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Earlier today I sent my mother some of the screenshots I had taken in the game after she asked what I was talking about with a friend. One of the pictures included Solas, so I told her that the bald guy was my character's boyfriend.

 

She laughed at me and said his ears looked funny.

 

That's all right, dear mother. When Solas reveals himself as an ancient elven god and drops the Veil/releases his godly kin/pees magic for the world, I will be by his side. The elven glory shall be mine.

 

His ears are cute, not funny.



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I know he went nutty on Mihris when she called him I'm not sure if it was flat ears or knife ears,but I Imagine whatever he said to her was really nasty



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I know he went nutty on Mihris when she called him I'm not sure if it was flat ears or knife ears,but I Imagine whatever he said to her was really nasty

 

What no, he just called her a child. Solas doesn't get offended easily or he would have been mad at being called an elven servant.

 

Edit: Oh and that's another thing I like about him. His thick skin and lack of ego (at least not the self-serving types of ego).


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I know he went nutty on Mihris when she called him I'm not sure if it was flat ears or knife ears,but I Imagine whatever he said to her was really nasty

He said "Ma nuvenin, da'len" when she called him flat ear.

 

"As you wish, small child."

 

He wasn't being nasty, just subtly snarky.


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I hate spitballing theories when they're completely raw and untested in my head, but there's a related concept that's been bothering me for a bit as well. Like you, I initially assumed Lavellan becoming "real" to Solas was metaphorical- a tipping point in terms of his respect for her as a worthy (ugh, for lack of a better term) inheritor of the ancient legacy of his People.

That's not an entirely satisfying explanation though, so let's play devils advocate with this crackpot alternative:

It's been suggested that Solas, and other original pre-veil entities like him, are distinct from post-veil races and spirits by being fully present in both reality and the Fade. Essentially, they are more "real", more complete, than beings who are restricted to either side.

Consider Cole now, and his limited but uncanny access to the world beyond the game world. Not in-game reality, not the Fade. Our world. Again, his scope seems limited, but the movie references make it hard to deny, and Solas shares this ability. There is a second veil in Dragon Age, one formed by your computer screen, and the game seems to grant entities like Cole and Solas some measure of awareness of this True Beyond, (where Thedas' real creator gods do indeed exist in the form of Bioware writers) as well as a limited ability to access knowledge beyond it.

Now think about the player in this context. Think about you, and how you fit into the world of Thedas. You are, in essence, a guiding spirit from the Beyond, inhabiting the mortal shell of Lavellan. She has her own backstory, her own life in the context of the game world in which she lives, but after the initial scene you are the spirit that guides every action, every moral choice she makes.

And what sparked that catalyst, in game? The events at the temple of Sacred Ashes and the placement of the anchor.

In this context, Solas' interactions with the Inquisitor become... layered. Again, in a limited way- but it's not as much of a stretch as it feels like it ought to be if it all weren't in some way intended. In questioning what effect the anchor has had on the Inquisitor, he's (perhaps unwittingly) serving as a conduit to the voice of the actual Makers.

"Has it changed you? Your mind, your morals, your... spirit?"

Everything you've experienced: the characters you've met, the choices you've had to weigh. On the side of the True Veil, our side, where real change is possible- has being anchored to this world affected you? Has it reinforced your sense of compassion? Your commitment to justice, to helping the helpless? Has it challenged or confirmed your views on gender and sexuality?

I'm probably reading far too deeply into this, but if the nudges are intended, then two things:

1. It would be a pretty amusing mirror of spirits "earning his wings" and being granted access to the Maker if the first player to take a very particular, predetermined path in game resulted in an invitation to meet the writing team . =w= heh.

2. Tell the tiny part of you that is Solas that he succeeded, Weekes. It worked. I moved from SanFran to Atlanta last year, and the initial culture shock of dealing with the Deep South pretty much shut me down entirely on the volunteering front. There was just too much wrong here. It was too big to be fixable, too bone-deep to make the attempt feel like anything but utter futility. The ideological concessions that had to be made to have a chance at turning the state purple made even the prospect of success a hollow victory.

DA:I kicked me in the pants with its "Nice work saving Thedas, too bad it's just a Fade dream" subtext. This is the side of the veil where things can actually change. Time to get up, dust myself off, and keep trying.

Banal nadas indeed, you crazy Canadians. ^w^

 

So meta, I love it!
 

A few pieces (localised to Solas) feel like they fall into place (but forgive me if this has been mentioned, we are moving fast!) When we meet Varric he tells us that Solas kept the mark from killing us while we slept after the events of the conclave. What if the method of Solas keeping us alive involved something he had not even been sure was possible – had only theorised?

 

In the later conversation between Cole and Solas, in reference to Lavellan, Cole mentions how she is now “real”, “but she can’t be, because that means that everyone else could be real, too”. What if the method of keeping Lavellan alive involved doing something to her which altered her in order to be more like him? More “real” to him?

 

If we accept that the anchor may be allowing Lavellan access to not just the Fade, but a range of possible worlds including that of the world outside of the game, then Solas may have willingly invoked the spirit of the player into Lavellan. Whether his intentions were purely to keep the power of the anchor intact, or as a happy coincidence in simultaneously saving a life is another matter. He later seems surprised at his own success

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When Solas seems amused in meeting you (in contrast to his demeanour for the rest of the game) it is perhaps not entirely due to you simply being alive (and his orb power intact). He smiles as he greets you as another player.

 

 

A handful of subsequent moments, like the one on the balcony where he asks “Has it changed you? Your mind, your morals, your…  spirit?” suggest that he wants you to know that he knows that you are more than what you appear to be to everyone else there in Skyhold.

 

This also may support the repeating occurrence of mythical characters who change names when they desire to, or shed a name when the meaning of it no longer applies (as Solas suggests to Abelas, and as we know he himself has done in the past). It is akin to naming an avatar - starting a new identity in order to perfect those scores you didn’t quite get right when you played as the last one.

 

So, a slightly eerie thought: How long has Solas been playing this world of Thedas alongside you? How many times have you unknowingly crossed paths?
 

Haha it is all waaay out there but this train of thought has me giddy with delight, thank you!  :lol:


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He said "Ma nuvenin, da'len" when she called him flat ear.

 

"As you wish, small child."

 

He wasn't being nasty, just subtly snarky.

 

I always love the way he says that line! So much snark! xD


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I post over there in the Cullen thread every once in a while,but honestly I prefer Solas and the Solas thread. I guess Once you go Solas you never go back no matter how many times he breaks our hearts lol

Yeah, I haven't really looked in there much... I probably will once I've finished my current playthrough romancing Cullen, but even then I think the crazy theorizing would win. :P  It's really the way that Solas seems to be involved in all these mysteries in the plot that makes him the most interesting character in the game to me.



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Cullen... I swear... he's literally the reason I wanted to play this game. I was going to end up playing one way or another, but I watched and waited for over a year just looking at Cullen news and art and screenshots and waiting for the game to come out so I could romance him already.

 

Solas must be like Cullen bane, I mean... nothing against Cullen, but Solas is like the kryptonite that keeps me away from Cullen. I seriously am *unable* to play as anything but a Lavellan that romances Solas. I am hopeless.


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I'm a bit confused on the permanent until death thing. Is that implying that it can be recovered after the inquisitor dies? Or would it just completely cease to be upon their death? If the former, it makes no sense then that Corypheus wouldn't just kill them right away, rather than do a speech about starting over and not letting an unknown rival live.

 

...To be honest, I wonder why Corypheus didn't try to take the Inquisitor prisoner after discovering the Mark can't be removed. We saw in Here Lies The Abyss that the anchor allows the Quizzy's companions to move safely through the Fade as well. Conceivably, he could have forced the Inquisitor to open a rift for him and saved a lot of time and energy.

 

I don't think it can be recovered, or at least not by Corypheus. I imagine there's a very specific reason Cory needed the Divine in order to do whatever he was trying to do, otherwise why not just pick up some random Joe Schmoe? So once Quizzie dies, maybe the power goes somewhere, but not in a form that Cory can make use of. That route to godhood is ruined by Quizzie's initial intervention.

 

I'm not sure why Corypheus needed a sacrifice for his ritual, but I tend to think that he picked Justinia purely for the theatre. Even though he's a crazy darkspawn now, he was human at some point, and that humanity shows through in his distinct dramatic streak - that dude has a hang up about gods, and he has flair, especially during the encounter in Haven:

 

Corypheus: "Tell me... where is your Maker now? Call him, call down his wrath upon me! You cannot. For he does not exist!"

Corypheus: “Beg that I succeed, for I have seen the throne of the gods, and it was empty.”

 

You could say he has had a bit of a thing about gods since DA2; he calls out for Dumat's aid during the fight with Hawke, despairing that his god has forsaken him. I think his choice of sacrifice was his way of showing his superiority to the Maker, whom he views as purely fictitious -  but also his superiority to Dumat, the god who abandoned him, because the worship of the old gods was supplanted by the worship of the Maker. By slaughtering Justinia as part of his ritual, he is sort of making her his "servant" - she is assisting, albeit unwillingly, in his ascension to godhood.


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...To be honest, I wonder why Corypheus didn't try to take the Inquisitor prisoner after discovering the Mark can't be removed. We saw in Here Lies The Abyss that the anchor allows the Quizzy's companions to move safely through the Fade as well. Conceivably, he could have forced the Inquisitor to open a rift for him and saved a lot of time and energy.

 

 

 

I still wonder how that is reasoned out, too. Best guess is it's a proximity thing? Doesn't make all that much sense, but...



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Guys we have to get to 1500 pages in the next four hours, or else I won't be awake to see it ): 



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save all your pretty screencaps and art for page 1,500 :)



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I'll help.

 

Halla are real.

 

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Well, since I decided to replay Origins before continuing my second Inquisition playthrough (because I want to romance someone else this time and I... I need distance T_T ) I ended up making a character based entirely on a single line from the Elfquisitor/Solas balcony dialogue. You know the part where he says "have I misjudged the Dalish" and they say "nah most of them only care about hunting and hating on humans"?

 

Yeah. This is that guy. And I have to say he's been a pretty entertaining character to play so far. :D


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Guys we have to get to 1500 pages in the next four hours, or else I won't be awake to see it ): 

I won't be awake to see it if we don't hit it in the next hour, tops. 


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Ideas for 1500 page celebration:

 

Everyone draws Solas, even if they're terrible artists. 

Everyone posts a song that makes them think of Solas/Lavellan romance.

???? Solas ?????


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Ideas for 1500 page celebration:

 

Everyone draws Solas, even if they're terrible artists. 

Everyone posts a song that makes them think of Solas/Lavellan romance.

???? Solas ?????

 

I had the idea that all posts must be written to the tune of Hallelujah...


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I had the idea that all posts must be written to the tune of Hallelujah...

We can combine all of the ideas into one glorious Solas fest. It makes perfect sense.



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So I kind of wonder... does Solas gets jealous if we flirt with other people? Does he disapprove? Scold her? Pout and growl like a forgotten puppy?

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It's weird....I have been a die hard Cullenite for years, I mean I just adore the man, then boom a week ago I play my Lavellan and romance Solas, and now I'm more conflicted than ever.

(This is mostly due to me RPing my Amell Warden as my canon Inquisitor, who of course romances Cullen.)

But I love the Solas romance so much....and Solas himself is just so...bamf.

Maker dammit BioWare with your amazingly written and voiced characters!


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I had the idea that all posts must be written to the tune of Hallelujah...

 

Shameless plug for my own Solas/Lavellan video:

 

 

:whistle:


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It's weird....I have been a die hard Cullenite for years, I mean I just adore the man, then boom a week ago I play my Lavellan and romance Solas, and now I'm more conflicted than ever.

(This is mostly due to me RPing my Amell Warden as my canon Inquisitor, who of course romances Cullen.)

But I love the Solas romance so much....and Solas himself is just so...bamf.

Maker dammit BioWare with your amazingly written and voiced characters!

 

I just did the Cullen romance on my second playthrough...

 

Who'd have thought that the bald elf nerd was a more interesting romance than a hot recovering drug addict?

 

(I do love Cullen, I just can't get over my Solas)



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So I got to the fade-kiss scene again (yay! \o/) and managed to snag this screenshot:

 

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I finished my first run with DA:I with a Solas romance for shots and giggles and...  :crying:

 

For the the next run through I put him in Grey Warden Armour because, well, I'm spiteful like that  <_<  He looks spiffy in it tho  :wub:

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I was thinking back to the discussion on how Lavellan must feel after Solas removed her vallaslin.  This song seems appropriate:

 

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