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One thing. How would Lavellan find out that Solas is the Dread Wolf. I mean, she believed that Flemeth was Mythal because of her power over whoever drank from the well, but what would Solas have to do?  I just think it's going to be hard for Lavellan to believe it if he just told her verbally. Maybe he has to bring her into the fade again to show her the past. :wub:

 

Oh, I dunno.. I think with the right way of saying it he could pretty much convince my Lavellan of anything. His voice is just that intoxicating. Besides, she has to suspect something somewhat supernatural about him, especially nearing the end. It's fun to think about how my elfie would respond to finding it out. I imagine she'd have a moment of shell shock at first, followed by wide-eyed and curious fascination.

 

However I also don't see him admitting that kind of thing until she's already found out somehow. Would love to see it play out either way, though.



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Something I was just telling a friend about I wanted to share here - I like to imagine things that could happen after Solas and Lavellan reunite and today I remembered this scene from Man of Steel:

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For all that movie's faults I always found that scene very moving - a god like being essentially humbled before and comforted by the tiny mortal woman he loves. And I thought ohhh imagine if Solas, and/or alongside the Inquisitor, has to do something really terrible but necessary for the sake of whatever his Great Matter is, but he's devastated afterwards and then Lavellan embraces him the way Lois does Clark. ;__;


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One thing. How would Lavellan find out that Solas is the Dread Wolf. I mean, she believed that Flemeth was Mythal because of her power over whoever drank from the well, but what would Solas have to do?  I just think it's going to be hard for Lavellan to believe it if he just told her verbally. Maybe he has to bring her into the fade again to show her the past. :wub:

 

Or maybe it'll be more dramatic and he'll just turn into a giant, multi-eyed wolf. I assume he has some sort of wolf transformation like Mythal had her dragon one.

 

I just really want to see how that conversation goes! Though I wonder if we'll hear it out of Solas' own mouth or find out some other way. I hope no matter which, we find out while playing as the Inquisitor and not a new protagonist. At least for that particular reveal, which hopefully will come in a DLC.


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Goofy response to the concept of a Fen'harel reveal:

 

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This is one of the few times where they COULD present the Inquisitor as working something out on their own. Normally, there'd be the danger of the Inquisitor piecing 2 and 2 together while the player is still writing out the equation - but HERE the player already knows who Solas is, so they wouldn't have that issue.



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I found that a bit weird, since he so adamantly insists he is a spirit of Choice in TME. Like how did that switch? Or is Desire really corrupted Choice? Or was he just lying before?

 

I wonder if they left out the Desire demon for SJW reasons? I never really liked the design of Desire anyway, it was a bit uncomfortable...but maybe they just wanted to make the newer demons take center stage (like envy), and Desire takes a lot of dialogue to really be effective.

 

They make me uncomfortable too and for all of that, I've found the stuff involving them have been some of the most thought provoking quest lines I've ever experienced in both Dragon Age games. The desire demon with the Templar in the Tower was actually interesting. The points the Desire Demon makes if you agree with it instead of just killing it initially during Sebastian's quest line are also interesting. The creature is sex on wheels, but they've always been remarkably more intelligent than their initial presentation (as sex on wheels) would suggest. The desire demons offer what people actually want because they can see inside their hearts and their offers are, for the most part, actually tempting. (Like actual in game perks, such as blood magic.)

 

I would say they dropped them for SJW reasons and it's a damn shame. I would also say the implementation of Imshael as their replacement was poorly handled for anyone who doesn't invest in the supplementary materials. Without context for who he is, I had no reason and still have no reason to care about him. He's there, he's irritating, and then he's dead and gone. I've remembered that Desire Demon in the Mage Tower for five years. I'm not going to be thinking about Imshael into next month. I think he offers the only demon deal in Inquisition and it comes out of left field. Power? Wealth? Virgins? Really? He's unoriginal, dull, overconfident, and a boring conversationalist. Bring back the Desire demons so we can have an actual conversation about the stuff I really want. Those ladies know where it's at.

 

Envy feels so out of place compared to the other demons we've had in the past. It works differently, but doesn't feel like it's expanding on what's already there which is a very basic Christian metaphysical model. The other demons have always had a focused interest on mortals because mortals offer whatever they can't have and tempt to get it. Pride corrupts the pride character's feel in their accomplishments and tempts them with the possibility of more power (Fenris and the Pride Demon in 2 being a great example). Sloth makes you feel tired and lazy, puts you to sleep (and then eats you). Desire is all about what other characters want and revealing hidden (or not so hidden I like big boats, I cannot lie) truths about them. They always made me ask questions afterward and challenged my views on my companions, even the game world.

 

Envy just feels like a concept, it feels envious of someone and works to become them but it never can. It's simple and straightforward. It's all about what it wants instead of going after the envy and covetous emotions mortals feel and working on those. I walked away from it going "it wanted to be me", that's cool but in the end that's also pretty much it. It feels so much less dangerous than the others as a result.

 

Terror gave me... spiders. Yay, spiders. In the end, though, it was just a big boss that said stuff in Corypheus' voice. I keep forgetting it's supposed to be a demon.

 

It might be the two sides to every story angle they've been working with Solas and the Fade this time around, about the Chantry being wrong or it's only that way because that's how people see it but it's going to be an uphill battle because they actually have to redefine those metaphysics for the player. The demons previously provided a real function within the game, that isn't there anymore and, for me at least, the setting feels a little smaller because of it.


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Hello, everyone. I stopped lurking to finally make a post on this amazing thread. You guys have helped my quizzy (any my heart) through a difficult time. I actually made a small fanfiction that I would love to share and get opinions on if that is acceptable here.


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They make me uncomfortable too and for all of that, I've found the stuff involving them have been some of the most thought provoking quest lines I've ever experienced in both Dragon Age games. The desire demon with the Templar in the Tower was actually interesting. The points the Desire Demon makes if you agree with it instead of just killing it initially during Sebastian's quest line are also interesting. The creature is sex on wheels, but they've always been remarkably more intelligent than their initial presentation (as sex on wheels) would suggest. The desire demons offer what people actually want because they can see inside their hearts and their offers are, for the most part, actually tempting. (Like actual in game perks, such as blood magic.)

 

I would say they dropped them for SJW reasons and it's a damn shame. I would also say the implementation of Imshael as their replacement was poorly handled for anyone who doesn't invest in the supplementary materials. Without context for who he is, I had no reason and still have no reason to care about him. He's there, he's irritating, and then he's dead and gone. I've remembered that Desire Demon in the Mage Tower for five years. I'm not going to be thinking about Imshael into next month. I think he offers the only demon deal in Inquisition and it comes out of left field. Power? Wealth? Virgins? Really? He's unoriginal, dull, overconfident, and a boring conversationalist. Bring back the Desire demons so we can have an actual conversation about the stuff I really want. Those ladies know where it's at.

 

Envy feels so out of place compared to the other demons we've had in the past. It works differently, but doesn't feel like it's expanding on what's already there which is a very basic Christian metaphysical model. The other demons have always had a focused interest on mortals because mortals offer whatever they can't have and tempt to get it. Pride corrupts the pride character's feel in their accomplishments and tempts them with the possibility of more power (Fenris and the Pride Demon in 2 being a great example). Sloth makes you feel tired and lazy, puts you to sleep (and then eats you). Desire is all about what other characters want and revealing hidden (or not so hidden I like big boats, I cannot lie) truths about them. They always made me ask questions afterward and challenged my views on my companions, even the game world.

 

Envy just feels like a concept, it feels envious of someone and works to become them but it never can. It's simple and straightforward. It's all about what it wants instead of going after the envy and covetous emotions mortals feel and working on those. I walked away from it going "it wanted to be me", that's cool but in the end that's also pretty much it. It feels so much less dangerous than the others as a result.

 

Terror gave me... spiders. Yay, spiders. In the end, though, it was just a big boss that said stuff in Corypheus' voice. I keep forgetting it's supposed to be a demon.

 

It might be the two sides to every story angle they've been working with Solas and the Fade this time around, about the Chantry being wrong or it's only that way because that's how people see it but it's going to be an uphill battle because they actually have to redefine those metaphysics for the player. The demons previously provided a real function within the game, that isn't there anymore and, for me at least, the setting feels a little smaller because of it.

 

Can we drop the "SJWs ruined everything" crap please?

 

I for one am glad that they didn't put lingerie drool-bait demons in the game.  I think Imshael could have been presented much better, especially considering he was far more interesting in the books than in-game.

 

I never saw why desire demons had to be barely-dressed women.  There are many other forms of desire, and if they were going to physically represent sex, then why not also have a male version that appears equally as often?  Lots of male players claimed they never found the desire demons sexually appealing, but that doesn't change the fact that their design was clearly meant to be appealing in that way, to straight males (possibly also lesbian females, but that's more of a side benefit than the intention of the design).  They're the only demons that actually have a humanoid enough shape to say they are either female or male.

 

Did they usually have intelligent, tempting offers?  Yes.  But it's kind of hard to take them seriously when they show up as naked ladies to a straight female Warden or Hawke, because whatever else they are offering, they're also pretty clearly relying on their sex appeal to make the offer that much more enticing.  It's part of what they are.

 

In an ideal world, the desire demons would simply be able to show up as whatever preference the person looking at them has--even if that means becoming a representation of some other, entirely non-sexual desire.  For instance, someone who wants a family might see a child who looks like him/herself.  But they had to pick a design and a model, and believed their audience would mostly be young straight males.  Fast forward a few years later and now around half of all gamers are women, and most gamers are also around 30+ years old, on average.  An unusually high number of female players appear to be fans of the Dragon Age franchise.  Hm, maybe we shouldn't insult our large number of female players by acting as if females are objects to be desired, while ignoring the fact that many of these women do not desire other women (some do, of course).

 

That's all I shall say on the topic here; can we please resume our discussion of Solas and Solas-related things?  Should you wish to continue this conversation, do so via PM.


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They make me uncomfortable too and for all of that, I've found the stuff involving them have been some of the most thought provoking quest lines I've ever experienced in both Dragon Age games. The desire demon with the Templar in the Tower was actually interesting. The points the Desire Demon makes if you agree with it instead of just killing it initially during Sebastian's quest line are also interesting. The creature is sex on wheels, but they've always been remarkably more intelligent than their initial presentation (as sex on wheels) would suggest. The desire demons offer what people actually want because they can see inside their hearts and their offers are, for the most part, actually tempting. (Like actual in game perks, such as blood magic.)

 

I would say they dropped them for SJW reasons and it's a damn shame.

I do think it's plausible that Bioware didn't want to reuse the old desire demon model, but that doesn't necessarily mean we won't see desire demons again. It might just be that they wanted to show off other kinds of demons, and didn't want to bother redesigning the desire demon for DAI.

 

As I said, I think the desire demon presents a unique visual problem because you'd expect them to look, well, desirable. "Scantily clad pink lady" just doesn't send a universal message, and it also gives the impression that desire demons are all about luring people with sex, which - as you point out - they're really not. Nobody of any gender or preference is safe from desire demons! And I think their design should reflect that.


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This is Nimaithiel She's looking at the breach and is thinking you want me to climb up there and do what 

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what does this meaaaaan

they think the red idol from DA2 represents Solas ?

 

I'm lost



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My current Quizzy Elthrinith Lavellan, avowed Solasmancer

 

@Sunhair good to see some familiar faces on here - hands over hot chocolate and the Solas comfort blankie


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they think the red idol from DA2 represents Solas ?

 

I'm lost

 

I don't get it either. Just a creepy idol, no? There's three figures on the idol, not two. Zombie torso #3 is sticking out the side. I think it representing that end scene with Solas might be stretching it a bit. Probably.


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My current Quizzy Elthrinith Lavellan, avowed Solasmancer

 

@Sunhair good to see some familiar faces on here - hands over hot chocolate and the Solas comfort blankie

 

She looks interesting.  With that pale skintone, from a distance her vallaslin looks like blush.



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Have some vaguely-blurry Solas  :D

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So I'm watching LadyAshe do the final fight on her stream right now, and Corypheus totally just called Solas "a ragged mage", and also called him a rattus (which he calls elf Inquisitors).

 

For those who were working on theories were Cory knows who Solas is, that seems to indicate that he has no idea who he is or that the foci he's using is Solas's. Food for thought.


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So I'm watching LadyAshe do the final fight on her stream right now, and Corypheus totally just called Solas "a ragged mage", and also called him a rattus (which he calls elf Inquisitors).

 

For those who were working on theories were Cory knows who Solas is, that seems to indicate that he has no idea who he is or that the foci he's using is Solas's. Food for thought.

Or he just doesn't remember, Cory is pretty crazy.


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I don't trust that Solas's actions will be without consequence, but I don't doubt that his intentions are good (for someone anyways). I was re-watching how he reacts to what you say after the well, and he seemed pretty enthusiastic about things being better if you pick the "I'll make the world better" option. And when you say you'll put things back the way they were before:

 

I: Yes, I mean, not exactly...

S: I know what you mean. Thank you.

 

He at least doesn't want things to be exactly like they were before he apparently helped to break ancient elven society...Does anyone else find it interesting that "I'll make the world better" gets Solas Slightly Approves while the putting things the way they were option gets Solas Approves?


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I don't trust that Solas's actions will be without consequence, but I don't doubt that his intentions are good (for someone anyways). I was re-watching how he reacts to what you say after the well, and he seemed pretty enthusiastic about things being better if you pick the "I'll make the world better" option. And when you say you'll put things back the way they were before:

 

I: Yes, I mean, not exactly...

S: I know what you mean. Thank you.

 

He at least doesn't want things to be exactly like they were before he apparently helped to break ancient elven society...Does anyone else find it interesting that "I'll make the world better" gets Solas Slightly Approves while the putting things the way they were option gets Solas Approves?

Perhaps the only way to make the world better is to put things back the way they were  since it is seeming that the blights, the corruption of the old gods/forgotten ones, the red lyrium, and the diminishment of elves, qunari, and dwarves (since Solas says they are all less than they should be) relates back to SolasHarel putting the veil in place and locking away the Elven Gods.. in other words what he did basically broke magic (since the Elvhen seem to be very much tied to how magic works in Theda and it seems all schools of magic be it Circle, or Tevinter magic learned what they know from the Elves) and for things to improve for everyone he has to reverse at least some aspects of what he did.



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I JUST SCREAMED HOLY ****



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I've been taking random screenshots through this playthrough and have managed to grab a few neat ones. I'll have desktop wallpaper forever.

 

I'll just have to ignore the fact I crafted armor using nug skin and now am literally the Pinkquisitor. Doesn't help the tarted-up Merrill Barbie image, but what can you do...

 

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Perhaps the only way to make the world better is to put things back the way they were  since it is seeming that the blights, the corruption of the old gods/forgotten ones, the red lyrium, and the diminishment of elves, qunari, and dwarves (since Solas says they are all less than they should be) relates back to SolasHarel putting the veil in place and locking away the Elven Gods.. in other words what he did basically broke magic (since the Elvhen seem to be very much tied to how magic works in Theda and it seems all schools of magic be it Circle, or Tevinter magic learned what they know from the Elves) and for things to improve for everyone he has to reverse at least some aspects of what he did.

If whatever Solas is doing is going to take away blights and red lyrium it sounds like it might be a good idea. Though...what would the consequences of that be? I feel like a lot of people might have to suffer if things change.



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Can we drop the "SJWs ruined everything" crap please?

 

I for one am glad that they didn't put lingerie drool-bait demons in the game.  I think Imshael could have been presented much better, especially considering he was far more interesting in the books than in-game.

 

Or you could listen to what I actually said at the beginning which was "They made me uncomfortable". I realize that it's a difficult concept to grasp that I could both like the desire demons enough to miss them when they're gone for the narrative function they filled but also disagree with the design decisions that cast them as poor ripoffs of Slaaneshi cultists, but I happen to be capable of both.

 

What happened here is that Bioware threw the baby out with the bathwater. They listened to valid criticism of the character design, but like with so many things forgot about the character's narrative function. Instead of finding a new way to implement it, they threw the whole thing out. The desire demons offered something valid and I'm sorry it's gone.

 

I would also say that discussions of demons are Solas related, but since we don't all agree I give the thread a Solas.

 

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I've been taking random screenshots through this playthrough and have managed to grab a few neat ones. I'll have desktop wallpaper forever.

 

I'll just have to ignore the fact I crafted armor using nug skin and now am literally the Pinkquisitor. Doesn't help the tarted-up Merrill Barbie image, but what can you do...

 

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Ooh I like that second one, with the Inquisition all following her through the snow. 

 

At least she'll get along with Dagna. ;)



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So, insomnia strikes again T_T.  Anyway, I'm thinking about making (another) Solas fan video... I think I'm hooked.  Any votes on what would make for a good Sollavellan theme song?

 

Here's what I had in mind for possible songs.  I really need to collect more video clips before I make a new video, though, since most are from the first half of the game XD

Damien Rice - The Blower's Daughter

Flyleaf - All Around Me

Snow Patrol - Set The Fire To The Third Bar

Pocahontas - If I Never Knew You


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