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[Vylix]

Lol. One big orgy in the Wing?  XD

I was thinking more along the line of teasing Solas that they're the recovery wing's surrogate Solas but that works too.

[SamanthaJ]

Sorry about the off topic! TV shows get me off on tangents. Thank God nobody has brough up Once upon a Time.

You just did the thing. 

 

Anyways, as long as Felassan isn't Solas's slave (that's one principal I don't see him breaking) I could see it going either way. Maybe the person who betrayed Mythal is behind Felassan's death. Maybe it is Solas. Maybe everything was written the way it was to deliberately mislead us.

[Lady Luminous]

Sorry about the off topic! TV shows get me off on tangents. Thank God nobody has brough up Once upon a Time.

 

Come chat with me in PM. I am dying for January for it to return!!

[Arahnea]

 

Aww, thanks guys! 

 

I keep going back and forth on whether that last Felassan scene was with Solas. On the one hand, I thought it would be pretty out of character for Solas to lash out like that unless he had a personal reason to be upset there... But then again, we don't know how important those Eluvians are... 

 

And I keep worrying that maybe we don't know that much about how Solas really acts when he's not trying to keep his identity a secret... I mean, I THINK how he acts in the game is how he genuinely is... There's just.... So many nagging worries in the back of my head right now about what we don't know....

 

Hmm but if those Eluvians were truly so important to him, wouldn't he more interested in Briala since she has the password?

[M-Taylor]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.

 

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

[SamanthaJ]

I let Solas take the vallaslin because most Dalish don't know what the true meaning behind them was, and my Inquisitor apparently believes that it'll make a bigger statement when she tells her clan than simply telling them would (I just made that up on the spot so people don't think I did it for the intimate magic sparkling or maybe I didn't make it up).

[Sable Rhapsody]

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

 

The scene is romance-only, so only female Lavellan sees it.

 

As for the vallaslin, I removed it mostly because my Lavellan cares about the truth of what the marks meant, even if it's from thousands of years ago.  She's almost as compulsive as Solas in that regard.  But not everyone removed them.

[Addai]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.
 
Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>
 
So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

The scene is only for the romance, and my character did have him remove her vallaslin. I do think it will cause problems for her, especially in connection with her having been proclaimed as Herald of Andraste, but it was an integrity thing. Knowing the truth, she couldn't keep it.

[Arahnea]

My current Lavellan will definitely refuse the gift but my first accepted it. I guess for me it sounds  similar to having Jewish people 500 years from now wear a yellow patch to proudly distinguish themselves from non-Jews..

[M-Taylor]

I let Solas take the vallaslin because most Dalish don't know what the true meaning behind them was, and my Inquisitor apparently believes that it'll make a bigger statement when she tells her clan than simply telling them would (I just made that up on the spot so people don't think I did it for the intimate magic sparkling or maybe I didn't make it up).

 

But this is a culture that is deeply embedded with tradition (albiet, misguided tradition). I don't see thousands (? not sure how many Dalish are left) taking the word of one Elf, on the here say of another Elf that doesn't consider him Dalish.

 

For a real world anaology, it'd be like an ancient human or saw the historical events of say, Christianity, and actually declared Jesus or Mohammad a woman. I just don't see the world buying it at this point, and the Dalish are the same. Too much time has passed for them to consider that they might be wrong.

 

Plus like I said, while their original intent might be a mark of slavery, they've come to mean something else in the ideology of the Dalish. They really do act as a source of Pride now in my opinion, and I just don't think I could ever let my Elves relinquish that, even for the magic sparkles.

[Abyss108]

Hmm but if those Eluvians were truly so important to him, wouldn't he more interested in Briala since she has the password?

 

Good point! That makes me feel a bit better about the chance of it not being Solas!

 

It's just Felassan's line where he says "She reminds me of...". I thought it sounded like it was going to end with "you" (you referring to Fen'harel). It could just be a misleading line though!

[dragondreamer]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.

 

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

 

Only romanced Lavellans get the offer to have the vallaslin removed.   But my Lavellan didn't let Solas remove hers either, for pretty much the same reasons.  They're something she associates with her family and culture *now*, regardless of what they meant in ancient times.  And the more she learns the truth, I think the more she values creating something new while recognizing what was.  And most of society is simply built on top of what came before, even if the original meaning is lost.

[M-Taylor]

My current Lavellan will definitely refuse the gift but my first accepted it. I guess for me it sounds  similar to having Jewish people 500 years from now wear a yellow patch to proudly distinguish themselves from non-Jews..

 

Heh, well I won't comment on the star of David due to avoiding real life issues, but the Pink Triangle has become a source of defiance to the LBGT culture. It's some what similar.

[SamanthaJ]

Plus like I said, while their original intent might be a mark of slavery, they've come to mean something else in the ideology of the Dalish. They really do act as a source of Pride now in my opinion, and I just don't think I could ever let my Elves relinquish that, even for the magic sparkles.

Well if you don't remove them you get to hear Solas say you're Inquisitor is perfect as is. It's a win-win.

 

And on the taking back something with a new meaning thing, I would agree if the Dalish actually knew the original meaning. Sure Lavellan could keep them in that sense, but that doesn't account for the other Dalish. And as you said they probably wouldn't listen to one elf. I think this'll all be out in the open in Thedas one way or another. Whatever the case may be, there is no right or wrong choice regarding the vallaslin. It's all about personal preference and beliefs.

[caridounette]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.

 

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

 

It is a romance only scene,

 

As you do, i am of the personal opinion that the vallaslin have their own meaning now and the fact that they come historically from slave symbols does not take away from the meaning the Dalish impart to them with their coming of age ritual. Elves used to be slaves and they took back the slave symbols and made them their own. Godd for them. 

 

But my Lavellan actually accepts to have the vallaslin taken. Its jsut how she feels at the moment. She may find a rational for it afterwards but the truth will remain that she did it out of trust and love. Just like the Cole banter says, she feels embarassed about it for a while and angry at herself. But then I guess it will force her to move forward, for the future of all elves. Some mistakes jsut work out in the end.

[M-Taylor]

Well if you don't remove them you get to hear Solas say you're Inquisitor is perfect as is. It's a win-win.

 

Yeah, I did gush a little and was grateful for Bioware to including that. I didn't really feel like I lost much from the Solas for refusing the gift, unlike the Morrigan romance where I tried refusing her ring at one point (canon Elf mage Warden, didn't like the sound of yet more people keeping tabs on him haha). She was not having any of that and it virtually ended the romance, was kinda like, OMG fine u clingy b/witch god haha.

[Arahnea]

Heh, well I won't comment on the star of David due to avoiding real life issues, but the Pink Triangle has become a source of defiance to the LBGT culture. It's some what similar.

But the difference is that the Pink triangle was very deliberately chosen to rerepresent something else. In case of the Dalish, they thought they had the meaning right all along

 

Your Inquisitor actually has the power to really change its meaning knowingly

[MoonDrummer]

Oghren killed felassan

[SamanthaJ]

Oghren killed felassan

That bastard.

[MaidenM]

Personally my Lavellan had the vallaslin removed because she was... well, she was having a bit of a crisis at the time. Her clan was killed (damn you Cullen, I trusted you!), she was drifting further and further away from her dalish roots, she drank from the well in a desperate attempt to regain something, anything and just found out more things that gave her doubt. Finding out they where slave marks was the last straw for her. At that point she was ready to just give up being dalish at all.

 

Then she got dumped. She's not doing so well... ><

[Mead Knight]

Hello Solas thread! Mind if I join? Nobody I know has completed the game yet so there's no one for me to cry my heart out to after Solas ripped it to shreds...    I tried to recover by restarting the game as a male human so I couldn't replay the romance... It was going pretty well until the game glitched out and Solas started flirting with him!

Welcome to the thread!

 

Anyway, here is a Solas art dump:

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[Sashimi_taco]

Does anyone else wonder who the lurker is when they make articles about stuff? 

[M-Taylor]

But the difference is that the Pink triangle was very deliberately chosen to rerepresent something else. In case of the Dalish, they thought they had the meaning right all along

 

Yeah I know the real analogies aren't 100% fool proof, but I just think that the Vaselline have progressed to mean something far greater than their original intent, and removing them felt like abit of a betrayal to your culture, but it's nice to read other peoples interpretations.

 

I still don't think I could do that to any of my Dalish though. Especially that tree tat, that is a niiiice tat. Kinda wish I could get away with it in real life, hehe.

[Sashimi_taco]

First of all, you have a great voice.

Second of all, you need to backwhateveryoucalledit EVERYTHING now. lol.

Third, you win the internet today.

Fourth, that is so freaking creepy.

Fifth, I am NEVER drinking from that well. Nope.

Sixth,

 

 

Already on it. Going through old videos for fade whispers. Trying to isolate fade rift sounds too. I know I hear things being said when I am near them fighting. It's just hard to make out with the other sounds.

[Tielis]

Yes, I think the choice is necessary, as it is a highly personal decision.  Some Lavellans would be like "get this **** off me NOW" while others will be like "haha yeah, EAT your slave markings, bitches".

 

Yes, I'm quoting myself because I'm lazy that way.