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[Shari'El]

Or, to continue that, he is no longer actually Solas but the vessel of, well, you know. Anything he had before is no longer relevant and will not be addressed outside of a single toneless comment. "You were the one he fancied for awhile. Most interesting."

 

In the end you will be able to save him, but to do so means sacrificing your entire party and letting a village be laid to waste. He will then resent you for that sacrifice on his behalf once he has returned to normal and it will cause a breakup. You will never see nor hear from him again. In fact, no one will even remember him at all.

 

Should you have let him sacrifice himself instead, he will again be Solas, and will visit you in your dreams... where his strength ends just short of being able to touch or hold you, so all you can do is reach for each other across the dreamscape and cry your unending love.

 

This is a better outcome than you forcibly sacrificing yourself, in which he goes mad, destroys half the continent, and eventually burns himself out in one last fiery torrent of death, your name the last echo heard in a shattered world.

 

I'm so sorry, everyone. I really do love you all.

 

This is horrible

I hate this so much

[SamanthaJ]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

If that's the case the Anchor could have done it.

 

That still leaves the question of why Solas leaves. Perhaps the mortality/immortality isn't a big part of the reason why he left?

[Aetheria]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

The Anchor, maybe? It seems to bestow some kind of connection to the Fade, and I think it's a pretty good guess that if immortality is in the mix, the Fade/spirits could have something to do with it.

 

We never really got an answer on how/why it came unstuck from the orb when the Inquisitor picked it up (why them and not Corypheus?) so perhaps it's a one-time thing that couldn't work on anyone else?

[Yaslana]

So, I just had a thought.
 
At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.
 
Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.
 
Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.
 
But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.
 
Lavellan became real.
 
Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.
 
I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.
 
And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

Yeah but if I remember right, this banter came up in my Trevelan PT... Maybe it has nothing to do with Quizzi?

[Tamyn]

I'll say this again, don't forget Patrick Weekes was the only writer who wanted an option to save Thane. They really need to listen to him more...

 

They also "forgot" Thane was even a love interest. The main reason I ditched that series. They didn't give a **** about me as a player after 2.

[Brass_Buckles]

The implications of my thought would be kind of staggering.  Even if Lavellan is still mortal, she might be whole in a way no one else is.

 

Seriously, it makes the most sense of any theory thus far, why Cole says "You became real," IF he is talking to Lavellan about how Solas views Lavellan.

Madrar's theory about meta-ness could also factor in, and yes, it could be the Anchor did it.  So... you could say Solas really completes her?  Or at least his power does...

 

Anyway!

 

It's still very unclear why he left, but if this theory is true, it has nothing to do with the mortal/immortal issue and that's quite surprising--I would have thought that had at least something to do with it.  But then again, banal nadas--she might still be mortal and he has no way to know if she is or isn't.

 

So there's a bigger reason he left, and we still don't really know what that reason is.

[Uirebhiril]

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

 

 How would this work in regards to non-elves, though? Does this mean we'd also potentially have an immortal human or dwarf, or would it be specific to elves because they used to be immortal anyway?

[Cheerios789]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

 

I have been firmly on the bandwagon that the Quizzy (any of 'em) are essentially gods by the end of the game since halfway through my first playthrough.

 

However, I don't think that means immortality necessarily.  Solas says that was simply state of being for the ancient elves and I think that there is something else that we are missing.  Though if anyone could figure it out and accomplish it, it would be the quizzy.  She's nigh invincible.  Re: demi-god status.

 

I think the "you're real and they could all be real" comment is Solas realizing that the quizzy is not simply a vessel with the mark and she is not simply a strong person, but she has that special something that the gods had.  I think it is definitely connected to the "spirit" comment that he made earlier.  Maybe he sealed the gods away for their own good and to see another fledgling demi-god person here throws off his theory.  Because everything he says makes you believe that the quizzy truly changed his mind and that terrifies him.  And I can only think of one thing that Fen'harel has done that he would question. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Yeah but if I remember right, this banter came up in my Trevelan PT... Maybe it has nothing to do with Quizzi?

 

It would still be relevant to Trevalyan, but I am pretty sure we're discussing a romance-only dialogue?   It's Cole's banter about the breakup.  Trevalyan should not have gotten that?

 

But it would be relevant to any other Inquisitor, other than possibly dwarves/qunari (uncertain, since qunari claim not to dream and dwarves don't dream), because it is equally true for them if they exist equally between the Fade and reality (or maybe even exist more firmly Somewhere Else).

[HurricaneGinger]

The Anchor, maybe? It seems to bestow some kind of connection to the Fade, and I think it's a pretty good guess that if immortality is in the mix, the Fade/spirits could have something to do with it.

 

We never really got an answer on how/why it came unstuck from the orb when the Inquisitor picked it up (why them and not Corypheus?) so perhaps it's a one-time thing that couldn't work on anyone else?

 

I read on the wiki that Uthinera is not only a way to make way for the young, but for the elders to gain knowledge of the Fade and bring it back. So, I believe the elves had a deep connection to the Fade, and the foci is that connection. Foci sounds like focus. At the peak of its power, the Inquisitor got to it, and that connection is now within them. That connection is apparently stronger than average - even more so for a mage, and since Sandal has said "everyone will be as they once were" or something like that...the Inquisitor may be the very first to be made "whole" once again; someone irrevocably connected to the Fade. They can open it, they can close it at whim. 

[Brass_Buckles]

I have been firmly on the bandwagon that the Quizzy (any of 'em) are essentially gods by the end of the game since halfway through my first playthrough.

 

However, I don't think that means immortality necessarily.  Solas says that was simply state of being for the ancient elves and I think that there is something else that we are missing.  Though if anyone could figure it out and accomplish it, it would be the quizzy.  She's nigh invincible.  Re: demi-god status.

 

I think the "you're real and they could all be real" comment is Solas realizing that the quizzy is not simply a vessel with the mark and she is not simply a strong person, but she has that special something that the gods had.  I think it is definitely connected to the "spirit" comment that he made earlier.  Maybe he sealed the gods away for their own good and to see another fledgling demi-god person here throws off his theory.  Because everything he says makes you believe that the quizzy truly changed his mind and that terrifies him.  And I can only think of one thing that Fen'harel has done that he would question. 

 

It could mean that, sure, but with all the dialogue about how Solas is real on both sides of reality (Veil and real-world) and Cole seems to think that the Inquisitor is much the same, but actually brighter in the Fade, and even beyond that...

 

I think he might mean it quite literally.  The others are literally not as real to Solas, because they don't exist in as many dimensions as the Inquisitor.  The Inquisitor became real.  If the Inquisitor did, anyone could.  And if anyone could, well that could change everything, but it can't because he has other plans. So he has to ignore the implications.

 

Edited to add:  And imagine how sad it would be to wake up to a world where people aren't whole anymore, and you can't tell them, because they wouldn't understand.  They are missing fundamental parts of themselves.  It's like suddenly waking up to find that everyone is two-dimensional but you are three-dimensional.  They can't tell the difference, but you can, and you miss them being three-dimensional.

 

Edited again:  So I think Solas's plan might be to bring back the three-dimensional people to a two-dimensional world.  It may mean he has to wipe out the 2-D people to do it, which is why he can't stick around with 3-D Lavellan, even knowing that because of her it's possible others could also gain a third dimension.  His plan is already in motion and he can't change it now.

 

... makes him sound really terrible...

[Blue Gloves]

Hell, I think I'm ok with either of them dying, so long as Solas tells Lavellan the ****** truth beforehand. 

My own nutball theory to add to the mix: I think- and I hesitate to say this, because, oh, the feels- but I think that our Quizzies are going to have a "new" danger to face in the next (or possibly final for DAI) installment.  Something is going to happen, and the Inquisition is going to find out that some monster is attempting to tear down the veil.  The Inquisition will charge out to defeat the "bad" guy, and... well.  If this is the scenario, we all know who the bad guy will be.  I think that the Inquisitor will then have to make a choice, either let Fen'Harel remake the world in attempt to save it (again), or try and stop him.  Notice I said "try", because either decision will lead to Quizzie's non-involvement in future games.  If the Inquisitor tries to stop Fen'Harel, he kills him/her and goes ahead with his plans to remake the world.  Boom, we have the DLC plot device which clears the way for a new protag in DA4.  If Quizzie chooses to side w/ the Dread Wolf, she will obviously be working against the ideals of the Inquisition and will leave to help Solas/fade into obscurity/whatever.  Again- the way is cleared for a new protagonist in DA4.  I haven't had time to read all the theories, or even most of them on this thread, but this was my immediate impression after finishing DAI.  I also think this is part of the reason the devs made Solas a romance at the last minute.  How much more impactful and heartwrenching will that choice be for a Lavellan, especially one who fell in love with the Dread Wolf?  Bioware is good at forcing us into choices that hurt, but don't significantly impact the overall story they are trying to tell, and I feel like this is one of them. 

[sunhair]

So I know people don't generally like Solas being too aggressive. But I still thought it was awesome. Kinda what I'd imagine him being before him believing slavery was wrong.

 

NSFW
http://archiveofouro...g/works/2805743

Bloody Hell Damn

[dragondreamer]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

 

That's an interesting thought...  But I don't think Solas left because of what Lavellan is or isn't.  He seems to have decided that he can't factor in Lavellan, because he's still set on whatever his plans are.  Kinda related, but I was thinking before that elven immortality, if that has anything to do with what he's trying to restore, may be connected to the ancient elves' connection to their respective gods.  Maybe being bound, like the situation with the well, both effectively enslaved each elf to the will of their god, which also resulted in immortality.  If the Creators had some powerful spirit connection to the Fade, the elves may have been kinda networked together.  When the gods were sealed away, that ended elven immortality.  It didn't effect Solas because he had his own power (until it weakened over time), and Mythal's guys were still around because so was she.  Perhaps Felassan was a stray follower of Mythal.  I have doubts about this particular scenario, because Solas says immortality was simply an inherent thing to being an elf, but it's something I've wondered about when considering why Solas might think it was a good idea to free the gods he imprisoned to begin with.  Then again, elven immortality might not be the real priority for whatever he's trying to do, even if it might be involved. 

[Cheerios789]

It could mean that, sure, but with all the dialogue about how Solas is real on both sides of reality (Veil and real-world) and Cole seems to think that the Inquisitor is much the same, but actually brighter in the Fade, and even beyond that...

 

I think he might mean it quite literally.  The others are literally not as real to Solas, because they don't exist in as many dimensions as the Inquisitor.  The Inquisitor became real.  If the Inquisitor did, anyone could.  And if anyone could, well that could change everything, but it can't because he has other plans. So he has to ignore the implications.

 

Edited to add:  And imagine how sad it would be to wake up to a world where people aren't whole anymore, and you can't tell them, because they wouldn't understand.  They are missing fundamental parts of themselves.  It's like suddenly waking up to find that everyone is two-dimensional but you are three-dimensional.  They can't tell the difference, but you can, and you miss them being three-dimensional.

 

Edited again:  So I think Solas's plan might be to bring back the three-dimensional people to a two-dimensional world.  It may mean he has to wipe out the 2-D people to do it, which is why he can't stick around with 3-D Lavellan, even knowing that because of her it's possible others could also gain a third dimension.  His plan is already in motion and he can't change it now.

 

... makes him sound really terrible...

 

I actually agree with you.  There is mounting evidence that the quizzy has something "extra" to them.  I'm just not sure if that is immortality.  Mostly because no one will explain to us what the elven immortality was (I'm looking at you, Solas.  I know you know.)

 

However, could anyone become like the quizzy?  I don't know, that isn't answered.  Why exactly is the quizzy so awesome?  Is it the anchor?  Or is it something else that transpired the first time she entered the Fade?  I'm inclined to believe that the anchor was the catalyst to her change, but not the change itself.  I think the anchor threw the quizzy into the Fade and whatever actions she took within made her "complete".

 

I think you're right though.  Solas is terrified because he is about to bring this world to ruin so that he can make everyone "complete" again.  I don't know if that will kill everyone, but the consequences will be staggering.  I think if he had not met the quizzy and realized that the people here possess the ability to be "complete" then he would not have set himself on this path.  Btw I'm speaking in broad strokes about every quizzy including the ones he hates.

[Shari'El]

Nah, it would of came together better if they made Varric a choice if it was for sh*** and giggles.

 

I would've like that sh*** and giggles... Would've.

Now I can't really romance anyone but Solas :|

[Kittn]

Or, to continue that, he is no longer actually Solas but the vessel of, well, you know. Anything he had before is no longer relevant and will not be addressed outside of a single toneless comment. "You were the one he fancied for awhile. Most interesting."
 
In the end you will be able to save him, but to do so means sacrificing your entire party and letting a village be laid to waste. He will then resent you for that sacrifice on his behalf once he has returned to normal and it will cause a breakup. You will never see nor hear from him again. In fact, no one will even remember him at all.
 
Should you have let him sacrifice himself instead, he will again be Solas, and will visit you in your dreams... where his strength ends just short of being able to touch or hold you, so all you can do is reach for each other across the dreamscape and cry your unending love.
 
This is a better outcome than you forcibly sacrificing yourself, in which he goes mad, destroys half the continent, and eventually burns himself out in one last fiery torrent of death, your name the last echo heard in a shattered world.
 
I'm so sorry, everyone. I really do love you all.

 
This would be quite a predicament for me. Don't tempt them! I'm the girl who sacrificed hundreds of people for her doggie in Fable 2. So, If faced with the choice to save Solas but potentially obliterate an entire village? My very first reaction will certainly be, "I'll risk it like a biscuit."
 
I'm really not a terrible person.
 
But then to do that and have him walk away forever? Or to have to watch him die for a fade-based "happy ending". That's not happy at all! I'd rather everyone else die! Not Solas! Hmph! I mean, come on, what's a paltry little village or two when true love is at stake?
 
Still not a terrible person. I swear!
 
Really though, it's my fear that all we have to look forward to is the single emotionless comment, and that's more heartbreaking than all of the other possibilities combined. Even if we do get to play our Quizzies again and Solas is a central presence in the next game, how can we realistically expect otherwise for a single relationship path out of a dozen options?

Or maybe that is exactly why we can expect more? Because only one path can lead to where we are? Hmm~

Blat. How did that tiny spark of hope get there? Must hide it before Bioware sees.

[Shari'El]

Solas Conversation- http://youtu.be/ipAuZZTaeX8

 

It's unavailable to me

I want to see that videoooo

[Cheerios789]

I would've like that sh*** and giggles... Would've.

Now I can't really romance anyone but Solas :|

 

*sigh*  Varric, if anyone could have wrenched my heart from the grasp of a god ... it would have been you.  It would have been you ...

 

Speaking of which, I would really like to branch out a bit and romance others.  Would you guys recommend a Dorian break or an Iron Bull one?  I don't really want romance spoilers just a nudge in the right direction.

[Renmiri1]

So, I just had a thought.

 

At first I thought the theory that Solas has to isolate himself because he needs to retain immortality Because Reasons (my guess:  long-term plans that he can't just drop, and needs to be immortal to see through) sounded pretty valid.

 

Then I was thinking about that, and Cole's "you became real" comment.

 

Abelas does not seem to fear quickening, though he doesn't want anything to do with shemlen.  Maybe that's the reason, or maybe it's something else.

 

But, Lavellan "became real."  And that means anyone could.

 

Lavellan became real.

 

Lavellan might already be immortal.  She exists equally in the Fade and reality.  Her existence "elsewhere" is more than reality.

 

I don't know how or why, but it is entirely possible that is what "you became real" means.  She's whole, complete, in a way the other elves no longer are, and this despite being surrounded by shemlen.  Maybe she's still mortal, but she's WHOLE.

 

And if that's true, then the mortality/immortality thing probably isn't an issue, and yet Solas still leaves... why???

Kieran and his old god buddy tell Lavellan her blood is very old

[Renmiri1]

BTW, tons of screenies at mah tumblr, including this one

 

 

 

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...nd-loving-solas

 

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...7650/sexy-solas

[Renmiri1]

And this one

 

[Shari'El]

http://braingremlin....st/104824633620

And another comic:

Spoiler

http://inquisitordor...3/fuck-you-guys

http://inquisitordor...3/fuck-you-guys

 

I died out of laughter XD

[CapricornSun]

My own nutball theory to add to the mix: I think- and I hesitate to say this, because, oh, the feels- but I think that our Quizzies are going to have a "new" danger to face in the next (or possibly final for DAI) installment.  Something is going to happen, and the Inquisition is going to find out that some monster is attempting to tear down the veil.  The Inquisition will charge out to defeat the "bad" guy, and... well.  If this is the scenario, we all know who the bad guy will be.  I think that the Inquisitor will then have to make a choice, either let Fen'Harel remake the world in attempt to save it (again), or try and stop him.  Notice I said "try", because either decision will lead to Quizzie's non-involvement in future games.  If the Inquisitor tries to stop Fen'Harel, he kills him/her and goes ahead with his plans to remake the world.  Boom, we have the DLC plot device which clears the way for a new protag in DA4.  If Quizzie chooses to side w/ the Dread Wolf, she will obviously be working against the ideals of the Inquisition and will leave to help Solas/fade into obscurity/whatever.  Again- the way is cleared for a new protagonist in DA4.  I haven't had time to read all the theories, or even most of them on this thread, but this was my immediate impression after finishing DAI.  I also think this is part of the reason the devs made Solas a romance at the last minute.  How much more impactful and heartwrenching will that choice be for a Lavellan, especially one who fell in love with the Dread Wolf?  Bioware is good at forcing us into choices that hurt, but don't significantly impact the overall story they are trying to tell, and I feel like this is one of them. 

 

You know what what would make it even more worse? When/If you get the choice to side with the Dread Wolf, you'd have to kill your companions, who are all trying to stop you from helping him, as a consequence... 

 

I think I'll go lie down and cry now...

[Yaslana]

*sigh*  Varric, if anyone could have wrenched my heart from the grasp of a god ... it would have been you.  It would have been you ...
 
Speaking of which, I would really like to branch out a bit and romance others.  Would you guys recommend a Dorian break or an Iron Bull one?  I don't really want romance spoilers just a nudge in the right direction.

I did Bull in my first PT and was pretty happy with him as LI. He is a great guy, its funny and has a few really sweet moments.

I dont know if you already know about the nature of their relationship...

Spoiler

But if you are okay with very respectful and well written d/s romance go for him! (unlike most fanfiction... Many of the bdsm fc and published books I've read were not so... Good...)