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[NightSymphony]

Random thought - Druffalo sure are adorable!!  I want to hug one!!  They're so fluffy I could die!!!!! 

[Sashimi_taco]

I know that Solas and Lavellan's relationship was mostly private, but I kind of wish that more people would comment on it.  I saw that Dorian would comment on Cullen's relationship, and says "I see you have a thing for strapping young templars... it's just something I find adorable about you." (Awww...) It would be cute if he had something to say about Solas, lol.

 

People whisper about it in the halls. Also sera has some strong opinions about it if you bring her on a mission with you on solas. She says it's dumb. Solas says something along the lines of "I'm not dumb, you're dumb". But you know he said it in a much more sophisticated way. 

[HurricaneGinger]

I didn't really interpret him as planning everything out that closely. In his interactions with the Inquisitor, you can clearly see that he's trying to stay distant, but he almost always allows himself to be persuaded into talking more. You can just see him struggling between gratifying your curiosity and not giving too much away. Because, really, he likes being talked to. He doesn't want to be isolated. It's what he fears most in the world. To have lived and died with nobody understanding him. If you go back through the game, you can see that 90% of what he tells you is the truth. And whenever you call him out for inconsistencies, he fumbles a bit. I don't think he wants to lie to you. His heart just isn't in it. But he feels that he has to in order to stay with the Inquisition.

 

And then he breaks it off...a self-fulfilling prophecy. Hopefully we'll be given the choice to show him otherwise.

 

 

Solas doesn't want the Inquisitor to drink, because she'll be bound to Mythal.  But he also acknowledges that they can't leave it there for Corypheus to take.  I think it's understandable he's upset even if he realizes there was little choice.  And he wasn't going to drink because Mythal having complete control over him might be worse than Mythal having control over a regular person.  He couldn't take that risk, especially since he still sees himself with a lot of important things to do.

 

The ending is very debatable...  But yeah, if Solas has taken Mythal's soul/power, I imagine that means he'd have control over an Inquisitor who drank from the well.

 

 

...so

 

...we're married? XD j/k

[kalasaurus]

People whisper about it in the halls. Also sera has some strong opinions about it if you bring her on a mission with you on solas. She says it's dumb. Solas says something along the lines of "I'm not dumb, you're dumb". But you know he said it in a much more sophisticated way. 

 

I know that Sera, Cole and Cassandra all have something to say when Solas's romance is active.  I just wish that Dorian would say something too because his comment about Cullen was so cute.  Sera is a b*tch about it (edit: just to Solas; I'll admit her "elven glory" comment was pretty hilarious), and Cole and Cassandra only have something to say after the break up.

[arelenriel]

Random thought - Druffalo sure are adorable!!  I want to hug one!!  They're so fluffy I could die!!!!! 

So are the Nuggalope's though my Lavellan is mostly sticking to the Harts

[Eomie]

I mean half an elf in spirit not body, the other half being this god. I thought that maybe there could be an internal struggle between the two about his romance. I have to admit though, i dont know enough about the history to debate all this correctly.

Oh, I think I miss understood you then! LoL! I am not sure about this. I personally think he is the real deal, because he would be the only one left if he sealed away the other gods. Then again is would honestly depends on what the gods really are...So many dang questions. Good Job Bioware....Good Job....

[NightSymphony]

So are the Nuggalope's though my Lavellan is mostly sticking to the Harts

I bet the Harts are really soft. I want to hug them too!! 

[bunniebean]

I bet Bioware doesnt even know what they want to do yet, they're reading all the super fan banter and deciding what tragic/sad choice fans will have to make lol

[madrar]

So, I have a question....Does anyone have and opinion on what the Void may be? I get the impression that it is different from the fade. I was just reading the story of Andruil from the Temple of Mythal and was curious of opinions.

*deep breath*

Ok. My grasp on lore is patchy and incomplete, so the following is likely to be deeply flawed in parts, if not entirely wrong. With that caveat, here's my current brain dump about the Abyss.

Starting small, drinking from the well gives us a new and really interesting piece of ancient text:

"His crime is high treason. He took on a form reserved for the gods and their chosen, and dared to fly in the shape of the divine. The sinner belongs to Dirthamen; he claims he took wings at the urging of Ghilan’nain and begs protection from Mythal. She does not show him favor, and will let Elgar’nan judge him.”

For a moment there is an image of shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades.

For now, let's put aside the question of "why". One possible explanation might be an unsanctioned action ordered by a commanding officer in the heat of an ancient battle like those we've seen depicted in ancient frescoes and cave paintings. Or perhaps the subject attempted to misrepresent himself as a God or one of their Chosen in dealing with a third party. Either way, the crime seems to have been taking on the restricted/forbidden form of a dragon.

Similarly, ignore the "who". There is just enough faint, tantalizing connection here to suggest Solas, (subject of Dirthamen could indicate possible fade walker, his default "at ease" posture and dialogue with Blackwell hint at long service as a soldier under the command of others, the apparent nature of Elgar'nan's punishment, etc) but the essential "gee golly what a coincidence" here makes me reluctant to build anything on that in the absence of further evidence.

The "what" is the most interesting part. The subject is on trial for treason against the Pantheon, and I believe the image that follows hints at both his punishment and fate. Alger'nan casts him into the Abyss as a dark, blazing-eyed monster for Andruil's hunting pleasure.

....why yes, that does sound like someone we know. But again, it's almost too serendipitous not to be theory bait, so I'm not 100% on board.

The key takeaway here is the idea of the Pantheon using the Abyss as their own personal Guantanamo, filling it with what are essentially political prisoners: any and all entities who defy them or the Order they represent. And further, allowing Andruil to hunt them for sport.

What's the connection between the Abyss and blight? There's quite a bit of evidence connecting Andruil's story (her madness, armor, weapons, and clash with Mythal) to the Abyss, but I think we've chewed over all that earlier in the thread, so I won't waste space here.

In the Dalish tales, Elgar'nan is most famously remembered for casting down his father, the Sun, the pre-pantheon source of creation and original Dragon-God, if the red lyrium idol is a (broken but still recognizable) representation of what I believe it to be: the mythical moment of Elgar'nan's creation from the embrace of the Sun (the bottom half-dragon figure) and the Earth (the top figure, encircled by a band of stone).

So how is the Sun connected to Blight? Blood and red lyrium. Blue lyrium has been referred to as the living "blood of the earth" in several contexts, a term which may not be as metaphorical as we originally thought. Similarly, we have new references to the blood of the Sun in both Dalish myth and a second ancient elven codex which, taken together, paint a very suggestive picture.

In the Dalish tale of Elgar'nan in which he casts his father down, the Sun's blood spatters the heavens, ostensibly becoming the stars. Consider that in the context of the new codex we have from the temple of Mythal describing Andruil's great weapon:

"She shook the radiance of the stars, divided them into grains of light, then stored them in a shaft of gold."

If stars are the red lyrium blood of the Sun, that sounds a bit like weaponized blight at this point, doesn't it?

Another potential connection, or perhaps just a real world wink from the writers: Andruil's weapon could be plausibly conceived as a nuclear hydrogen bomb. Describing it as a golden shaft filled with the "grains" that make up stars seems leading to begin with. Add in the mutative effects of blight, the fact that Solas refers to blight magic as "unnatural" and "poison", and obvious "cancer of the earth" metaphors, and there's either something there or it's a pretty elaborate red herring.

So. There is some reason to believe that the entity the Dalish know as the Sun (the bleeding and weakened original Dragon-God) may have been the first prisoner Elgar'nan cast into the Abyss, though certainly not the last. Whether it is the actual source of the blight, or whether the red lyrium=blight connection comes from a later uprising attempt gone horribly wrong or some other twisting of his nature is very much up for debate. My lore background is largely limited to DA:I, made even sketchier by the fact that I'm currently in Germany and have no sanity check access to the game.

For example, there seems to be a potentially interesting link between the Abyss, the Sun, and the Profane codex- but without direct access to DA2, all I have is text without context. Just enough to be suspicious, without being directly testable or supportable in any way. Gah.

Anyway. Things this theory doesn't address or don't seem to fit quite right yet:

1. The deep connection between red lyrium and blood / blood magic. In particular, the way red lyrium replaces living tissue and has been observed absorbing blood directly, as well as how to relate the apparent blue lyrium + massive blood magic = red lyrium equation that seems to be supported by events at the ToSA, the original Corypheus fade breach (likely, but no direct evidence), as well as Mythal's 'murder' and the blighting of Arlathan (totally theoretical nutbag theory).

2. Solas' personal timeline. The nature of his original position within the pre-veil hierarchy. The nature of the crime for which he was cast down as the Dread Wolf. The bargain he may have struck to be released. I have my theories, but the evidence is thin and almost entirely circumstantial. I also really, really want to be wrong. The picture it paints is not a hopeful one.

There's something missing in all this. @w@ Sic 'em, Wolf Pack.

[bunniebean]

 Sic 'em, Wolf Pack.

Oh god, totally off topic but just refreshed my memory...My platoon in basic training was the Wolf Pack ha ha how fitting.

[Renmiri1]

So are the Nuggalope's though my Lavellan is mostly sticking to the Harts

Heh I love my Bog Unicorn, he is fast and creepy enough to remind me of my Skyrim ghost horse

[Eomie]

Maybe a little of both?  I think he did it initially to control the Quizzy, got distracted by love, and changed his plans for her.

I definitely agree with this! He does finally tell you that he loves you in one of the cut scenes, but you have to translate the elvish. I think is translates into " I love you my heart."

[Uirebhiril]

Random thought - Druffalo sure are adorable!!  I want to hug one!!  They're so fluffy I could die!!!!! 

 

Druffalo are stupid and don't follow you all the way back to their pasture.

 

Also my team can fight a dragon and win and five minutes later all die to ONE druffalo someone accidentally hits while fighting bandits. No. They are not adorable. They are evil. To hell with Corypheus and darkspawn, druffalo are the real blight on the world.

 

Signed,

 

Only Slightly Bitter

[bunniebean]

I definitely agree with this! He does finally tell you that he loves you in one of the cut scenes, but you have to translate the elvish. I think is translates into " I love you my heart."

If he didnt truely love then it would of been easy for him to give Levellan an "I love you too" in the final romance scene. Considering he wouldnt care if it was the truth or not.

[Renmiri1]

2. Solas' personal timeline. The nature of his original position within the pre-veil hierarchy. The nature of the crime for which he was cast down as the Dread Wolf. The bargain he may have struck to be released. I have my theories, but the evidence is thin and almost entirely circumstantial. I also really, really want to be wrong. The picture it paints is not a hopeful one.

There's something missing in all this. @w@ Sic 'em, Wolf Pack.

 

Remember when Solas comments on Cole turning from spirit to human ?

 

Cole reads his mind and Solas says out loud "I didn't think I would see it" then on his mind he adds "again".

Solas then tells Cole that Cole has chosen a hard path and wishes him luck

 

Almost like he saw someone going through this path.. Or he has done it himself

Perhaps all elven Gods were spirits once ? That would explain a lot

 

Spirits can do magic, are immortal, get corrupted and go mad when they reach Thedas... Perhaps the elven Gods, even with precautions also got a bit insane after they decided to be human

[zambixi]

I know that Sera, Cole and Cassandra all have something to say when Solas's romance is active.  I just wish that Dorian would say something too because his comment about Cullen was so cute.  Sera is a b*tch about it (edit: just to Solas; I'll admit her "elven glory" comment was pretty hilarious), and Cole and Cassandra only have something to say after the break up.

 

Cassandra has a banter about perfume which is pretty cute. Viv also says something about you making eyes at him but I forget what it was. I do wish there was a comment from everyone; wonder what Varric and IB would say too.

[kalasaurus]

Cassandra has a banter about perfume which is pretty cute. Viv also says something about you making eyes at him but I forget what it was. I do wish there was a comment from everyone; wonder what Varric and IB would say too.

 

Oh right, I forgot about that XD.

 

I hope that any Solas DLC in the future will have the companions comment on the relationship Lavellan had with Solas.  I'd really love to see how Cassandra would react to the tragic romance once they meet again.

[bunniebean]

Oh right, I forgot about that XD.

 

I hope that any Solas DLC in the future will have the companions comment on the relationship Lavellan had with Solas.  I'd really love to see how Cassandra would react to the tragic romance once they meet again.

Cassandra would eat it up like her smutty books, then make Varric write it into an novel ha ha

[LapCat]

*deep breath*

Ok. My grasp on lore is patchy and incomplete, so the following is likely to be deeply flawed in parts, if not entirely. With that caveat, here's my current brain dump about the Abyss.

Starting small, drinking from the well gives us a new and really interesting piece of ancient text:


For now, let's put aside the question of "why"- the most plausible context being a desperate, unsanctioned action, apparently ordered by a commanding officer in the heat of a battle like those we've seen depicted in ancient frescoes. Specifically, taking on the restricted/forbidden form of a dragon.

Similarly, ignore the "who". There is just enough faint, tantalizing connection here to suggest Solas, (subject of Dirthamen = possible fade walker, his default "at ease" posture and dialogue with Blackwell hint at long service as a soldier under the command of others, the apparent nature of Alger'nan's punishment, etc) but the essential "gee golly what a coincidence" here makes me reluctant to build anything on that possibility in the absence of further evidence.

The "what" is what's most interesting. The subject is on trial for treason against the gods, and I believe the image that follows hints at both his punishment and fate. He is cast down into the Abyss as a dark, blazing-eyed monster for Andruil's hunting pleasure.

....yes, that does sound like someone we know. But again, it's almost too serendipitous not to be theory bait, so I'm not 100% on board.

The key takeaway here is the idea of the elvish Pantheon using the Abyss as their own personal Guantanamo, populating it with what are essentially political prisoners: any and all entities who defy them. And further, allowing Andruil to hunt them for sport.

Now for its connection to the blight. In the Dalish tales, Alger'nan is most famously remembered for casting down his father, the Sun, the pre-pantheon source of creation and possible original true Dragon-God, if the red lyrium idol is a (broken but still recognizable) representation of what I believe it to be: the mythical moment of Alger'nan's creation from the embrace of the Sun (the bottom half-dragon figure) and the Earth (the top figure, encircled by a band of stone).

So how is the Sun connected to Blight? Blood and red lyrium. In terms that may not be as metaphorical as we originally thought, blue lyrium has been referred to as the living "blood of the earth". Similarly, we have new references to the blood of the sun in both Dalish tales and another ancient elven codex which, taken together, paint a very suggestive picture.

(cutting and pasting from my Black City post)

In the Dalish tale of Alger'nan in which he casts his father down, the Sun's blood spatters the heavens, ostensibly becoming the stars. Consider that in the context of the new codex we have from the temple of Mythal describing Andruil's great weapon:


Is stars are the blood of the Sun, that sounds a bit like weaponized red lyrium at this point, doesn't it?

Another potential connection, or perhaps just a "real world" wink from the writers: Andruil's weapon as a nuclear hydrogen bomb. Describing it as a golden shaft filled with the "grains" that make up stars seems leading to begin with. Add in the mutative effects of blight, the fact that Solas refers to blight magic as "unnatural" and "poison", and obvious "cancer of the earth" metaphors, and there's either something there or it's a pretty elaborate red herring.

So. There is some reason to believe that the entity the Dalish know as the "Sun" (the bleeding and weakened original dragon-god) may have been the first prisoner Alger'nan cast into the Abyss, though certainly not the last. Whether it is the actual source of the blight, or whether the red lyrium=blight connection comes from a later uprising attempt gone horribly wrong or some other twisting of his nature is very much up for debate. My lore background is largely limited to DA:I, made even sketchier by the fact that I'm currently in Germany and have no sanity check access to the game.

For example, there seems to be a potentially interesting link between the Abyss, the Sun, and the Profane codex- but without direct access to DA2, all I have is text without context. Just enough to be suspicious, without being directly testable or supportable in any way. Gah.

Anyway. Things this theory doesn't address or don't seem to fit quite right yet:

1. The deep connection between red lyrium and blood / blood magic. In particular, the way red lyrium replaces living tissue and has been observed absorbing blood directly, as well as how to relate the apparent blue lyrium + massive blood magic = red lyrium equation that seems to be supported by events at the ToSA, the original Corypheus fade breach (likely but no direct evidence), as well as Mythal's 'murder' and the blighting of Arlathan (totally theoretical nutbag theory).

2. Solas' personal timeline. The nature of his original position within the pre-veil hierarchy. The nature of the crime for which he was cast down as the Dread Wolf. The bargain he may have struck to be released. I have my theories, but the evidence is thin and almost entirely circumstantial. I also really, really want to be wrong. The picture it paints is not a hopeful one.

There's something missing in all this. @w@ Sic 'em, Wolf Pack.

 

I'm curious why you think the sun from the story is a dragon god? Though all of this is speculation and there probably won't be evidence either way, it was my impression that the creator god they referenced was in fact the creator god. Not that story actually happened, just that it was suggesting a relationship of a creator of the Elven gods.

[CapricornSun]

 

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[bunniebean]

Wait, wait, wait. Does anyone else find it curious that bioware made Solas a romance option at last minute? Makes me think the romanced inquisitor will have an impact on the next game and/or dlc. Like someone over there said "Wait, you know what would make that choice harder?"

[Uirebhiril]

Wait, wait, wait. Does anyone else find it curious that bioware made Solas a romance option at last minute? Makes me think the romanced inquisitor will have an impact on the next game and/or dlc. Like someone over there said "Wait, you know what would make that choice harder?"

 

I'm hoping we end up getting some insight on how Solas became a romance in that upcoming interview. I've been burning to know.

[Birdy]

So I know people don't generally like Solas being too aggressive. But I still thought it was awesome. Kinda what I'd imagine him being before him believing slavery was wrong.

 

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[NeverlandHunter]

Random thought - Druffalo sure are adorable!!  I want to hug one!!  They're so fluffy I could die!!!!!

They're so slow I could die -.- actually I did...multiple times at a certain rift because of a stupid slow arse beast.

[CapricornSun]

Wait, wait, wait. Does anyone else find it curious that bioware made Solas a romance option at last minute? Makes me think the romanced inquisitor will have an impact on the next game and/or dlc. Like someone over there said "Wait, you know what would make that choice harder?"

 

This is partially why I think the Solas romance might play a part in the next game/DLC. They wouldn't just add in his romance in the last minute for shits and giggles and fandom tears then just ignore it in the sequel/DLC.

 

Would they?