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[Gervaise]

By the way, I just wanted to thank you for the advice that I didn't need to tote round a rogue with me if I didn't want to.    I've been running round the Hinterlands with one tank and 3 mage combo, Lavellan, Solas and Vivienne and they are just awesome.    Plus I'm now getting all the Vivienne interactions I missed first run through.    Mind you if it was real life I think everyone would be deaf by now with the amount of noise the combined mage attack makes.

 

Also, I hadn't realised that any of the companions can ride the horse, not just the Inquisitor.   I've been having fun watching Solas ride round.   I thought I would give him a new experience to think about since he has probably only ever ridden halla before.

[TheComfyCat]

On another note, I've been thinking about Fen'Harel's place in the elven pantheon. It seems like many of the ancient shrines we visit have those wolf statues, for example in Mythal's and Dirthamen's. But if he was known as the god of rebellion in ancient times, it seems odd for there to be statues/ murals of him in the shrines of other gods. It doesn't seem like most of them would purposely encourage rebellion. Was he originally considered a gaurdian? An arbitor? Did he speak to the gods on behalf of others, or was he a go-between for the gods? 

 

It just seems odd that he's so often depicted within the shrines of other gods.

 

ETA: Also, when I say "gods" I mean ancient powerful elves. I tend to agree with Solas in that the ancient gods were just powerful elves rather than actual deities.

[caridounette]

I don't think it's anything that dire, but he did promise if you asked to talk later that all would be made clear.  He promised.  And yet, nothing was made clear because his orb broke.  Poor puppy, he needs a new ball to play with now.  We didn't have any doggy treats to bribe him with so he'd follow us back home to Skyhold.  No one warned us we needed one of those wireless fences to keep Solas in the yard...

 

Anyway, I think the sad ending has made us all a little prone to depressive theories and negativity.

 

I prefer to think that if there is something terrible he's planning, we'll be able to stop him without killing him, and maybe he and Lavellan will even be able to be together again, despite it all.

 

More likely, what he's planning won't be terrible at all, but what other people do as a result will be the future problem.  Remember Sandal's prophecy about the magic coming back?  All of it?  For everyone?  Even the dwarves?  Yeah, that kind of world would be awesome--everyone has magic in the next game, maybe, in some form or another?  But it would also be potentially disastrous, not because of what Solas had done but because of what other people would do with their newfound abilities.

 

Yeah well, I sure hope so because as far as I remember all but romanced quizzies get the Tower card for solas at the end of the game. So if he isnt planning something terrible, that is meant to surprise us because the hints go the opposite direction. I want to be positively surprised tho.

[Uirebhiril]

I've played the beginning of this game so many times in the past week, trying to make the perfect character for Solas to love. You can tell he cares about her in the first hour of the game. The look of concern on his face when her hand hurts her, standing there at the forward camp, talking about using the mountain trail or charging in with the soldiers. He's standing in the background, looking at her as she grabs her hand in pain, and you can see how bad he feels for her. This was all his fault.

 

Does he know it's his fault at that point? Or does he learn just how the breach was caused the same time as everyone else, after the attack on Haven?

 

And if he's going to be caring about how the Herald of Andraste feels at that point, it would be on a basic level since he looks that way to all races and genders and doesn't really even know you.

[Shari'El]

By the way, I just wanted to thank you for the advice that I didn't need to tote round a rogue with me if I didn't want to.    I've been running round the Hinterlands with one tank and 3 mage combo, Lavellan, Solas and Vivienne and they are just awesome.    Plus I'm now getting all the Vivienne interactions I missed first run through.    Mind you if it was real life I think everyone would be deaf by now with the amount of noise the combined mage attack makes.

 

Also, I hadn't realised that any of the companions can ride the horse, not just the Inquisitor.   I've been having fun watching Solas ride round.   I thought I would give him a new experience to think about since he has probably only ever ridden halla before.

 

You... Can?

You can make Solas ride?

Why hasn't this come to my attention? Why haven't I tried it? What is wrong with me?!

I must watch him ride a freakin' hart

[dragondreamer]

I'm hoping the elven gods stuff might actually be addressed in DLC, if only because the epilogue gave me the impression that whatever is happening with the Wardens might be the main event for DA4.  Especially since DA4 is likely to be set further north, so I could see the Anderfels/Tevinter being the setting for whatever is next.  Or at least give Lavellan some form of closure before they move on, if Solas' story is continuing elsewhere.

 

 

On another note, I've been thinking about Fen'Harel's place in the elven pantheon. It seems like many of the ancient shrines we visit have those wolf statues, for example in Mythal's and Dirthamen's. But if he was known as the god of rebellion in ancient times, it seems odd for there to be statues/ murals of him in the shrines of other gods. It doesn't seem like most of them would purposely encourage rebellion. Was he originally considered a gaurdian? An arbitor? Did he speak to the gods on behalf of others, or was he a go-between for the gods? 

 

It just seems odd that he's so often depicted within the shrines of other gods.

 

 

At least the Dalish described Fen'Harel as someone who walked freely among both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, because both saw him as one of their own.  Which does sound a bit like a go-between.  Of course the Dalish got a lot wrong, but they may have been onto something there.  I have a suspicion that he may have been some sort of military leader/diplomat, which might have something to do with the wolf guardian imagery.  I think the "rebellion" association may have come later.

[scintilla]

Does he know it's his fault at that point? Or does he learn just how the breach was caused the same time as everyone else, after the attack on Haven?

 

You can have the conversation about the Breach being caused by some sort of artifact in Haven. He says he won't believe the artifact is broken until he holds the pieces in his hands (harsh, Weekes, harsh). So he probably does know before the attack on Haven.

 

I'm hoping the elven gods stuff might actually be addressed in DLC, if only because the epilogue gave me the impression that whatever is happening with the Wardens might be the main event for DA4.  Especially since DA4 is likely to be set further north, so I could see the Anderfels/Tevinter being the setting for whatever is next.  Or at least give Lavellan some form of closure before they move on, if Solas' story is continuing elsewhere.

 

The Warden stuff and the elven god stuff may be tied together. I'm thinking there's value in the idea that the origin of the Blight and the elven gods had something to do with one another.

[Aenne]

Hello other Solas fans and theorists! 

 

I just finished the game a couple days ago and I came here to find solace from my unyielding love of Solas.

 

I'm glad to see other Solas fans here and I share in your feels! It's been quite a roller coaster of emotions the past 48 hours and It's nice to see all the discussion. 

'Tis a pleasure to meet you all! 

[Shari'El]

You... Can?

You can make Solas ride?

Why hasn't this come to my attention? Why haven't I tried it? What is wrong with me?!

I must watch him ride a freakin' hart

 

I just did.

This is wonderful + some voice acting of him instructing the mount.

It's really embarrassing I'm so excited about this :|

[scintilla]

Hello other Solas fans and theorists! 

 

I just finished the game a couple days ago and I came here to find solace from my unyielding love of Solas.

 

I'm glad to see other Solas fans here and I share in your feels! It's been quite a roller coaster of emotions the past 48 hours and It's nice to see all the discussion. 

'Tis a pleasure to meet you all! 

 

Welcome to the thread!

 

[dragondreamer]

The Warden stuff and the elven god stuff may be tied together. I'm thinking there's value in the idea that the origin of the Blight and the elven gods had something to do with one another.

 

Yeah, I'm just really, really hoping we won't have to wait that long.     And if Solas' story doesn't continue until DA4, I think that may dash any hope of real closure for Lavellan.  So torn really, because on one hand I love the idea of Solas being such a big story figure, but on the other hand, my poor ship...

[Lorien19]

I just did.
This is wonderful + some voice acting of him instructing the mount.
It's really embarrassing I'm so excited about this :|

His voice sounds so calming and smooth,that I prefer having him riding my hart.

[Miss This or That]

I'm hoping the elven gods stuff might actually be addressed in DLC, if only because the epilogue gave me the impression that whatever is happening with the Wardens might be the main event for DA4.  Especially since DA4 is likely to be set further north, so I could see the Anderfels/Tevinter being the setting for whatever is next.  Or at least give Lavellan some form of closure before they move on, if Solas' story is continuing elsewhere.
 

 
At least the Dalish described Fen'Harel as someone who walked freely among both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, because both saw him as one of their own.  Which does sound a bit like a go-between.  Of course the Dalish got a lot wrong, but they may have been onto something there.  I have a suspicion that he may have been some sort of military leader/diplomat, which might have something to do with the wolf guardian imagery.  I think the "rebellion" association may have come later.

He also saved the children of a settlement/village in the story of the slow arrow. He did not save the adults, but he still helped the young ones.

I can see him as some kind of watching participant that only acts once everything else seems hopeless.

[NightSymphony]

Does he know it's his fault at that point? Or does he learn just how the breach was caused the same time as everyone else, after the attack on Haven?

 

And if he's going to be caring about how the Herald of Andraste feels at that point, it would be on a basic level since he looks that way to all races and genders and doesn't really even know you.

That's what I meant..sorry. He feels that way no matter who he or she is. But it looks very much like concern...like, if he/she dies...how am I going to fix this mess? I feel like he knows what happened right away. Solas was following Cory to try and get the orb back.

[Brass_Buckles]

I'm hoping the elven gods stuff might actually be addressed in DLC, if only because the epilogue gave me the impression that whatever is happening with the Wardens might be the main event for DA4.  Especially since DA4 is likely to be set further north, so I could see the Anderfels/Tevinter being the setting for whatever is next.  Or at least give Lavellan some form of closure before they move on, if Solas' story is continuing elsewhere.

 

 

At least the Dalish described Fen'Harel as someone who walked freely among both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones, because both saw him as one of their own.  Which does sound a bit like a go-between.  Of course the Dalish got a lot wrong, but they may have been onto something there.  I have a suspicion that he may have been some sort of military leader/diplomat, which might have something to do with the wolf guardian imagery.  I think the "rebellion" association may have come later.

 

Well, all of the Emerald Knights used to keep wolf companions.  Perhaps there was a reason for that, OR, conversely... maybe it's because of that that they deified a wolf?

 

We know that spirits form based on ideas and ideals.  What if the ancient elven gods are the same, and then Fen'harel, Dread Wolf, came into being and was then called and bound into an elven body (or that of a wolf)?  It would make a strange amount of sense if the elves once upon a time saw wolves as their brethren the way they see halla in the Dragon Age.  And since wolves have long shared an ambiguous relationship with humankind (they became dogs, after all), perhaps elves had a similar relationship with wolves, and thus Fen'harel.   He was a guide, a guardian, but also a potential threat that must be appeased.

 

Ever since someone pointed out that the Lady of the Forest said she was put into the "dread wolf's body"... it made me wonder.  Witherfang was male, the Lady of the Forest was female.  She said it was because of the duality of her nature, but, Fen'harel is also male.

 

So here's a strange and most likely completely false  theory for you:

 

Fen'harel is the origin of werewolves in general, and not all of them suffer the way the ones the Lady of the Forest made suffered.  Originally he was a spirit, or something like one, put into the body of a wolf.  But while he slept, the wolf body was taken from him.  He was stuck within the Fade, not that he wanted to leave yet.

 

Then Solas either found a new host--Solas, born in the Tevinter Imperium--or, conversely, began to become real just as you can help Cole to become real.

 

Eh, but that's just pure speculation.  The only thing I feel relatively sure about is that Solas's original role, prior to being the god of rebellion, must have tied in with the Emerald Knights' wolf companions somehow.  It was probably an even older role, since the Emerald Knights came about during the time of the Dales.  Unless of course you want to follow the theory that Shartan was Solas/Fen'harel, and they took wolf companions to honor the Dread Wolf, long after the fact.  More likely it was a remnant of lore that the Dalish have now lost, and by keeping their wolves, the ancient elves of the Dales were honoring Fen'harel.

[dragondreamer]

He also saved the children of a settlement/village in the story of the slow arrow. He did not save the adults, but he still helped the young ones.

I can see him as some kind of watching participant that only acts once everything else seems hopeless.

 

I tend to see that story as a metaphor for what he did to the elven empire.  He allowed everything they were to be destroyed in the hopes of a better future for the elves, but it didn't turn out that way.

[Ajna]

 

On another note, I've been thinking about Fen'Harel's place in the elven pantheon. It seems like many of the ancient shrines we visit have those wolf statues, for example in Mythal's and Dirthamen's. But if he was known as the god of rebellion in ancient times, it seems odd for there to be statues/ murals of him in the shrines of other gods. It doesn't seem like most of them would purposely encourage rebellion. Was he originally considered a gaurdian? An arbitor? Did he speak to the gods on behalf of others, or was he a go-between for the gods? 

 

It just seems odd that he's so often depicted within the shrines of other gods.

 

ETA: Also, when I say "gods" I mean ancient powerful elves. I tend to agree with Solas in that the ancient gods were just powerful elves rather than actual deities.

 

 

It's interesting that you bring this up, this is pretty much the role that Hermes plays in the Greek pantheon, many many similairites between them.

 

"Hermes is a god of transitions and boundaries. He is quick and cunning, and moves freely between the worlds of the mortal and divine, as emissary and messenger of the gods,^[1] intercessor between mortals and the divine, and conductor of souls into the afterlife. He is protector and patron of travelers, herdsmen, thieves,^[2] orators and wit, literature and poets, athletics and sports, invention and trade.^[3] In some myths he is a trickster, and outwits other gods for his own satisfaction or the sake of humankind. His attributes and symbols include the herma, the rooster and the tortoise, purse or pouch, winged sandals, winged cap, and his main symbol is the herald's staff, the Greek kerykeion or Latin caduceus which consisted of two snakes wrapped around a winged staff.^[4]"

[Shari'El]

His voice sounds so calming and smooth,that I prefer having him riding my hart.

 

Yes, I started switching to him everytime I ride the hart, it's just so... Lovely.

[dragondreamer]

Well, all of the Emerald Knights used to keep wolf companions.  Perhaps there was a reason for that, OR, conversely... maybe it's because of that that they deified a wolf?

 

We know that spirits form based on ideas and ideals.  What if the ancient elven gods are the same, and then Fen'harel, Dread Wolf, came into being and was then called and bound into an elven body (or that of a wolf)?  It would make a strange amount of sense if the elves once upon a time saw wolves as their brethren the way they see halla in the Dragon Age.  And since wolves have long shared an ambiguous relationship with humankind (they became dogs, after all), perhaps elves had a similar relationship with wolves, and thus Fen'harel.   He was a guide, a guardian, but also a potential threat that must be appeased.

 

Ever since someone pointed out that the Lady of the Forest said she was put into the "dread wolf's body"... it made me wonder.  Witherfang was male, the Lady of the Forest was female.  She said it was because of the duality of her nature, but, Fen'harel is also male.

 

So here's a strange and most likely completely false  theory for you:

 

Fen'harel is the origin of werewolves in general, and not all of them suffer the way the ones the Lady of the Forest made suffered.  Originally he was a spirit, or something like one, put into the body of a wolf.  But while he slept, the wolf body was taken from him.  He was stuck within the Fade, not that he wanted to leave yet.

 

Then Solas either found a new host--Solas, born in the Tevinter Imperium--or, conversely, began to become real just as you can help Cole to become real.

 

Eh, but that's just pure speculation.  The only thing I feel relatively sure about is that Solas's original role, prior to being the god of rebellion, must have tied in with the Emerald Knights' wolf companions somehow.  It was probably an even older role, since the Emerald Knights came about during the time of the Dales.  Unless of course you want to follow the theory that Shartan was Solas/Fen'harel, and they took wolf companions to honor the Dread Wolf, long after the fact.  More likely it was a remnant of lore that the Dalish have now lost, and by keeping their wolves, the ancient elves of the Dales were honoring Fen'harel.

 

I dunno, but I like werewolves, so Solas having something to do with them would be pretty cool.  

 

I don't know about Fen'Harel having anything directly to do with the Knights' Guardians and the Emerald Knights, because the Dales was long after Arlathan, and they probably didn't know much more than the modern Dalish clans do.  But if the Solas/Shartan and related theory is true, possibly so.  Though the people of the Dales may not have associated the wolves directly with Fen'Harel.  Then again, there *is* a Fen'Harel shrine tucked away in the Black Fens area of the Exalted Plains...

 

I remember an interesting little codex about wolves that you could find in the Fade.  I need to look at that again sometime.

[Shari'El]

It's interesting that you bring this up, this is pretty much the role that Hermes plays in the Greek pantheon, many many similairites between them.

 

"Hermes is a god of transitions and boundaries. He is quick and cunning, and moves freely between the worlds of the mortal and divine, as emissary and messenger of the gods,^[1] intercessor between mortals and the divine, and conductor of souls into the afterlife. He is protector and patron of travelers, herdsmen, thieves,^[2] orators and wit, literature and poets, athletics and sports, invention and trade.^[3] In some myths he is a trickster, and outwits other gods for his own satisfaction or the sake of humankind. His attributes and symbols include the herma, the rooster and the tortoise, purse or pouch, winged sandals, winged cap, and his main symbol is the herald's staff, the Greek kerykeion or Latin caduceus which consisted of two snakes wrapped around a winged staff.^[4]"

 

I must say.

It's probably super trivial but in the scene Solas guides everyone to Skyhold he has a default staff I haven't equipped to him.

 

at 2:49

It's two dargons/snakes coiled around a staff...

 

It must be meaningless, right?

[Tarlonniel]

Popping in to say, along with many others, thank the Creators/Maker/Paragons/what-have-you for that extra year of development time! Without Solas and Cullen, this game would have seemed severely lacking in the romance department for my female Inquisitors. I already knew I was going to be all over Cullen - I'm another of those fans since Origins - but I certainly hoped at least one of the other 7 (!) LIs would really catch my attention. And WOW OMG SOLAS. NEED DLC.

 

Ahem. Anyway, I'm so glad to see BioWare still has it in the romance department, given enough development time (I was seriously worried after Dragon Age II). I wish there was a little more content to the Solas romance, but hey, I'm not really complaining. Unless the arc doesn't get any closure in future installments, because then I will do a lot of complaining. A. Lot.

 

And I'm not at all surprised to see Kulyok hanging around here. For anyone who hasn't played her Xan mod, beware - she's almost as bad as Weekes 

[Aenne]

Yeah, I'm just really, really hoping we won't have to wait that long.     And if Solas' story doesn't continue until DA4, I think that may dash any hope of real closure for Lavellan.  So torn really, because on one hand I love the idea of Solas being such a big story figure, but on the other hand, my poor ship...

 

Right! That's been the hardest part, the lack of closure. My heart pains for Lavellan. 

 

I've seen most people be negative about our Lavellan every getting closure, but I'm staying positive. Bioware wouldn't leave all of us heartbroken and feeling empty.... Right?

[Ajna]

I must say.

It's probably super trivial but in the scene Solas guides everyone to Skyhold he has a default staff I haven't equipped to him.

 

at 2:49

It's two dargons/snakes coiled around a staff...

 

It must be meaningless, right?

 

I have that staff

 

It's a skin from Origins isn't it?  I think Wynne used the same one.  Personally I'd be happy if he were based at least in part on Hermes, I've had a bit of a bond with him for years now, so the smiliarities make me happy.

[Brass_Buckles]

More thoughts on deified-wolf Fen'harel...

 

• Fen'harel is only ever depicted in wolf form, never as an elf.  On the one hand - let's not give away who Solas really is.  On the other... maybe there's a reason for that, and originally he wasn't an elf, or that wasn't his primary form.
• The Emerald Knights could have taken wolves as their companions to honor Fen'harel, or it may have already been an ancient practice.  If the former, then they probably had some contact with him at some point--so the Shartan-is-Fen'harel theory might have something to it.  If the latter, then it would appear that Fen'harel's original meaning and purpose hadn't been lost yet at that point.
• Wolves.  Everywhere.  Maybe the elven gods also kept wolves?  Fen'harel was obviously a very important deity.  Maybe we're misunderstanding something...?
• Animal gods, and not just sacred animals as the other gods take, are a rather primal thing--most ancient cultures started out with animal gods, or animal spirits that were god-like.  Fen'harel might be one of the oldest gods, while we expect him to be one of the youngest.
• Did I mention wolves are everywhere?  You don't see statues of Hermes/Mercury at every single temple.  What if Fen'harel had particularly high status among the gods?

 

Yeah, I don't know, it just... why would wolves be EVERYWHERE--and the statues even magically protected against erosion, as one character pointed out--if he hadn't had some extreme significance?  Or, conversely, were the wolves added afterward, to honor him after he freed the slaves, only to later be seen as an ultimate treachery since he accidentally brought the elves to their knees to be taken over by the Tevinter Imperium?

 

Edited to add:  Fen'harel's presence everywhere would almost suggest that it was he, and not Elgar'nan, who was the "king" of the gods.  Or, that he became such at some point.

 

It could also mean that, as I mentioned above, the statues honoring him were added later--in which case maybe they were meant to portray how he sealed away the other gods, for the elves' protection, and, like the wolves of the Emerald Knights, he was guarding the people and the gods?

[Shari'El]

Right! That's been the hardest part, the lack of closure. My heart pains for Lavellan. 

 

I've seen most people be negative about our Lavellan every getting closure, but I'm staying positive. Bioware wouldn't leave all of us heartbroken and feeling empty.... Right?