Right! That's been the hardest part, the lack of closure. My heart pains for Lavellan.
I've seen most people be negative about our Lavellan every getting closure, but I'm staying positive. Bioware wouldn't leave all of us heartbroken and feeling empty.... Right?
That's what I like to see! Keep it up! Welcome to Team Optimism 
...we've been pretty thin on the ground of late...
I'd be ok with that, actually. I'm rather fond of the idea of them reincarnating and meeting in "another world" where they can finally be together 
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It makes me think of What Dreams May Come (a beautiful movie I highly recommend watching if you haven't already):
I have that staff
It's a skin from Origins isn't it? I think Wynne used the same one. Personally I'd be happy if he were based at least in part on Hermes, I've had a bit of a bond with him for years now, so the smiliarities make me happy.
Thing is it bothered me has that staff, it is not a pre-rendered scene and there were plenty of cutscenes with the staff I equipped him, so why there? Why that specific staff? It really bothered me not only because the staff was different but because they incorporated the staff to the scene at all, it seemed it was important to them to present the staff (he holds it in front of him a few times). He doesn't need the freakin' staff to walk, he is not 80 years old, yet he hugs it in several occurrences while he guides them and he narrates the entire thing.
To be honest the more I think about it the more suspicious this thing is.
I will take a mental note of that.
Restarting my game...again. Made a white haired, blue eyed female elf mage this time. I image Solas as a black wolf..so my Lavellan having white hair is kind of a ying and yang thing. I called her Atisha again...peace in elvhen. Does anyone else wait for those soldiers to cross the bridge in the very beginning before crossing yourself? I want them to cross in safety before the bridge explodes. :-P
Wow, I did the same thing, with white hair and blue eyes that makes her look like a Barbie doll XD But somehow I don't get the feeling she is much "in love" with Solas than my first one though 
Must because I ship my first baby girl and Solas so hard now the new one seems like a replacement.
This is also my..what...5th times trying to play the game after my first Lavellan ....urg...solas symdrome strikes me hard....
That's what I like to see! Keep it up! Welcome to Team Optimism
Yes! I'll bring all the hope I can! It's the only thing from keeping me from curling up in the fetal position and crying. XD
My Lavellan also drank from the well, so I'd like to think I'm even more connected to Solas now. 
I'd be ok with that, actually. I'm rather fond of the idea of them reincarnating and meeting in "another world" where they can finally be together
I don't think the Dragon Age verse is much on reincarnation. Even spirits, if they reform, aren't the same anymore. And no one knows what happens to the souls of mortals. Supposedly they pass through the Fade, into the Beyond. But we can't go to the Beyond and we've never seen an actual mortal's soul in the Fade that wasn't there because that person was dreaming. I can't count Justinia, unless mortal souls become spirits--that, to me, was pretty clearly a spirit taking her form.
I'm similarly not fond of a happy ending via uthenera. That's not happy at all, because, even if the dream is real to Solas, it's still a dream. And, eventually, elves in uthenera die when their bodies waste away. They were meant to have people to tend them, to keep them alive. Some of them also woke back up, perhaps to take a break from that sleep so that they could attend to their bodies' needs again, thus not waste away from uthenera.
No, a happy ending would be if you could have Lavellan be with him despite his plans, or even if she could know what was going on and who he was, and be given some understanding of why she couldn't be with him.
You... Can?
You can make Solas ride?
Why hasn't this come to my attention? Why haven't I tried it? What is wrong with me?!
I must watch him ride a freakin' hart
I discovered the horse riding stuff by accident with Cole a while back. It made me grin. I was instantly reminded of a set of outtakes from one of my favorite games of all time, where the poor VA was trying his best to sound like he had ridden a horse before, much to the ridicule of the editor on the other side of the soundbooth. It made me wonder just how fared the actors for this game, and how long it took them to be convincing enough.
Of course, that was a Working Designs title (Showing my age with that one), and they played fart sounds in the VA's headphones just to mess with them. Bioware would never do that kind of thing, right? :3
More thoughts on deified-wolf Fen'harel...
- Fen'harel is only ever depicted in wolf form, never as an elf. On the one hand - let's not give away who Solas really is. On the other... maybe there's a reason for that, and originally he wasn't an elf, or that wasn't his primary form.
- The Emerald Knights could have taken wolves as their companions to honor Fen'harel, or it may have already been an ancient practice. If the former, then they probably had some contact with him at some point--so the Shartan-is-Fen'harel theory might have something to it. If the latter, then it would appear that Fen'harel's original meaning and purpose hadn't been lost yet at that point.
- Wolves. Everywhere. Maybe the elven gods also kept wolves? Fen'harel was obviously a very important deity. Maybe we're misunderstanding something...?
- Animal gods, and not just sacred animals as the other gods take, are a rather primal thing--most ancient cultures started out with animal gods, or animal spirits that were god-like. Fen'harel might be one of the oldest gods, while we expect him to be one of the youngest.
- Did I mention wolves are everywhere? You don't see statues of Hermes/Mercury at every single temple. What if Fen'harel had particularly high status among the gods?
Yeah, I don't know, it just... why would wolves be EVERYWHERE--and the statues even magically protected against erosion, as one character pointed out--if he hadn't had some extreme significance? Or, conversely, were the wolves added afterward, to honor him after he freed the slaves, only to later be seen as an ultimate treachery since he accidentally brought the elves to their knees to be taken over by the Tevinter Imperium?
Edited to add: Fen'harel's presence everywhere would almost suggest that it was he, and not Elgar'nan, who was the "king" of the gods. Or, that he became such at some point.
It could also mean that, as I mentioned above, the statues honoring him were added later--in which case maybe they were meant to portray how he sealed away the other gods, for the elves' protection, and, like the wolves of the Emerald Knights, he was guarding the people and the gods?
It is interesting that he's always portrayed as a wolf. Still not sure what to make of that. Mythal has dragon statues, but she still has some regular elven imagery as well. I don't think Fen'Harel was among the highest ranked Creators, but I get the impression he was well liked (maybe too well liked in Andruil's case *cough*). Which would have contributed to how easy it was for him to trick them all. Nobody saw it coming.
I do need to find that wolf codex...it was like a rant about how wolves had become dogs, replacing wolf companions, and something was lost in that...
Solas's grim nature and conversation after the Temple of Mythal..it almost makes you feel that he knows he is going to die while attempting to fix his mistakes.
I know what you mean, if this happens to end up being the case, lets just hope we get the chance to stop it.
It is interesting that he's always portrayed as a wolf. Still not sure what to make of that. Mythal has dragon statues, but she still has some regular elven imagery as well. I don't think Fen'Harel was among the highest ranked Creators, but I get the impression he was well liked (maybe too well liked in Andruil's case *cough*). Which would have contributed to how easy it was for him to trick them all. Nobody saw it coming.
I do need to find that wolf codex...it was like a rant about how wolves had become dogs, replacing wolf companions, and something was lost in that...
Almost certain someone must have posted this before, but I went and took a screenshot anyway
Just a quick note, Solas might not be so much racist (in terms of only romancing elves) as just never seen any of those types of people most of his life. I know that we are all mega perverts here, but imagine if you lived in an empire where everyone pretty much was an elf. They didn't imagine of other sentient creatures and didn't really bother to expand their world view. I kinda see the elvehn empire as a bit narcissistic.
He wakes up thousands of years later and he see what he interprets as very large women with round ears and small eyes. It might be a bit creepy to him in the "uncanny valley" way since they look similar but slightly not right. There are also very small people and very large people with horns. As with all things, he needs to get used to this in order understand. He can't change overnight. Like if you saw a huge tentacle creature with 17 eyes and it was like "OMG why don't you love me?". I mean eventually I would love to have sex with this creature but I need to get to know it first. What if the tentacle creature doesn't even like Lorde? Incompatible.
I assume in like a few 100 years he would have gotten dirty with any race, such is the nature of immortals. They get bored and probably would try anything at some point.
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Oh goodness, that's genius
I know what you mean, if this happens to end up being the case, lets just hope we get the chance to stop it.
Almost certain someone must have posted this before, but I went and took a screenshot anyway
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Thank you, I would've been lost forever searching through the codexes. 
Interesting, I don't see anything that necessarily relates to the elves, but that "spirits" business is suspicious, given what we know of werewolves.
Just a quick note, Solas might not be so much racist (in terms of only romancing elves) as just never seen any of those types of people most of his life. I know that we are all mega perverts here, but imagine if you lived in an empire where everyone pretty much was an elf. They didn't imagine of other sentient creatures and didn't really bother to expand their world view. I kinda see the elvehn empire as a bit narcissistic.
Solas isn't racist at all for having a romantic preference for elves.
He wakes up thousands of years later and he see what he interprets as very large women with round ears and small eyes. It might be a bit creepy to him in the "uncanny valley" way since they look similar but slightly not right. There are also very small people and very large people with horns. As with all things, he needs to get used to this in order understand. He can't change overnight. Like if you saw a huge tentacle creature with 17 eyes and it was like "OMG why don't you love me?". I mean eventually I would love to have sex with this creature but I need to get to know it first. What if the tentacle creature doesn't even like Lorde? Incompatible.
I assume in like a few 100 years he would have gotten dirty with any race, such is the nature of immortals. They get bored and probably would try anything at some point.
The ancient elves and the dwarves seemed to know one another, and there seemed to be some limited contact with the humans who migrated to Thedas, likely originating from the same place the Qunari are from (based on the ancient pyramids that depict horned giants that resemble Qunari).
I've been thinking and maybe I missed something, but
Maybe the inquisitor is different in some way.
It is interesting that he's always portrayed as a wolf. Still not sure what to make of that. Mythal has dragon statues, but she still has some regular elven imagery as well. I don't think Fen'Harel was among the highest ranked Creators, but I get the impression he was well liked (maybe too well liked in Andruil's case *cough*). Which would have contributed to how easy it was for him to trick them all. Nobody saw it coming.
I do need to find that wolf codex...it was like a rant about how wolves had become dogs, replacing wolf companions, and something was lost in that...
Wasn't there also something about the Dalish feeling compelled to honor/care for the Fen'Harel statues, even though they regard him as a traitor? Beyond just keeping him around to appease him so he doesn't mess anything up I mean. Or was that someone's headcanon? I do find it pretty odd that he hasn't been portrayed as an elf even once in all three games. Every single statue and mosaic shows him as a wolf. Aside from the slow arrow story, it also seems like he was a wolf in the legends as well.
I also find it odd that his statue's are in Mythal's temple and not her supposed husband Elgar'nan. Similarly, there were a ton of Fen'Harel statues in Dirthamen's temple and one of Falon'Din. Which makes me think Fen'Harel wasn't so much the top god but perhaps one that was seen as connecting the others in some way? Like if the other gods ruled their own city-states, Fen'Harel was the weird one that didn't have his own lands but still held enough power to be relevant? He seems to exist outside of the structure of the Creators: Mythal and Elgar'nan are the All-mother and All-father and there are a few mentions of the other gods deferring to them. Andruil, June, and Sylvaise are supposedly siblings. Falon'Din and Dirthamen are 'twins'. Ghilan'nain is the youngest and chosen of Andruil. But Fen'Harel's status is basically that he has no status and exists outside of the structure. So I can't really see him being at the top, or even really younger/older because I think his status comes from somewhere else...
By the way, did anyone consider the fact that last mural Solas draws is of a wolf stabbing a dragon's foot?
It obviously refers to what happens at the end - however, since stabbing associates with betrayal it feels like the ending scene could only mean that Solas is the one in charge, not Flemeth, but why a foot though?
It could be because they wanted to make sure it isn't obvious (though even if it were a painting of a whole dragon no one would initially think it's Flemeth, obvious response is that it relates to Cory's dragon.
Maybe it has extra meaning? Sort of 'shoot one's foot' to also hint that their mistakes brought their demise upon themselves?
I'm doubtful that staring at a half done mural could get us any new information, but it still interests me.
The game's so carefully crafted to seem like nothings going on to an unsuspecting gaze, but once you give it a deeper look you usually find new things.
I'm pretty sure each of the murals was done with Solas' identity and cause in mind.
Or to die with him.
I love the star crossed lovers theme. I m okay with it being tragic as long as they have a choice to be together in the outcome. To acknowledge their love. It seems more pure that way when it's tragic. It's got the making of a great epic love story/legend for the future. I'm still a fan of the next game being a big time jump. As long as we get closure.
I dunno, I'd like it okay if they did that, and I'm sure it would be well done, and it seems like a pretty obvious way to go if there's any resolution at all - but I feel like it would actually be a better ending were it more "happy", because it wouldn't be so expected. If that makes sense.
Wasn't there also something about the Dalish feeling compelled to honor/care for the Fen'Harel statues, even though they regard him as a traitor? Beyond just keeping him around to appease him so he doesn't mess anything up I mean. Or was that someone's headcanon?
Pretty sure that was mentioned in Origins somewhere, but for sure it comes up in that little conversation about the statue in Mythal's temple with Morrigan. (Maybe only for Dalish Inquisitors?)
Merry Xmas! May the Dread Wolf get you under a mistletoe with that special someone
More stuff like this and less stuff on whether Solas is an evil racist, please.
(remember when we were fluff and happiness?)
The ancient elves and the dwarves seemed to know one another, and there seemed to be some limited contact with the humans who migrated to Thedas, likely originating from the same place the Qunari are from (based on the ancient pyramids that depict horned giants that resemble Qunari).
Oh I didn't know that! I would love to read more about that. I believe you I just want to add that to my brain library. Although I do find it hard to believe that someone who lives forever would not try anything and everything.
But maybe he still has sentimental feelings for what was old and lost. Loving a non-elf who was not "wise" like the inquisitor would mean letting go of the past and looking to the future. Which is a whole other bag of dicks.
Solas's grim nature and conversation after the Temple of Mythal..it almost makes you feel that he knows he is going to die while attempting to fix his mistakes.
Got that feeling too, if you chose the "I'm not giving up" dialogue tree, the way he says "You really should." just makes my heart drop through the floor. The only possible bright side to it is that he was speaking with the thought that he'd have that orb intact to do whatever he needed with it. Now that that isn't the case, I really, really hope that means we get the chance to save him. He deserves a happily ever after too, dammit.
And if that's what he's trying to achieve, well, he's doing it wrong without Lavellan.
This is my selfish side posting now, but I don't want closure. Happy ending or bust. I can imagine my own happy ending if I have to, but I will be very dismayed if we have to settle for anything else in the content to come. I just wish I could join team optimism about it. I seem to have gravitated towards team expect the worst.
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