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[Patchwork]

I'd prefer they didn't die but I'd be okay with it if it works in the narrative. 

 

Them dying to prevent the world ending? Fine.

 

Dying because rocks fell and I didn't speak to that little boy in the place way back when? Not fine. 

[Rabbitonfire]

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[Rabbitonfire]

Yeah, I'm kinda partial to alive, whether they get back together or not.  I already lost my poor Hawke to giant demon spideryness. 

I would find it bittersweet if they died together. At least he won't die alone.

[Cheerios789]

@Madrar

 

First of all, I love you.  Even if I do not always agree with you.  I love you.  I spend a disproportionate amount of time speculating about the universe.

 

Now down to business.

 

I really like your theory of Elgar'nan and the Sun and his birth.  It's properly mythological and ties into the lore.

 

However, I think it is too grand.  I think we are in danger of thinking the gods were actually gods.  I firmly believe, and will continue to do so, that the gods were some form of powerful leader (spirit/elf/whatever).  There are so many myths and legends in the DA world about powerful figures shaping the world (whether physically or spiritually) that I cannot discredit them.  I think the most telling example is the dwarves and their paragons (the super awesome ones like Caridin or Fairel).  They readily admit that there are very powerful dwarves and they worship them in their own way. 

 

There is just something so painfully "mortal" about all of the elvhen gods we have seen.  The only thing that sets them apart from us (the quizzy) is their apparent immortality, their knowledge, and their power levels (and I'm not sure about that last one).  The entire Pantheon seems to make very human mistakes.  Andruil and her rage.  Solas and his falling in love/eluvian debacle.  Dirthamen and his jealousy. 

 

I don't know.  I just don't think the gods are the product of otherworldliness.  I think the veil of myth and time has been drawn over their lives and it's difficult to see what they truly were. 

[dragondreamer]

I would find it bittersweet if they died together. At least he won't die alone.

 

Perhaps, but sometimes it's far more interesting to see what happens when people live.

 

But one scenario I can think of only results in Lavellan dying.  Solas needs his true power back?  What's left of his orb's power is stuck in Lavellan's hand.  And supposedly that can't be removed while she's alive. 

[Bluwthe]

I shared a theory on reddit that perhaps the dragon gods the Tevinter Imperium worshiped were actually servants of the elvhen pantheon? It's kind of simplistic an idea, but I got it after reading that morrigan can become a dragon if bound to mythal through the pond. Maybe certain followers were children of the pantheon, bound themselves by becoming some of the first followers of the pantheon and were locked away somehow (maybe fen'harel?). 

[Shari'El]

It actually isn't a foot, it's a dragon.  It may have intentionally been made to look like a foot, though.  The "ankle"/"leg" is the dragon's wing.  The "toes" are its head.

 

And to me, the other large creature looks more dragony than wolfish.  I interpret it to be the Inquisitor's dragon slaying Corypheus's dragon.  But, it could also be God-Fen'harel doing the same.

 

The Inquisitor's dragon didn't slay the other dragon. Although the figure on the does seem dragonish I feel it is some sort of a wolf - but not like the other wolf, this one's fiercer. I'm pretty certain it is a beast because it has paws instead of claws, has no long horns (they look like ears to me) and his entire body structure suits a beast better instead of a lizzard. Also, since this is a sketch I find it likely that he planned to add details afterwards, like fur. It could be any other beast but I think that the symbolism requires it to be a wolf. The other wolves have similarly shaped ears as well as that curl beneath the chin, on the other hand the beast in the mural has a different texture on his belly, which is a point for consideration.

 

Although what I think to be a foot could be a dragon it still fits (just not with the interpretation of 'shoot one's foot). Solas drew this before the battle (he didn't return just to draw this) - I feel like he couldn't have predicted the battle's results, I don't think he certain enough we could defeat the dragon that he'd start working on the victory mural. And if this is a victory mural it is kind of lame, why not Corypheous being brought down by the Inquisition or something of the sort?

 

Also kind of makes you wonder why a sword, a beast can't handle a sword XD (I'm trying to understand if it's because it was hard to create a understandable drawing in which the beast bites the dragon/foot/whatever).

If I stare at this long enough the wolf looks concerned/sad, it's confusing me.

 

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Ugh I'm staring at this thing and the more I think about it, it looks like they've hidden shapes on purpose, so we could interpret it in several way. This is an evil plan to get us all confused.

 

I must say however, Solas is a terrific artist. The murals are beautiful.

[kalasaurus]

Perhaps, but sometimes it's far more interesting to see what happens when people live.

 

But one scenario I can think of only results in Lavellan dying.  Solas needs his true power back?  What's left of his orb's power is stuck in Lavellan's hand.  And supposedly that can't be removed while she's alive. 

 

Maybe he can at least wait until she dies from old age?  It's not like it will be all that long for him.

[Shari'El]

But what is an awakening style expansion?  It came on a separate disc and was separate from the main game with its own import from DAO iirc.  I think that what we get will be part of the main game, and trigger with a post epilogue save, but I'm not technically minded so I don't know how plausible that is and whether a large expansion like DLC could be added that way.  I think I read somewhere that Cassandra stays even if she's Divine, and I don't think they will particularly be catering for players who have lost their companions its not that easy to ****** them off is it?   A new protag to deal with Solas/Mythal would be awful and I'm not sure I'd want to play it.

 

Same, it makes me really sad to even consider that.

[Bluwthe]

The Inquisitor's dragon didn't slay the other dragon. Although the figure on the does seem dragonish I feel it is some sort of a wolf - but not like the other wolf, this one's fiercer. I'm pretty certain it is a beast because it has paws instead of claws, has no long horns (they look like ears to me) and his entire body structure suits a beast better instead of a lizzard. Also, since this is a sketch I find it likely that he planned to add details afterwards, like fur. It could be any other beast but I think that the symbolism requires it to be a wolf. The other wolves have similarly shaped ears as well as that curl beneath the chin, on the other hand the beast in the mural has a different texture on his belly, which is a point for consideration.

 

Although what I think to be a foot could be a dragon it still fits (just not with the interpretation of 'shoot one's foot). Solas drew this before the battle (he didn't return just to draw this) - I feel like he couldn't have predicted the battle's results, I don't think he certain enough we could defeat the dragon that he'd start working on the victory mural. And if this is a victory mural it is kind of lame, why not Corypheous being brought down by the Inquisition or something of the sort?

 

Also kind of makes you wonder why a sword, a beast can't handle a sword XD (I'm trying to understand if it's because it was hard to create a understandable drawing in which the beast bites the dragon/foot/whatever).

If I stare at this long enough the wolf looks concerned/sad, it's confusing me.

 

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Ugh I'm staring at this thing and the more I think about it, it looks like they've hidden shapes on purpose, so we could interpret it in several way. This is an evil plan to get us all confused.

 

I must say however, Solas is a terrific artist. The murals are beautiful.

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Perhaps it is the depiction of Mythals death and his mourning of it? Standing over her looking in sadness at the loss of someone he cared for/was working with? It would be relevant to the ending scene with him and Flemythal

[Spooky81]

I knew there was ALOT more to Solas than what he was letting on from the first few hours of interacting with him.  They were things about him too good to be true.

[Sable Rhapsody]

So I know people don't generally like Solas being too aggressive. But I still thought it was awesome. Kinda what I'd imagine him being before him believing slavery was wrong.

 

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http://archiveofouro...g/works/2805743

 

...wow.  I'll just...I don't even have words.  I'll just be over here in the corner...rereading this.  

 

(As a side note, I'm definitely part of the contingent that thinks aggressive or dom!Solas is rather OOC.  But that's 100% fine; it's fanfiction after all.  Incredibly hot fanfiction.)

[Aviena]

Since we're indulging our mopey sides and speculating about Solas/Lavellan dying: what do you guys think the chances are that Solas is no longer immortal? Our (admittedly not always reliable) codices say that the elves lost their immortality by associating with the shemlen ("quicklings"). Solas has done a LOT of associating with shemlen, and he's in love with a short-lived elf. Not sure if it would be POSSIBLE for him to lose his immortality, given his nature...but this could be part of the reason his greatest fear is dying alone. 

[Shari'El]

I'm curious to see how people in other threads feel, but not quite curious enough to go ask. Is it only people who are invested in Solas that feel like a new game needs the Inquisitor? And how much would BW care? A lot of people thought/felt that Hawke would be/should be the protagonist for DA:I, and that didn't happen. I'm still a little undecided on how I feel about the way they integrated Hawke into the story, and the more I think about it the more I think it would be difficult to do something similar with the Inquisitor anyway. Quizzie doesn't have a set personality like Hawke did (in terms of red/blue/purple options), so how do the writers stay true to the many ways one can play them? Plus you have two different voice actors, so even if they could solve the personality problem they need to record twice as many lines. And you have four possible racial origins so the writers would either have to account for those variations or write to avoid them completely and...just seems like a lot of work.

 

So I'm talking myself back onto Team Optimism, because Quizzie's story is definitely not finished like Hawke's and the Warden's were at the end of their games, and it doesn't seem to me like there's an easy way to incorporate Quizzie into future content. So...they're going somewhere, hopefully it's somewhere where Solas can follow >.>

 

I also think Quizzy's story is not finished, it's not only because of Solas but also because of the way it ended and the Quizzy's anchor. It's still there, it belongs to Solas, it may be a key.

If they make such an influential figure just disappear at DA4 i'd be upset, it's not like Hawke who is known mainly in Kirkwall, or the Warden who belongs to.. The Wardens, and is part of a big organization.

Quizzy is at the top of a very well known and influential organization - s/he is a familiar face across all of Thedas, the Divine is freakin' chosen from the Quizzy's ranks and the Quizzy has a say about that! The more I think about it the more I get frustrated with the idea that Quizzy will appear as a footnote in some codex. S/he could step down from being the Inquisitor but that'll really upset people, same for the concept that they'll just kill the Inquisitor. They did say that even though its' our own character they still care about the PCs, since they wrote them, so I hope they won't be asses about that

 

 

And gahhh, Solas! They need to meeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Both of my inquisitors are really confused, they need to know!

[Cheerios789]

Since we're indulging our mopey sides and speculating about Solas/Lavellan dying: what do you guys think the chances are that Solas is no longer immortal? Our (admittedly not always reliable) codices say that the elves lost their immortality by associating with the shemlen ("quicklings"). Solas has done a LOT of associating with shemlen, and he's in love with a short-lived elf. Not sure if it would be POSSIBLE for him to lose his immortality, given his nature...but this could be part of the reason his greatest fear is dying alone. 

 

I think the chances are fairly high and I think that was one of the things he was truly concerned about.  I like to think the "quickening" happens when an immortal becomes too tied down to reality.  That would bring them more into this world than the Beyond.  Kind of like with Cole and becoming human.  I think that's why he kept pushing away and I think that's why he completely cut off communication in the end.  He knows that he needs to be alone, because he is the one who will endure. 

 

It's terribly sad and tragic and THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING ME THINK OF THIS AGAIN.

 

I'm going to be over here ... crying into my bowl of mac n' cheese.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I think the chances are fairly high and I think that was one of the things he was truly concerned about.  I like to think the "quickening" happens when an immortal becomes too tied down to reality.  That would bring them more into this world than the Beyond.  Kind of like with Cole and becoming human.  I think that's why he kept pushing away and I think that's why he completely cut off communication in the end.  He knows that he needs to be alone, because he is the one who will endure. 

 

It's terribly sad and tragic and THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING ME THINK OF THIS AGAIN.

 

I'm going to be over here ... crying into my bowl of mac n' cheese.

 

In that case, I want him realize that one lifetime with Lavellan is worth more than an eternity of wallowing in his man angst.  Come on, Solas.  Do I have to bring the Beatles into this? 

 

[panamakira]

I had a thought about the Well of Sorrows and Solas' reluctance for the Inquisitor to drink from it. He definitely hates the idea of slavery, his party chat with Bull and Dorian are enough evidence of that but there's something else too - he doesn't know what the voices will reveal to the Inquisitor, his entire cover story could be blown and maybe drinking from the Well puts people under Mythal's protection as well as become her puppet.

So is there a possibility that Lavellan knows who he is by this point? I mean we know because of the extra scene at the end but if she drank from the Well, maybe she finds out eventually?

[Hattress]

Wait, wait, wait. Does anyone else find it curious that bioware made Solas a romance option at last minute? Makes me think the romanced inquisitor will have an impact on the next game and/or dlc. Like someone over there said "Wait, you know what would make that choice harder?"

And it becomes even more interesting considering that, romance Solas is the only way you explicitly get the true meaning of vallaslin as well as all those extra clues about what he is up to next.

[BubbleDncr]

So..I've kind of lost interest in my Trevalyn/Cullen romance playthrough. It just didn't end up being as interesting as my Lavellan/Solas one. Mostly just continuing to see how quickly I can kill all the dragons as a tempest DW rogue...

 

Made a new female dwarf, to romance Blackwall. Hopefully that one's more interesting?

 

If not I guess I'll revert to just making endless Lavellans. Sigh. I hope Solas hasn't ruined all future bioware romances for me...

[Hattress]

I would find it bittersweet if they died together. At least he won't die alone.

same here, they two dying together is fine for me, as long as they both acknowledge their love.

 

Ah, I definitely need some new games to clear Solas out of my mind 

[BubbleDncr]

same here, they two dying together is fine for me, as long as they both acknowledge their love.

 

Hell, I think I'm ok with either of them dying, so long as Solas tells Lavellan the ****** truth beforehand. 

[Hattress]

Hell, I think I'm ok with either of them dying, so long as Solas tells Lavellan the ****** truth beforehand. 

If so I rather my Lavellan die...would be cruel to Solas though. Well I think I'd just accept they die together as a happy ending.

 

BW Patrick Solas! what have you done to me!

[Aviena]

It's terribly sad and tragic and THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING ME THINK OF THIS AGAIN.

 

I'm going to be over here ... crying into my bowl of mac n' cheese.

 

I'm sorry. Really, I am. 

[Aetheria]

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Perhaps it is the depiction of Mythals death and his mourning of it? Standing over her looking in sadness at the loss of someone he cared for/was working with? It would be relevant to the ending scene with him and Flemythal

Seems plausible; it's the only thing I can think of that both a) fits the image and is something he might have planned beforehand (as opposed to beating Corypheus).

 

Weirdly, the unfinished mural kind of makes me more optimistic - like maybe it's a clue from the devs that there's more to come?

 

Since we're indulging our mopey sides and speculating about Solas/Lavellan dying: what do you guys think the chances are that Solas is no longer immortal? Our (admittedly not always reliable) codices say that the elves lost their immortality by associating with the shemlen ("quicklings"). Solas has done a LOT of associating with shemlen, and he's in love with a short-lived elf. Not sure if it would be POSSIBLE for him to lose his immortality, given his nature...but this could be part of the reason his greatest fear is dying alone. 

I'm inclined to think that the story of how the elves became mortal is another distortion of history, and either they weren't completely immortal to begin with or whatever caused their immortality got taken away - maybe some kind of connection to spirits/the Fade. Hmm, who might have been responsible for something like that?

[Brass_Buckles]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???