like "if we are alive when all this is over, I promise everything will be clear to you" when you approach him in Skyhold with certain dialogue choices. I don't understand this. I've beaten the game before, (not this playthrough yet). What, if anything, gets revealed to our inquisitors? Solas simply leaves after the battle, with only Leliana's note that he's run off and isn't who he appears to be. She still doesn't know who he really is, or what he was actually trying to do.

Yes you get the same responses, and he seems to be over the Mythal thing by then, though maybe it would come up later. Importantly, what I've discovered is that not everyone realizes that if you ask Flemythal to release you from the geas, she does.
 

And the thing that has caught in my head, and my mind is worrying at it like a rat. It is somewhat related to the above.
 

Spoiler

He said he had no choice. When Cole taps into his noggin and asks why he walked away from her, Solas's only said, "I had no choice."
 
It strikes me as very odd. Especially with the timing of his departure. Mid-kiss he stops and the fleeting expression on his face is something like a sad puppy being denied the only thing he wanted in the world. Most seem to believe this was a moment of epiphany and that makes a lot of sense, I am ok with that, even if I think whatever epiphany that could have been feels like typical fantasy soap.
 
Don't get me wrong. That stuff is like crack to me. His epiphany, if that is what it was, was likely related one of the following, no? "I am immortal, she is mortal. I can't deal with her dying on me. If only she were my people.. in another world I could love her without fear " or "She'll know who I am once I have that orb. She will hate me for it. I will be the legendary villain from her Dalish children stories. Better she hate me already and get it over with."  I'll happily toy with the thought of endgame/DLC/DA4 Chesha chasing him down to prove how wrong he is. (O pretty please,  give us this option, powers that be.)
 
But what if it wasn't an epiphany that twisted his face in sorrow? What if it was a sudden complusion. "I can't do this." Or more like something in his mind telling him with great conviction, "You can't do this."
 

I think, based on his personality, it's a matter of conviction more than emotion. He won't involve her in his purpose- it violates all his principles of autonomy and freedom- and he can't escape it, either, so the relationship has to end.
 

But what else can they do? The dev work to make a DA4 a game where every DA3 choice really and truly effected the events of cinematic importance would be mind boggling. I think being the Star Crossed Lover of Dragon Age's own Loki is that important, but it is one singular path among dozens they will need to account for in the next game  So, what hope can we have? Any promises from the powers that be to ease my troubled little heart?
 
I apologize again for all the rambling as I try to get this sorted in my head. I'll be grateful for any thoughts on it all.

I think there's a good chance we see the ups and downs of having a plot-central NPC who is so personally involved with one of our protagonists. The ups being, we're likely to see him again. The downs being, he may not be the same Solas, and might only have vague fond memories of or regrets about Lavellan, and we might have to interact with him with a different protagonist. And I agree with you that all of that would suck badly, given that the romance had a pretty abrupt end and little resolution. I think Morrigan is a pretty good example of a positive resolution for a seemingly doomed romance- and who saw that coming, really?- while Leliana is a more cautionary one. Other than a soft spot for Wardens, she seems to have moved on and is more wrapped up in the Divine than any past love.

[Mortarion]

Yes you get the same responses, and he seems to be over the Mythal thing by then, though maybe it would come up later. Importantly, what I've discovered is that not everyone realizes that if you ask Flemythal to release you from the geas, she does.
 

What does FLemeth says when she releases you from the geas? ANd if you do ask her to do that, does that means she no longer can control you? O.o

[Hellion Rex]

Has this one been shared?

 

http://kakaphoe.tumb...-reach-the-fade

[jawsisinmywc]

Does anyone here have twitter? Maybe we could come up with some (non-spoilery) Solas questions.

I got twitter recently just to do that. Also, @DragonAgeKeep has been posting the Tapestry tiles for the romancable characters and asking who romanced *insert character name*. Solas has not come up yet but for those who have Twitter, we should make lots of noise when they asked who romanced Solas. 

[Poppy]

Yes we should

[Peura]

I've been lurking around this thread but now I just gotta give in my two cents regarding my fave Solas/Lavellan songs:

Hozier - Take Me To Church

Reading fics and listening to this... all the feels, man. All the feels. "take me to church and i'll worship like a dog" sobs

[Shari'El]

Yes you get the same responses, and he seems to be over the Mythal thing by then, though maybe it would come up later. Importantly, what I've discovered is that not everyone realizes that if you ask Flemythal to release you from the geas, she does.

 

WAT

Seriously??

[Ajna]

Has this one been shared?

 

http://kakaphoe.tumb...-reach-the-fade

 

Yes, yes it has...

 

[Shari'El]

I got twitter recently just to do that. Also, @dragonage has been posting the Tapestry tiles for the romancable characters and asking who romanced *insert character name*. Solas has not come up yet but for those who have Twitter, we should make lots of noise when they asked who romanced Solas. 

 

I would open a twitter account just for that.

Where is that post?

[Shari'El]

Yes, yes it has...

 

 

That gif is wonderful XD

[Caboods]

You guys have probably discussed this already, but I have missed it, so if anybody has any thoughts on the topic of shapeshift / true forms...

Spoiler

I am kinda intrigued by the whole idea that Solas / Fen'Harel could tranform into a giant wolf, and that maaaybe, just maybe, that his name "Dread Wolf" isn't just a title, or name given to him because of his actions or that the imagery of him being a wolf hasn't just developed by itself over the centuries of wrong interpretations and translations.
In relation to this, I find it curious that Flemeth can transform into a dragon, and it is the only form we ever see her take besides her human form. Morrigan claims in DA:O that she changed in to large bird to rescue the Warden and Alistair, but we only have her word and didn't see the form Flemeth assumed to rescue them. What if the dragon is one of her forms, or even her true form? Because Mythal and the other elven gods were spirits or something else entirely, something that has long since been forgotten after they had been sealed away?

I'm just kinda curious to hear your opinions on one of Solas' forms being that of a giant wolf, or if you think that he is "only" elven, and the name and title had  been warped and misinterpreted over the centuries to give him this image of a wolf?

[LapCat]

Yes you get the same responses, and he seems to be over the Mythal thing by then, though maybe it would come up later. Importantly, what I've discovered is that not everyone realizes that if you ask Flemythal to release you from the geas, she does.
 

 

Wait she does? I ask her and I thought she was just implying that she won't use it as long as Morrigan behaves? Anyone got a video?

[jawsisinmywc]

I would open a twitter account just for that.

Where is that post?

Sorry, it was @DragonAgeKeep. As far as I know, they haven't posted one about Solas yet.

Here is one for Sera for example:

https://twitter.com/...281542021324800

[Shechinah]

It may be because I am used to something flashy happening during such moments but I still consider it ambigious whether or not you were actually released by Flemeth since you only have her word that she won't compel you and (mind you, this is my memory) not that she releases you from it, merely that she won't use.

[Shechinah]

(to Caboods) A Dalish warden can tell Morrigan, if I remember correctly, that she's heard of some clan mages using shapeshifting and alongside with a lot of magical techniques stemming from the ancient elves, it is possible that it is an advance form of shapeshifting Flemeth is using, perhaps drawing on the power from Mythal to make draconic forms possible. I think it is possible that Solas can or once could shapeshift into a wolf but also that shapeshifting was not something every mage in the ancient times used either because it wasn't of interest or because it wasn't everyone who could.

[jawsisinmywc]

I have a tab in my browser open and am on my Twitter account. I am wracking my brain as what to ask, but 98% of everything I want to ask will most certainly be answered with spoiler and therefore won't be answered. 

[Addai]

Wait she does? I ask her and I thought she was just implying that she won't use it as long as Morrigan behaves? Anyone got a video?

She looks at you, hesitates, then waves a hand. Honestly I'm not sure if she's just giving you a temporary reprieve (because this happens right after she forces you to restrain Morrigan) or if it's a permanent thing. The dialogue at the Well does seem to imply that it's forever and ever. Then again, Abelas says once his duty is done, he's free to go roam the world looking for elfy goodness.

Questions, questions! /flemeth