I do love how Solas and Cullen are in the top when they weren´t even supposed to be LIs,with Blackwall originally being the "main" LI for ladies
Hard to think about really. I guess I would have romanced Cass and Dorian... but playing the game as female first would have been a bit of a let down.
By the way, did your Lavellans get along with Sera?
After the breakup with Solas my Lavellan went to sit with Sera on the roof :<
My Lavellan did at first; the two of them were thick as thieves, pranking everyone, baking cookies, having roof time, all that good stuff. But the game forces Lavellan to grow up very quickly and Sera never really does. I got her dialogue about the vallaslin hot on the heels of arguing with her over the Well of Mythal, and I think that's pretty much when they stopped being besties. I love Sera as a character, but I think she and my Lavellan are two very different people now.
My Lavellan is just like me. Can't stand Sera.
Sadly, Sera think otherwise.
Hard to think about really. I guess I would have romanced Cass and Dorian... but playing the game as female first would have been a bit of a let down.
I feel the same,I guess I would have gone with Bull for my female characters or had my inquisitors pine for Solas and Cullen 
Hard to believe that they almost didn´t include them, especially since Solas might be my favorite bioware LI ever (so sorry Garrus! )
I feel the same,I guess I would have gone with Bull for my female characters or had my inquisitors pine for Solas and Cullen
I probably would have just rolled Adaar first and made my Dorian romance my "canon" playthrough. Then romanced Josie with Lavellan since Josie is just the adorablest. But I'm trying to imagine DA:I with no Solas romance at all, and it kind of breaks my brain.
Garrus is still my favorite though. I think pound for pound Solas has some of the best content BioWare's ever done, but Garrus had three games to work his way into my heart 
I do love how Solas and Cullen are on the top when they weren´t even supposed to be LIs,with Blackwall originally being the "main" LI for ladies
Lol.
I like Sera. She has boatloads of issues, like the entire rest of the cast, and some of those are absolutely race issues. To be fair, she actually says multiple times to Solas that she's heard everything he's saying before. Expectations about how she should be 'elfy' are something she's implied to have dealt with pretty much her entire life. Solas is just one more elf who thinks he knows better than she does about what she should be. (Also, telling people what they 'should' be is gross no matter how good the intentions.) Sera's views need to be challenged but Solas approached it really wrongly, especially since he has great big race issues himself.
Does she bond quickly with any Lavellan? She did eventually warm up to mine. Roof time with Sera was one of my favorite things to do with my Lavellan.
I rolled an elf just for Solas. I was originally planning on a human mage first, given what the romance options are like, she'd have been forever alone.
I probably would have just rolled Adaar first and made my Dorian romance my "canon" playthrough. Then romanced Josie with Lavellan since Josie is just the adorablest. But I'm trying to imagine DA:I with no Solas romance at all, and it kind of breaks my brain.
Garrus is still my favorite though. I think pound for pound Solas has some of the best content BioWare's ever done, but Garrus had three games to work his way into my heart
Haha true, I guess I still consider Garrus my favorite but if they do provide us with some closure and it´s handled well, I´m ready to call Solas my favorite haha 
Lol.
Haha oh you But hey,Solas did talk about liking to see you "dominated"
Hi all!
I just wanted to introduce you to my canon Quizzy, Ahyoka Lavellan. I tried to make her face with the features of Native American people (in general, I know there are lots of different tribes from different areas) Dalish people are usually associated to Celtic themes, and I wanted to try and give it a different touch. Her name according to some sites is of Cherokee origin and means "She brought happiness" I thought it was very fitting :-) Sorry for the awful quality of the image, I'm on PS4 and can't for the life of me figure out how to send screenshots by email, so I had to take a pic with my cellphone.
However, as much as I loved Solas romance, I don't think I will go through it again. Likely I'll go on until the
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In the context of her life she probably resents having a lot of expectations on her. She was out of line, but I understand where she's coming from. If you come from a family that expects you to marry within your own race or religion, you can get pretty resentful. I know that she was raised by humans, but all the elves around her putting expectations on her probably makes her feel controlled.
Being told that you have to do things a certain way or you are letting down everyone, or purposely losing something, can feel really bad. She probably acts defiantly about it to protect her from those judgements.
I can understand that, and with maturity you learn when you're exercising your own demons on other people instead of making yourself the center of the universe. Does Sera ever grow up? Honest question. She and Viv seem to have pretty static arcs.
I liked Sera in a lot of aspects especially because she was an example of someone who did not abide by a racial identity and I liked that. Her humor was a mixed bag to me but humor is subjective and she had a lot of jokes I liked. My key problem with her was that I never once talked about "elfy" things with her because I knew how she felt about it so it only happened when she brought it up. When I responded, she called me stupid so I felt it was a bit of a one-sided consideration.
The cookie scene could be seen or headcanoned as Sera coming to see and accept your Lavellan despite them being Dalish because they are not what she expected; The elves against humans, arrogant jerks and so forth. It's a friendship developing across cultures and preconceptions. I like that.
I love the idea of "us-cookies"
Edit: I got Sera somewhat after I had the conversation with Solas in which he says that I used the phrase "our people" so casually so after talking to her, I went; "Hey Solas, I got someone you should meet!" The game then proceeded to spring the banter of Sera annoying Solas on me immediatly afterwards in the Hinterlands which had me grinning so much.
Does she bond quickly with any Lavellan? She did eventually warm up to mine. Roof time with Sera was one of my favorite things to do with my Lavellan.
I rolled an elf just for Solas. I was originally planning on a human mage first, given what the romance options are like, she'd have been forever alone.
I never got the roof scene with Sera. 
How does that happen? We played pranks together and were friends... somehow... I think my Lavellan saw her as a normal rebellious youth, and she was old enough to probably have a child or sibling that age. "Well, dear, you're at that age... I'll love you no matter what, but I know you're going to be doing your own things to find yourself and we aren't going to agree on that all the time." Seeing it from that perspective made it feel less "personal" when there were disagreements and more like indulging someone in having their space to learn and grow. Whether Sera ever actually does, I guess we'll see. The inquisition had to have changed every member in some way by the end.
I thought Sera liked me well enough, but I never got these roof scenes, so maybe not.
My Lavellan wanted to be friends with Sera, but my Lavellan's goal is life was pretty much to make things better for her people (the elves) - the main difference between her and other Dalish being that she considered all elves her people. So Sera was just a slap in the face for making her dreams come true.
She tried to understand her, but it's really hard to always be open minded with someone who is never open minded in return. And then Sera ended up laughing at all Lavellan when she was at her worst (just found out the Dalish were wrong about pretty much everything and her bf dumped her), so yea...that friendship isn't really going anywhere at the moment.
My Lavellan never got any friendship scenes with Sera. There wasn't a way to agree to disagree or anything like that (about "elfy" things), so it was really difficult to even justify talking to her when all she seemed to do was call my Inquisitor an idiot while my Inquisitor tried her hardest to be nice and friendly. :/ That's... not a healthy friendship. Healthy friendships aren't one-sided and you can actually talk about things.
I'm kind of envious of everyone that did manage to become friends with her, though. :c I tried, but even though my Lavellan never tried to force her beliefs on anyone, she must have still just been too "elfy" for Sera somehow.
Solas really liked her, though! I got the Fade!Haven scene immediately after entering Skyhold for the first time, and I got his personal quest/balcony conversation right after that. (I was at level 8. It was interesting.)
It's mostly because the evidence points against him being a bad person even early on that I don't follow this belief. The face he made when no one looking while you tried closing the Breach very early in the game?
There's also how he gains approval when you help random people and how he makes comments like "the People of Crestwood deserve better.
I think he's plenty complicated and dramatic as he is. Unlike Anders I don't think he intends for things to blow up. They just do, and he has to live with the consequences. He also has many shades of gray to go with his morals, and he holds some troubling Ancient Culture Superiority beliefs.
Has BioWare ever lied through approval? I mean, has there been a character that gives approval for actions that are later revealed to be things the character actually disapproves of? I keep thinking Solas must have a good heart despite his flaws because he generally seems to approve when the Inquisitor does good things and helps people, and disapproves of power grabbing and hurtful choices. If the approval system can be trusted as a sign of a character's true intentions, it seems to point to Solas being fundamentally good (or at least wanting to be good), despite any terrible things he has done.
Yes but even decisions you make yourself such as making Gaspard Briala's puppet or making Leliana the next Divine can do that since with a Briala/Leliana combination in Orlais both elves and mages end up with the same civil and legal rights as every other citizen of Southern Thedas .. which the human non-mages clearly throw fits about. Same with Vivienne as Divine because she puts everything back the way it was in the Chantry including the Mages Circles and lyrium addicted Templars. There isn't an easy way out or a good ending even if Solas is not the next big bad .. and I think there would be a significant difference between you know removing the veil by tearing giant holes in the sky forcing fade spirits to become demons, and taking it down properly so that the spirits remained true to themselves... Both Sola's Wisdom friend and Cole choose to make themselves seen or unseen I would suspect most people would not know it was gone except for the fact that all the people who by their very nature were meant to have magic - would ..- the purpose of the Inquisition even the original one was to minimize the effects on the average person- not to prevent change from happening and given how elves, mages, qunari, dwarves, poor people, and well pretty much anyone in Thedas that isn't a noble is treated (all you have to do is look at the effects of the Orlesian Civil War to see that -- both Celene and Gaspard arguing over who would do a better job- destroying thousands of acres of farmland, villages, and killing innocent citizens in the process proving neither is fit to rule) like utter #$%*...things need to change in Thedas and I think even if it caused initial chaos if it made things right again my Quizzy would support Fen'Harel .. . After all things are already in chaos it can't really get that much worse.
And after all the Quizzy seems to have little trouble dealing with the fallout of making Briala the true "Empress" with Gaspard as her puppet, siding with the mages, or with making Leliana Divine, in fact she remains friends/allies with all of them. I think if you Quizzy was played out as a Templar supporting, Circle supporting, good little Andrastian (about as far from Dalish Quizzy as you can get) and you and Solas hated each other sure you would oppose him-- but a Dalish Quizzy whose people only stand to gain by regaining their magic and immortality and finding out the truth about the past of Arlathan and the Dales-- probably would not oppose him. Even if he is Fen'Harel after all he is still one of the Creators and your people stand to benefit from it.
I think the next big bad is going to come from elsewhere-- for one thing - seven magisters went into the Golden City.. 6 came out because they allegedly ate one ....we have dealt with Corphyeus-- the Architect was also potentially one of them who had forgotten who he was-- that still leaves 4 each with potentially different powers and ability to wreak chaos .. .Not to mention 2 more Blights, etc, oh yeah wait the Tevinter Imperium, Qunari .. plenty of threats out there to explore without turning Solas into one
Nah, my Lavellan is always happy to take risks if it means improving life for the Dalish, but I'm still pretty sure she'd hear "I'm going to tear down the veil" and be unable, or unwilling, to see it as a positive move, since the only evidence she has of a missing veil is the awfulness that came from the breach. Maybe it would be different if the veil was coming down anyway, and someone convinced her that a controlled takedown was better than a deliberate one, she did think Solas' vision of a world where spirits were just naturally present like trees and grass was interesting. I guess it would depend on the circumstances. I do know that she would still love Solas, but would be completely unable to trust him after she found out who he actually is- seems like an almost impossible situation for my own character to resolve with hearts and rainbows, but I know that everyone's taste in this matter is different.
I'm pretty convinced it's just wishful thinking on the fandom's part though, to imagine that Solas isn't going to be a major obstacle of some sort in future content. Yes, Tevinter, the Qunari, etc are still there for conflict exploration, but the final stinger does not tease a massive war, or a new threat in the form of either of those; it teases one in the form of our beloved bald apostate- or at least, that's what I read from it. Maybe we won't have to battle him, maybe we can choose to side with him, or maybe a new protag will just be left to clean the newest mess he made with his latest "fix", but I have a very hard time believing that we can expect a true "And Alistair and the Warden got married and became Queen and King, and now the Queen is even finding a cure for the calling so they can make babies and live HEA" type of ending for Solavellan. David Gaider simply loves our tears far too much to allow that kind of thing to happen.
Hi all!
I just wanted to introduce you to my canon Quizzy, Ahyoka Lavellan. I tried to make her face with the features of Native American people (in general, I know there are lots of different tribes from different areas) Dalish people are usually associated to Celtic themes, and I wanted to try and give it a different touch. Her name according to some sites is of Cherokee origin and means "She brought happiness" I thought it was very fitting :-) Sorry for the awful quality of the image, I'm on PS4 and can't for the life of me figure out how to send screenshots by email, so I had to take a pic with my cellphone.
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However, as much as I loved Solas romance, I don't think I will go through it again. Likely I'll go on until the
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Please don't flame me
Haha no one is gonna flame you for being a responsible adult instead of an addict
The whole romance premise is 'we shouldnt but we did', too bad we learn that afterward. Id stillreplay it tho cause I love the whole mythical side of it, the 'god falls for mortal' tale.
I can understand that, and with maturity you learn when you're exercising your own demons on other people instead of making yourself the center of the universe. Does Sera ever grow up? Honest question. She and Viv seem to have pretty static arcs.
Neither Sera nor Vivienne change. Solas doesn't either. He has more going on than Sera or Viv but he doesn't really have any growth. Now that I'm thinking about it, neither does Varric.
I never got the roof scene with Sera.
It should show up after the Temple of Mythal. You have to talk to her multiple times to get it.
There's a possible chance that it be bugged but that may be because I know it is a high friendship scene and there's no visible approval meter.
Can you remember what cutscene comes before it?
Don't agree in regards to Solas. The Inquisitor can either make him reconsider his views or else reinforce them. For a character like that even to consider a romance is already a big development for him. I guess you could say the same of Sera and an elf.Neither Sera nor Vivienne change. Solas doesn't either. He has more going on than Sera or Viv but he doesn't really have any growth. Now that I'm thinking about it, neither does Varric.
But Faded demonstrates that Solas is right- a spirit forced to act against its purpose becomes a demon, but when that stress isn't there it remains intact. Cole comes through intact and his impact on the world is a positive one (with guidance). Ambitious madmen like Corypheus and the Venatori are able to wreak so much havoc because they're trying to control a scarce resource. Give the resource away to everyone and you take away that temptation.Nah, my Lavellan is always happy to take risks if it means improving life for the Dalish, but I'm still pretty sure she'd hear "I'm going to tear down the veil" and be unable, or unwilling, to see it as a positive move, since the only evidence she has of a missing veil is the awfulness that came from the breach.
Some people thought Morrigan and Flemeth were evil. Meanwhile the appearances of both Morrigan and Warden Alistair in this game were pretty sappy in regards to their DAO romances. Speculating what they'll do is pretty useless, though I guess it can keep us busy til we get a DLC announcement.I'm pretty convinced it's just wishful thinking on the fandom's part though, to imagine that Solas isn't going to be a major obstacle of some sort in future content. Yes, Tevinter, the Qunari, etc are still there for conflict exploration, but the final stinger does not tease a massive war, or a new threat in the form of either of those; it teases one in the form of our beloved bald apostate- or at least, that's what I read from it. Maybe we won't have to battle him, maybe we can choose to side with him, or maybe a new protag will just be left to clean the newest mess he made with his latest "fix", but I have a very hard time believing that we can expect a true "And Alistair and the Warden got married and became Queen and King, and now the Queen is even finding a cure for the calling so they can make babies and live HEA" type of ending for Solavellan. David Gaider simply loves our tears far too much to allow that kind of thing to happen.
Never got the roof stuff with Sera either. My Lavellan tried to be friends with her, but they turned out to be too different.
Sera: *teenage-y rant*
Lavellan: *mom rant*
Sera: *teenage-y backtalk*
Lavellan: *mom disapproval*
Erm, yeah. Lavellan didn't try talking any elf stuff with her after she realized she had big issues with it, but between that and being a mage, there were issues from the start. Still, I think they were getting along well enough until she shot that one guy while Lavellan was trying to talk to him. Then Lavellan went into disapproving Keeper mode, and they were distant after that. Sera's approval never dropped enough for her to leave, but she makes it clear that she thinks Lavellan is a huge stick in the mud, to put it in politer terms than she would use.
(to Addai67) Ehhh, I wouldn't agree with that in regards to Sera and a elven Inquisitor but that's a whole different barrel of fish.
By the way, did your Lavellans get along with Sera?
Sera and my Lavellan were oil and water. I tried to be nice to her, but I played my character as a little older and very serious about her responsibilities to her people and her clan, so Sera was constantly hassling me about being too "elfy." I found Sera to be too irresponsible and mean to be friends with her. I disliked her so intensely, it's hard for me to imagine anyone but an intentionally evil Inquisitor getting along with her. (Sorry, I honestly don't think those of you who like her are evil, I just saw all her worst moments and missed her good stuff, so it's hard for me to relate.)
I do love how Solas and Cullen are in the top when they weren´t even supposed to be LIs,with Blackwall originally being the "main" LI for ladies
And thank BioWare gods for Solas!
Blackwall bored me
I probably would've went with Dorian if Solas wouldn't have existed as a romance option.
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