But but but
Why
Why does that bother them?
They wanted him to be BI, or perhaps really don't like the idea?
I can understand how it can bother someone but what's to get mad about?
I'm confused
There is a certain population on tumblr that gets like this. They're mad that Bioware decided to make characters straight when they considered making them bi. They're taking it personally and lashing out.
People always have a way of showing themselves to be horrible, I guess.
A lot of ideas and thoughts and outlines are done during a creative process that will never make it to the final product. It's not a slight against anyone if people ran out of time or they decided in the end it didn't fit a character. It's just something that was never done, a half-finished idea that never took anything away from anyone.
I really wish more people understood how this works, because it's really a shitty thing to react in such a nasty way to people who did a damn good job delivering four years of their life in a neat little package for everyone to enjoy. And what happens? People spend more time crying and whining and complaining over things that aren't there than enjoying what there is. It's disheartening to say the least.
I'd like this more than once if I could.
Gah, I can´t seem to be able to create a decent looking Trevalyan, oh well,back to playing another Lavellan then 
Seriously though, I´m terrible at the character creator
It bums me out that people consistently bring all their complaints to David Gaider. Seems like he always gets the rudest comments.
I used to use tumblr a lot when I modded Sims Games,but I try not to use Tumblr like I used to seems to bring the worst out in people with drama and stuff. Of course there are a hell of a lot of good tumblrs out there too. My life has enough drama in it as it is if I wanted to see drama I'd just look at my own drama. sighes
It could be either or, although my guess is that they wanted him bi. As for why they're angry about that, they don't say... they just choose to throw rocks at him and put words in his mouth, it's hard to believe these people are the same species sometimes.
I remember when there was a similar situation with ME 1 (must habe been Kaidan), and the developers explained that voice actors often just record all lines for both sex cause its easier to sort it out after then be short on lines if you need them.
...i can understand being disappointed but no being disrespectful.
It bums me out that people consistently bring all their complaints to David Gaider. Seems like he always gets the rudest comments.
The worst part about it is that David didn't even write their characters.
People always have a way of showing themselves to be horrible, I guess.
A lot of ideas and thoughts and outlines are done during a creative process that will never make it to the final product. It's not a slight against anyone if people ran out of time or they decided in the end it didn't fit a character. It's just something that was never done, a half-finished idea that never took anything away from anyone.
I really wish more people understood how this works, because it's really a shitty thing to react in such a nasty way to people who did a damn good job delivering four years of their life in a neat little package for everyone to enjoy. And what happens? People spend more time crying and whining and complaining over things that aren't there than enjoying what there is. It's disheartening to say the least.
I understand where you are coming from and I'd agree if it was just an idea that got scrapped but I feel personally like this is far beyond that. Why would they record several dialogues for both Solas, Cullen and other characters regarding the romance, put it in the game and then not use it? Recording all that dialogue takes money and time and means that it's not just something they are unsure if they want in the final product. They've talked several times before about how they ran out of time and that their romances were added the last second.
I remember when there was a similar situation with ME 1 (must habe been Kaidan), and the developers explained that voice actors often just record all lines for both sex cause its easier to sort it out after then be short on lines if you need them.
...i can understand being disappointed but no being disrespectful.
Yup, it was Kaidan, I think one of the VA's, might have been Jen Hale, even confirmed that she had to do that too. Do people just forget this stuff? No, I won't give them that excuse...
I remember when there was a similar situation with ME 1 (must habe been Kaidan), and the developers explained that voice actors often just record all lines for both sex cause its easier to sort it out after then be short on lines if you need them.
...i can understand being disappointed but no being disrespectful.
This one with Cullen is a little more damning, however, because some banter showed an "I don't want drama" Dorian and Cassandra talking about how Quizzy was with Cullen. Still, I don't think it's right to gripe at people because something was scrapped.
wow have you guys seem Kiitosu concept for a younger Solas ?
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Are there any more? I want to see more. I need to see more.
He.. Did? o_o
Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:21 PM
It's... a little odd to see a thread where folks are speaking reasonably, from the heart as well as the head.
What is this? Narnia? Is this thread where unicorns come to chat?
I kid. Thanks for a good read.
Also, have a Solas!
http://artemorte.tum...d-me-this#notes
Yup, it was Kaidan, I think one of the VA's, might have been Jen Hale, even confirmed that she had to do that too. Do people just forget this stuff? No, I won't give them that excuse...
The outrage over Cullen is because a former BioWare QA tester said that Cullen was meant to be available for male Inquisitors but the cinematic team ran out of time. It went beyond just the recording thing.
As for Solas, I don't know. All I know is that "we ran out of time" is a perfectly valid reason for him not being bisexual in the game. I don't know why people take it as a personal attack. Not everything is about undermining someone's sexuality and sometimes reasons really are technical.
If Solas was initially supposed to be available for male and female players, I'll admit I'm disappointed that it didn't make it in for all those who looked forward to romancing him with a male Inquisitor. However, I'm not going to assume anything and I doubt BioWare will outright say their intention either way, just because they probably know it'll make people blow up and demand patches to put unfinished content in.
wow have you guys seem Kiitosu concept for a younger Solas ?
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Honestly, for me, this is a good looking human with pointed ears. Doesn't really look like Solas.
I'll just leave this here 
I understand where you are coming from and I'd agree if it was just an idea that got scrapped but I feel personally like this is far beyond that. Why would they record several dialogues for both Solas, Cullen and other characters regarding the romance, put it in the game and then not use it? Recording all that dialogue takes money and time and means that it's not just something they are unsure if they want in the final product. They've talked several times before about how they ran out of time and that their romances were added the last second.
I understand why people would be disappointed, but I don't understand what you mean when you say "it's far beyond that." Whether they ran out of time, or ultimately decided to make the characters straight, it's not like the developers are trying to be exclusionary.
I understand where you are coming from and I'd agree if it was just an idea that got scrapped but I feel personally like this is far beyond that. Why would they record several dialogues for both Solas, Cullen and other characters regarding the romance, put it in the game and then not use it? Recording all that dialogue takes money and time and means that it's not just something they are unsure if they want in the final product. They've talked several times before about how they ran out of time and that their romances were added the last second.
Recording the lines comes earlier in the process than the final animations and such. It's not really that expensive to record a little more dialogue once you already have a VA signed on (marginal costs are pretty low for that sort of thing as far as I know). Better to do while the VA is recording it just in case you'll need the lines, because bringing them back if you decide to change something would be much more expensive. Maybe they did want to include it in the game, but when it came down to the time crunch it was either animate for bisexual romances or animate the dragon encounters and they chose the latter. The price they paid for the VA work was a sunk cost at that point, and trying to fit in the animations for it would have resulted in an additional expenditure they could not/would not make.
I can appreciate why people are upset: There are a lot of things that I am very passionate about concerning games. But I think that the most vocal people on this issue are doing themselves a disservice with the stuff they're directing at the writers. It's one thing to be upset and to voice that, it's another thing to be rude, entitled, and hateful. The former might cause change, the latter just makes everyone bitter and less likely to bother with something in the future.
ANYWAY
Fanart is needed to brighten the mood I think!
The fabulous Limpstella does a lot of funny Solas-related comics on Tumblr and if you don't follow her you should >.>
source: http://limpstella.tu...urenika-replied
Also she is wonderful and drew my Quizzie and it is beautiful and I'm in love.
Mm I don't perfume as well and I get what you are saying, but I can't imagine how could her scent get stuck on him that much XD
Like Cassandra would have to sniff him XD
And if it is her perfume it'll be weird, since I really can't imagine her wearing perfume XD
You'd be surprised. And it's not necessarily perfume as we think it is that Cass smelled. A couple years ago I joined a camp where we all practiced how to live the holistic herbal lifestyle. For fun and I wanted to know. The camp was in the middle of dense woodland area. We had no commercially produced shampoo, soaps, and stuffs. In stead, we made our own. We also a lot of ointment or hand pressed herbal oils on our skin for all kind of things: bug bites, scratch treatment, skin protection, etc... Living in the woods without knowing which herbs, ointments, balms, oils to put on your skin and protect it is a disaster in the making (imagine all the bug bites and leaf cuts you will get).
Potent perfumes are made with base essential oils. The more oil percentage there is in a perfume, the longer it lasts and the more deep the scent.
I lived in that camp for 4 weeks and when I came out, I kept smelling like camomille for days afterwards without putting on any. The smell lingered on my skin, my nails, my hair, even the clothes I brought back from that camp. I got so used to having some kind of smell on me that later on I started wearing perfume (or sometimes perfume oils for a change) almost every day. The scent makes me feel relaxed. I have an entire cabinet full of little perfume and scented oil bottles (that also doubles as skin balms and medicated ointments).
It would actually be stranger to me that a Dalish inquisitor does not have any kind of scented product on her always. It's part and parcel of the woodland living lifestyle.
Recording the lines comes earlier in the process than the final animations and such. It's not really that expensive to record a little more dialogue once you already have a VA signed on (marginal costs are pretty low for that sort of thing as far as I know). Better to do while the VA is recording it just in case you'll need the lines, because bringing them back if you decide to change something would be much more expensive. Maybe they did want to include it in the game, but when it came down to the time crunch it was either animate for bisexual romances or animate the dragon encounters and they chose the latter. The price they paid for the VA work was a sunk cost at that point, and trying to fit in the animations for it would have resulted in an additional expenditure they could not/would not make.
I can appreciate why people are upset: There are a lot of things that I am very passionate about concerning games. But I think that the most vocal people on this issue are doing themselves a disservice with the stuff they're directing at the writers. It's one thing to be upset and to voice that, it's another thing to be rude, entitled, and hateful. The former might cause change, the latter just makes everyone bitter and less likely to bother with something in the future.
ANYWAY
Fanart is needed to brighten the mood I think!
The fabulous Limpstella does a lot of funny Solas-related comics on Tumblr and if you don't follow her you should >.>
source: http://limpstella.tu...urenika-replied
Also she is wonderful and drew my Quizzie and it is beautiful and I'm in love.
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They do a disservice to themselves AND to the rest of us, I think we can all agree that they're a bunch of stupid people.
*throws in a blanket fort*
Yes, I do actually swear like a sailor most of the time, except here, here I've learned to behave. Sorry for the anger!
Edited for paranoia...
I wonder who the wizard is they're off to see. Maybe they're off to see the Warden. Meaning Blackwall. Get it? Cause...well, you've all played the game and seen/read TWoO.
You'd be surprised. And it's not necessarily perfume as we think it is that Cass smelled. A couple years ago I joined a camp where we all practiced how to live the holistic herbal lifestyle. For fun and I wanted to know. The camp was in the middle of dense woodland area. We had no commercially produced shampoo, soaps, and stuffs. In stead, we made our own. We also a lot of ointment or hand pressed herbal oils on our skin for all kind of things: bug bites, scratch treatment, skin protection, etc... Living in the woods without knowing which herbs, ointments, balms, oils to put on your skin and protect it is a disaster in the making (imagine all the bug bites and leaf cuts you will get).
Potent perfumes are made with base essential oils. The more oil percentage there is in a perfume, the longer it lasts and the more deep the scent.
I lived in that camp for 4 weeks and when I came out, I kept smelling like camomille for days afterwards without putting on any. The smell lingered on my skin, my nails, my hair, even the clothes I brought back from that camp. I got so used to having some kind of smell on me that later on I started wearing perfume (or sometimes perfume oils for a change) almost every day. The scent makes me feel relaxed. I have an entire cabinet full of little perfume and scented oil bottles (that also doubles as skin balms and medicated ointments).
It would actually be stranger to me that a Dalish inquisitor does not have any kind of scented product on her always. It's part and parcel of the woodland living lifestyle.
Mmmm I like that idea.
You'd be surprised. And it's not necessarily perfume as we think it is that Cass smelled. A couple years ago I joined a camp where we all practiced how to live the holistic herbal lifestyle. For fun and I wanted to know. The camp was in the middle of dense woodland area. We had no commercially produced shampoo, soaps, and stuffs. In stead, we made our own. We also a lot of ointment or hand pressed herbal oils on our skin for all kind of things: bug bites, scratch treatment, skin protection, etc... Living in the woods without knowing which herbs, ointments, balms, oils to put on your skin and protect it is a disaster in the making (imagine all the bug bites and leaf cuts you will get).
Potent perfumes are made with base essential oils. The more oil percentage there is in a perfume, the longer it lasts and the more deep the scent.
I lived in that camp for 4 weeks and when I came out, I kept smelling like camomille for days afterwards without putting on any. The smell lingered on my skin, my nails, my hair, even the clothes I brought back from that camp. I got so used to having some kind of smell on me that later on I started wearing perfume (or sometimes perfume oils for a change) almost every day. The scent makes me feel relaxed. I have an entire cabinet full of little perfume and scented oil bottles (that also doubles as skin balms and medicated ointments).
It would actually be stranger to me that a Dalish inquisitor does not have any kind of scented product on her always. It's part and parcel of the woodland living lifestyle.
I didn't even think of that, but now I remember how on historical tours the guides would always talk about how people in colonial times would be heavily perfumed and/or have scent bags (there's a name for this but I don't remember) because being around so many unwashed people all the time was sort of awful. So whereas now we see perfume/cologne as something people use only in certain instances, it was pretty much a necessity for anyone "back then".
It could even be what they eat...When I first started dating my now-boyfriend I was eating so much garlic that I smelled like it constantly. He even commented on it months later. Luckily he's Mediterranean so he likes garlic, but it was a little unsettling...
I do wonder how close Cassandra had to be to smell it on him though. Stay away from my elf Seeker!
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