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[kalasaurus]

Lavellan: Let me know if I can do anything to help.

Solas: You already have.

 

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(Someone help me, I'm examining subtle face changes)

[BoscoBread]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.

 

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

No.  I did not remove it.  So you're not alone.  It's only for the female Lavellan - he trusts/respects her enough to tell her.  It's the gift he gives you as his love interest...I think all of them have one.  As to why I didn't remove it: Her angry option "I say no to you altering my face...".  That's my feelings wrapped up in a nutshell.  She was Dalish and a clan member longer than she was with Solas.  To do an about face after a 1 min. conversation about it is totally bizarre.  Like he loves her for being this self-assured and confident woman but when he tells her about the vallaslin she gets all weepy and is like 'I BELIEVE YOU.  TAKE AWAY MY IDENTITY'.  I couldn't do it.  It made no sense with my headcanon character.  If he didn't like it he could just take a hike...oh wait. This is not to say that people that did remove it are stupid or insane, I understand why they would. It's a beautiful scene and really well done. And sad.  Oh elf-egg.

[dragondreamer]

I also don't want Solas to forget that he's in love with a Dalish...one of those people he's written off as lost causes.  I think he needs that ongoing reminder, that doubt that maybe he's wrong about some of the things he's thinking about doing.

[Sashimi_taco]

Lavellan: Let me know if I can do anything to help.

Solas: You already have.

 

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(Someone help me, I'm examining subtle face changes)

 

It's okay I'm here with you. We can obsess over small things together until the cops break down the door. 

[Avejajed]

Already on it. Going through old videos for fade whispers. Trying to isolate fade rift sounds too. I know I hear things being said when I am near them fighting. It's just hard to make out with the other sounds.

 

You deserve a medal or something.

[SamanthaJ]

Lavellan: Let me know if I can do anything to help.

Solas: You already have.

 

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(Someone help me, I'm examining subtle face changes)

I remember that moment. That was a good moment. He's often guarded with his expressions and sometimes shows what he's really feeling when people aren't looking...and then he makes this genuinely please face. His friend just died and he's heartbroken, but he was still able to smile because he appreciated her support.

[Zarro-Morningstar]

Can you flirt with anyone other than Solas if you want to be in a romance with him? I think my game may had bugged out the last time one of my IQs were in a romance with him because I never got the flirt option in the Fade....which then locked me out of him being a romance option.

[dragondreamer]

 

Can you flirt with anyone other than Solas if you want to be in a romance with him? I think my game may had bugged out the last time one of my IQs were in a romance with him because I never got the flirt option in the Fade....which then locked me out of him being a romance option.

 

 

My Lavellan would occasionally flirt with Cass (and on my replay there was an accidental Cullen flirt when I clicked too fast ack), but it hasn't caused any trouble with the Solas romance.  Maybe you didn't have his approval high enough yet?

[kalasaurus]

 

Can you flirt with anyone other than Solas if you want to be in a romance with him? I think my game may had bugged out the last time one of my IQs were in a romance with him because I never got the flirt option in the Fade....which then locked me out of him being a romance option.

 

 

Before Skyhold, you can flirt with anyone at any time without worries of preventing Solas's romance.  There are certain moments where you'll lock in with a romance once you arrive at Skyhold, though, blocking you from entering a romance with someone else.  The talk on the barracks with Blackwall is one moment, for example.  I don't know the others.

[Minxie]

No.  I did not remove it.  So you're not alone.  It's only for the female Lavellan - he trusts/respects her enough to tell her.  It's the gift he gives you as his love interest...I think all of them have one.  As to why I didn't remove it: Her angry option "I say no to you altering my face...".  That's my feelings wrapped up in a nutshell.  She was Dalish and a clan member longer than she was with Solas.  To do an about face after a 1 min. conversation about it is totally bizarre.  Like he loves her for being this self-assured and confident woman but when he tells her about the vallaslin she gets all weepy and is like 'I BELIEVE YOU.  TAKE AWAY MY IDENTITY'.  I couldn't do it.  It made no sense with my headcanon character.  If he didn't like it he could just take a hike...oh wait. This is not to say that people that did remove it are stupid or insane, I understand why they would. It's a beautiful scene and really well done. And sad.  Oh elf-egg.

It's also important to consider context for that particular decision... Like my Lavellan might not have removed them, at least not without taking some time to think about it first. But under the game's circumstances.... she'd just been through the Temple of Mythal and heard all these upsetting stories about the elven gods, and she'd drunk from the Well so she was nervous about what that could mean for her autonomy one day. So when she hears about the vallaslin originally being slave markings her immediate and visceral feeling is to want them gone. And I think later when she's feeling sore about Solas leaving she might regret removing them a little, but ultimately she settles on believing it was the right decision for her. 

[Addai]

But this is a culture that is deeply embedded with tradition (albiet, misguided tradition). I don't see thousands (? not sure how many Dalish are left) taking the word of one Elf, on the here say of another Elf that doesn't consider him Dalish.
 
For a real world anaology, it'd be like an ancient human or saw the historical events of say, Christianity, and actually declared Jesus or Mohammad a woman. I just don't see the world buying it at this point, and the Dalish are the same. Too much time has passed for them to consider that they might be wrong.
 
Plus like I said, while their original intent might be a mark of slavery, they've come to mean something else in the ideology of the Dalish. They really do act as a source of Pride now in my opinion, and I just don't think I could ever let my Elves relinquish that, even for the magic sparkles.

It may be where you see your character at in terms of relation to the Dalish. Mine was already distancing herself from the Dalish and recognized she would not be going back to her clan. And wearing a symbol that was kept in ignorance doesn't do them any credit, as I see it. They made a mistake.

It's obviously an individual decision however, and you don't need to justify keeping it.

[Illyria]

I've been watching some Solas romance scenes on youtube out of boredom and I'm genuinely surprised at the amount of people who had their Vaselline taken away. Yes, they might have meant slavery thousands of years ago, but now I see them as a mark of adulthood/pride in the Dalish culture, a modern culture, which marks them out as never submitting to slavery again. I could never take away my Dalish pride in my first play through, or any future play throughs.

 

Does Solas offer that to a male friend, or is it just a romance scene? And how many people accepted his 'gift'? I thought it was a sweet gesture, but it's sort of like LBGT or coloured people taking back offensive slurs. I'm a gay man in real life, and when people call me ****** or gay or queer, I laugh and smirk and wear it with pride. I imagine the Dalish being something similar really. >.>

 

So yeah, am I alone? Please say people refused his gift other than me haha.

 

I kept mine for the reason you gave.  It may have meant something then but it's been reclaimed now.  Of course, if I make a different Lavellan, she might see it differently.

[Illyria]

 

Can you flirt with anyone other than Solas if you want to be in a romance with him? I think my game may had bugged out the last time one of my IQs were in a romance with him because I never got the flirt option in the Fade....which then locked me out of him being a romance option.

 

 

My Lavellan flirts with everyone, and even keeps flirting with Sera after her Solas romance is locked in. So it doesn't seem to be problem.
 

[Adynata]

 

Can you flirt with anyone other than Solas if you want to be in a romance with him? I think my game may had bugged out the last time one of my IQs were in a romance with him because I never got the flirt option in the Fade....which then locked me out of him being a romance option.

 

 

I flirted with, like, everyone, just for giggles, while romancing Solas. Blackwall actually took me seriously and said we shouldn't do this and I agreed. I did it because I knew Solas was just going to dump me anyway...

[drake2511]

It's also important to consider context for that particular decision... Like my Lavellan might not have removed them, at least not without taking some time to think about it first. But under the game's circumstances.... she'd just been through the Temple of Mythal and heard all these upsetting stories about the elven gods, and she'd drunk from the Well so she was nervous about what that could mean for her autonomy one day. So when she hears about the vallaslin originally being slave markings her immediate and visceral feeling is to want them gone. And I think later when she's feeling sore about Solas leaving she might regret removing them a little, but ultimately she settles on believing it was the right decision for her.

This is pretty much the same reason my Lavellan made him remove them


I watched the scene on youtube again. I always take the sad puppy option in the end 'cause I love Alix's voice in that scene and I like Solas' reaction. But the video on youtube showed the "are you kidding me?" followed by the stoic option. He says he didn't want to hurt her, she just looks at him and spats out "everyone makes mistakes". He stands there longer, maybe hoping she'd add something else, but she just stares at him, disappointed. When he walks away he looks even more heartbroken.

This is particularly heartbreaking if you told him you'll use the power of the well to make things better... you told him that even if you make mistakes, you can still try to change for the better. Then he tries to show how much you mean to him, but screws up again and you look at him, angry, broken, and tell him he messed up.

This is too much, I'm going to bed

[zambixi]

It may be where you see your character at in terms of relation to the Dalish. Mine was already distancing herself from the Dalish and recognized she would not be going back to her clan. And wearing a symbol that was kept in ignorance doesn't do them any credit, as I see it. They made a mistake.

It's obviously an individual decision however, and you don't need to justify keeping it.

 

Same. My Lavellan didn't even have a clan to return to (thanks Josephine). She'd have to find a new clan to go to, one that would accept a mage and the unwanted attention that would come from adopting the Inquisitor. Plus she does not really believe in what the Dalish are doing anymore. The vallaslin are just one more reminder that the Dalish are stubbornly fighting a losing battle in the wrong fashion.

 

But, more importantly for my canon Lavellan, in that moment she trusts Solas with her whole world. Even though he isn't Dalish, she's the only one of her Inner Circle that has a connection to her culture. Different people headcanon that differently, but I see my Lavellan relying heavily on Solas not just romantically but just to get her through things. I imagine a lot of long conversations, a lot of trust from Lavellan, etc. So when he tells her something is bad and a mark of slavery, she believes him and trusts his judgement. Sort of like, "OK I am ready to take the step away from being just Dalish now, and we can do it together."

 

But haha nope. I wouldn't say she regrets having them taken away in and of itself - you can't unknow or unfeel something - but I think she feels a lot of anxiety because she's severed from her heritage, thought there was going to be someone to lean on to build a new heritage and then that thought dies in the following five minutes. She'll be better off for the independence in the long run though.

[HurricaneGinger]

The Well is killing me guys. I feel like I know Terrwyn quite well, but when it comes to that choice...hmm...it has made me pause. 

[dragondreamer]

Sometimes I wonder if the well will have any future ramifications, or if it was just a "who will handle dragon duty" thing for the short term.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Sometimes I wonder if the well will have any future ramifications, or if it was just a "who will handle dragon duty" thing for the short term.

 

I hope it does, but in some ways it strikes me as being a bit like the Dark Ritual where the potential future ramifications could be a nightmare from a writing/coding perspective.  Then again, they did already do that once and try to wrap up the DR in this game, so maybe they've learned their lesson.

[SamanthaJ]

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[HurricaneGinger]

Sometimes I wonder if the well will have any future ramifications, or if it was just a "who will handle dragon duty" thing for the short term.

 

Terrwyn is like Solas in the sense the truth matters more. She looks at the texts of her people, and sees how things can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, and written by those who romanticize events to make the elves look better and to soothe a massive blow on elven dignity. The elven gods were a point of fascination for her, and wasn't sure if she truly believed in them as they have been interpreted today. Then she comes upon the Well, and I wonder if she would see it as an opportunity to understand more of her history with no cloud of ignorance, or if she would look at it with wariness and think it could only tie her to something she doesn't understand. 

[zambixi]

Sometimes I wonder if the well will have any future ramifications, or if it was just a "who will handle dragon duty" thing for the short term.

 

 

I hope it does, but in some ways it strikes me as being a bit like the Dark Ritual where the potential future ramifications could be a nightmare from a writing/coding perspective.  Then again, they did already do that once and try to wrap up the DR in this game, so maybe they've learned their lesson.

 

I think it will, otherwise I can't imagine why they would have written the servant aspect into it at all. There are a number of different ways BW could have had Flemythal take the OG soul without needing to have either Morrigan or the Inquisitor under her will.  It seems like a silly thing to introduce if it's never going to matter again, and BW seems much, much more deliberate in their writing than they were in DA:O or even DA:2. The (main) DA:I story seems very tight and interconnected to me, without a lot of superfluous loose ends like the other two games.

[SamanthaJ]

If you want to find a wolf you need a hound.

 

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[Sable Rhapsody]

Terrwyn is like Solas in the sense the truth matters more. She looks at the texts of her people, and sees how things can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, and written by those who romanticize events to make the elves look better and to soothe a massive blow on elven dignity. The elven gods were a point of fascination for her, and wasn't sure if she truly believed in them as they have been interpreted today. Then she comes upon the Well, and I wonder if she would see it as an opportunity to understand more of her history with no cloud of ignorance, or if she would look at it with wariness and think it could only tie her to something she doesn't understand. 

 

My Lavellan, Clariel, is also a lot like Solas in this regard.  But Cole's dialogue at the Well was what settled it for her.  His description of the Well as a chorus of ancient voices trying to drown out the Inquisitor's made her backpedal from that pool like there was no tomorrow.

 

What's the point of knowledge or wisdom if you're so compromised you can't properly use it?  Is it really worth running the risk of destroying yourself?  The Well is where Clariel realized the price she wasn't willing to pay for knowledge--her identity.  

[zambixi]

Terrwyn is like Solas in the sense the truth matters more. She looks at the texts of her people, and sees how things can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, and written by those who romanticize events to make the elves look better and to soothe a massive blow on elven dignity. The elven gods were a point of fascination for her, and wasn't sure if she truly believed in them as they have been interpreted today. Then she comes upon the Well, and I wonder if she would see it as an opportunity to understand more of her history with no cloud of ignorance, or if she would look at it with wariness and think it could only tie her to something she doesn't understand. 

 

If she doesn't believe in how they were interpreted how would she feel about being bound to one of them for eternity? My three major reasons for not drinking from the Well were:

1. Abelas says he's not sure if a mortal could handle/use the information. Morrigan seems to be better prepared for that, and even if she isn't at least it will be Morrigan who goes mad if such a thing were to happen.
2. Abelas says she will be bound forever to Mythal. My Lavellan wasn't as certain as Morrigan seemed to be that Mythal didn't exist anymore. I mean you're standing in her temple with a Well of Infinite Knowledge (basically) in front of you, is it that outlandish to believe that Mythal is Real and still has power?
3. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. That knowledge is so tempting and A. Lavellan has trained herself against giving into that sort of temptation since it leads swiftly down the path of demon possession as far as she's concerned. And if Solas doesn't even want that knowledge - Solas the knowledge thresher maw - then it can't be that great.

But...my other Lavellan is all over it. She doesn't want Morrigan and her shemlen mind taking her heritage. She is ready to bear whatever penalty comes from the Well for the good of the People, even if the cost is high. And she's much more confident (arrogant) about her ability to understand it (mostly because I didn't have her ask all those dumb questions about Mythal in the dialogue).