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[Kittn]

Something I was just telling a friend about I wanted to share here - I like to imagine things that could happen after Solas and Lavellan reunite and today I remembered this scene from Man of Steel:

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For all that movie's faults I always found that scene very moving - a god like being essentially humbled before and comforted by the tiny mortal woman he loves. And I thought ohhh imagine if Solas, and/or alongside the Inquisitor, has to do something really terrible but necessary for the sake of whatever his Great Matter is, but he's devastated afterwards and then Lavellan embraces him the way Lois does Clark. ;__;

 

I didn't get a chance to post on this earlier but I wanted to before the thread moved on and I lost it completely. I wish I could like this more than once. It is exactly the happy ending/fade to black moment I was painting in my head when I thought of how such a thing could end up in a DLC.

 

We catch up to Solas and he has done a thing. And the thing has gone wrong because the things always go wrong. Or it went right but still was wrong. Because things. Maybe he has used the spirit of Mythal to shatter the veil and free the others, changing the world forever - again. His faithful Lavellan finds out right then who and what he is, and she doesn't care. All may not be forgiven, but that can wait till later. For now, she only cares that she can embrace him again, even if everything is falling apart around them. This scene. Is. Perfect.

 

What deity must I leave offerings of delicious tapioca pudding to in order to see this happen, Bioware powers that be?

[dragondreamer]

I don't know if my male Lavellans would want it removed anyway.  The one I'm playing with right now is more traditional than my canon lady Lavellan.  My lady Lavellan didn't let Solas remove her vallaslin because it meant something different for her than what it meant in ancient times.  Memories of her family are tied into those markings, and she won't give them up.

[Illyria]

I don't know if my male Lavellans would want it removed anyway.  The one I'm playing with right now is more traditional than my canon lady Lavellan.  My lady Lavellan didn't let Solas remove her vallaslin because it meant something different for her than what it meant in ancient times.  Memories of her family are tied into those markings, and she won't give them up.

 

That's the same reason why my Lavellan wouldn't give up her vallaslin!

[Addai]

Ha, PW's tweet is funny. Not only is the timing of it all atrocious and cruel, but as I realized when I thought about what my Inquisitor would do after the game, if she accepts his offer then there's no way she can go back to the Dalish. She's given up her vallaslin around the same time as the shemlen world was declaring her the Herald of Andraste. Not suspicious at all, no.

[Uirebhiril]

Ha, PW's tweet is funny. Not only is the timing of it all atrocious and cruel, but as I realized when I thought about what my Inquisitor would do after the game, if she accepts his offer then there's no way she can go back to the Dalish. She's given up her vallaslin around the same time as the shemlen world was declaring her the Herald of Andraste. Not suspicious at all, no.

 

She just needs to sit down with Varric and come up with a tale the clan will believe.

 

"No ****, there I was in the Temple of Mythal..."

[tehluhlah]

I am not sure, but the sims 4 also had a picture yesterday, with the #worstdatein5words So i thought it was weird they both said something about it.

 

It is a very popular hashtag right now. All the cool kids are doing it 

[kalasaurus]

So my best friend since childhood is playing Dragon Age: Inquisition for the first time as an elf, and I told her to go for the Solas romance (and she said she will after I told her he was the best in the game).  Hmm... I can't tell if I'm being a good friend or cruel because of what I'm setting her up for 

[Oswin]

She just needs to sit down with Varric and come up with a tale the clan will believe.

"No ****, there I was in the Temple of Mythal..."

"I tripped over, landed on my face and the damn thing just came clean off!"

That's what mine will run with. Totally believable and unquestionable logic.

[Astelspirals]

Ha, PW's tweet is funny. Not only is the timing of it all atrocious and cruel, but as I realized when I thought about what my Inquisitor would do after the game, if she accepts his offer then there's no way she can go back to the Dalish. She's given up her vallaslin around the same time as the shemlen world was declaring her the Herald of Andraste. Not suspicious at all, no.

 

the whole thing has me a bit at odds with myself. i wish there were a way an elf Inquisitor could become a champion for ALL elves... like, yeah, raised Dalish, but now completely encompassed by the larger world, can we become a voice to help elves get along among themselves? Dalish and City together...THEN we could really be a force to be reckoned with! (for the record, my Lavellan didn't remove theirs. they were perfectly happy keeping them, no matter what the tats used to mean)

[Gervaise]

Well you see my girl had unfortunately made a bad decision and got her clan killed, so really Solas was all she had left.   Okay the vallaslin could have been a reminder of her family but since it was her bad call that got them killed, in a way it was better not to be reminded.     

 

You've got to admit though, the true meaning of the Vallaslin is a supreme irony.   There are the Dalish proudly boasting how they are the last of the true elves and they will never submit and they've preserved the once bit of ancient culture that proclaims them as slaves.

 

Now Shartan was obviously a bit more savvy because his shade didn't have Vallaslin.   

[Solas]

I associate a lot of Barenaked Ladies music with Solavellan...

 

Boomerang, from Lavellan's perspective to Solas

Lovers in a Dangerous Time

particularly Call and Answer 

[kalasaurus]

Ha, PW's tweet is funny. Not only is the timing of it all atrocious and cruel, but as I realized when I thought about what my Inquisitor would do after the game, if she accepts his offer then there's no way she can go back to the Dalish. She's given up her vallaslin around the same time as the shemlen world was declaring her the Herald of Andraste. Not suspicious at all, no.

 

True, it's one of the harder decisions in the game for me.  It was one of the few times I had to pause for a little while and decide what course I'd take.  I did remove the vallaslin, and it's such a beautiful and intimate scene that I don't regret seeing.  I love that she bares all of herself to him in a symbolic way (and it actually made me tear up), it just sucks what happens immediately after  .

 

I think that some of her clan would shun her for that decision, but not all the Dalish.  She did save their butts from a massacre, after all.  I don't know if she could permanently stay with them, after everything, even if she kept the vallaslin.  Her life has changed so much that I don't see her going back to her old life.  But going back to visit?  I don't think they'd run her out in an angry mob at least.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think that some of her clan would shun her for that decision, but not all the Dalish.  She did save their butts from a massacre, after all.  I don't know if she could permanently stay with them, after everything, even if she kept the vallaslin.  Her life has changed so much that I don't see her going back to her old life.  But going back to visit?  I don't think they'd run her out in an angry mob at least.

 

The other Dalish clan you meet in the Exalted Plains is pretty chill too.  Even if you're not Dalish, their Keeper is willing to send one of his own to the Inquisition.  IMO that says a lot for their tolerance.  I have to admit, it was a nice change of pace having more accepting and tolerant Dalish represented in this game after the s***show that was the Masked Empire.

 

I also have trouble seeing my Lavellan ever returning to the Dalish.  She would, however, pass on the gift that Solas gave her--the gift of truth.  Everything she's learned about the Elvhen over the course of Inquisition.  After all, the heritage of the People belongs to ALL the elves, not just her.

[SamanthaJ]

Do you mean this one? 

 

 

I don't use Twitter (I tried to use it once at my sister's behest and never got into it), but if anyone wants to Tweet it to him... by all means.  I would love to see a link/screenshot of any response he has, though.

Yes, that is the one. I don't have a tweet tweet either, but someone tweet tweet this to Patrick Weekes because he needs to see what a happy bald elf looks like the next time he decides to write one. Even though in the Dragon Age universe bald elves are apparently never happy people. Sometimes they even name themselves after unhappiness.

[Uirebhiril]

 

You've got to admit though, the true meaning of the Vallaslin is a supreme irony.   There are the Dalish proudly boasting how they are the last of the true elves and they will never submit and they've preserved the once bit of ancient culture that proclaims them as slaves.

 

 

That is precisely why mine agreed to have it removed. Never again will we submit damn well means never again. Not to slavery and not to ignorance. It's time to move forward and not be captives of the flesh or the mind.

 

I did sit there for awhile trying to figure out what she'd want though. It's such a beautiful scene in the end.

[dragondreamer]

the whole thing has me a bit at odds with myself. i wish there were a way an elf Inquisitor could become a champion for ALL elves... like, yeah, raised Dalish, but now completely encompassed by the larger world, can we become a voice to help elves get along among themselves? Dalish and City together...THEN we could really be a force to be reckoned with! (for the record, my Lavellan didn't remove theirs. they were perfectly happy keeping them, no matter what the tats used to mean)

 

I think that depends on your actions.  Quizzy helps everyone, or at least that's how I played it.  That doesn't mean she has to turn her back on where she comes from.  And there's that option when being made Inquisitor where elves can say they're a representative for elves (not specifically Dalish) for the good of everyone.

 

Well you see my girl had unfortunately made a bad decision and got her clan killed, so really Solas was all she had left.   Okay the vallaslin could have been a reminder of her family but since it was her bad call that got them killed, in a way it was better not to be reminded.     

 

You've got to admit though, the true meaning of the Vallaslin is a supreme irony.   There are the Dalish proudly boasting how they are the last of the true elves and they will never submit and they've preserved the once bit of ancient culture that proclaims them as slaves.

 

Now Shartan was obviously a bit more savvy because his shade didn't have Vallaslin.   

 

Yeah, that would've been different.  My Lavellan's own clan was at least semi-settled around Wycome, so it was different for her.  (Which is convenient, since it means she can write to them on a regular basis.)

 

Shartan wouldn't have vallaslin because modern elves didn't take up the practice again until after the fall of the Dales.

[Ajna]

True, it's one of the harder decisions in the game for me.  It was one of the few times I had to pause for a little while and decide what course I'd take.  I did remove the vallaslin, and it's such a beautiful and intimate scene that I don't regret seeing.  I love that she bares all of herself to him in a symbolic way (and it actually made me tear up), it just sucks what happens immediately after  .

 

I think that some of her clan would shun her for that decision, but not all the Dalish.  She did save their butts from a massacre, after all.  I don't know if she could permanently stay with them, after everything, even if she kept the vallaslin.  Her life has changed so much that I don't see her going back to her old life.  But going back to visit?  I don't think they'd run her out in an angry mob at least.

 

We must share a brain because I feel exactly the same way about it!

[kalasaurus]

Yes, that is the one. I don't have a tweet tweet either, but someone tweet tweet this to Patrick Weekes because he needs to see what a happy bald elf looks like the next time he decides to write one. Even though in the Dragon Age universe bald elves are apparently never happy people. Sometimes they even name themselves after unhappiness.

 

I'll use my old twitter account that I haven't used in two years to tweet it to him.  I agree completely, he needs to see it!

[Addai]

True, it's one of the harder decisions in the game for me.  It was one of the few times I had to pause for a little while and decide what course I'd take.  I did remove the vallaslin, and it's such a beautiful and intimate scene that I don't regret seeing.  I love that she bares all of herself to him in a symbolic way (and it actually made me tear up), it just sucks what happens immediately after  .
 
I think that some of her clan would shun her for that decision, but not all the Dalish.  She did save their butts from a massacre, after all.  I don't know if she could permanently stay with them, after everything, even if she kept the vallaslin.  Her life has changed so much that I don't see her going back to her old life.  But going back to visit?  I don't think they'd run her out in an angry mob at least.

I agree, I don't see mine returning to her clan anyway and I think she realizes that. As Solas says when they leave Haven, she's been changed. There's no going back from that.

Of course, there's the fact that he says "you are free" unironically just moments before dumping her. Smooth, dude. Really smooth.

[Astelspirals]

I think that depends on your actions.  Quizzy helps everyone, or at least that's how I played it.  That doesn't mean she has to turn her back on where she comes from.  And there's that option when being made Inquisitor where elves can say they're a representative for elves (not specifically Dalish) for the good of everyone.

 

 

that's true. but there's still that divide between City and Dalish which is really apparent if you talk to the herbalist? in the garden at Skyhold? (it's been a while), and just all the.. anti-Dalish sentiment. like.. i wish there was a way you could, not erase, but make better the relationship between the two. like work on getting everyone to see that if they stood together and let the little arguments go, i think the majority of people wouldn't mind working together. Naturally there would always be some outliers (there always are). 

 

my Inquisitor kept the vallaslin because they were an integral part of who they were as a person. the knowledge of what they originally meant means that they stood taller for it. It was a reclaim thing for them, i guess you could say. like "I know what this meant then, but by wearing them now, it doesn't make me a slave." keeping them was a hard choice, but one they were proud of. even Corypheus tossing insults at them mid battle couldn't faze (not phase, they weren't a rogue) them because it was a choice. yeah, the whole "you're free" thing, but to them, having the marks meant they were free to choose what they wanted. *shrugs* it was an interesting choice, i'll give the devs that. 

[herkles]

I am not yet at that scene, but I am not sure what my Lavellan would choose.  She is strongly against slavery and oppression for her people. She unlike some dalish doesn't idolize Arlathan as perfection, but looks to know its mistakes so that way we don't repeate them. On the other hand, the vallaslin is something she grew up knowing since she was a child. Her keeper* whom she was always close to, not to mention she was also her apprentince as the first of her clan. That moment was both a proud and happy moment for her when she became an adult in the clan.

 

So tough choice

 

*would the Lavellan keeper also be her mother, not sure

 

 

As for afterwords, the one thing my Lavellan would want to do is to find a homeland for the elves so that way the dalish do not have to be nomads, a place without alianages. Doubt it is possible, but she would like to aid in such an thing.

[MadameQuizzy]

I agree, I don't see mine returning to her clan anyway and I think she realizes that. As Solas says when they leave Haven, she's been changed. There's no going back from that.

Of course, there's the fact that he says "you are free" unironically just moments before dumping her. Smooth, dude. Really smooth.

 

Yeah, he's quite the teaser.

 

"You are free" - breaks up with her.

"I will gift you the truth" - doesn't tell her this minor fact about himself.

"I wanted to show you how much you mean to me" - by breaking up with her

 

I just.. I think I have to play through the angry version at least once. Like in what time and age would this whole thing seem like a good idea to anyone?

[TheComfyCat]

Has anyone been through with a male Dalish?    I was wondering, does Solas only tell his romanced Dalish about the Vallaslin and offer to remove them?   Only I was thinking about the comment before the game came out about there being strong story reasons why he can only romance a female elf.    Now I get the elf bit but it seems to me that he makes a big deal out of the attraction he has for her being as a unique, wonderful person, with the physical aspect hardly mentioned at all.   It is one of the things I loved about him.   However, that being the case,  why couldn't he feel an equally strong attraction to a male Dalish who made exactly the same choices as his beloved female Lavellan?     In fact, if the truth about the Vallaslin is only available to a female Lavellan, it seems rather hard on an equally wonderful male Lavellan that they are left in ignorance and allowed to continue on through life with "I'm a slave" write large over their face.    May be I'm being dense but I can't see the justification for the gender bias.   Of course it is possible I've missed something in game.    Sometimes the conversations between companions were rather difficult to hear, particularly if we were attacked half way through one or I'd got a bit ahead of them.   So could anyone explain please.

 

I can't see this scene working with a non-romanced Lavellan. It's a very intimate moment between lovers, not friends. If you romance him, it seems only fair you get more insight into Solas's character, and special content with him that's not otherwise available.

 

As to why the romance content is only available to females.. well, that's completely up to the developers, so I don't really have any input.

[BlackCat]

I did the chess scene with Cullen and flirted, saying, "We should spend more time together." And he said, "Wouldn't you prefer Solas' company?" Then I backed out saying, "Yes, but we can still be friends."

 

Anything that acknowledges my Solas romance pleases me.

 

Ha, I did the same thing, for this very reason. Cullen sounds disappointed when you say you want to be friends. I just feel bad that Cully ends up alone on my non-human-mage playthrough, but its worth it. 

[Sable Rhapsody]

As to why the romance content is only available to females.. well, that's completely up to the developers, so I don't really have any input.

 

Back in DA2, when all of the romance options were bisexual, David Gaider said that given enough development time, ideally they'd like all the characters to represent a range of different sexualities.  IMO they did a pretty good job of that in DA:I.