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[Addai]

Unforeseen consequences are a possibility too. Will it really be that easy to just remove the Veil and merge what has evolved into two worlds without anything getting broken? It seems like there's a lot of potential not just for people to riot (because everyone's been taught forever that the Veil being removed would be the worst and that would probably mess with the spirits big time) but for things to not fit quite like they did before the Veil existed. Whatever happens, Solas will be at least partially responsible.
 
Morrigan says change is coming too. Tearing down the Veil may only be one part of that change. Or we could be wrong about the possibility of it happening and the change is something else entirely.

That would be trading the problems of one type of world for another, but not necessarily making the world worse as people here seem to assume. It's already pretty bad. It got bad in the past, too, without the Veil, so Solas' answer isn't necessarily an answer. The whole thing makes me think of his conversation with IB about a Qunari invasion. IB probably thinks Orlais and Ferelden would be better off under the Qun, even though it would take a bloody war to accomplish it (he never really lets Solas pin him down about whether he wants to see it happen). Solas seems to understand there that you'd just be trading one set of problems for another. Possibly he'd be willing to see the Veil sundering in the same light.

All the hints about the change do seem to point to a merging of the Fade with the physical world.

I guess if I picture the bittersweet ending of Solavellan, it would be that you persuade Solas to leave the world intact which requires him to continue his lonely vigil over the old gods, and at that point Lavellan can decide to join him in it or not. It's pretty much Witch Hunt, which maybe means it would seem repetitive so they wouldn't do it that way, but it would be a satisfying conclusion for me and allow Solas to come back in future games like Morrigan did. Since the vigil makes me think of the Crossroads, my theme song for this theoretical ending is Where the Streets Have No Name.

[Wheels]

Random stuff incoming! I entered the Fade last night...

 

Yeah, I mean, I had a dream last night about a modern day Inquisition. Like, the inquisition was a group that tried to fight strange occurrences all over the world in today's time.

 

Cassandra was a very trigger happy badass, Varric was all about codes and decryption, Sera wore the most absurd earrings and had a pierced nose. Cole was a medium, Vivi was a very grumpy towering dude (?), and so on.

 

For some reason, my brain made all the elven stuff into japanese stuff, meaning that the old elves were a top secret japanese cult that experimented with weird supernatural sh*t. Solas was some japanese guy in a lab coat and drove everybody mad with his "magic tricks" and wouldn't shut up about how fascinating this and that was.

 

Then I was killed by a random demon in a side street.

 

It was the most amazing dream, I tell you! 

[scintilla]

That would be trading the problems of one type of world for another, but not necessarily making the world worse as people here seem to assume. It's already pretty bad. It got bad in the past, too, without the Veil, so Solas' answer isn't necessarily an answer. The whole thing makes me think of his conversation with IB about a Qunari invasion. IB probably thinks Orlais and Ferelden would be better off under the Qun, even though it would take a bloody war to accomplish it (he never really lets Solas pin him down about whether he wants to see it happen). Solas seems to understand there that you'd just be trading one set of problems for another. Possibly he'd be willing to see the Veil sundering in the same light.

All the hints about the change do seem to point to a merging of the Fade with the physical world.

I guess if I picture the bittersweet ending of Solavellan, it would be that you persuade Solas to leave the world intact which requires him to continue his lonely vigil over the old gods, and at that point Lavellan can decide to join him in it or not. It's pretty much Witch Hunt, which maybe means it would seem repetitive so they wouldn't do it that way, but it would be a satisfying conclusion for me and allow Solas to come back in future games like Morrigan did. Since the vigil makes me think of the Crossroads, my theme song for this theoretical ending is Where the Streets Have No Name.

 

Yeah, I honestly think it's more trading one set of problems for another than Solas is just going to utterly break the world (although not ruling that out either). I don't think Solas would have a problem doing that, provided there was a benefit he wanted out of tearing down the Veil, but I don't think things are going to go exactly as planned for him either. I guess the question is, is Solas, is the world, prepared to deal with the new problems? The answer is almost certainly no.

 

There are hints that that's what's going to happen, yeah. But nothing solid enough to say "yes, this is definitely going to happen." Especially since BioWare may not want to actually deal with the fallout of such a big change and may reserve that (or any other plans on that scale) for the end of the series. We've been told "change is coming" since DLC of Origins and we're now two games and some DLC past that and it hasn't happened yet.

[Felya87]

Yum!

Spoiler

 

Sigh. Why can't we put on these instead of the dead mouse PJ?

[Cheerios789]

That would be trading the problems of one type of world for another, but not necessarily making the world worse as people here seem to assume. It's already pretty bad. It got bad in the past, too, without the Veil, so Solas' answer isn't necessarily an answer. The whole thing makes me think of his conversation with IB about a Qunari invasion. IB probably thinks Orlais and Ferelden would be better off under the Qun, even though it would take a bloody war to accomplish it (he never really lets Solas pin him down about whether he wants to see it happen). Solas seems to understand there that you'd just be trading one set of problems for another. Possibly he'd be willing to see the Veil sundering in the same light.

All the hints about the change do seem to point to a merging of the Fade with the physical world.

I guess if I picture the bittersweet ending of Solavellan, it would be that you persuade Solas to leave the world intact which requires him to continue his lonely vigil over the old gods, and at that point Lavellan can decide to join him in it or not. It's pretty much Witch Hunt, which maybe means it would seem repetitive so they wouldn't do it that way, but it would be a satisfying conclusion for me and allow Solas to come back in future games like Morrigan did. Since the vigil makes me think of the Crossroads, my theme song for this theoretical ending is Where the Streets Have No Name.

 

Yes, it does seem that the Veil will be coming down.  However, that is an excellent point about Solas and his conversation with Bull.  He isn't purposefully hypocritical typically.  Usually when he harps on others it's because he is trying to teach them something, possibly something he messed up and learned a long time ago.  So I can't imagine him forcing the world to accept a Veilless without some reason.  Maybe the Veil is failing anyways.  It definitely feels that way the entire game and those tears don't vanish simply because Corypenis is gone. 

 

I don't know.

 

I just can't seem to find Solas evil or purposefully conniving.  He's won my trust with stories and lies.  I feel like I'm going to eat these words later.  Oh well.

 

On topic of a potential Solas boss fight... I would stand there and let him kill me.  And then cry as I read the 'Your journey ends here' screen. 

 

"You failed in preventing your god-king lover from shredding the veil and releasing the elven pantheon.  Thousands of human mothers curse your name as they watch their elven overlords hunt their children.  The world weeps and falls to ashes."

 

I swear to the creators, Bioware, don't make me make this choice!

[wildannie]

I think that what Solas intends is Sandal's prophecy, and it will make elves immortal once more,  I'm not sure how it will affect he other races though.  However, I think the cost is that this can't be done without releasing the other 'gods' which could, and probably will cause all kinds of chaos like before.  But I think that Solas considers that it is a change that has to be made as the current world is worse than the one that was there before he 'fixed' things.  In that scenario, if it were up to me, I'd bring down the veil and restore what was lost... does that make me evil ?

 

All I want from a Solas DLC is a variety of endings, happy to tragic, based upon choices.  If they are going to go that way I do think that drinking from the Well of Sorrows (or not) will have an impact on what resolutions are available.

 

I was also made actually depressed by ME3, not just the endings, the whole thing.   I didn't enjoy trying to roleplay a bereaved Shepard one little bit but I also thought the game was an insulting end to the trilogy in a myriad of different ways (Tuchanka was the only place where I saw any of the ME magic).

[arelenriel]

I think you might be mistaking what we think our characters would presume for what we, actually speculate about ourselves.  Personally, I think that the restoration of the world would be far less traumatic than the build-up, but people are people, and as Flemeth said, people fear change.  I 100% believe that my Lavellan, especially after just having spent all this time repairing damage caused by a mere breach, would freak the hell out if she determined that someone was trying to do away with the veil entirely- and I'm more than certain that the vast majority of Thedosians would be willing to shed any amount of blood in order to stop someone from trying to tear down the veil.

Yes but even decisions you make yourself such as making Gaspard Briala's puppet or making Leliana the next Divine can do that since with a Briala/Leliana combination in Orlais both elves and mages end up with the same civil and legal rights as every other citizen of Southern Thedas .. which the human non-mages clearly throw fits about. Same with Vivienne as Divine because she puts everything back the way it was in the Chantry including the Mages Circles and lyrium addicted Templars. There isn't an easy way out or a good ending even if Solas is not the next big bad .. and I think there would be a significant difference between you know removing the veil by tearing giant holes in the sky forcing fade spirits to become demons, and taking it down properly so that the spirits remained true to themselves... Both Sola's Wisdom friend and Cole choose to make themselves seen or unseen I would suspect most people would not know it was gone except for the fact that all the people who by their very nature were meant to have magic - would ..- the purpose of the Inquisition even the original one was to minimize the effects on the average person- not to prevent change from happening and given how elves, mages, qunari, dwarves, poor people, and well pretty much anyone in Thedas that isn't a noble is treated (all you have to do is look at the effects of the Orlesian Civil War to see that -- both Celene and Gaspard arguing over who would do a better job- destroying thousands of acres of farmland, villages, and killing innocent citizens in the process proving neither is fit to rule) like utter #$%*...things need to change in Thedas and I think even if it caused initial chaos if it made things right again my Quizzy would support Fen'Harel .. . After all things are already in chaos it can't really get that much worse.

 

And after all the Quizzy seems to have little trouble dealing with the fallout of making Briala the true "Empress" with Gaspard as her puppet, siding with the mages, or with making Leliana Divine, in fact she remains friends/allies with all of them. I think if you Quizzy was played out as a Templar supporting, Circle supporting, good little Andrastian (about as far from Dalish Quizzy as you can get) and you and Solas hated each other sure you would oppose him-- but a Dalish Quizzy whose people only stand to gain by regaining their magic and immortality and finding out the truth about the past of Arlathan and the Dales-- probably would not oppose him. Even if he is Fen'Harel after all he is still one of the Creators and your people stand to benefit from it.

 

I think the next big bad is going to come from elsewhere-- for one thing - seven magisters went into the Golden City.. 6 came out because they allegedly ate one ....we have dealt with Corphyeus-- the Architect was also potentially one of them who had forgotten who he was-- that still leaves 4 each with potentially different powers and ability to wreak chaos .. .Not to mention 2 more Blights, etc, oh yeah wait the Tevinter Imperium, Qunari .. plenty of threats out there to explore without turning Solas into one

[kalasaurus]

Sigh. Why can't we put on these instead of the dead mouse PJ?

 

I want to wear this dress to an Orlesian ball (maybe without the wings ), but I know it's too much to ask.

 

 

On topic of a potential Solas boss fight... I would stand there and let him kill me.  And then cry as I read the 'Your journey ends here' screen. 

 

"You failed in preventing your god-king lover from shredding the veil and releasing the elven pantheon.  Thousands of human mothers curse your name as they watch their elven overlords hunt their children.  The world weeps and falls to ashes."

 

I swear to the creators, Bioware, don't make me make this choice!

 

If we're forced to fight him, at least give me a choice on the dialogue wheel: [Refuse to fight: you will die], because I have no desire to fight Solas

[Felya87]

I want to wear this dress to an Orlesian ball (maybe without the wings ), but I know it's too much to ask.

 

*snip*

 

My problem is not the ball. I like not having to wear a dress. (I hate dresses with a passion from age six)

But the bland Skyhold robe without texture is terrible. Even if coloured, is quite indecent, and is horrible on both male and female elves. (and is not so good on lady Qunari too) It put in even more evidence how wrong or cringe worty are certain body models.

Male Elf is an anorexic twelve years old, and the female is not much better. All those buttons make her look like a snake, execially while running.

 

is really sad that with so much personalization we have on our character (hairsyles a part, that are sad to say the least) the crafting, and the fortress, we can't change clothes.

[SamanthaJ]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

[Addai]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

LOL Cullen's is best.

[Shari'El]

Since I'm unable to finish Lavellan's PT I decided to start a new one, with an evil female human mage who makes everybody hate her + makes Solas her slave elf and makes him pick up all of the herbs and stuff.

So far... Not so good, it was even hard for me not to ask him questions, he is so cute in the prologue :|

 

Edit: though I must say, it's really nice looking at Solas' back all of the time.

I'm amused each character runs a bit differently and moves differently

[Cheerios789]

/snip

 

I think the next big bad is going to come from elsewhere-- for one thing - seven magisters went into the Golden City.. 6 came out because they allegedly ate one ....we have dealt with Corphyeus-- the Architect was also potentially one of them who had forgotten who he was-- that still leaves 4 each with potentially different powers and ability to wreak chaos .. .Not to mention 2 more Blights, etc, oh yeah wait the Tevinter Imperium, Qunari .. plenty of threats out there to explore without turning Solas into one

 

I personally would love if the next "big bad" was a depersonalized "the fabric of reality is falling apart ... go fix it."  I mean Tevinter can still make a stink and so can other minor baddies, but I would love to try and solve a complex magical problem.  Preferably with Dagna tagging along and being adorably brilliant. 

 

Dammit who am I kidding ... I want to do this with Dagna and Solas. 

 

But seriously I would love to try and fix Thedas this time.  We keep being thrust into situations where we have to put Thedas on hold while we slaughter an evil protagonist.  Next time, or DLC, I would like to solve something. 

[herkles]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

LMAO

 

anyways does anyone know if it is possible to get the Emerald Knight Banner In game, same thing with the keeper robe schematic?

[Cheerios789]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

 

Sweet Andraste, Cullen's is perfect.  I never understood what people saw in him, but good lord I love his banter.  He's like the only sane and grounded person in Thedas.  I love when there is a War Table mission and under Cullen's option is something like, "Really?  Is this what we're doing now?  Must I remind you that we are the Inquisition?"

[Ajna]

Since I'm unable to finish Lavellan's PT I decided to start a new one, with an evil female human mage who makes everybody hate her + makes Solas her slave elf and makes him pick up all of the herbs and stuff.
So far... Not so good, it was even hard for me not to ask him questions, he is so cute in the prologue :|

I finally got around to making a human, then 5 mins later I said to her "I'm sorry, I'm just not feeling it, it's not you, it's me...or maybe it is you, I just don't know anymore"....and then I made another Lavellan...

[Adynata]

I saw this on http://ar-lath-ma-vhenan.tumblr.com/...does anyone know how/when you get this convo from Cullen? I know it doesn't happen when you try starting a romance with him while in one with Solas, so I don't know when it's said.

 

 

 

And you all are starting to make me worry that there will be a Solas boss fight in the DLC. I hope that is not true. It will be like Anders all over again (except Anders didn't even put up a fight).

[dragondreamer]

I kinda want to see the Solas wolfy dragon.  But maybe you don't have to fight him, maybe you end up having to fight the other elven gods to save him.

 

I'm not sure how Quizzy will handle that though, but hey, they've been sleeping a long time too, they might not be at full power anymore either.

[Avejajed]

Morning guys! Did I miss anything good this weekend? I see some of you have taken it upon yourselves to depress the whole lot of us with horrid, horrible images.

 

Meanieheads.

[CapricornSun]

I saw this on http://ar-lath-ma-vhenan.tumblr.com/...does anyone know how/when you get this convo from Cullen? I know it doesn't happen when you try starting a romance with him while in one with Solas, so I don't know when it's said.

 

 

 

I did this in my playthrough and he does say this when you choose the flirt option during the chess game when you are in a romance with Solas. 

[Avejajed]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

 

OMG STEN. omg.

[Sylvanfeather]

I've seen Weekes do this in is own novels, he can do it!  Anybody else read The Prophecy Con?

 

I haven't read it yet, but now it's going on my reading list for the holiday break!

[Ajna]

I haven't read it yet, but now it's going on my reading list for the holiday break!

It's the second one in the series, but they're very Weekes in their humour. I'd recommend them for anyone who enjoy's the likes of Pratchett .

[Avejajed]

Ahahahahhah! Has everyone seen these yet? So hilarious! Just look. You have to look. 

 

Let's just say, Sebastian's reaction to being on tumblr: After being in this site I need to pray. A lot. And Cassandra won't admit her identity. 

 

DAO http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-insp

DA2 http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

DAI http://dorianbabus.t...had-tumblr-part

 

I had to quote this again because I opened the others and legit almost fell off my chair. At work. Laughing so hard.

 

IDKIJUSTWANTED2BEADRAGON

 

hahahahahahhahaah.

[Adynata]

I did this in my playthrough and he does say this when you choose the flirt option during the chess game when you are in a romance with Solas. 

 

That's weird b/c I was in a Solas romance when I flirted with Cullen during the chess game. Perhaps I didn't notice it. Too busy cheating at chess I s'pose.