The owl and the look of it makes me think Falon'Din.
.......oh my gawd, it IS an owl. mind = blown
I really wish Bioware would just pull their pants up and give us an official chart already.
@herkles - it was about an hour and a half? Dependent upon how much you chose to talk or explore the areas. Much shorter than DA2 DLC.
curious how long was witch hunt been a while since I played it. is it any longer or shorter then say the da2 dlc?
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.......oh my gawd, it IS an owl. mind = blown
I really wish Bioware would just pull their pants up and give us an official chart already.
@herkles - it was about an hour and a half? Dependent upon how much you chose to talk or explore the areas. Much shorter than DA2 DLC.
Ah, I hope I hope it is like the length of the da2 dlc then.
also I am in favor of knowing which vallaslin corresponds to which deity.
Oh gosh I missed you guys, I had a few days where I didn't have time to keep up with the thread but I finally got to pour my heart out about Solas to my best friend since he finished the game yesterday. After I was finished rambling about all the theories we discussed in this thread he looked at me worried and said: "Promise me you don't turn into one of those people who buys a life sized pillow with a character they adore on it and then sleeps with it every night, this guy is bad for your health" I think I might've come off a bit too strong.. After that he announced that he's making a female elf for his next playthrough so he can romance Solas though... 
Ah, I hope I hope it is like the length of the da2 dlc then.
also I am in favor of knowing which vallaslin corresponds to which deity.
DA2 really stepped it up regarding the quality of the DLC. DAO had the problem of forcing your companions out of the equation and sticking you with newbies. This also makes me think they might tackle the Solas issue sooner than later, since his absence leaves us scarce a mage...also, it's conceivable that you could have booted everyone from your party but Cassandra, Varric, and Solas. No Solas = no mage/third party member. They may go the "DLC intended to be played pre-ending" route, though. We'll have to wait (and wait, and waaaait) and see.
Before (aka DAO-era) I wouldn't particularly care about the God/vallaslin correlation, I was just interested in aesthetics. I think it's safe to say that it's pretty much essential now, considering we may be meeting them in a DLC/DA4.
DA2 really stepped it up regarding the quality of the DLC. DAO had the problem of forcing your companions out of the equation and sticking you with newbies. This also makes me think they might tackle the Solas issue sooner than later, since his absence leaves us scarce a mage...also, it's conceivable that you could have booted everyone from your party but Cassandra, Varric, and Solas. No Solas = no mage/third party member. They may go the "DLC intended to be played pre-ending" route, though. We'll have to wait (and wait, and waaaait) and see.
Before (aka DAO-era) I wouldn't particularly care about the God/vallaslin correlation, I was just interested in aesthetics. I think it's safe to say that it's pretty much essential now, considering we may be meeting them in a DLC/DA4.
I believe they advised that all DLC is post-ending - well story DLC. I can't find it, but I think they intend on making the game-world evolve. A little like an MMO.
I believe they advised that all DLC is post-ending - well story DLC. I can't find it, but I think they intend on making the game-world evolve. A little like an MMO.
The only tidbit I remember reading is that they were thinking of containing DLC to entirely brand new areas which would contain the new story elements. If it's confirmed post-game than I am definitely intrigued on how/when they'll handle the Solas dilemma.
... And suddenly lyrics are springing to my head a la "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria"... How do you solve a problem like Fen'Harel? How do you catch a Dread Wolf by his eeeeear?
Ugh I'm so far behind because I have to choose between this, playing DAI, writing (bad) fanfic, work, or, you know, those other things you have to do to live, like eat.
Yeesh.
Oh man! Thanks for pointing out that the reference is to It's A Wonderful Life. Totally wouldn't have connected the dots on that one.
So given that, I wonder if, when Cole says "They can only return to the maker if they become real", he's referring to Clarence the angel getting his wings by going to earth to help George? Sort of like... Cole being drawn to leave the Fade to help people in Thedas?
WHAT IF, and I'm really going out on a limb here, the "wholeness" that Cole sees in Solas is because he's both a person AND a spirit? In the same way that Flemythal is both the woman Flemeth and the spirit Mythal, but seems to think of herself as a single being? So then, maybe spirits are actually meant to be one with people in some integrated, not-just-possession way (see: Anders, Wynne, etc). Maybe spirits were originally part of people (or just elves, that could be the mysterious thing they're supposed to have lost), and they're constantly trying to get back through the veil to reunite with people in some weird Aristophanes-at-the-symposium kind of way?
o_o
Yea I didn't catch the reference either. BTW, I swear at one point in game someone does refer to Cole as an angel. Or maybe that's just me reading too much into it.
I was thinking somethimg different. I think he is afraid of dying as the last of his people. Dying alone might just be the non spoiler way of saying "Be the last of his kind". He is anything but thrilled about the dalish and he sees them as a failure. He is the last - not counting Mythal - and we know that he did something he regretted. And though the original elves did not die of old age they could still be killed.
so dying alone noone would remember the truth about Fen Harel or who he truly was. He would die leaving nothing behind but his failure and a grave misinterpretation of who he is and what he did.
Agreed, but this still revolves around him *dying*. I just find it weird that an immortal's fear would be *dying* alone, instead of something like *seeing my culture be eradicated*.
Idk it could just be poor word choice on the devs part, since "dying alone" is a bit cliche, so seeing that as someone's greatest fear isn't really a head scratcher. But I'm so used to good writers analyzing every word, and choosing every word so carefully, that I am inclined to think that because his fear involves dying, then he (and possibly by extension, all of the elven "gods") are not really immortal.
That's all for now, will catch up more later.
Edits for horrible errors while typing too fast
The only tidbit I remember reading is that they were thinking of containing DLC to entirely brand new areas which would contain the new story elements. If it's confirmed post-game than I am definitely intrigued on how/when they'll handle the Solas dilemma.
... And suddenly lyrics are springing to my head a la "How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria"... How do you solve a problem like Fen'Harel? How do you catch a Dread Wolf by his eeeeear?
Perhaps solas joins you or you get a new mage.
Here is a more interesting question. Aside from Solas content, what else would you expect from this sort of DLC? where would you expect/like to go and so on.
Oh oh btw also kind of random but I think I found my favorite party setup: Iron Bull, Cole, and Solas. Cole and Solas are super bros I love their banter, and then there's IB in the back like "uh yea you guys are reaaaallly weird" LOL, the best.
Also I'm running Knight Enchanter this time, which is really neat, so Bull is just 2H dps, Solas is max disruption, and Cole I actually spec'd for bows because I didn't want too many melee and also I ran archer assassin on my last playthrough and it's amazing.
Just in case anyone was curious.
I showed someone not familiar with DA: I both of my Solas fan videos, and she asked why he was cheating on my characters and if he was some kind of player (since they feature my 2 different Lavellans) O.o
I suppose that's one way to view Solas and all his Lavellans...
Perhaps solas joins you or you get a new mage.
Here is a more interesting question. Aside from Solas content, what else would you expect from this sort of DLC? where would you expect/like to go and so on.
The only dangling threads I see are:
1) the elven Gods/whatever Solas is up to which involves them
2) the disappearance of the Wardens in Weisshaupt & their Civil War
3) the Tranquil, and exploring curing them
<---I add 3 to the list, despite it not being a huge plot point in the main game, because there were enough references that lead me to think the thread might be picked up in a later game/DLC. Asunder had a very heavy plot revolving around them, too.
I would have included the Qunari, too, but I feel like that mess is better left to DA4.
Echoing others: Keep Witch Hunt in mind - an entire DLC devoted to one character, with a strong amount of romance content and romance-specific ending. Also, Morrigan is a way more divisive character as her opinions are quite...more, erm, hard-lined...than Solas'. Solas seems to be generally well received and dat epilogue.
Here's what I see as evidence both for and against the possibility of a "Wolf Hunt" DLC:
Against: Let's get the pessimism out of the way first. We have had companion-focused DLCs before: Leliana's Song, Witch Hunt, and Lair of the Shadow Broker for ME. What do all these have in common, though? They focus on female characters romanceable by males. I'm sure Inquisition has a not-insignificant female fanbase, but is that enough to convince a publisher that it's worth it to make DLC content that isn't going to be aimed squarely at "core" male gamers? As opposed to content designed to appeal to male players who play as straight males?
(Totally not saying that content for those players is bad or even that I wouldn't play and enjoy it myself; still, it's pretty obvious that those are the players publishers overwhelmingly intend to make money off of. Not, well... us. To be blunt.)
For: It's possible that losing Solas could leave the player with no available mages, if they didn't recruit Viv or Dorian, and possibly even with only 2 available party members (or maybe just Varric if Cassandra becomes Divine? Not sure). This seems... suboptimal from a gameplay standpoint. We can't rule out getting temporary companions in DLC, but what about players who like running around the open world killing dragons etc? Hard to believe they'd let you get into such a spot permanently.
Not to mention, the mere fact that they have that post-credits scene means that whatever continuation of that story is planned, it's almost certainly been approved and worked on already. Since the DA series has established a tradition of moving to a different story focus and different protagonist in each game, I really don't see Bioware doing another whole game with all this elven lore stuff front-and-center. Unless it's a direct sequel, in which case it also doesn't make sense to show us that teaser before the intervening DLC rather than after. And if it's DLC for Inquisition, it would be very unlike Bioware to have no recognition of the romance plot in there. Whether or not it'll be a happy ending is anyone's guess.
Okay I thought this was pretty amazing, but others have told me it's all in my head and I'm an idiot. But I really think something like this would be intentional in DA:I, especially with Solas.
So I guess until a dev confirms this I am officially an idiot of the internet.
Sooo what Solas related merchandise do you think you guys would want eventually? His necklace? Tarot card prints? Creepy blow up dolls?
A shirt with the heirophant card design would definitely be something I'd buy; his wolf jawbone necklace would be cool as a collectible, though.
Perhaps solas joins you or you get a new mage.
Here is a more interesting question. Aside from Solas content, what else would you expect from this sort of DLC? where would you expect/like to go and so on.
I DON'T WANT A NEW MAGE! *throws toys out of pram*
Okay I thought this was pretty amazing, but others have told me it's all in my head and I'm an idiot. But I really think something like this would be intentional in DA:I, especially with Solas.
So I guess until a dev confirms this I am officially an idiot of the internet.
It would be a lot of extra work to add in that texture, but I don;t necessarily know if it was meant to be just a scar or intentionally a wolf...
Oh gosh I missed you guys, I had a few days where I didn't have time to keep up with the thread but I finally got to pour my heart out about Solas to my best friend since he finished the game yesterday. After I was finished rambling about all the theories we discussed in this thread he looked at me worried and said: "Promise me you don't turn into one of those people which buys a life sized pillow with a character they adore on it and then sleeps with it every night, this guy is bad for your health" I think I might've come off a bit too strong.. After that he announced that he's making a female elf for his next playthrough so he can romance Solas though...
My friends made me a Garrus love pillow for my birthday when ME3 came out....
I don't think a Solas DLC is really comparable to Leliana's Song or Witch Hunt as the stinger gives enough reason for all inquisitors to want to track him down, what he's planning is big and important to the whole world.
Leliana's song was just back story, I actually never bought Witch Hunt because I couldn't think of a single reason why my Warden would have any interest in tracking her down without Zevran. She respected that Morrigan had left and that was that. They're really quite inconsequential in comparison to what's hinted at with Solas.
I'm sad that there's a lot of pessimism about the chances of anything like a happy ending, I'm not going to be a very happy bunny if Solas' fate is set in stone, I had my fill of that in ME3 and will be very disappointed if female players have to yet again bear the brunt of the forced outcomes... cut us a break Bioware 
please??
The only dangling threads I see are:
1) the elven Gods/whatever Solas is up to which involves them
2) the disappearance of the Wardens in Weisshaupt & their Civil War
3) the Tranquil, and exploring curing them
<---I add 3 to the list, despite it not being a huge plot point in the main game, because there were enough references that lead me to think the thread might be picked up in a later game/DLC. Asunder had a very heavy plot revolving around them, too.
I would have included the Qunari, too, but I feel like that mess is better left to DA4.
I've been thinking about the very same things. I finished Asunder today and so much to do with the Tranquility plot is mentioned in Cassandra's conversations that I would be shocked if we didn't get to explore how that works and its ramifications.
Here's what I see as evidence both for and against the possibility of a "Wolf Hunt" DLC:
Against: Let's get the pessimism out of the way first. We have had companion-focused DLCs before: Leliana's Song, Witch Hunt, and Lair of the Shadow Broker for ME. What do all these have in common, though? They focus on female characters romanceable by males. I'm sure Inquisition has a not-insignificant female fanbase, but is that enough to convince a publisher that it's worth it to make DLC content that isn't going to be aimed squarely at "core" male gamers? As opposed to content designed to appeal to male players who play as straight males?
...
Not to mention, the mere fact that they have that post-credits scene means that whatever continuation of that story is planned, it's almost certainly been approved and worked on already. Since the DA series has established a tradition of moving to a different story focus and different protagonist in each game, I really don't see Bioware doing another whole game with all this elven lore stuff front-and-center. Unless it's a direct sequel, in which case it also doesn't make sense to show us that teaser before the intervening DLC rather than after. And if it's DLC for Inquisition, it would be very unlike Bioware to have no recognition of the romance plot in there. Whether or not it'll be a happy ending is anyone's guess.
I'm not sure I agree about those DLC being aimed at the male (or female) romance fanbase, despite the fact that the characters are romanceable. Leliana's Song is a more or less standalone prequel that had nothing to do with the Warden, let alone one romancing Leliana. Liara is the most important Normandy crew member in the Mass Effect universe after Shepard and remains so whether or not she's romanced. (I only had one Shepard who romanced Liara and the storyline of the DLC didn't seem at all diminished for playing it with my main Shepards.) Witch Hunt is a bit of an odd case. Again, I don't think the romance was at the core at all; it was completely lore-driven and many of us on the old BSN speculated that it was originally a full expansion that got abandoned and made into a short DLC.
I agree with the last point, however. Given the new character per instalment system in the DA franchise, I'd say that this storyline is almost definitely going to be visited again in add-on content (though I imagine it's big enough that the plot will carry over to the next game).
I don't think a Solas DLC is really comparable to Leliana's Song or Witch Hunt as the stinger gives enough reason for all inquisitors to want to track him down, what he's planning is big and important to the whole world.
Leliana's song was just back story, I actually never bought Witch Hunt because I couldn't think of a single reason why my Warden would have any interest in tracking her down without Zevran. She respected that Morrigan had left and that was that. They're really quite inconsequential in comparison to what's hinted at with Solas.
I'm sad that there's a lot of pessimism about the chances of anything like a happy ending, I'm not going to be a very happy bunny if Solas' fate is set in stone, I had my fill of that in ME3 and will be very disappointed if female players have to yet again bear the brunt of the forced outcomes... cut us a break Bioware
Yeah,I think dlc that expands upon what happens to Solas after the ending would appeal to many, not just those who had a romance with him in the game. More than being a companion-specific dlc, it would just be a continuation of the main story since Solas is one of the most important characters in the game. And everything occurs because of him. I think they left it ambiguous for that reason, it would be a wasted opportunity not to have post-game dlc. Especially since the main story is so damn short.
I was going to Youtube to listen to clips of Solas Dat voice hnng no I dont have a problem so shut up
What was the first thing on saw on the homepage?
An ad for boiling an egg..
WHELP.
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