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[Ajna]

Honestly I see that scene very different than you. Ive completed the game with and without Dark Ritual and nothing changed for me.

If you look at the aura's and color's you'll notice early that Mythal/Flemeth is a blue-silver swirl of energy and silver-blue lightning within the eyes (see meeting Mythal/Flemeth inside fade or outside and attempt to attack her). Only time we see Sola's I believe is at end in this scene where he exits his body and then passes into Flemeth's body. While that is happening Mythal/Flemeth's is swirling outside the body and enter's Sola's.

What I draw from this scene is that Sola's took Flemeth's body to die even though he was needed still because it was his mistake that caused this end. Mythal/Flemeth now enhabits Sola's body (see eyes at end, exactly like he's before she absorbed old god soul).

 

And my reaction would be thus..

 

 

What a waste of an amazing character that would be, I can't see it myself. Honestly, if they shafted him like that I'd be done.

[herkles]

omg imagine the conversation Lavellan needs to have with Solas should they ever meet again

 

Lavellan: So... let me get this right. You are the Dread Wolf but called yourself Solas?

Solas: Yes. 

Lavellan: And then you took the spirit of Mythal in?

Solas: This is correct.

Lavellan: And Flemeth's spirit as well?

Solas: Indeed.

Lavellan: ...and the Old God, too?

Solas: Also true.

Lavellan: ....... so.....

Solas: I am still the same, Lethallin.

Lavellan: ....but... if you are the host to Mythal.... Morrigan is bound to you?

Solas: ....Yes?

Lavellan: Can you command her?

Solas: Why do you ask?

 

...

later that day

...

 

Morrigan: I can't believe he's making me do this!

Sera: Oh, bugger off! I'm not going to learn Elven from you!

LMAO that made my day

[Aetheria]

Agreed.  I suppose it's possible that Solas died in that scene, but it would seem entirely senseless in the end to reveal Fen'Harel only to have him commit "suicide by Flemeth" right away, especially since he's a character that they invested into a companion and romance slot.

Well if one of them is permanently dead or absent or whatever, it's probably Solas (sorry guys) because... well, I just can't see them doing 3 games' worth of buildup about What Is Flemeth Up To only to unceremoniously remove her from the plot like that.

 

That said, the ending also gave us a fair bit of What Is Solas Up To, so I'm going to say that I think they're both still around in some fashion. WHAT fashion remains to be seen.

 

I also can't imagine Flemeth willingly turning into a dude. Doesn't seem her style what with all that "eternally wronged by men" stuff and only having daughters to live on through.

 

(Also is it just me or did anyone else think Flemeth conspiracy theory when they read that codex entry about Andraste's descendants all being women? WHAT IF ANDRASTE IS FLEMETH OMG  o.o)

 

omg imagine the conversation Lavellan needs to have with Solas should they ever meet again

 

Lavellan: So... let me get this right. You are the Dread Wolf but called yourself Solas?

Solas: Yes. 

Lavellan: And then you took the spirit of Mythal in?

Solas: This is correct.

Lavellan: And Flemeth's spirit as well?

Solas: Indeed.

Lavellan: ...and the Old God, too?

Solas: Also true.

Lavellan: ....... so.....

Solas: I am still the same, Lethallin.

Lavellan: ....but... if you are the host to Mythal.... Morrigan is bound to you?

Solas: ....Yes?

Lavellan: Can you command her?

Solas: Why do you ask?

 

...

later that day

...

 

Morrigan: I can't believe he's making me do this!

Sera: Oh, bugger off! I'm not going to learn Elven from you!

bwahahahaha. I know this isn't really going to happen, but... it SHOULD.

[Addai]

Flemeth can be dead and yet still come back. We can kill her in Origins, yet there she is. Morrigan says she can't really be killed (probably).

I think Solas is borrowing her god mojo for a while because he lost his, and later she can transfer again if needed. The elves apparently did this- think of the soul gem in the Arcane Warrior quest. He got trapped there because there was no one left who could help him leave.

[Cosmia]

How much do we know about the orbs? Have they appeared in prior games? 

[Sable Rhapsody]

How much do we know about the orbs? Have they appeared in prior games? 

 

I don't think so.  The closest thing we've seen to a relic of the elven pantheon in earlier media are the eluvians and the Mask of Fen'Harel from DA: Redemption.

[herkles]

I doubt they would get rid of solas, he is obviously rather popular; look at the devotion the cullenites have for Cullen and he just had a a minor role in origins, though it got expanded on in da2.

 

More random speculation: if the lavellan clan live, how would they react to the lack of Vallaslin? do any dalish IG react to her not having it anymore?

[Lulumi_Lumi]

Can someone remind me how tearing down the Veil is gonna bring back the elven gods? Will the Eluvians automatically be restored once the Veil is gone? 

[kalasaurus]

Well if one of them is permanently dead or absent or whatever, it's probably Solas (sorry guys) because... well, I just can't see them doing 3 games' worth of buildup about What Is Flemeth Up To only to unceremoniously remove her from the plot like that.

Well, they did reveal what Flemeth was in the end after that build up.  She has a big role as an NPC, true, but also is pretty absent save for a handful of scenes through the trilogy.  Still, I see your point.  Solas himself is a new character, while Flemeth has been a poster child for Dragon Age next to Morrigan since the beginning.

 

 

I also can't imagine Flemeth willingly turning into a dude. Doesn't seem her style what with all that "eternally wronged by men" stuff and only having daughters to live on through.

 

(Also is it just me or did anyone else think Flemeth conspiracy theory when they read that codex entry about Andraste's descendants all being women? WHAT IF ANDRASTE IS FLEMETH OMG  o.o)

I think it would be pretty cool if Flemeth was Andraste with Mythal's spirit after Maferath's betrayal.  The story of Conobar and the bard could very well be allegory for Maferath and the Maker.  That's a lot of religious figures all wrapped up in one (especially when you throw in Fen'Harel into this deity cocktail), but I find the implications interesting.  We've had confirmations of some truths of the elven pantheon, but not so much the Andrastian faith.  It'd be nice if they overlapped some.

 

Flemeth can be dead and yet still come back. We can kill her in Origins, yet there she is. Morrigan says she can't really be killed (probably).

I think Solas is borrowing her god mojo for a while because he lost his, and later she can transfer again if needed. The elves apparently did this- think of the soul gem in the Arcane Warrior quest. He got trapped there because there was no one left who could help him leave.

This is a good point, too.  It's already established that Flemeth is damn near impossible to kill (if it's even possible at all).

 

"Shall you slay the old wretch as the legend goes, or will the tale go a different turn... It is a tale poor Flemeth knows all too well."

[Sable Rhapsody]

More random speculation: if the lavellan clan live, how would they react to the lack of Vallaslin? do any dalish IG react to her not having it anymore?

 

I don't think any of the Dalish in-game react to it.  Keeper Deshanna seems like a pretty chill lady, and the Lavellan clan in general is less insular and hostile.  Because the background didn't delve into family, I headcanoned a nice, normal family for my Lavellan because I need to have at least one PC whose family life doesn't utterly suck.  

 

I think the Keeper would be relatively understanding.  Shocked and alarmed, perhaps, but willing to hear Lavellan out, especially if she tells the whole story about the origins of the vallaslin.  And for my Lavellan, her parents are just happy that she's alive and (Solas breakup notwithstanding) well.  I dunno about the rest of the clan; Lavellan can snark about the Dalish pretty hard, and I'm pretty sure there are those in any clan who would see the loss of the vallasin as a betrayal.  The whole "Herald of Andraste" thing certainly doesn't help.

[arlofthan]

Man, if my Lavellan tracks down Solas, there's gonna be some major drama. She'll either leap into his arms or go Othello on him.

[Aetheria]

I doubt they would get rid of solas, he is obviously rather popular; look at the devotion the cullenites have for Cullen and he just had a a minor role in origins, though it got expanded on in da2.

 

More random speculation: if the lavellan clan live, how would they react to the lack of Vallaslin? do any dalish IG react to her not having it anymore?

True, I think it would be the first time a DA companion or protagonist was killed off in-game without being the result of a choice by the player (iirc Wynne is the only one who's always canonically dead, but that was in one of the novels after her part in the games was all wrapped up).

 

I don't recall anyone outside of Skyhold reacting to the Inquisitor losing her vallaslin. Tried talking to the Exalted Plains clan, but none of them had any extra dialogue.

 

I think it would be pretty cool if Flemeth was Andraste with Mythal's spirit after Maferath's betrayal.  The story of Conobar and the bard could very well be allegory for Maferath and the Maker.  That's a lot of religious figures all wrapped up in one (especially when you throw in Fen'Harel into this deity cocktail), but I find the implications interesting.  We've had confirmations of some truths of the elven pantheon, but no so much the Andrastian faith.  It'd be nice if they overlapped some.

I was pretty sure someone must have worked this out in detail, and as it turns out... http://forum.bioware...-fateor-chance/

 

Not going to say it's definitely that way, but it is a pretty convincing case for some kind of connection between Andraste/Flemeth/Mythal/possibly Tyrdda as well.

[Tootles FTW]

I think the "three games worth of build up" regarding Flemeth did come to fruition - she was revealed to have the soul of an old Elven God inside of her, bent on revenge for her murder.  This revenge is what kept her going and scheming throughout the years.  Beyond her ultimate goal in regards to that revenge, the questions hovering over this character have been pretty much answered.  (EDIT - and personally, I believe her end goal lies in whatever Solas is doing...thus she gifted her power to him)

 

Fen'Harel, however, is a new player on the board.  Personally I have every confidence that he's 100% intact.  The DLC is nigh, trust.

[MadameQuizzy]

Crazy theory time! 

 

I got lost in the wikis and read up on TME (which I haven't read yet, so maybe some of you can correct me here). Apparently there's Felassan, who seems to know a great deal about Fen'Harel and ancient Elven times (for example he seems to know about the noble-servant situation). He's somewhat mysterious, I gather, and he's involved in the whole mess with the Eluvians, for which he was supposed to get a password (?). 

 

So I was thinking... how did Solas wake up? Why? 

 

Spoiler

 

What if Felassan was one of his servants/allies/...? who looked over the body of Fen'Harel while he was in his sleep. At the end of TME:

 

 

 

Alone, Felassan enters the somniari trance to speak with a mysterious entity in the Fade. With a sense of prescient doom, he nevertheless informs the entity that he did not get the passphrase from Briala, and suggests that she be given a chance to try using the eluvians. He remarks that "they" are stronger than the being thinks and attempts to tell the entity that "she" reminds him of something, or someone, else, but is killed before he can do so. His last thoughts are of Briala, alone and searching for her people.

 

What if Felassan spoke to Fen'Harel here? "They" meaning the modern elves?

 

 

 

The demon [Imshael] is persuaded to leave Mihris' body after Felassan tells it that "something bigger is coming" to Thedas.

 

He could either

 

- mean that Fen'Harel / Solas would return to Thedas (meaning he'd wake up) or

- mean that Corypheus would return to Thedas 

 

which in return could mean that

 

- he was trying to secure the password to the Eluvians for Fen'Harel as a mean to access... something? (doesn't make much sense imho because Solas could have done that himself)

- he was trying to secure the Eluvian network for Corypheus. His intentions were then discovered by Solas/Fen'Harel who then killed him for this betrayal. Or failure. Which either way forced him then to turn to Corypheus for help with unlocking the foci. 

 

 

I think I'll order TME now... if any of you wants to entertain me with my crazy theories, please. Or tell me it's all insane, at this point, I don't even know what I'm doing anymore.

[M i l k y]

Guys, just a question.

 

At what point does Solas start calling you 'da'len' (or is it lethallin)? I never had him call me that before in my first playthrough and in my current one he just refers to me as "my friend" when I speak with him. I'm just past Skyhold and my approval is pretty high, have had the Haven romance scene already.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Guys, just a question.

 

At what point does Solas start calling you 'da'len' (or is it lethallin)? I never had him call me that before in my first playthrough and in my current one he just refers to me as "my friend" when I speak with him. I'm just past Skyhold and my approval is pretty high, have had the Haven romance scene already.

 

Lethallan should be part of his set of greetings if he calls you "my friend."  He only calls you da'len once, during the conversation about elves, and only if you pick a particular dialogue option regarding his beef with the Dalish (the top one, I believe).

[kalasaurus]

Lethallan should be part of his set of greetings if he calls you "my friend."  He only calls you da'len once, during the conversation about elves, and only if you pick a particular dialogue option regarding his beef with the Dalish (the top one, I believe).

 

Mhmm, after he snarks about the Dalish in your first conversation about elves, you can choose to respond with the top dialogue ("We are trying.  Accept that.") to which Lavellan says "Ir abelas, hahren" and he responds "Ir abelas... da'len.".  It's an exchange of respect, nothing more IMO.

[NightSymphony]

The things I do when I get bored. I made this using http://www.dolldivin...le-creator.php.

 

[M i l k y]

Lethallan should be part of his set of greetings if he calls you "my friend."  He only calls you da'len once, during the conversation about elves, and only if you pick a particular dialogue option regarding his beef with the Dalish (the top one, I believe).

 

 

Mhmm, after he snarks about the Dalish in your first conversation about elves, you can choose to respond with the top dialogue ("We are trying.  Accept that.") to which Lavellan says "Ir abelas, hahren" and he responds "Ir abelas... da'len.".  It's an exchange of respect, nothing more IMO.

 

Aw, I didn't pick the top option so I didn't hear it. >< Anybody have a recording or video of this?

[Vorathrad]

I know I'm a couple pages late, but thank you for your suggestions on fixing the banter! I'm on PS4, I hope they work *crosses fingers*

I'm terrible at theories (I never get the devs intention right lol) but I feel that Flemeth is gone, at least for now. My guess is that she shares goals with Solas, or that whatever he is going to do will get her the vengeance she desires. That's why they agree on Solas taking her power should something happen to the orb. Maybe he will be able to take her to the Fade or to another host, I don't know; but in spite of Flemeth being such a staple in the DA universe, I wouldn't be surprised if we just saw her end. After all, the conversation in the Fade already revealed the big misteries around her: what she is and what she wants.

I think that we'll definitely see more of Solas; what I'm not so sure is that he will be Solas anymore or there will be much more than a bit of extra dialogue regarding his romance with Lavellan. (Ok I'm going to get me a Hot Cocoa of Pessimism now)

Edit: ninja'd by Tootles.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The simple fact that he calls you lethallan/lethallin (depending on gender) gives me hope for him.  Solas is so down on the modern elves, and he wavers between sympathy for them and seeing them as fundamentally different from himself, a mere shadow of what they should have been.  I think the only other character whom he calls "lethallin" is Abelas, another ancient elf.

 

Yet he has enough confidence in Lavellan to call him/her his kin, after only knowing Lavellan for a short period of time.  This is the same guy who disparages the Dalish and says Sera's no more an elf than he is a horse.  IMO that's a huge step to acknowledging some hope for the modern elves.  And maybe he'll realize that he still has kin out there, and he doesn't have to be alone anymore.

 

*clings to optimism like a pool floatie*

[Abelas]

https://twitter.com/...3624704/photo/1

 

Oh, we're calling it mystery now?

"Do you love pain? Do you feel like walking on shards? Maybe you romanced Solas!"

[Oswin]

I know I'm a couple pages late, but thank you for your suggestions on fixing the banter! I'm on PS4, I hope they work *crosses fingers*
 

 

I'm on PS4 and have had a silent time, until today. Suddenly loads of banter at once. This is while running around The Storm Coast and The Hinterlands (all before picking Mages or Templars) and I could not get Bull, Cass and Solas to shut up. One banter would stop and another would start. The rest of my game is going to be back to very quiet again at this rate 

[Cosmia]

Sooo what Solas related merchandise do you think you guys would want eventually? His necklace? Tarot card prints? Creepy blow up dolls?

[Jaderail]

I have tried traveling from the war table, it seems to help a little bit. I still only get banter once every 15-30 minutes, not sure if that's intentional but before doing the war table trick I got almost none at all.