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[bunniebean]

I'm hoping we end up getting some insight on how Solas became a romance in that upcoming interview. I've been burning to know.

......interview.......needing details right about now! lol

[NeverlandHunter]

Heh I love my Bog Unicorn, he is fast and creepy enough to remind me of my Skyrim ghost horse

Shadowmere is my baby! My big beautiful undead evil baby! Seriously that horse is a godsend in a video game that allows mounts to die. Hehe, I'm not paying $$ for that horse that will get swallowed by a dragon because it is heroically stupid (no horse don't! Dragons are bigger than you! You're only allowed to fight mudcrabs!) I have my undead horse. Watch as I fly off this cliff!!! I died! But the horse lives!!

[Blue Gloves]

Okay fellow Solassians (is that what we are, btw?  Do we have a name?  I'm totally down with a name... as long as it's nothing like -shudders- "Cumberbitches" ) I need a little assistance.  I'm about to do my totally beta'd, 100% metagamed, canon play-through (A mage Lavellan, although I struggled long and hard over whether she'd be an archer or a mage) and I want to make sure that I trigger the "What lies dormant" quest.  I've never gotten it before, and it makes me a sad panda.  How do I do it?  Do I just go to the hinterlands, come straight back to haven and talk to solas?  Can I initiate the measuring the veil quest that way?  and if I do, will it work around the what lies dormant bug?  Please help- must... have... as... much... Solas... as... possible.

[bunniebean]

This is partially why I think the Solas romance might play a part in the next game/DLC. They wouldn't just add in his romance in the last minute for shits and giggles and fandom tears then just ignore it in the sequel/DLC.

 

Would they? 

Nah, it would of came together better if they made Varric a choice if it was for sh*** and giggles.

[zambixi]

Okay fellow Solassians (is that what we are, btw?  Do we have a name?  I'm totally down with a name... as long as it's nothing like -shudders- "Cumberbitches" ) I need a little assistance.  I'm about to do my totally beta'd, 100% metagamed, canon play-through (A mage Lavellan, although I struggled long and hard over whether she'd be an archer or a mage) and I want to make sure that I trigger the "What lies dormant" quest.  I've never gotten it before, and it makes me a sad panda.  How do I do it?  Do I just go to the hinterlands, come straight back to haven and talk to solas?  Can I initiate the measuring the veil quest that way?  and if I do, will it work around the what lies dormant bug?  Please help- must... have... as... much... Solas... as... possible.

 

I don't think they've fixed that particular bug yet. 100% certain if you're on the XB1, as they have yet to release any patch on that system.

[Blue Gloves]

I don't think they've fixed that particular bug yet. 100% certain if you're on the XB1, as they have yet to release any patch on that system.

 oh shoot.  im on the ps4- does that mean that this quest is always broken, for everyone?

[Aetheria]

Okay fellow Solassians (is that what we are, btw?  Do we have a name?  I'm totally down with a name... as long as it's nothing like -shudders- "Cumberbitches" ) I need a little assistance.  I'm about to do my totally beta'd, 100% metagamed, canon play-through (A mage Lavellan, although I struggled long and hard over whether she'd be an archer or a mage) and I want to make sure that I trigger the "What lies dormant" quest.  I've never gotten it before, and it makes me a sad panda.  How do I do it?  Do I just go to the hinterlands, come straight back to haven and talk to solas?  Can I initiate the measuring the veil quest that way?  and if I do, will it work around the what lies dormant bug?  Please help- must... have... as... much... Solas... as... possible.

Sadly, as far as I know, nobody has managed to figure out what exactly causes the bug.

 

If anyone manages to get the quest, they should take a video so the rest of us can see what we're missing!

[HurricaneGinger]

This is partially why I think the Solas romance might play a part in the next game/DLC. They wouldn't just add in his romance in the last minute for shits and giggles and fandom tears then just ignore it in the sequel/DLC.

 

Would they? 

 

No, it's not like them to do that. They may bring characters back from the dead, but ignoring a major character like Solas? Especially when he is romanceable? I doubt it. Honestly, I hope they show Solas a lot of dedication...still haven't forgiven them for how they treated Zevran.

[Eomie]

*deep breath*

Ok. My grasp on lore is patchy and incomplete, so the following is likely to be deeply flawed in parts, if not entirely wrong. With that caveat, here's my current brain dump about the Abyss.

Starting small, drinking from the well gives us a new and really interesting piece of ancient text:


For now, let's put aside the question of "why"- the most plausible explanation being an unsanctioned action, apparently ordered by a commanding officer in the heat of an ancient battle like those we've seen depicted in ancient frescoes and cave paintings. Specifically, taking on the restricted/forbidden form of a dragon.

Similarly, ignore the "who". There is just enough faint, tantalizing connection here to suggest Solas, (subject of Dirthamen could indicate possible fade walker, his default "at ease" posture and dialogue with Blackwell hint at long service as a soldier under the command of others, the apparent nature of Alger'nan's punishment, etc) but the essential "gee golly what a coincidence" here makes me reluctant to build anything on that in the absence of further evidence.

The "what" is what's most interesting. The subject is on trial for treason against the gods, and I believe the image that follows hints at both his punishment and fate. He is cast down into the Abyss as a dark, blazing-eyed monster for Andruil's hunting pleasure.

....why yes, that does sound like someone we know. But again, it's almost too serendipitous not to be theory bait, so I'm not 100% on board.

The key takeaway here is the idea of the Pantheon using the Abyss as their own personal Guantanamo, filling it with what are essentially political prisoners: any and all entities who defy them. And further, allowing Andruil to hunt them for sport.

What's the connection between the Abyss and blight? There's quite a bit of evidence connecting Andruil's story (her madness, armor, weapons, and clash with Mythal) to the Abyss, but I think we've chewed over all that earlier in the thread, so I won't waste space here.

In the Dalish tales, Alger'nan is most famously remembered for casting down his father, the Sun, the pre-pantheon source of creation and possible original Dragon-God, if the red lyrium idol is a (broken but still recognizable) representation of what I believe it to be: the mythical moment of Alger'nan's creation from the embrace of the Sun (the bottom half-dragon figure) and the Earth (the top figure, encircled by a band of stone).

So how is the Sun connected to Blight? Blood and red lyrium. Blue lyrium has been referred to as the living "blood of the earth" in several contexts, a term which may not be as metaphorical as we originally thought. Similarly, we have new references to the blood of the Sun in both Dalish myth and a second ancient elven codex which, taken together, paint a very suggestive picture.

In the Dalish tale of Alger'nan in which he casts his father down, the Sun's blood spatters the heavens, ostensibly becoming the stars. Consider that in the context of the new codex we have from the temple of Mythal describing Andruil's great weapon:


If stars are the red lyrium blood of the Sun, that sounds a bit like weaponized blight at this point, doesn't it?

Another potential connection, or perhaps just a real world wink from the writers: Andruil's weapon could be plausibly conceived as a nuclear hydrogen bomb. Describing it as a golden shaft filled with the "grains" that make up stars seems leading to begin with. Add in the mutative effects of blight, the fact that Solas refers to blight magic as "unnatural" and "poison", and obvious "cancer of the earth" metaphors, and there's either something there or it's a pretty elaborate red herring.

So. There is some reason to believe that the entity the Dalish know as the Sun (the bleeding and weakened original Dragon-God) may have been the first prisoner Alger'nan cast into the Abyss, though certainly not the last. Whether it is the actual source of the blight, or whether the red lyrium=blight connection comes from a later uprising attempt gone horribly wrong or some other twisting of his nature is very much up for debate. My lore background is largely limited to DA:I, made even sketchier by the fact that I'm currently in Germany and have no sanity check access to the game.

For example, there seems to be a potentially interesting link between the Abyss, the Sun, and the Profane codex- but without direct access to DA2, all I have is text without context. Just enough to be suspicious, without being directly testable or supportable in any way. Gah.

Anyway. Things this theory doesn't address or don't seem to fit quite right yet:

1. The deep connection between red lyrium and blood / blood magic. In particular, the way red lyrium replaces living tissue and has been observed absorbing blood directly, as well as how to relate the apparent blue lyrium + massive blood magic = red lyrium equation that seems to be supported by events at the ToSA, the original Corypheus fade breach (likely, but no direct evidence), as well as Mythal's 'murder' and the blighting of Arlathan (totally theoretical nutbag theory).

2. Solas' personal timeline. The nature of his original position within the pre-veil hierarchy. The nature of the crime for which he was cast down as the Dread Wolf. The bargain he may have struck to be released. I have my theories, but the evidence is thin and almost entirely circumstantial. I also really, really want to be wrong. The picture it paints is not a hopeful one.

There's something missing in all this. @w@ Sic 'em, Wolf Pack.

I just want you to know, I have waited all day to read this lol!

 

We have already been told that Red Lyrium is simply blue lyrium that has contracted the blight. That also insists that Lyrium is alive. Now what that really signifies is currently unknown. I do wonder if it relates to why the dwarves are the way they are.

 

I also think that Andruil might have turned herself into a golem, because they mention that she puts on armor and they forget her face. I will link the codex at the bottom. I think that the anvil of the void was created by Andriul and found by Caridin not created by him.

 

Now then did have to take another look at the red lyrium idol. I agree that there is definitely a dragon in there and female figure pulling someone from it's clutches, but honestly, I am not sure that it represents the birth of Elgar'nan.  I am going to go and take a look at some video's of the primeval thaig, if I can find any, and see what I can see lol! I am now curious.

 

Derp, also I think that Solas was betrayed by a woman that he might have shared his powers with or cared for, which might explain why he is not sure about our inquisitors advances at first. Choosing certain conversation options after you/morrigan drinks from the well he will talk about that betrayal. I will try to find a link to it and post it below!

 

 

Andriul Codex- http://dragonage.wik...ven_God_Andruil

Lyrium idol Codex- http://dragonage.wik...iki/Lyrium_idol

Primeval Thaig Codex- http://dragonage.wik...g#Notable_items

Solas Conversation- http://youtu.be/ipAuZZTaeX8

[bunniebean]

No, it's not like them to do that. They may bring characters back from the dead, but ignoring a major character like Solas? Especially when he is romanceable? I doubt it. Honestly, I hope they show Solas a lot of dedication...still haven't forgiven them for how they treated Zevran.

That explains it. This is all transferance from the broken Zevran romance dialouge Im still bitter for sure lol

[Eveangaline]

So after the game ending, Cole had some weird little thing he said with what sounded like someone talking to him and saying goodbye and saying they couldn't take him on their path with them and making him forget. Anyone else think that Solas might have done that? Said his last goodbyes to his spirit friend in the inquisition but made him forget so he couldn't say where Solas was going or accidentally spill anything he picked up from his head in that last goodbye?

[Birdy]

So after the game ending, Cole had some weird little thing he said with what sounded like someone talking to him and saying goodbye and saying they couldn't take him on their path with them and making him forget. Anyone else think that Solas might have done that? Said his last goodbyes to his spirit friend in the inquisition but made him forget so he couldn't say where Solas was going or accidentally spill anything he picked up from his head in that last goodbye?

That's the general consensus. But I think it was more so Cole wouldn't try to help him.

[Birdy]

Pfft

http://fartsenpai.tu...fucking-delight

[NeverlandHunter]

No, it's not like them to do that. They may bring characters back from the dead, but ignoring a major character like Solas? Especially when he is romanceable? I doubt it. Honestly, I hope they show Solas a lot of dedication...still haven't forgiven them for how they treated Zevran.

I'm on my phone so I can't like but I agree!
My poor Amor! You caught a bad case of ugly :'( ah but your voice is still the equivalent to floating down a chocolate river through a field of singing cherubs and past a cavern of crystallized stars!
Lazy design on the designers part I guess...:'(

[Sashimi_taco]

So I know people don't generally like Solas being too aggressive. But I still thought it was awesome. Kinda what I'd imagine him being before him believing slavery was wrong.

 

NSFW
http://archiveofouro...g/works/2805743

 

I know I shouldn't.... but i love it. 

[Bluwthe]

I wanted to contribute a bit of fanfiction to the thread if that is alright. Just want to add a soothing balm on the burn his break up caused.

 

All New, For Her

[NeverlandHunter]

Do you guys think Solas made Cole forget about him completey or just his connection to him?
How were they communicating? The Fade? Was Solas reading Cole's mind? Did he realize the Inquisitor was right in front of him!? Can Solad make Cole forget because he's a spirit or because he's flipping Cole's power around on him? What if Solas could make anyone forget *_*? My Lavellan is definitely going to call Solas out for his Jedi mind tricks if she gets the chance!

[CapricornSun]

So I know people don't generally like Solas being too aggressive. But I still thought it was awesome. Kinda what I'd imagine him being before him believing slavery was wrong.

 

NSFW
http://archiveofouro...g/works/2805743

 

*fans self*

 

Well that was... something. 

 

I love it.

 

Also, I'm out of likes... darn it! Have a

[madrar]

Remember when Solas comments on Cole turning from spirit to human ?

Cole reads his mind and Solas says out loud "I didn't think I would see it" then on his mind he adds "again".
Solas then tells Cole that Cole has chosen a hard path and wishes him luck

Almost like he saw someone going through this path.. Or he has done it himself
Perhaps all elven Gods were spirits once ? That would explain a lot

Spirits can do magic, are immortal, get corrupted and go mad when they reach Thedas... Perhaps the elven Gods, even with precautions also got a bit insane after they decided to be human

Hmmm. I think the simple-spirits-became-gods theory is discredited at this point. The nature of fade spirits creates a fundamental contradiction: there was no reality and no sentient life to reflect before the veil, thus spirits could not exist before it did.

The theory that Solas may have been a party to the initial creation/protection of the physical races has been chewed over a bit (Cole-Solas banter) and I certainly agree that there's something to it. I'd bet good money that Mythal is involved, but I think the concept of gods themselves "evolving" in a similar way is off. If we're not reading too much into Cole's banter, Solas hasn't sacrificed anything of his existence in the fade to take physical form here. He exists (and likely has existed) in both places simultaneously. If anything, I think Mythal and the other gods' current state represents a devolution of sorts. They're crippled, severed from the fullness of what they used to be.

[Eivuwan]

Am I the only one here who wants an ending in which Solas and Lavellan both sacrifice their lives for some greater good? I would like to see that as one of the ending possibilities because it shows that he has finally accepted her as an equal partner who he can go through life and death with. Right now he just doesn't want her involved at all in his plans, which is hurtful even if he has good intentions.

[CardinalSin90]

Am I the only one here who wants an ending in which Solas and Lavellan both sacrifice their lives for some greater good? I would like to see that as one of the ending possibilities because it shows that he has finally accepted her as an equal partner who he can go through life and death with. Right now he just doesn't want her involved at all in his plans, which is hurtful even if he has good intentions.

I am with you on that. As much as I want a happy ending I know the Dragon Age Universe is far from rainbows and unicorns. Considering the heavy guilt and pain weighing on Solas I find myself leaning to tragic endings. But if its a happy one Ill be more than thrilled

[madrar]

I'm curious why you think the sun from the story is a dragon god? Though all of this is speculation and there probably won't be evidence either way, it was my impression that the creator god they referenced was in fact the creator god. Not that story actually happened, just that it was suggesting a relationship of a creator of the Elven gods.

This Dalish myth, which seems to be the sculptural basis for the red lyrium idol, in which the Sun seems to be represented by a figure that is at least partially dragon. (That part is fractured, but the basic form is still suggestive.)

The dragon-god connection is traceable well after that, but if the connection holds, everything that followed would have been in emulation, to some degree. He would have been the original.

[SamanthaJ]

Solavellan alive or bust for me.

[dragondreamer]

Solavellan alive or bust for me.

 

Yeah, I'm kinda partial to alive, whether they get back together or not.  I already lost my poor Hawke to giant demon spideryness. 

[SamanthaJ]

Oh my gosh. I love Patrick.