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But what do I know? I also find it weird that they said they're not going to do an Awakenings-style expansion after they made a game that is so clearly in need of a major expansion and not just fluff DLC (I am looking at you Mark of the Assassin, you enjoyable but ultimately irrelevant excursion). They could be planning to release DA:4 on an expedited schedule, but why would they take that risk after DA:2? And would they really give you a new protag to deal with the Solas/Mythal stuff that was started with the Inquisitor? The DLC/future game situation is probably the biggest source of DA anxiety for me because I can't figure out what they're likely to do...

But what is an awakening style expansion?  It came on a separate disc and was separate from the main game with its own import from DAO iirc.  I think that what we get will be part of the main game, and trigger with a post epilogue save, but I'm not technically minded so I don't know how plausible that is and whether a large expansion like DLC could be added that way.  I think I read somewhere that Cassandra stays even if she's Divine, and I don't think they will particularly be catering for players who have lost their companions its not that easy to ****** them off is it?   A new protag to deal with Solas/Mythal would be awful and I'm not sure I'd want to play it.



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My boyfriend is British.. Or as he always corrects me "English". He is  not racist but he loves England a lot more than any place on earth and hates when people lump all the British in one single thing. Is not that he doesn't see anything wrong with England, he is the first one to say bad things about Thatcher and the English misdeeds. He was burning a British flag when I met him :P

 

Yet he is like Solas with his people as far as English people are concerned. To him, the rulers are idiots but the "salt of the earth" people from his country are special and his country is awesome. I don't see it as racism. I myself am not English, I'm Latina and we have been together for 5 years. Some people are just very proud of their heritage, but this doesn't mean they hate all others.

 

It's weird, I'm also English, I lived abroad for a while in a Greek speaking country and it's not until you don't have it anymore that you realise how important it is.  I get that.


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I almost feel like it would make the most sense for there to be a direct sequel also starring the Inquisitor, Mass Effect-style, but why would they have planned to do that when "a new story every game" has been such a core part of the DA series so far?

 

To be fair, they did really shake up the series with Inquisition.  Huge exploration zones, a completely revamped crafting system, a brand new engine...it reminds me of the transition from ME1 to ME2.  I'm on the fence about a direct sequel with the Inquisitor.  On one hand, I love my Inquisitor.  She's my favorite PC of the series by far, and it does get a little silly building up these very influential PCs only to have them disappear before the next game.  On the other hand, I do like getting new stories each game.


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Yeah, I'm finding it hard to imagine how all the unanswered questions that involve the Inquisitor can be wrapped up in the kind of DLC Bioware have said they're planning. I almost feel like it would make the most sense for there to be a direct sequel also starring the Inquisitor, Mass Effect-style, but why would they have planned to do that when "a new story every game" has been such a core part of the DA series so far?

 

I'm curious to see how people in other threads feel, but not quite curious enough to go ask. Is it only people who are invested in Solas that feel like a new game needs the Inquisitor? And how much would BW care? A lot of people thought/felt that Hawke would be/should be the protagonist for DA:I, and that didn't happen. I'm still a little undecided on how I feel about the way they integrated Hawke into the story, and the more I think about it the more I think it would be difficult to do something similar with the Inquisitor anyway. Quizzie doesn't have a set personality like Hawke did (in terms of red/blue/purple options), so how do the writers stay true to the many ways one can play them? Plus you have two different voice actors, so even if they could solve the personality problem they need to record twice as many lines. And you have four possible racial origins so the writers would either have to account for those variations or write to avoid them completely and...just seems like a lot of work.

 

So I'm talking myself back onto Team Optimism, because Quizzie's story is definitely not finished like Hawke's and the Warden's were at the end of their games, and it doesn't seem to me like there's an easy way to incorporate Quizzie into future content. So...they're going somewhere, hopefully it's somewhere where Solas can follow >.>


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It's weird, I'm also English, I lived abroad for a while in a Greek speaking country and it's not until you don't have it anymore that you realise how important it is. I get that.

You mean Cyprus?It's the only Greek speaking country other than Greece. :)
And I can understand this since I'm also currently living abroad.
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To be fair, they did really shake up the series with Inquisition.  Huge exploration zones, a completely revamped crafting system, a brand new engine...it reminds me of the transition from ME1 to ME2.  I'm on the fence about a direct sequel with the Inquisitor.  On one hand, I love my Inquisitor.  She's my favorite PC of the series by far, and it does get a little silly building up these very influential PCs only to have them disappear before the next game.  On the other hand, I do like getting new stories each game.

 

I imagine we'll be leaving southern Thedas to explore the other regions in future Dragon Age games: the Anderfels, Nevarra, the Free Marches, Tevinter, or some of the other areas we haven't explored. Whether or not Solas' story will be wrapped up in DLC, or perhaps extend into additional installments of the series, remains to be seen. As long as the racial options continue to be present when choosing to create a main character, I wouldn't mind exploring Thedas with a new character.

 

Given the mystery that was set up around the Anderfels, that could be the setting for the next game. An Andrastian human would likely be an option, given how religious the humans in the region are. Perhaps even a Dalish elf; Iloren and the Dalish under his command were in the Anderfels during the Second Blight, so I imagine it could be possible. There's a Qunari settlement in the Anderfels, so perhaps a Qunari option may also be possible for the main character. Whether or not Solas continues to be a presence in Inquisition like Flemeth or Morrigan are, I'd like to see him again as the Inquisitor.



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I thought of that too, but ultimately decided against it, since they took out rivalry and the approval system seems to be more or less straight forward most of the time. He also makes a point to say at the end "what we had was real" so I think that's just the writer's way of saying he wasn't just trolling you the whole entire time, or it's more complicated than that. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I don't really see him as racist either. I think he's at a point where he has given up on people because he's been let down so many times. He's supported so many doomed causes that failed. He's jaded and doesn't care anymore. But the Quizzy is always an exception in his eyes, if you gain his approval. I thought that was implied by the whole "the People need me" statement at the end. He remembered his purpose and cares about his plan/cause again....whatever that is.

I got the impression from DA2 (from Justice in the fade) that the opposite of pride (or purpose?) was actually sloth. And what does Solas admit he wants to do in that first convo in the fade? Run way, ignore things, etc...until the Quizzy shows up and "changed everything".

This.

 

I don't know how anyone who did his romance could think that he doesn't love the Inquisitor. Even if you don't romance him, he has very strong feelings regarding the Inquisitor, but it's hard to get a bead on Solas because, emotionally, he just isn't open for business most of the time. He self-isolates. He's on good terms with most of the cast, even if they don't know what to make of him, but only good terms. Nobody except Sera and Cole (and perhaps Iron Bull if they become friends) has very strong feelings about him either way. He doesn't want to have people get close to him, but he also doesn't want to put them off, so he tries very hard to be inoffensive. Now, some people may interpret that as deceitfulness, but just look at the way he interacts with the Inquisitor. If you match his rhythm, get on his wavelength for even a moment, he approves. He isn't simply approving of you agreeing with him, because those moments don't all come with agreement. He's approving of the fact that you seem to understand him, if only for a moment. And that's what he craves most of all.

 

As for his purpose with the Inquisition, he both wants the orb and he wants to make things right. As he says in the stinger, the mistake was his. The breach was opened, and all sorts of people and spirits were hurt, because of his actions. And he seems utterly devastated about it. He feels that he needs to see things through to the end, because in the end all of this is ultimately his responsibility. That goes for the Inquisitor, too. Really, if the Inquisitor earns Solas's respect, he sees them as the one good thing to come out of this mess. Out of anybody who could have stumbled into this power, it was someone who actually seems to be using it to make the world a better place. The Inquisitor changes everything. And part of that everything is the fact that Solas sees them actually working towards change, something that he'd almost given up on.

 

Conversely, if he believes the Inquisitor to be using their power (that he accidentally gave them) in order to bully people and glorify themselves, the very things that he's always been fighting against, he takes it very personally. That whole scene with his "Reason You Suck" speech has a lot of anger, but the overriding sense I got from it was disappointment. He's not just angry at the Inquisitor, he's once again angry at himself for screwing things up. So no, I don't think he's just using the Inquisition. He is very personally invested in what the Inquisition and the Inquisitor does.

 

I'm really not trying to interpret Solas more sympathetically than he actually is. In fact, I think he's the most broken companion in the Inquisition, even if he hides it extremely well. He woke up in a world that is basically his worst nightmare made real, and the worst part is that he helped create it. And everything he's done since then to try to change things has failed. He tried going to the Dalish, but you saw how he sometimes came across during his first conversation in Haven. Without any proof, all they saw was a crazy non-Dalish trying to tell them how to live their lives. He went to the city elves, but was faced with the fact that they had enough trouble simply making ends meet. If the Inquisitor accuses him of not doing enough for the elves, he basically throws his hands up and asks them what would they have him do? He's developed this hard shell of cynicism and self-loathing. He thinks that pretty much everyone in this new world sucks, and that he sucks most of all for making it happen.

 

And yet...he hasn't stopped caring for people. He's still got that bleeding heart, even under layers and layers of pain and resentment. He still feels compassion and pity when faced with the suffering of innocents. In his heart of hearts, he hasn't stopped believing that the world can be better than it is. He cares, and that's why every new disappointment hurts so much.

 

(Oh my god, this is long. I...uh...just watched the ending again and it gave me a lot of feels to work out)


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You mean Cyprus?It's the only Greek speaking country other than Greece. :)
And I can understand this since I'm also currently living abroad.

 

Yes, Cyprus haha, you'd be surprised the amount of people that ask "What language do they speak?"..so "Greek speaking country" seemed easier.  I'm back in England now, have been for a while, but it's a very weird feeling which people find hard to understand unless they've done it themselves.


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Something like that needs an expansion and not at 2-4 hour DLC. As much fun as I had with the game and the story, I was left wanting more of the main journey. Even though the big threat of the breach and the Elder One is over, it doesn't feel like the story is. There's so much still there, and how can that be explained away in a few new maps and a handful of cut scenes? :huh:

 

I completely agree. There is too much left open right now. Too many questions that need to be answered. So much history left to uncover. I don't think all of this could be wrapped up in a standard DLC package. 

 

For me, it truly feels like this is the start, the beginning of the Dragon Age series. (It feels like DAO, and DA2 were more of a prequel.)

 

Our true adventure is nigh. 


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To be fair, they did really shake up the series with Inquisition.  Huge exploration zones, a completely revamped crafting system, a brand new engine...it reminds me of the transition from ME1 to ME2.  I'm on the fence about a direct sequel with the Inquisitor.  On one hand, I love my Inquisitor.  She's my favorite PC of the series by far, and it does get a little silly building up these very influential PCs only to have them disappear before the next game.  On the other hand, I do like getting new stories each game.

 

What makes it suck is that we barely spend time with our PC after he achieves his / her goals. so you only have your Warden once, your Hawke once, quizzy once... and you never get to see whatever happened to him/ her, their group of companions, their LI, their friends..  In this aspect DA2 was better because you followed a character for 10 years and each act let you see the aftermath of that act in the next

 

Besides that trope of "vanished without a trace" is getting old.  I think we need a 2nd game with Quizzy now or a reasonable explanation for his /her disappearance. 

 

Which to me would be Lavellan and solas living in Skyhold protecting Thedas from inside the Fade <3 My Lavellan would totally go Uthenera with her Solas, to be guardians of Thedas  through the ages <3


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So I'm talking myself back onto Team Optimism, because Quizzie's story is definitely not finished like Hawke's and the Warden's were at the end of their games, and it doesn't seem to me like there's an easy way to incorporate Quizzie into future content. So...they're going somewhere, hopefully it's somewhere where Solas can follow >.>

 

All thru the game there were many characters asking what the Inquisition will do after (I can think Mother Giselle, Cassandra, Vivienne, Morrigan form the top of my head).

 

And you never get to answer fully... just some sort of 'We will see when were done'. Most of them also forshadow that it will go wrong if you either  give up power or dont put down your sword depending on their pov.

 

I think that is something the last dlc they give us would address, to give closure to the whole thing and get us ready to move on to the next DA installement with a new character.

 

Wolf Hunt should definitly be set before that.



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Bioware wouldn't leave all of us heartbroken and feeling empty.... Right? :)

 

That’s what I initially told myself regarding Thane's story arc... :unsure:But I do have a feeling we'll be seeing more of Solas. The end of the game is just the beginning of his journey, and brings up more questions instead of providing closure . So despite my inclination towards pessimism :PI am also trying to stay hopeful.  


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Yes, Cyprus haha, you'd be surprised the amount of people that ask "What language do they speak?"..so "Greek speaking country" seemed easier. I'm back in England now, have been for a while, but it's a very weird feeling which people find hard to understand unless they've done it themselves.

Hehe,I'm Greek myself and I'm currently studying in Scotland.It's a fascinating experience but sometimes I can get this feeling as well. :)
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The problem with taking quizzy into DA4 is the companions,  I know that I would want all new and Solas, and I'm sure that most players would all new and their quizzy's LI so the quandry for the devs would be similar to ME2 going into ME3 - who are we going to have to shaft??  They are not going to want to take the whole cast forward into a new game like that imo.



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Thank the Maker for modders >.> 

Not usre that is what my Quizzy would wear but its a pretty good start.


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To be fair, they did really shake up the series with Inquisition.  Huge exploration zones, a completely revamped crafting system, a brand new engine...it reminds me of the transition from ME1 to ME2.  I'm on the fence about a direct sequel with the Inquisitor.  On one hand, I love my Inquisitor.  She's my favorite PC of the series by far, and it does get a little silly building up these very influential PCs only to have them disappear before the next game.  On the other hand, I do like getting new stories each game.

 

If they're going to keep bringing new heroes into the world, I hope they start to diversify a little. We've had three people come from SE Thedas and most of the series has taken place in Ferelden, with stop-overs in Kirkwall and Orlais. The excuses for the Warden's absence have not been very good (from "the Warden just disappeared," now to "the Warden is trying to fix the calling even though the world might be ending in their homeland"), and since Hawke is potentially dead I doubt that excuses for living-Hawke will get much better (they disappeared in Weisshaupt even though there's absolutely no reason they needed to go there in the first place). Simply moving the problems to the Anderfels or Tevinter would pretty much solve this problem, since they're 1,000's of miles away and beyond the sphere of influence for our current crew. I know they've said that their intention is to move north, but...I'll believe it when I see it.

 

And part of my wants to grow with characters the way we could in ME. It seems like I just get a chance to like and appreciate everyone before they peace out. It'd be cool if they continued carrying over one or two characters from the last game into the next as a sort of happy medium, though I can't think of who would follow from the Inner Circle...


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That’s what I initially told myself regarding Thane's story arc... :unsure:But I do have a feeling we'll be seeing more of Solas. The end of the game is just the beginning of his journey, and brings up more questions instead of providing closure . So despite my inclination towards pessimism :PI am also trying to stay hopeful.  

 

I'll say this again, don't forget Patrick Weekes was the only writer who wanted an option to save Thane. They really need to listen to him more...


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That’s what I initially told myself regarding Thane's story arc... :unsure:But I do have a feeling we'll be seeing more of Solas. The end of the game is just the beginning of his journey, and brings up more questions instead of providing closure . So despite my inclination towards pessimism :PI am also trying to stay hopeful.  

 

First I think the Dragon Age team is cut from a whole different cloth than the ME team. DA2 was heavily criticized but they never blamed the fans for the debacle, while the ME team just said we fans didn't know how to see their "artistic vision". The DA team posts often in the threads at BSN, the ME team though that was beneath them.. Whole different philosophy for relationship with fans.

 

Second the bad ending soured the sales for the game and over 60% didn't finish their PT at first, a completely different result than they got with DA and the previous ME.  It burned the franchise so bad they didn't even want to call ME4 "mass effect"  One would hope their learned their lesson


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Thank the Maker for modders >.> 

Not usre that is what my Quizzy would wear but its a pretty good start.

Not sure this was a mod, I think is just someone very good with photoshop. We can't mod shapes in moving characters yet :P



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What makes it suck is that we barely spend time with our PC after he achieves his / her goals. so you only have your Warden once, your Hawke once, quizzy once... and you never get to see whatever happened to him/ her, their group of companions, their LI, their friends.. In this aspect DA2 was better because you followed a character for 10 years and each act let you see the aftermath of that act in the next

Besides that trope of "vanished without a trace" is getting old. I think we need a 2nd game with Quizzy now or a reasonable explanation for his /her disappearance.

Which to me would be Lavellan and solas living in Skyhold protecting Thedas from inside the Fade <3 My Lavellan would totally go Uthenera with her Solas, to be guardians of Thedas through the ages <3

I agree,as refreshing as it is to have a new protagonist in each game it can also get a bit repetitive.Especially when the previous protagonists randomly vanish.
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And yet...he hasn't stopped caring for people. He's still got that bleeding heart, even under layers and layers of pain and resentment. He still feels compassion and pity when faced with the suffering of innocents. In his heart of hearts, he hasn't stopped believing that the world can be better than it is. He cares, and that's why every new disappointment hurts so much.

 

(Oh my god, this is long. I...uh...just watched the ending again and it gave me a lot of feels to work out)

 

 

This made me want to hug him. Again. I think that the reason why I can't play any other race except elf is this one. Because he is in pain and the only way to truly make him happy at least for some time is to play a pretty elf lady, who can listen and understand that inner pain without words. :crying:

I want my companions to be happy! :wizard: Especially Solas.

 

 

 

 

 

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If they're going to keep bringing new heroes into the world, I hope they start to diversify a little. We've had three people come from SE Thedas and most of the series has taken place in Ferelden, with stop-overs in Kirkwall and Orlais. The excuses for the Warden's absence have not been very good (from "the Warden just disappeared," now to "the Warden is trying to fix the calling even though the world might be ending in their homeland"), and since Hawke is potentially dead I doubt that excuses for living-Hawke will get much better (they disappeared in Weisshaupt even though there's absolutely no reason they needed to go there in the first place). Simply moving the problems to the Anderfels or Tevinter would pretty much solve this problem, since they're 1,000's of miles away and beyond the sphere of influence for our current crew. I know they've said that their intention is to move north, but...I'll believe it when I see it.

 

And part of my wants to grow with characters the way we could in ME. It seems like I just get a chance to like and appreciate everyone before they peace out. It'd be cool if they continued carrying over one or two characters from the last game into the next as a sort of happy medium, though I can't think of who would follow from the Inner Circle...

I'd take Cole and Cass.. plus Solas ofc. Or Maybe Dorian and Cole if we go to Tevinter



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I'll say this again, don't forget Patrick Weekes was the only writer who wanted an option to save Thane. They really need to listen to him more...

 

Weekes is the best. I love listening to his interviews because you can tell that overall he really cares about writing so that every player feels satisfied with their experience. And he seems to love the characters he works on, and wants to make them more than good/bad tropes.

 

I have faith in him please don't prove me wrong!!


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