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[Jaderail]

I came across an "Offering to the Dread Wolf" landmark in the Fen (ironic?) in northern Exalted Plains. Here's the codex: 

 

[LobselVith8]

Oh I didn't know that! I would love to read more about that. I believe you I just want to add that to my brain library. Although I do find it hard to believe that someone who lives forever would not try anything and everything.

 

The ancient pyramids are on Par Vollen, currently under Qunari control. Humans were also said to have arrived on Thedas after landing on Par Vollen originally.

 

Also, not everyone is Jack Harkness.

 

But maybe he still has sentimental feelings for what was old and lost. Loving a non-elf who was not "wise" like the inquisitor would mean letting go of the past and looking to the future. Which is a whole other bag of dicks. 

 

I think it could simply be part of his romantic preference. Everyone has different preferences and tastes.

[Sashimi_taco]

 

Also, not everyone is Jack Harkness.

 

 

Let me live my fantasies. 

[sunhair]

I found an entry for the codex to Leliana from The Archivist in regards to the mural 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

[LobselVith8]

For the statues Lavellan gets a special race dialogue saying Fen'Harel is said to ward off evil spirits and hence is placed outside the camp.
Moreover I remembered when someone dies they say "May the trickster never find you" I think Merril said that in DA2. I dont clearly remember

 

"May the Dread Wolf never hear your steps."

[arelenriel]

Thing is it bothered me has that staff, it is not a pre-rendered scene and there were plenty of cutscenes with the staff I equipped him, so why there? Why that specific staff? It really bothered me not only because the staff was different but because they incorporated the staff to the scene at all, it seemed it was important to them to present the staff (he holds it in front of him a few times). He doesn't need the freakin' staff to walk, he is not 80 years old, yet he hugs it in several occurrences while he guides them and he narrates the entire thing.

 

To be honest the more I think about it the more suspicious this thing is.

I will take a mental note of that.

Its Tyrrdas Staff you get it from finding all of her landmarks in the Hinterlands and then doing a war table mission. It is one of the most powerful staffs in game that you can get unless you make one yourself.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Even the random Skyhold archivist whom we never see is a Solas fan 

[Aetheria]

I found an entry for the codex to leliana from achivist in regards to the mural 

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

How do you get this codex entry? I don't think I ever managed to find it.

[CardinalSin90]

Its Tyrrdas Staff you get it from finding all of her landmarks in the Hinterlands and then doing a war table mission. It is one of the most powerful staffs in game that you can get unless you make one yourself.

I noticed the same staff on few of the Sentinel Elves in temple of mythal..before Corypheus went all chunky

[zambixi]

I've been thinking and maybe I missed something, but

Spoiler

if the mark is actually Solas' why is he so surprised by actually being able to physically go into the fade? When you go into the fade at Fort Adamant he is completely blown away, and several instances he will actually say he's never physically been there. 

 

So... if the inquisitor can create rifts that toss them into the Fade, why wasn't Solas able to do that as well when he had the mark?

 

Maybe the inquisitor is different in some way.

 

I found that odd too. His wonder at being in the fade physically is one of the few times we see his genuine reaction to something. It's clearly not something he expected to be possible. Maybe one could argue that there is an unvoiced "again" at the end of "I never expected to be physically in the Fade" (paraphrase), but it doesn't seem that way to me. Makes me think of a few things:

1. Going into the Fade isn't something the Inquisitor can do all the time. Whatever happened at Adamant was unique for some reason, either because of the conditions of the world or because the Inquisitor is under life-threatening duress. Time magic (which Solas is strangely uninterested in), is strongly connected to the presence of the Big Rift, and would not be possible without it. It may be that the same is true for traveling to the Fade in the flesh. We never see Quizzie do it again, so it may be that Adamant was a one-time thing.
2. The Inquisitor has something that makes them more. Cole mentions this a few times, regardless of whether or not one is romancing Solas. Cole also mentions that this is augmented by not caused by the mark, though it's not clear if it is something that the Quizzie was born with or if it was bestowed because Quizzie is Chosen (or both, or neither). The more I think about it the more I start to believe that the Inquisitor really is Special and this isn't just a case of being in the right place at the right time.
3. Corypheus may have done something that altered the nature or function of the orb. He had to perform a human sacrifice using the Divine to do what he needed to do - something which would not have been possible during Solas' time because they didn't have human Divines running around. It could be that entering the Fade, causing the rifts, etc. is not the original intent of the orb, which might also be why it ultimately breaks.

But yeah it is a bit odd. Especially since Fen'Harel's other artifacts (the mask from Redemption being the one I'm thinking of now) also seem to have Fade-opening powers, though the extent of those powers is unclear.

 

By the way, did anyone consider the fact that last mural Solas draws is of a wolf stabbing a dragon's foot? It obviously refers to what happens at the end - however, since stabbing associates with betrayal it feels like the ending scene could only mean that Solas is the one in charge, not Flemeth, but why a foot though? It could be because they wanted to make sure it isn't obvious (though even if it were a painting of a whole dragon no one would initially think it's Flemeth, obvious response is that it relates to Cory's dragon.Maybe it has extra meaning? Sort of 'shoot one's foot' to also hint that their mistakes brought their demise upon themselves? I'm doubtful that staring at a half done mural could get us any new information, but it still interests me. The game's so carefully crafted to seem like nothings going on to an unsuspecting gaze, but once you give it a deeper look you usually find new things. I'm pretty sure each of the murals was done with Solas' identity and cause in mind.

 

So the figure in that mural does not look like a wolf to me, or at least not like the wolves in the other murals. I'm still undecided on whether or not I buy that it's showing Solas stabbing Flemythal. I'm not really sure what to think about it TBH.

 

I dunno, I'd like it okay if they did that, and I'm sure it would be well done, and it seems like a pretty obvious way to go if there's any resolution at all - but I feel like it would actually be a better ending were it more "happy", because it wouldn't be so expected. If that makes sense.

 

Pretty sure that was mentioned in Origins somewhere, but for sure it comes up in that little conversation about the statue in Mythal's temple with Morrigan. (Maybe only for Dalish Inquisitors?)

 

I agree. I don't want "closure" I want "happiness"! I would prefer ambiguity to them dying/entering Uthenara together, or Solas dying, or Quizzie dying, or some other form of definitely-not-happy. Also I have a hard time imagining Solas would just be all, "yeah back to bed now guys kkthxbai" after it turned out so poorly for him last time. Well, Weekes seems excited about it so we'll see what happens.

 

I'll have to look out for all the info in Origins once I get to the Dalish camp. I suppose it's in the wiki but that site's been causing me problems so I haven't been looking at it too much lately :-\

[sunhair]

How do you get this codex entry? I don't think I ever managed to find it.

It's in the room where Solas is located climb up the scaffold ladder there is a scroll there with that codex

[dragondreamer]

Wasn't there also something about the Dalish feeling compelled to honor/care for the Fen'Harel statues, even though they regard him as a traitor? Beyond just keeping him around to appease him so he doesn't mess anything up I mean. Or was that someone's headcanon? I do find it pretty odd that he hasn't been portrayed as an elf even once in all three games. Every single statue and mosaic shows him as a wolf. Aside from the slow arrow story, it also seems like he was a wolf in the legends as well.

 

I also find it odd that his statue's are in Mythal's temple and not her supposed husband Elgar'nan. Similarly, there were a ton of Fen'Harel statues in Dirthamen's temple and one of Falon'Din. Which makes me think Fen'Harel wasn't so much the top god but perhaps one that was seen as connecting the others in some way? Like if the other gods ruled their own city-states, Fen'Harel was the weird one that didn't have his own lands but still held enough power to be relevant? He seems to exist outside of the structure of the Creators: Mythal and Elgar'nan are the All-mother and All-father and there are a few mentions of the other gods deferring to them. Andruil, June, and Sylvaise are supposedly siblings. Falon'Din and Dirthamen are 'twins'. Ghilan'nain is the youngest and chosen of Andruil. But Fen'Harel's status is basically that he has no status and exists outside of the structure. So I can't really see him being at the top, or even really younger/older because I think his status comes from somewhere else...

 

I got the impression that the Dalish have a fearful sort of respect for Fen'Harel.  They don't want to anger him.  They keep his statue facing away from their camps, because they want to stay out of his sight.  (I can imagine poor Solas showing up at a Dalish camp and saying 'hey I'm Fen'Harel, I'm back, how's it going' and they probably freaked out and attacked him out of fear.  It's really no wonder he's in no hurry to tell Lavellan.)

 

Unless they're just decorations, the idea of wolves as guardians in old elven culture is a reason why I think Fen'Harel was originally some sort of military figure, or protector, which is why the wolves are always everywhere.  This might be an idea that survived to the old Dales, even if not directly linked to Fen'Harel himself.  Solas talks a lot about being a soldier.  I don't think that's necessarily just about the rebellion.

 

Got that feeling too, if you chose the "I'm not giving up" dialogue tree, the way he says "You really should." just makes my heart drop through the floor. The only possible bright side to it is that he was speaking with the thought that he'd have that orb intact to do whatever he needed with it. Now that that isn't the case, I really, really hope that means we get the chance to save him. He deserves a happily ever after too, dammit.

 

And if that's what he's trying to achieve, well, he's doing it wrong without Lavellan.

 

This is my selfish side posting now, but I don't want closure. Happy ending or bust. I can imagine my own happy ending if I have to, but I will be very dismayed if we have to settle for anything else in the content to come. I just wish I could join team optimism about it. I seem to have gravitated towards team expect the worst.

 

Closure doesn't necessarily have to be the end.  But I'd like Lavellan to know the truth, whether he refuses to let her come with him or not.

[Brass_Buckles]

By the way, did anyone consider the fact that last mural Solas draws is of a wolf stabbing a dragon's foot?

 

It obviously refers to what happens at the end - however, since stabbing associates with betrayal it feels like the ending scene could only mean that Solas is the one in charge, not Flemeth, but why a foot though? 

It could be because they wanted to make sure it isn't obvious (though even if it were a painting of a whole dragon no one would initially think it's Flemeth, obvious response is that it relates to Cory's dragon.

Maybe it has extra meaning? Sort of 'shoot one's foot' to also hint that their mistakes brought their demise upon themselves?

I'm doubtful that staring at a half done mural could get us any new information, but it still interests me.

The game's so carefully crafted to seem like nothings going on to an unsuspecting gaze, but once you give it a deeper look you usually find new things.

I'm pretty sure each of the murals was done with Solas' identity and cause in mind.

 

It actually isn't a foot, it's a dragon.  It may have intentionally been made to look like a foot, though.  The "ankle"/"leg" is the dragon's wing.  The "toes" are its head.

 

And to me, the other large creature looks more dragony than wolfish.  I interpret it to be the Inquisitor's dragon slaying Corypheus's dragon.  But, it could also be God-Fen'harel doing the same.

 

Maybe the reason he left is because he realized he couldn't let go of his god-persona, and he had to take that burden back up?

[dragondreamer]

Wolfy dragon...  If he's an elven god, I imagine he must have his own dragon form.

 

Also that fresco codex was the moment I knew everything was doomed.  Also an artist?  Solas became perfect in that moment, and therefore I knew a terrible downfall was coming.

[wildannie]

Ahhhhhh so much pessimism today!  and I've not even read all the pages yet.

 

Of Course Solas loves Lavellan, he loves her against his better judgement, which to means he loves her a lot.  However, his purpose takes precedence over everything and he can't/won't , or believes he can't share this with anyone.  'do not doubt that what we had was real'

 

In main quest time DLC would be a mistake IMO,  the game is huge, and I'll have played the hell out of it before this would be released.  I'm probably not going to want to start a new `100 hour game just to play a new mission pre-ending,  I'm also not going to want to play a new mission that is designed to be pre-ending with a post ending save as it would break immersion.  There is shitloads to do in this game, we need good strong story DLC and as far as I can tell from reading a few threads about DLC, a 'wolf hunt' is the most talked about and expected, doesn't mean it is going to happen but I think the expectation goes way beyond the Solas fans here.

 

They are looking to fans for what DLC  they produce, fans want wolfhunt and by putting that stinger at the end I think they want fans to want it too.   I honestly think that DLC is going to involve Solas unless the inquisitor is in the next game and I very much doubt that will be the case and I really hope it is not,  I want choices, closure, and a new protag come DA4

[LapCat]

Quick question to everyone. Does anyone know of good fanfics written in Arlathan? I was interested to see how people put the lore together.

[Morroian]

Its Tyrrdas Staff you get it from finding all of her landmarks in the Hinterlands and then doing a war table mission. It is one of the most powerful staffs in game that you can get unless you make one yourself.

 

One of the most powerful? I did that war table quest at level 17 and the staff was level 11  and worse than the grand enchanters staff I got from the hinterlands dragon..

[Sable Rhapsody]

Maybe the reason he left is because he realized he couldn't let go of his god-persona, and he had to take that burden back up?

 

Ugh, that would just break my heart.  I once wrote a short fanfic about the Dragonborn in Skyrim becoming immortal and deified, and it was super, super depressing to write.  After a certain point, power doesn't do anything but isolate you, and Solas is already such a lonely guy.  That said, I can totally see it happening.

 

Quick question to everyone. Does anyone know of good fanfics written in Arlathan? I was interested to see how people put the lore together.

 

Crystal White by BreLakor is my favorite.  It's AU Fen'Harel and Lavellan in the time of Arlathan.

[Uirebhiril]

They are looking to fans for what DLC  they produce, fans want wolfhunt and by putting that stinger at the end I think they want fans to want it too.   I honestly think that DLC is going to involve Solas unless the inquisitor is in the next game and I very much doubt that will be the case and I really hope it is not,  I want choices, closure, and a new protag come DA4

 

Something like that needs an expansion and not at 2-4 hour DLC. As much fun as I had with the game and the story, I was left wanting more of the main journey. Even though the big threat of the breach and the Elder One is over, it doesn't feel like the story is. There's so much still there, and how can that be explained away in a few new maps and a handful of cut scenes?

[Renmiri1]

More stuff like this and less stuff on whether Solas is an evil racist, please.

 

(remember when we were fluff and happiness?)

A long series of screenies here

 

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...xmas-solavellan

[zambixi]

Ahhhhhh so much pessimism today!  and I've not even read all the pages yet.

 

Of Course Solas loves Lavellan, he loves her against his better judgement, which to means he loves her a lot.  However, his purpose takes precedence over everything and he can't/won't , or believes he can't share this with anyone.  'do not doubt that what we had was real'

 

In main quest time DLC would be a mistake IMO,  the game is huge, and I'll have played the hell out of it before this would be released.  I'm probably not going to want to start a new `100 hour game just to play a new mission pre-ending,  I'm also not going to want to play a new mission that is designed to be pre-ending with a post ending save as it would break immersion.  There is shitloads to do in this game, we need good strong story DLC and as far as I can tell from reading a few threads about DLC, a 'wolf hunt' is the most talked about and expected, doesn't mean it is going to happen but I think the expectation goes way beyond the Solas fans here.

 

They are looking to fans for what DLC  they produce, fans want wolfhunt and by putting that stinger at the end I think they want fans to want it too.   I honestly think that DLC is going to involve Solas unless the inquisitor is in the next game and I very much doubt that will be the case and I really hope it is not,  I want choices, closure, and a new protag come DA4

 

I hope they don't go the DA:2 route with DLC either, though I'm not sure what post-game DLC would look like since everyone is down at least one companion, and it's pretty easy to be down two or three (do Cassandra and/or Viv leave if they become Divine? I've only ever gone with Leliana). So one could potentially be down two warriors or two mages, which would be no bueno unless they introduce a temporary companion. Which would be weird in and of itself with the kind of DLC I've heard them talk about (new areas with one main quest and a few side-quests).

 

But what do I know? I also find it weird that they said they're not going to do an Awakenings-style expansion after they made a game that is so clearly in need of a major expansion and not just fluff DLC (I am looking at you Mark of the Assassin, you enjoyable but ultimately irrelevant excursion). They could be planning to release DA:4 on an expedited schedule, but why would they take that risk after DA:2? And would they really give you a new protag to deal with the Solas/Mythal stuff that was started with the Inquisitor? The DLC/future game situation is probably the biggest source of DA anxiety for me because I can't figure out what they're likely to do...

[Renmiri1]

More stuff like this and less stuff on whether Solas is an evil racist, please.

 

(remember when we were fluff and happiness?)

 

My boyfriend is British.. Or as he always corrects me "English". He is  not racist but he loves England a lot more than any place on earth and hates when people lump all the British in one single thing. Is not that he doesn't see anything wrong with England, he is the first one to say bad things about Thatcher and the English misdeeds. He was burning a British flag when I met him

 

Yet he is like Solas with his people as far as English people are concerned. To him, the rulers are idiots but the "salt of the earth" people from his country are special and his country is awesome. I don't see it as racism. I myself am not English, I'm Latina and we have been together for 5 years. Some people are just very proud of their heritage, but this doesn't mean they hate all others.

[sunhair]

I honestly wish we could craft a staff that uses the same model as the Tyrrdas Staff unless there is schematic for it and I haven't found it yet.

Also does anyone happen to know where the elf heavy armor schematic can be found or purchased?

[Birdy]

http://carrieliarts....-this-aside-for

[Aetheria]

I hope they don't go the DA:2 route with DLC either, though I'm not sure what post-game DLC would look like since everyone is down at least one companion, and it's pretty easy to be down two or three (do Cassandra and/or Viv leave if they become Divine? I've only ever gone with Leliana). So one could potentially be down two warriors or two mages, which would be no bueno unless they introduce a temporary companion. Which would be weird in and of itself with the kind of DLC I've heard them talk about (new areas with one main quest and a few side-quests).

 

But what do I know? I also find it weird that they said they're not going to do an Awakenings-style expansion after they made a game that is so clearly in need of a major expansion and not just fluff DLC (I am looking at you Mark of the Assassin, you enjoyable but ultimately irrelevant excursion). They could be planning to release DA:4 on an expedited schedule, but why would they take that risk after DA:2? And would they really give you a new protag to deal with the Solas/Mythal stuff that was started with the Inquisitor? The DLC/future game situation is probably the biggest source of DA anxiety for me because I can't figure out what they're likely to do...

Yeah, I'm finding it hard to imagine how all the unanswered questions that involve the Inquisitor can be wrapped up in the kind of DLC Bioware have said they're planning. I almost feel like it would make the most sense for there to be a direct sequel also starring the Inquisitor, Mass Effect-style, but why would they have planned to do that when "a new story every game" has been such a core part of the DA series so far?