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[Brass_Buckles]

Maybe a little of both?  I think he did it initially to control the Quizzy, got distracted by love, and changed his plans for her.

 

I don't think he ever wanted to use romance as a means to control her.  I think he wanted to use her to get to the orb, but then he started to actually like her and care about her as a person--before romance even came into the equation.

 

Then she kissed him in the Fade, which (if you break up with him right after that) he seems to prefer hadn't happened, because then he got emotionally tangled up with someone he knew he couldn't be with.  And he is emotionally entangled--he could have let her walk away, but instead he grabbed her and kissed back.  Emotion got the better of him, and then he couldn't get away without someone being hurt.  Both of them, even.

 

Though I don't know how he takes a breakup at the end, he still doesn't seem too hurt by it (to me) at the balcony scene if you break up with him then.  He's in earnest when he says it would be kinder not to romance Lavellan.  And that final scene?  Well, he's doing his best to tell her how deeply he cares, and I speculate that it's because he wants her to understand that he didn't leave because of her or because he didn't love her.  It's cruel of him, since that just makes it worse, but I do believe he wants her to understand there's a reason behind it and that she is not to blame--he loves her, after all.  You can see on his face how much it hurts him to leave--especially if you take the sad options.

[Birdy]

thank you everyone for helping me out there I was like wtf when he just did what he did at the end

Lol. No problem, when you want to talk again, we're all here for you. 

[Patchwork]

I don't think he entered a romance to control her, he seems to think the entire thing is a bad idea but can't help himself. The reason he stuck around, at least initially imo, was because of the Anchor and to make sure the Inquisitor used it to close the rifts and not go on a power crazed ego trip. 

 

Whatever happened to Mythal it seems highly personal rather than ideologically based. I think she was killed by her fellow Creators (minus Fen'Harel) and her story runs on the same lines as Flemeth's, that's why they're so closely bonded. 

[Birdy]

I don't think he ever wanted to use romance as a means to control her.  I think he wanted to use her to get to the orb, but then he started to actually like her and care about her as a person--before romance even came into the equation.

 

Then she kissed him in the Fade, which (if you break up with him right after that) he seems to prefer hadn't happened, because then he got emotionally tangled up with someone he knew he couldn't be with.  And he is emotionally entangled--he could have let her walk away, but instead he grabbed her and kissed back.  Emotion got the better of him, and then he couldn't get away without someone being hurt.  Both of them, even.

 

Though I don't know how he takes a breakup at the end, he still doesn't seem too hurt by it (to me) at the balcony scene if you break up with him then.  He's in earnest when he says it would be kinder not to romance Lavellan.  And that final scene?  Well, he's doing his best to tell her how deeply he cares, and I speculate that it's because he wants her to understand that he didn't leave because of her or because he didn't love her.  It's cruel of him, since that just makes it worse, but I do believe he wants her to understand there's a reason behind it and that she is not to blame--he loves her, after all.  You can see on his face how much it hurts him to leave--especially if you take the sad options.

He ignores it, if I remember it correct.  

And maybe not use romance specifically as a control, but I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his plans a bit to use Quizzy's feelings against her.  Solas plays a nice character, but he has his own agenda and isn't always going to play nice to get what he wants.  I'm not saying he didn't change, but I don't think it's as soon as the first scene.

[Brass_Buckles]

He ignores it, if I remember it correct.  

And maybe not use romance specifically as a control, but I wouldn't put it past him to have changed his plans a bit to use Quizzy's feelings against her.  Solas plays a nice character, but he has his own agenda and isn't always going to play nice to get what he wants.  I'm not saying he didn't change, but I don't think it's as soon as the first scene.

 

He has an agenda, but he's really not that much of a manipulator, either.  He actually IS a decent person, to some extent.  Note that he gains approval when you help random people, or do nice things (flowers on a tomb, scattering ashes in the Emerald Graves).  He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd try to use someone for their emotions.  As a matter of fact, the first thing he does when you wake from the Fade scene with him, is tell you that it might not be such a great idea and he needs to think about it, if you really want to continue that with him.

 

So no, romance was never in his plans, and he wasn't trying to use that romance against the Inquisitor.  If anything he wanted to avoid it because he didn't want to hurt her--he tried to tell her so repeatedly post Fade scene.

 

Edited to add: And if ever he had planned to use romance against the Inquisitor, then it should have been possible for us to romance him as something other than an elf, I think.  Because if real emotions hadn't come into it from the start, why would it matter who he was manipulating?

 

And by "not that much of a manipulator," well, I know he DOES manipulate events.  But I don't think he tries to manipulate people emotionally.  Just doesn't seem that kind of guy.

[Aetheria]

And for some reason this has become my Solas song, not my Solavellan song...my Solas song.  I...don't know why.

 

Spoiler

Aw yeah VNV Nation.

 

I've been listening to "Beloved" a lot the past couple of days. Because this is totally how I see it ending:

 

[Birdy]

He has an agenda, but he's really not that much of a manipulator, either.  He actually IS a decent person, to some extent.  Note that he gains approval when you help random people, or do nice things (flowers on a tomb, scattering ashes in the Emerald Graves).  He doesn't strike me as the sort who'd try to use someone for their emotions.  As a matter of fact, the first thing he does when you wake from the Fade scene with him, is tell you that it might not be such a great idea and he needs to think about it, if you really want to continue that with him.

 

So no, romance was never in his plans, and he wasn't trying to use that romance against the Inquisitor.  If anything he wanted to avoid it because he didn't want to hurt her--he tried to tell her so repeatedly post Fade scene.

 

Edited to add: And if ever he had planned to use romance against the Inquisitor, then it should have been possible for us to romance him as something other than an elf, I think.  Because if real emotions hadn't come into it from the start, why would it matter who he was manipulating?

 

And by "not that much of a manipulator," well, I know he DOES manipulate events.  But I don't think he tries to manipulate people emotionally.  Just doesn't seem that kind of guy.

OR, he approves of the Quizzy helping others and being nice because that would be easier to get the Quizzy to help him or control.  The best kind of manipulators are the ones you don't think capable.

 

He's also amazingly racist, think he could have stomached romancing other races?

[Gervaise]

What would have made it better for me would be if he contacted her in her dreams and gave that message he gave to/through Cole.   So you are directed to your quarters, she gets the message and wakes up, credits roll and then you get the epilogue.    That would have made sense to me.    Instead you have to rely on getting a message through Cole after the epilogue.   Well I went to see him and got nothing - think it was another one of those blips - because there was nothing.     So I went back to the main keep, clicked on Varric and played Wicked Grace, which cheered me up a bit.     However, when I tried carrying on exploring it just wasn't the same.   It wasn't made better by the fact that people kept talking as if Cory was still alive.    This is why I backtracked to just after the tutorial and began again so I could experience the whole game with Solas still with me.   I feel pretty much the same about a DLC.   If it slots in somewhere before the end of the main plot, then fine.    If it is meant to happen after it and doesn't involve Solas, then forget it.   I think the epilogue was setting us up for DA4, so I doubt the fate of Solas will be covered with a DLC.

 

I know there were warnings right from the beginning of the romance that things might work out rather badly but I really never thought it would end the way it did, particularly as Lavellan in game has not seen the epilogue so is really left dangling and confused why he went off without explaining yet again, when he promised her that when the big bad was defeated he would tell.     So far as I am concerned she is anything but free.

[caridounette]

so you think he was using her because of her green glowly hand?

 

Thats why he got into the Inquisition in the first place. He he wanted something acomplished (getting the orb back I think) and helping out made sense.

 

Then the path is way less clear because it applies to all Inquisitor... but he always makes his mind on the 'worthiness' of the Inquisitor. If youre good friends, he says he respects you (that being much when it comes from an anciant god with his very narrow view of the world)

 

If you romance him he says 'you change everything' and has to break up. So theres a bit of both in there, he doesnt love Lavellan enough to put her ahead of his plan (or share that plan), but he also knows he has her in the palm of his hand by that point and shows that he cares by not keeping her in a relationship based on half-truths (and thats a lot coming from him compares to his usual demeanor) and says it could have been diffrent in an other world.

 

I think he really loves Lavellan in that mythical and unexpected way a god falls for a mortal.

[Basement Cat]

Well, this is my third run. During the first two Solas did not like me much. Now I have been more careful with him and he just greeted me with 'my friend'. Vivienne hates me though. It seems impossible to be friends with both of them.

Dorian is my BFF as usual. He's easy to get along with.

[Ajna]

Aw yeah VNV Nation.

 

I've been listening to "Beloved" a lot the past couple of days. Because this is totally how I see it ending:

 

 

I've done that one *swallows*..that one is personal to me and not how I want it to end lol.

[Birdy]

Okay, I'm on my way out the door. Wish I could continue this line of thought, Maybe later.  DX

[Sah291]

I don't think he ever wanted to use romance as a means to control her.  I think he wanted to use her to get to the orb, but then he started to actually like her and care about her as a person--before romance even came into the equation.
 
Then she kissed him in the Fade, which (if you break up with him right after that) he seems to prefer hadn't happened, because then he got emotionally tangled up with someone he knew he couldn't be with.  And he is emotionally entangled--he could have let her walk away, but instead he grabbed her and kissed back.  Emotion got the better of him, and then he couldn't get away without someone being hurt.  Both of them, even.
 
Though I don't know how he takes a breakup at the end, he still doesn't seem too hurt by it (to me) at the balcony scene if you break up with him then.  He's in earnest when he says it would be kinder not to romance Lavellan.  And that final scene?  Well, he's doing his best to tell her how deeply he cares, and I speculate that it's because he wants her to understand that he didn't leave because of her or because he didn't love her.  It's cruel of him, since that just makes it worse, but I do believe he wants her to understand there's a reason behind it and that she is not to blame--he loves her, after all.  You can see on his face how much it hurts him to leave--especially if you take the sad options.

I agree, he was using the Quizzy, and the Inquisition to find the orb, and maybe as cover for own plans, but the relationship seems unexpected, and he is surprised when she turns out not to be what he thought. I think he probably expected the Quizzy to be more antagonistic, or possible enemy. But when she turns out to be more curious and thoughtful with a nuanced approach to leading, he becomes conflicted and starts to actually respect her.

[caridounette]

I don't think he ever wanted to use romance as a means to control her.  I think he wanted to use her to get to the orb, but then he started to actually like her and care about her as a person--before romance even came into the equation.

 

 

I dont feel he wants to use the romance to control her either. But I do feel he might be concerned by it being the case anyway (the game makes it clear hes not the kind to try and throw his 'godhood' around to get results).

 

That reminds me of a snippet of convo with Cole about the amulet binding. Cole says its ok to do it cause he asked for it and Solas answers something along the line of wanting it does not make it prefereable.

 

So he might just be the kind who belives one shoud get what they need and not what they want. (Oh and of course he feels he alone knows what Quizzy needs. /sigh )

[Illyria]

I tried the solas romance today, and Im kinda of confused dose he love the inquisitor or dose he just not care?

 

I completely believe he loves her (and also didn't fake being a good person).

[Illyria]

 

 

He's also amazingly racist, think he could have stomached romancing other races?

 

Maybe it's because I've only played the game as an elf and I got hit by the banter bug, but I keep seeing people say Solas is a racist and I'm wondering why?

 

Did I miss something by only playing as a Lavellan, or is his banter super racist?

[RynJ]

OR, he approves of the Quizzy helping others and being nice because that would be easier to get the Quizzy to help him or control.  The best kind of manipulators are the ones you don't think capable.

 

He's also amazingly racist, think he could have stomached romancing other races?

 

I don't think he ever tries to emotionally manipulate the Inquisitor. He doesn't seem to give a damn whether you like him or not if he doesn't like you. If he just wanted to emotionally use you, he'd suck up to you and make you like him. He most certainly never does.

 

Also, he's racist and doesn't think much of the other races but I wouldn't call him "super" racist. He comes to respect Varric and Cassandra and Blackwall really quickly and even becomes friends with Bull once he gives up the Qun. People exaggerate, I think.  Solas seems to rank people based on their connection with the Fade and elves have always had a greater one than any other race. It's also why he pities the dwarves more than dislikes them.

 

And I'm one of those who doesn't think we'll get the happiest ending with Solas but I kind of don't get people who question whether he loved you by the end? I thought that was pretty clear, honestly. His ending reveal has people thinking that everything we knew about his character was a lie but isn't that an enormous waste of time from a writing standpoint? Why introduce a character and then make everything you set up about their personality false? Why create a romance for a character that was just using you and never loved you? That would be a complete waste of a writer's effort.

 

Sorry, I just feel like I have to play a bit of "Solas defense squad" every now and then. 

[arelenriel]

I completely believe he loves her (and also didn't fake being a good person).

I agree. Having played the DA games since the beginning though I think it is clear that good and evil are not just seen in terms of black and white. For example, most perceive the Grey Wardens as being good but in order to end the Blights they have to do some pretty horrible things-- things that we in fact condemned the Mayor of Crestwood for doing in DAI such as killing the entire population of a village because they have the Taint. Celene is perceived by most Orlesians as being good yet she tried to retake Fereldan during DAO by trying to get Cailan to dump Anora and marry her (which you find out in the Return to Ostagar DLC) and has burned entire alienages worth of elves because of one individuals mistake .. and she has allowed a civil war to continue on for more than ten years (it began before she even took the throne according to TME) which has destroyed a significant amount of farmland and made a huge number of people homeless. Flemeth is painted as being evil yet has done much good for the people of Thedas including rescuing Alistair and the Hero of Fereldan-- it think the games and books essentially say that good or evil is in the eye of the beholder. For example, what Solas is planning may in fact be very good for both the elven people and the mages since he does say mages in the days of Arlathan were at less risk of possession etc .. but it may not be very good for the rest of society.. So we see Solas is good as in many cases our Quizzies are both elves and mages but someone human who worships the Maker maybe not so much.

[Shari'El]

Jeez

I just got the banter with Cole (took a freakin' long time, I think my banter is bugged) and ugh, UGHHH.

I'm playing with a small heartache all of the time, I actually prefer chatting about Solas in this forum then playing, it's really hard for me for some reason. It's like Lavellan's feelings got to me (btw Lavellan's feelings - annoying that the breakup doesn't affect her demeanor at all), it's kind of distracting, it makes me play as if I'm a heartbroken lass >_>

 

After more contemplation I now feel like Solas' meant for DA4 and won't be in the DLC, ugh, the heartpain.

 

By the way at the end of Solas & Coles' batner about the vallaslin Cole speaks of what we assume to be that Solas sealed the gods, and that in order to free them he needs to.... And then Solas interrupts him. Kind of ominous.

[caridounette]

Maybe it's because I've only played the game as an elf and I got hit by the banter bug, but I keep seeing people say Solas is a racist and I'm wondering why?

 

Did I miss something by only playing as a Lavellan, or is his banter super racist?

 

Solas is opinionated about a lot. So the way he acts about magic and whatnot is also how he talks about other races/cultures. 

 

If youre on a rivalry path with him, he will call humans 'thugs' for example. But a lot of it is more about proper culture and how 'things used to be'. Like his dislike of Sera, or how he sees dwarven culture. But when he talks to someone like Varric, who can prove a point about not being slave to traditions one does not understand, he will gracefully concede.

 

In a way, he is elitist far more then racist and starts with a very low opinion of people and the way things are. His bar for 'worthiness' is set pretty high, youd think hes been around since a thousand years...

[Sah291]

OR, he approves of the Quizzy helping others and being nice because that would be easier to get the Quizzy to help him or control. The best kind of manipulators are the ones you don't think capable.

He's also amazingly racist, think he could have stomached romancing other races?

I thought of that too, but ultimately decided against it, since they took out rivalry and the approval system seems to be more or less straight forward most of the time. He also makes a point to say at the end "what we had was real" so I think that's just the writer's way of saying he wasn't just trolling you the whole entire time, or it's more complicated than that. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I don't really see him as racist either. I think he's at a point where he has given up on people because he's been let down so many times. He's supported so many doomed causes that failed. He's jaded and doesn't care anymore. But the Quizzy is always an exception in his eyes, if you gain his approval. I thought that was implied by the whole "the People need me" statement at the end. He remembered his purpose and cares about his plan/cause again....whatever that is.

I got the impression from DA2 (from Justice in the fade) that the opposite of pride (or purpose?) was actually sloth. And what does Solas admit he wants to do in that first convo in the fade? Run way, ignore things, etc...until the Quizzy shows up and "changed everything".

[sunhair]

I do believe he did/does love her,but at the end of the day he broke it off to possibly keep her safe knowing that what he has to do could put her in a hell of a lot of Danger and to the fact she hasn't a frigging clue as to who he truly is and once she finds out in his mind and with the way she was raised being Dalish  and taught about Fen'Harel. He might possibly think she isn't going to be as accepting of him even though she loves him. I know I have heard him mention a few times it is hard for him to trust people that could also be part of the reason he didn't tell Levallan about anything,but again I've no frigging clue.  These are just my random thoughts about it 

[scintilla]

I don't think he ever tries to emotionally manipulate the Inquisitor. He doesn't seem to give a damn whether you like him or not if he doesn't like you. If he just wanted to emotionally use you, he'd suck up to you and make you like him. He most certainly never does.

 

Also, he's racist and doesn't think much of the other races but I wouldn't call him "super" racist. He comes to respect Varric and Cassandra and Blackwall really quickly and even becomes friends with Bull once he gives up the Qun. People exaggerate, I think.  Solas seems to rank people based on their connection with the Fade and elves have always had a greater one than any other race. It's also why he pities the dwarves more than dislikes them.

 

And I'm one of those who doesn't think we'll get the happiest ending with Solas but I honestly don't get people who question whether he loved you by the end? I thought that was pretty clear, honestly. His ending reveal has people thinking that everything we knew about his character was a lie but isn't that an enormous waste of time from a writing standpoint? Why introduce a character and then make everything you set up about their personality false? Why create a romance for a character that was just using you and never loved you? That would be a complete waste of a writer's time.

 

Sorry, I just feel like I have to play a bit of "Solas defense squad" every now and then. 

 

I'm one of the people who exaggerates sometimes but that's mostly pushing back against people who make Solas out to be a better person than he is. I really don't like the idea that his interaction with Sera is him trying to "fix" his mistake or that questioning her identity is an act of benevolence (he may see it that way but that doesn't make it true). Interacting with Sera is one of those places where Solas is kind of a dick and that doesn't need justification; he doesn't need to be a martyr, hopelessly trying to help all the wayward sheep to be so much better than they are. He can be a dick and do unkind things and still be a good character that it's okay to like.

 

Agreed here. I mean, given that there are things that Solas was less than upfront about, I can understand questioning. I just don't see any evidence in game that he's the kind of person who would do something like that. Yeah, an entire game's worth of character development would be wasted if he was just faking everything. Since we can't say how much of a presence he will have in the future (he's got to be dealt with somehow, I think, but that doesn't mean he'll be around much), it would really be a big waste. I also don't think the Dragon Age team would have put in a romance that was pure manipulation without making that explicitly clear to the player.

[dragondreamer]

All songs lead back to Solas these days...

 

 

Spoiler

Lyrics:
I've been dreaming for so long,
To find a meaning to understand.
The secret of life,
Why am I here to try again?

Will I always, will you always
See the truth when it stares you in the face?
Will I ever, will I never free myself
By breaking these chains?

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

I've been living for so long,
Many seasons have passed me by.
I've seen kingdoms through the ages
Rise and fall, I've seen it all.

I've seen the horror, I've seen the wonders
Happening just in front of my eyes.
Will I ever, will I never free myself by making it right?

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

Jillian our dream ended long ago.
All our stories and all our glory I held so dear.
We won't be together
For ever and ever, no more tears.
I'll always be here until the end.
Jillian, no more tears...
Jillian, no more tears...

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

[sunhair]

All songs lead back to Solas these days...

 

 

Spoiler

Lyrics:
I've been dreaming for so long,
To find a meaning to understand.
The secret of life,
Why am I here to try again?

Will I always, will you always
See the truth when it stares you in the face?
Will I ever, will I never free myself
By breaking these chains?

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

I've been living for so long,
Many seasons have passed me by.
I've seen kingdoms through the ages
Rise and fall, I've seen it all.

I've seen the horror, I've seen the wonders
Happening just in front of my eyes.
Will I ever, will I never free myself by making it right?

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

Jillian our dream ended long ago.
All our stories and all our glory I held so dear.
We won't be together
For ever and ever, no more tears.
I'll always be here until the end.
Jillian, no more tears...
Jillian, no more tears...

I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back, it's my fault.
Your destiny is forlorn,
Have to live till it's undone.
I'd give my heart, I'd give my soul
I'd turn it back and then at last I'll be on my way.

Ok that's frigging messed up a Song with my name