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[buyachakka]

Oh, and have this nice little squee-worthy Solas moment:

 

I have a save right before this moment and played always the "safe route" because I was too afraid to choose this "getting to bed"-option.
Dont ask me why, I thought that would be too blunt and naughty for him.
Let me just say this:
I was in my "Who cares?!"-mood yesterday and picked randomly this option (already knowing that he would disapprove) ... and JUST DID NOT expect that!
After that I was giggling in my bed like a shy blushed maid....

Thank you Solas,
Thank you Weekes
 

[RebbyWriter]

Hmm..Looks like I didn't finish my Solas art in time for page 1500. Maybe I should wait until 2000? *slips image back under her desk*

[Mims]

Well, I do think that it was disingenuous for BioWare to continually ride that "but some characters are just straight (gay/bi/butterbrickle)" horse instead of telling the truth about development time limitations.

 

Bioware is allowed to make that decision though. In DA:2 they went with the 'everyone is bi/playersexual' approach. In DA:I, they went the exclusive route. If people dislike the exclusives route, then I think people should absolutely make it known that that approach is important to them. Both sides have their merits! But for DA:I, that isn't the approach they took.

 

Having dialogue in the game does not mean they were hiding a possible bi romance path for X character. This type of dual dialogues has existed in numerous bioware games in the past. If this just cropped up now, I would be of a different opinion. But it isn't new. This has been in almost every bioware game. 

[Brass_Buckles]

I have a save right before this moment and played always the "safe route" because I was too afraid to choose this "getting to bed"-option.
Dont ask me why, I thought that would be too blunt and naughty for him.
Let me just say this:
I was in my "Who cares?!"-mood yesterday and picked randomly this option (already knowing that he would disapprove) ... and JUST DID NOT expect that!
After that I was giggling in my bed like a shy blushed maid....

Thank you Solas,
Thank you Weekes
 

 

Well, considering his dialogue at the ball, we already know one thing about Solas:  He is not at all shy about liking sex.  Whether he got any with Lavellan or not, however, is entirely up to the player and perhaps his or her perception of that particular Lavellan's relationship with Solas.  (My Uth'shiral REALLY wanted to indulge in some of that sex he seems to like so much, but ended up totally unfulfilled in that regard.)

[Tielis]

Hm.  On another topic, I remember madrar going on a meta-tangent about how Solas might be sensing the Player controlling the Inqjuisitor's actions.

 

On a certain level, would that then mean that it's us, the players, romancing Solas, and not our Inquisitors, for story purposes?  That he's in love with the player, not Lavellan?

 

At that point it gets kind of weird, doesn't it?  Much as I adore the romances, I play them for my characters, not for me...

 

Still I thought that theory was very interesting, and quite possibly true, at least on some level.

 

Yeahhhh... that whole theory kind of gets weird for me just about now because of how hard I'm crushing on my male Lavellan...  Granted, he's not in a Solas romance, but they are best friends.  It's still not really somewhere I want to go.  

 

And I happen to be a straight female, but I have no problems having Mahanon hook up with Cassandra because I think she is just so awesome in a totally platonic way.  The same for Dorian, but I like Cass just a little better and that edges Dorian out of the running.

[Hedinve]

I must admit, I romance for me. My Lavellans are smiling through the ending party, I'm sobbing. The theory is maybe not sound (as in not intended by the developers), but interesting. People are doing some interesting research on the relationship between players and avatars, I'll see if I can dig something up some day.  

[Ieldra]

Well, I do think that it was disingenuous for BioWare to continually ride that "but some characters are just straight (gay/bi/butterbrickle)" horse instead of telling the truth about development time limitations.

Disingenious? Pfft. Some people *are* just straight/gay/whatever. The only reason they need for a character to be a certain way is "We have envisioned them that way." 

 

Gods, I was just coming into this thread anticipating some talk about Solas - I'm a fan, btw. - only to run into the same orientation crap that's been running for years. We have a somewhat plausible mix of fixed orientations and that is as it should be. And yes, that means that I too, do not get my preferred option. I'm fine with that. In-world plausibility trumps my personal preference any day.

 

With that out of the way, what do you all think about the way the romance ends? I'm ok with the fact that it must end, but found it came out of the blue at the end of that scene. Also, Solas came across as if he saw my Inquisitor as being nothing more than her "duty" to him, when it is, in fact, all about him. I was more than a little miffed in spite of knowing in advance that it must end.  

[madrar]

Purely from a design perspective, it would have been smart to make Solas bisexual. It would make sense to have two romances availble to only two race/gender combos: one that allows two races and one gender, and one that allows one race and two genders. Then four characters are availble to four combinations, and two characters are available to all eight combinations. Just feels more balanced, somehow.

I suspect it was as simple as prioritizing characterization. Sera's dismissive snark loses a lot of bite if she can't mock Sollavellan for "bumping bits" to single-handedly restore the Elvish Empire. And on the flip side, Dorian's backstory isn't nearly as cutting if you remove the familial pressure / cultural expectations placed on him to breed the perfect mage, and the horrifying lengths his father was willing to go to to "fix" him.

Both would lose something in the adjustments required to gender-unlock them. Personally, I prefer them as they are.

[Brass_Buckles]

Bioware is allowed to make that decision though. In DA:2 they went with the 'everyone is bi/playersexual' approach. In DA:I, they went the exclusive route. If people dislike the exclusives route, then I think people should absolutely make it known that that approach is important to them. Both sides have their merits! But for DA:I, that isn't the approach they took.

 

Having dialogue in the game does not mean they were hiding a possible bi romance path for X character. This type of dual dialogues has existed in numerous bioware games in the past. If this just cropped up now, I would be of a different opinion. But it isn't new. This has been in almost every bioware game. 

 

The reason that they went the route of choosing multiple sexualities is that they consider representation more important than making everyone available to everyone.  And, as a matter of fact, they said that if they had made all options available to all people, there would have been far fewer romance options anyway--probably four, the same as we got in DA2.

 

I respect their decision, and I respect that they chose who they did to be straight, gay, bisexual, and pansexual.  It's okay that they just are the way they are because Bioware said so, even if BioWare changed their minds about how they were going to be.

 

Personally my reason for wondering whether there's more reason behind Solas being straight than just "because he is" is more to do with his overall lesser amount of content.  But he's probably just straight because he is, and much as I want more content, it is probably not something we're going to get.  I hate to say it, but the more distance I get from the game, the more I feel like the end to Solas's romance was indeed final.  Romantic closure will probably be denied to us in favor of more plot-related and area-related stories.

[d4eaming]

There is actually a mod over at Nexus that turns all your Hawkes into city elves but not very canon compliant since there is no backstory to explain how they became Amells without being part human or how an elven family would come into that kind of wealth and power in a country where elves are still sold into slavery in the Imperium and which was  a former slave depot.

 

I played on PS3, but I am not necessarily opposed to buying DA2 for my PC depending on the mods XD I am assuming mods would work with digitally downloaded games, yes? Say, from Steam or Origin? I've played so much DA2 it'd be a drop in the bucket, but more Fenris, and with an elf even if it doesn't make sense

[Aviena]

I guess I must have missed this datamine of information? I suppose it had male Solas romance dialog in it or something?

 

Like others said, a lot of times the write extra dialog "for cover" when they go to the recording studios, in case they ever want to ever use it, they don't have to bring the actor back. There is also usually a lot of cut dialog in games, that may have been cut before it could have been recorded, but is still in the game files so it's still around in case they ever decide to add it later. Those are pretty standard practices. 

 

So, maybe at one point, they thought to make Solas bi. And then at some point they had a come to Jesus about what they actually had time to put in the game, and decided to cut the male half of the romance. I'm actually willing to bet that they realized they didn't have time/resources to do a Solas romance at all, but had already gotten so excited out breaking our hearts that they had to push to keep him female-only - which would fit with why he has so little content compared to the other romances. 

 

Thank you for teaching me a new phrase! "Had a come to Jesus". 

 

Does no one remember this? Re: actors recording extra lines...

 

M!Hawke reading F!Hawke lines

[d4eaming]

Yeahhhh... that whole theory kind of gets weird for me just about now because of how hard I'm crushing on my male Lavellan...  Granted, he's not in a Solas romance, but they are best friends.  It's still not really somewhere I want to go.  

 

And I happen to be a straight female, but I have no problems having Mahanon hook up with Cassandra because I think she is just so awesome in a totally platonic way.  The same for Dorian, but I like Cass just a little better and that edges Dorian out of the running.

 

I think both my elves are total hotties. I am so not ashamed to say I make them look gorgeous just I want something sexy to look at for 100 hours. I even take screenshots. Lots of them.

[Lorien19]

Disingenious? Pfft. Some people *are* just straight/gay/whatever. The only reason they need for a character to be a certain way is "We have envisioned them that way."

Gods, I was just coming into this thread anticipating some talk about Solas - I'm a fan, btw. - only to run into the same orientation crap that's been running for years. We have a somewhat plausible mix of fixed orientations and that is as it should be. And yes, that means that I too, do not get my preferred option. I'm fine with that. In-world plausibility trumps my personal preference any day.

With that out of the way, what do you all think about the way the romance ends? I'm ok with the fact that it must end, but found it came out of the blue at the end of that scene. Also, Solas came across as if he saw my Inquisitor as being nothing more than her "duty" to him, when it is, in fact, all about him. I was more than a little miffed in spite of knowing in advance that it must end.

Hmm,I don't know...Personally I wouldnt call the last scene where he breaks up with Lavellan coming out of the blue.Perhaps it wasn't his intention right then,but I assume that he came to the realisation that if he continued their relationship,it would have been impossible for him to leave.This is my interpretation at least,according to the look he gives to her after he abruptly stops kissing her.

[Tielis]

Disingenious? Pfft. Some people *are* just straight/gay/whatever. The only reason they need for a character to be a certain way is "We have envisioned them that way." 

 

Gods, I was just coming into this thread anticipating some talk about Solas - I'm a fan, btw. - only to run into the same orientation crap that's been running for years. We have a somewhat plausible mix of fixed orientations and that is as it should be. And yes, that means that I too, do not get my preferred option. I'm fine with that. In-world plausibility trumps my personal preference any day.

 

I was saying that it was disingenuous for them to not tell us that they were planning on putting them in but they didn't due to time constraints.  Instead, they told us that the characters were just "built that way".  If they truly were "built that way", then there would have been no reason to record those lines, would there?

 

Though if it is true that every BioWare game has these recordings, well... okay, I'm still not completely convinced, but I may be convinced to believe that they put them in just to give the modders a way to fulfill people's wishes.  

 

Please, I would never disapprove of someone writing a character a certain way, nor would I disapprove of any real person being a certain way.

[Mims]

 

Personally my reason for wondering whether there's more reason behind Solas being straight than just "because he is" is more to do with his overall lesser amount of content.  But he's probably just straight because he is, and much as I want more content, it is probably not something we're going to get.  I hate to say it, but the more distance I get from the game, the more I feel like the end to Solas's romance was indeed final.  Romantic closure will probably be denied to us in favor of more plot-related and area-related stories.

 

That's a perfectly valid argument! I don't disagree. I think once we have more spoiler info out about Solas, developers will be a bit more obliged to answer questions as far as character motivation goes. We may not get romantic closure, but I do think we will see more of Solas, and the more we see of Solas, the less guarded writers will be about discussing him. 

 

[Granted, I have no idea if the response will be anything more than 'he just is.' But, I can understand why they are sort of playing Solas a bit close to the chest. We haven't gotten really any information about Solas post-Fen'Harel.] 

[RynJ]

Maybe we should draw this "was Solas meant to be bi" conversation to a close? It doesn't really matter which it is because the Solas we got is what we got. If people want to headcanon him as bi because of that recorded dialogue, they can go ahead and we don't have to argue about it anymore. I just feel like it's starting to cause some tension.

[Tielis]

I think both my elves are total hotties. I am so not ashamed to say I make them look gorgeous just I want something sexy to look at for 100 hours. I even take screenshots. Lots of them.

 

Totally on board.  I just figured out how to work Shadowplay so I can make videos to watch over and over.  

[Aetheria]

With that out of the way, what do you all think about the way the romance ends? I'm ok with the fact that it must end, but found it came out of the blue at the end of that scene. Also, Solas came across as if he saw my Inquisitor as being nothing more than her "duty" to him, when it is, in fact, all about him. I was more than a little miffed in spite of knowing in advance that it must end.  

I kind of feel like it's part and parcel of all the unfinished business that made me go "wait that's it?" at the end of the game - seems like maybe they didn't want to tip their hand about what's next, so the romance storyline got cut off abruptly. It would make a lot of sense for that not to be the end of the story, but I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much.

[Ieldra]

@Tielis:

I see. I think many lines are recorded for "just in case we change it" purposes. Design decisions aren't set in stone after all. Just that they did this, however, doesn't mean their reasons for not changing anything at the end are any less valid.

 

@Lorien19:

I'm having more of an issue with the reason he gave: "I've been distracting you from your duty". That's as if someone dumped me because they thought my work should really consume my whole life.

 

@Aetheria:

I think it is the end, especially after that post-credits scene. I think the game is cut short around the end because they ran out of time.

[RynJ]

@Tielis:

I see. I think many lines are recorded for "just in case we change it" purposes. Design decisions aren't set in stone after all. Just that they did this, however, doesn't mean their reasons for not changing anything at the end are any less valid.

 

@Lorien19:

I'm having more of an issue with the reason he gave: "I've been distracting you from your duty". That's as if someone dumped me because they thought my work should really consume my whole life.

 

That reason is definitely not what the reason actually was. It's the paper-thin excuse he gave you.

[d4eaming]

Totally on board.  I just figure out how to work Shadowplay so I can make videos to watch over and over.  

 

I save before important cutscenes, and reload when I want to go through them again. Then I can choose different dialogue options just for giggles.

 

I have an unhealthy obsession with my two elves. I would totally ship them together. Dalish First with his sexy redheaded archer protector. I could so get behind that. And in front of it. And everywhere else.

[Aetheria]

Thank you for teaching me a new phrase! "Had a come to Jesus". 

 

Does no one remember this? Re: actors recording extra lines...

 

M!Hawke reading F!Hawke lines

Please tell me there is a mod that puts that "ruffles" line in the game. Preferably in several different conversations.

[Aviena]

That reason is definitely not what the reason actually was. It's the paper-thin excuse he gave you.

 

"I'm going to try something that could have disastrous consequences for anyone who's not an ancient Elvhen" might not have gone down as smoothly.

[Brass_Buckles]

That's a perfectly valid argument! I don't disagree. I think once we have more spoiler info out about Solas, developers will be a bit more obliged to answer questions as far as character motivation goes. We may not get romantic closure, but I do think we will see more of Solas, and the more we see of Solas, the less guarded writers will be about discussing him. 

 

[Granted, I have no idea if the response will be anything more than 'he just is.' But, I can understand why they are sort of playing Solas a bit close to the chest. We haven't gotten really any information about Solas post-Fen'Harel.] 

 

I am not entirely okay with how little overall content he has compared to some others.  I really wanted more.  I hope for more romance content to come, while not expecting it in the least.

 

The only story-related (as opposed to characterization, which would just be "because that's just the way he is"--and it's a valid reason that I don't argue with at all) reason for Solas being straight would be if it involved something he could only do with a woman.  And, well... that pretty much leaves future god-baby, which is why I threw that theory out there pages upon pages ago.  I maintain it would be nice to have the option, mostly because it would mean we got more romantic content.

[BubbleDncr]

Thank you for teaching me a new phrase! "Had a come to Jesus". 

 

Does no one remember this? Re: actors recording extra lines...

 

M!Hawke reading F!Hawke lines

 

Lol, It's a phrase that comes up a lot during video game production pipelines....