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[LobselVith8]

Yeah, I also think that male Lavellan is going to get the Vallaslin-removal chance later on.  It does seem odd for the poor guy to find out from Corypheus just what they are and end up

 

 

What vallaslin meant during the time of Arlathan doesn't reflect what vallaslin means now to the People - a reminder, after the fall of the Dales, never to surrender who they are. If it is addressed in the future, I hope the same agency a romanced Lavellan had to tell this to Solas is also available for a male Lavellan.

[BubbleDncr]

Ha! I got pretty annoyed myself about The Witcher ( I got up to the point you dave a woman on the road a night from a group of bandits and its very clear what their intents were towards her. So I save her and get to choose a reward between asking for payment 'because what she would have lost is valuable' and inviting her to the barn myself. So I shut the game down and never went back)

 

But Bioware's male character I have no problem playing. Got myself a male Lavellan romancing Dorian bromancing Solas. Also a mage pro-circle with Cass who is pretty much rival to Solas.

 

I eventually end up making male characters in Bioware games - in my 5 world states, I have 2 male Wardens, and 2 male Hawkes. I just don't want it to be my only option. 

 

 

In other news...

 

The internet led me to songs from the 90's, and made remember this song I completely forgot existed. But it seems appropriate for my Lavellan...

[Illyria]

"You've stolen my face!"

 

"Got my faaaace back!"

 

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"Regroup! Regroup! Pea soup!"

 

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And...I suddenly miss Hawke.

 

"My face is not a shield!"

 

"If we could end this before I bleed out, that would be ideal!"

 

 

 

That was 2:45 of PURE GOLD. 

 

I miss Hawke every time I hear Varric yell 'one more for me!' in battle because I expect him to follow it up with 'how many have you got, Hawke?'
 

[Tielis]

What vallaslin meant during the time of Arlathan doesn't reflect what vallaslin means now to the People - a reminder, after the fall of the Dales, never to surrender who they are. If it is addressed in the future, I hope the same agency a romanced Lavellan had to tell this to Solas is also available for a male Lavellan.

 

Yes, I think the choice is necessary, as it is a highly personal decision.  Some Lavellans would be like "get this **** off me NOW" while others will be like "haha yeah, EAT your slave markings, bitches".

[zambixi]

So I'm replaying through my canon from the beginning (i.e. Origins). I'm talking to Flemeth, and I have to wonder how much they knew starting this game, about where they were going to be in DA:I.  Some fun lines:

 

Flemeth: "Considering what the world has done to me, I have already done more than it deserves"

Warden: "And what has the world done to you?"

Flemeth: "That is between the world and me; your business is elsewhere."

 

"No one person in all of Thedas has enough power to stand against the Blight"

 

"I am but an old woman whom the world has largely forgotten"

 

Warden: "You don't seem happy about that"

Flemeth: "I am not, nor was I then. It dictated all that followed: (in regards to being happy about men chasing after young Flemeth)

 

"I laugh at a world full of stupid humans who ignore the Blight's evil and abandon their vigilance to chase mortal goals."

 

Also, interesting differences between Flemeth's feelings towards the Grey Wardens and Solas'. She could have easily left Alistair and the Warden to die and the order in Ferelden would have been lost. Solas seems pretty resolute in his ideas that the Wardens aren't worth saving, and it hasn't really been that long since the last blight in DA:I (10 years right?)

[Brass_Buckles]

Pretty much this. Given the topic of this thread ( ), everyone here probably has plenty of experience playing games with set straight, white male protagonists, even though that particular type of protagonist doesn't align with the kind of character we'd like to play. Part of the joy of Bioware games is that they don't force that.

 

This is why months back I created that "Could We Please See More of the Lady Inquisitor?" thread.  And, while TV trailers and main trailers still pretty much used the dude-Inquisitor, we did get to see lots of Lady Inquisitor in the gameplay demos at the major gaming events leading up to release.  It's a step forward, that way.

 

I do think choice is important, though.  I do sometimes decide to play a male character--more so with MMOs than with singleplayer, but sometimes that other perspective is interesting and welcome.

 

I would not have bought that game. Bioware is my little island in the world of games where I get to play the protagonist that I want to play, and it actually matters (as opposed to say, Elder Scrolls, where I can play whatever I want but it rarely affects the story in a meaningful way). DA: 2 and Mass Effect are about as limited as I want to be in a Bioware game. There are SO many other games that already do what you're describing - and honestly probably do it better - that I just...nope...

 

I like to read the books/comics/etc. to see what the writers would do with complete freedom and they're pretty good, but I can't say I'm floored by the results when they get full freedom to do what they please without having to worry about player preferences. It's about the same level of quality tbh.

 

I would have bought that game, but only if it were a spinoff with a tighter focus than DA:I.  It would have had to be a game bridging the gap between DA2 and DAI that was strictly focused on elf-oriented things, so that it would have been more meaningful for that elf.

 

As it stands, though, DA:I is very elfy and very human-y.  Dwarves get a little with the Deep Roads and Valammar and that above-ground thaig, but qunari don't seem to get much at all specific to qunari.

 

I love freedom and choice and I don't want to see that go away.  But I also think that sometimes, some stories might be more interesting if we just had one protagonist, instead of having them spend so many resources to give us every protagonist we can dream up.  I'd rather see those be a side-story, a far smaller RPG bridging the gap, or serving as a prequel to the series, than a main game, though.

 

I eventually end up making male characters in Bioware games - in my 5 world states, I have 2 male Wardens, and 2 male Hawkes. I just don't want it to be my only option. 

 

 

In other news...

 

The internet led me to songs from the 90's, and made remember this song I completely forgot existed. But it seems appropriate for my Lavellan...

 

Yeah, same here, I might play male characters, but my first choice is usually female--and more often than not I choose elf when I can.

[kalasaurus]

I just went back through a large chunk of the game, recording stuff for future Solas fan videos.  I go back to watch them and the frame rate significantly dropped in the videos and it jumps frames.

 

 

Well, that was fun.

[LobselVith8]

Also, interesting differences between Flemeth's feelings towards the Grey Wardens and Solas'. She could have easily left Alistair and the Warden to die and the order in Ferelden would have been lost. Solas seems pretty resolute in his ideas that the Wardens aren't worth saving, and it hasn't really been that long since the last blight in DA:I (10 years right?)

 

I've wondered about that. Perhaps Solas has an alternative plan to the Joining and the Grey Warden Order, and the destruction of the Old Gods? He seems to have a plan. We also know Zathrian lamented the corruption of the Old Gods as well, during the Fifth Blight, so perhaps that might tie into his opposition to the Order.

 

Zathrian says, "As if it weren't enough that one of the most noble and terrible creatures ever to be spawned of our world should be twisted into something so... unnatural. I cannot imagine what we shall do once we encounter it."

[Uirebhiril]

Well, I do think that it was disingenuous for BioWare to continually ride that "but some characters are just straight (gay/bi/butterbrickle)" horse instead of telling the truth about development time limitations.

 

That's kind of asking for justification for a character to be straight. Where are we going from this point if they have to start saying the only reason a character is straight is because they didn't have time to make them bi? Whatever the reason for it, the character ended up straight. It wasn't a slight against others, it wasn't taking something from their plates. It's just what it is, and after playing the game I hope we all found something to like in every character no matter if we can "bang" them or not.

[Izzyl]

Hey guys!

 

Sorry if I interrupt something but as I was browsing some videos about The Well of Sorrow, I came across this here:

 

 

Source: https://www.youtube....h?v=PuI7_xazDrE

 

I know it's off topic but I was wondering what would be your thoughts about it. 

[Era'harel]

A version of him with hair

I like him better without though.

AHHHHHH!  It's a Solas/Thranduil hybrid.  **HIGHLY APPROVES**

[Tielis]

That's kind of asking for justification for a character to be straight. Where are we going from this point if they have to start saying the only reason a character is straight is because they didn't have time to make them bi? Whatever the reason for it, the character ended up straight. It wasn't a slight against others, it wasn't taking something from their plates. It's just what it is, and after playing the game I hope we all found something to like in every character no matter if we can "bang" them or not.

 

Agreed, "banging" isn't the be all end all.  Not being snarky here, I do believe that.

 

As far as every character being PC-sexual, well, I know this stance is unpopular, but I believe one can never have too many choices.  Though in Dorian's case, if he was PC-sexual, his story arc would have to be written around something other than his sexuality being the catalyst.

[madrar]

Hm. On another topic, I remember madrar going on a meta-tangent about how Solas might be sensing the Player controlling the Inqjuisitor's actions.

On a certain level, would that then mean that it's us, the players, romancing Solas, and not our Inquisitors, for story purposes? That he's in love with the player, not Lavellan?

At that point it gets kind of weird, doesn't it? Much as I adore the romances, I play them for my characters, not for me...

Still I thought that theory was very interesting, and quite possibly true, at least on some level.

It does get a little weird. =w=

Still, I think there's something there, even if it's just Bioware occasionally nudging us about game-as-fade parallels and opportunities for "real" change. It definitely puts an uncertain spin on some Solavellan interactions, but most of the relevant comments aren't romance gated, and Solas isn't the only one who can sense something beyond the surface.

Cole describes Solas as "bright", his "voice ringing with fullness from both worlds, guiding me to the shining places." It seems reasonable to infer that, from his perspective, "complete" beings literally shine, like the key shards when you view the world through the eyes of the Tranquil. It makes sense. The shards simultaneously unlock a physical door and what we assume is a fade prison, thus must exist on both sides of the veil. Also (extrapolating context from earlier banter) the "shining places" becomes a plausible reference to the Beyond, where spirits that have changed and been "forgiven" can rejoin the Maker. Solas certainly guides Cole in this, helping him to return to an existence of benevolent purpose either as spirit or man- critically as a result of Cole's desire and choice to do so, not as a result of blind obedience to his spirit nature.

Anyway. The key point here is how Cole describes the Inquisitor, when asked.

Cole: "You’re too bright. Like counting birds against the sun. The mark makes you more. But past it… you reach across, mindful, meaning. You pull it through to this side, make it real here. And past that, the weight of all on you. All the hopes you carry, fears you fight. You are theirs."

Too bright. Even brighter (more "real") than Solas. As fully as he inhabits both the reality of Thedas and the fade, the Inquisitor exists on an additional level. As he explains in true Cole fashion, the mark (the Inquisitor's connection to the Fade) is one component of that brightness, but not all. Past that is the Inquisitor's physical existence, which has a racial element well worth picking apart on its own, given key differences if she's a dwarf. And past that...? The final piece is the player, with the weight of all on us. The guiding spirit on whom all of the Inquisitor's actions and choices depend.

Given the similarities of their nature and apparent meta-perceptive abilities, if Cole can perceive this in the Inquisitor, it's not much of a stretch to imagine that Solas is similarly aware.

(...or even more so, if- as Sister Squish pointed out- he had a direct pre-game hand in anchoring you to the Inquisitor, Neverending Story-style. @w@)

[Birdy]

There's also a fair amount of unused combat dialouge from the various mooks in the game which involves the line 'THERE'S A DONKEY IN THE SPOON DRAWER.'

 

That has nothing to do with anything that's been said.  I just really like that line.

 

EDIT:

 

Hehe, playing with the dialogue files I found a couple of those.  XD One was something about stealing fish. 

[zambixi]

I've wondered about that. Perhaps Solas has an alternative plan to the Joining and the Grey Warden Order, and the destruction of the Old Gods? He seems to have a plan. We also know Zathrian lamented the corruption of the Old Gods as well, during the Fifth Blight, so perhaps that might tie into his opposition to the Order.

 

Zathrian says, "As if it weren't enough that one of the most noble and terrible creatures ever to be spawned of our world should be twisted into something so... unnatural. I cannot imagine what we shall do once we encounter it."

 

Well Flemeth doesn't want to destroy the Old Gods either, to be fair. I thought it was implied later that she sends Morrigan along with the Warden for the sole purpose of doing the Dark Ritual and reclaiming the soul of Urthemiel. Perhaps Solas does not know of that ritual, or does not know that it was (potentially) followed for the Fifth Blight? I seriously doubt that information was shared with the Wardens (though it should have been), so it's unlikely to become common practice either way unless Flemeth has a bunch of other daughters lined up for future Blights.

 

Not sure how much Zathrian knows about the Blight; he's old but not quite that old, I think. Definitely not one of the ancient elves. I do think he shares Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas' general attitude that too much has been lost/corrupted though.

[Tielis]

AHHHHHH!  It's a Solas/Thranduil hybrid.  **HIGHLY APPROVES**

 

GAH Thranduil  *faints*  I know he's an arse, but    forever and ever

 

I know this thought is not very good for Thedas, but am I the only one who longs to see the elven gods in all their glory?

[Birdy]

GAH Thranduil  *faints*  I know he's an arse, but    forever and ever

 

I know this thought is not very good for Thedas, but am I the only one who longs to see the elven gods in all their glory?

That would be awesome. As long as the Dread Wolf lets Quizzy be on her knees before him.  >.> 

Lol. It would make for very interesting storyline. But I think most of them are dead now, if we're saying the Old Gods/Archdemons are the same as the Elven Gods.

[Zaori]

There's... there's a face leering at them from the waterfall.

Hahaha good catch. "The veil is thin here" after all xD

[Mims]

 

I know this thought is not very good for Thedas, but am I the only one who longs to see the elven gods in all their glory?

 

Oh, completely. I think they'd make an awesome bunch of potential antagonists/allies. I am fairly certain they are coming back regardless of whether or not we talk Solas down. There's just so much drama that could go on with their return. 

[Renmiri1]

Thank you for teaching me a new phrase! "Had a come to Jesus". 

 

Does no one remember this? Re: actors recording extra lines...

 

M!Hawke reading F!Hawke lines

lol  so true

 

And I think solas heartache is akin to losing one's religion

 

[Renmiri1]

There's... there's a face leering at them from the waterfall.

Cole ?

[zambixi]

GAH Thranduil  *faints*  I know he's an arse, but    forever and ever

 

I know this thought is not very good for Thedas, but am I the only one who longs to see the elven gods in all their glory?

 

I do. I want it so badly it hurts.

 

That would be awesome. As long as the Dread Wolf lets Quizzy be on her knees before him.  >.> 

Lol. It would make for very interesting storyline. But I think most of them are dead now, if we're saying the Old Gods/Archdemons are the same as the Elven Gods.

 

I'd prefer the Dread Wolf be on his knees before her. Lavellan for Goddess 9:43 Dragon!

[Tielis]

lol  so true

 

And I think solas heartache is akin to losing one's religion

 

Curses!  Just as I stop going around singing that song, you put it in my head again!  

[kalasaurus]

Cole ?

 

Cole's always been there with Solas and Lavellan... watching...

 

[Mims]

Cole's always been there with Solas and Lavellan... watching...

 

 

He's a shipper!