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If you want to find a wolf you need a hound.

 

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We need one where he finds a wolf and Lavellan is like "wth Fido I said find Solas"

 

We all know mabari are smarter than humans/elves.


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Ok I definitely decided to have 2 different saves with this PT one where I drink from the well and one where I didn't especially after seeing that video I'm doing it for if/when a dlc is released to see what kind of crazy consequences  or wherever Bioware decides they are going to go with this.. I do kinda wish we could rename our saves though as I'm going to have to go the saving each copy into a different folder in a safe spot


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By the way, does anyone have any good post-game fanfics?

I need something to quench my Solas thirst and the game can't fulfill that role anymore (so. empty. without him.)

 

Well, I'm writing one, though it's sad and I don't know if it's good.  There's not much of Solas in it at the moment, and since I'm writing it part-by-part with only a basic outline in my head, I don't know if it will have a happy resolution to their romance (though I am aiming for a hopeful ending for the overall story).  Romance isn't really the main focus, but there's quite a bit on friendship and the theme of isolation/loneliness--even when one is surrounded by others.

 

Hi all!

 

I just wanted to introduce you to my canon Quizzy, Ahyoka Lavellan. I tried to make her face with the features of Native American people (in general, I know there are lots of different tribes from different areas) Dalish people are usually associated to Celtic themes, and I wanted to try and give it a different touch. Her name according to some sites is of Cherokee origin and means "She brought happiness" I thought it was very fitting :-) Sorry for the awful quality of the image, I'm on PS4 and can't for the life of me figure out how to send screenshots by email, so I had to take a pic with my cellphone. 

 

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However, as much as I loved Solas romance, I don't think I will go through it again. Likely I'll go on until the

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Please don't flame me  :unsure:

 

Just going to say, it's okay to choose to let him go, but it's also okay to choose to pursue him.  He is not an unwilling participant in the romance--he takes the Inquisitor up to her balcony to tell her "Hey about that kiss, I totally remember it and I totally like it and you."  He hesitates when she waits for another kiss, but he does go for it anyway.  Same thing can be said of the Fade kiss--she starts it, but then he completely joins in.  Note that he says "But without you--" and tells the Inquisitor he loves her in the second scene, despite his hesitation.  Those aren't the words of someone who's getting involved in something he doesn't want to be involved in.  The trouble is more that it's clear to him it will be painful for Lavellan, so it's a bit selfish of him to be okay with it knowing that.

 

I wonder if Felassan is to Solas as Abelas was to Mythal?

 

I've been thinking about Felassan and his shape-changing vallaslin, and I've begun to wonder about why, precisely, his vallaslin changes shape.  I think he might be a follower of one of the Forgotten Ones.  Remember that codex on the many-formed "sinner?"  Or was that possibly a mention of the Formless One?  Hard to say...

 

If he were Fen'harel's follower, I doubt he would have vallaslin.  So, it makes me believe that Felassan was someone else's follower, and he betrayed his master because at some point he decided Fen'harel was more worthy--or something.  It was implied he had changed his name more than once.  Solas wasn't that fascinated by the eluvians.  I think he did want access to certain ones, yes, but he was intending to use his orb to do so.  He would not have needed to obtain the key that Briala acquired, because at that point it's pretty likely he had his orb (Corypheus probably could have escaped had it been in his possession while he was a prisoner of the Wardens).

 

Basically this leaves either Flemeth, or someone who remains in the Fade, unknown to us.

 

I'm not sure if we'll ever know for sure, because it would be such a huge spoiler Weekes probably wouldn't answer. 

 

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Former Fiend diiiiid point this out in another thread. 

 

I'm not so sure Solas would kill someone in cold blood, but if Felassan was working for him and he betrayed their big, super important cause which Solas probably deems righteous than he might have killed him. Though it still doesn't seem to be Solas's style.

 

I can see Solas killing someone believing he was in the right due to betrayal, but I can't see him owning a slave. That has been my biggest concern with the Solas killed Felassan idea. If the above is true than maybe Felassan isn't really a slave.

 

 

A disguise is possible, but unlikely--it would not have shifted in shape if it were a disguise, because then it would be a very poor disguise, right?  That would be noticed.

 

What I do find very out of character if it was indeed Solas, is when Felassan enters the fade to talk with him and tells the entity to let her give it a try

 

"Behind him, there was only silence. There would be no debate, no logical argument or impassioned plea. Felassan had known that when he sat down before the campfire"

 

Now I believe Solas could be many things that we haven't been made aware off but this just sounds like Solas on opposite day..If this is really him than I'm just gonna give up on the dude because that just throws my favorite qualities out the window :(

 

Yes, along with the vallaslin, this is why I don't see it as being Solas, or probably even Flemeth, since she actually can be very reasonable.

 

 

Aww, thanks guys!  ^_^
 
I keep going back and forth on whether that last Felassan scene was with Solas. On the one hand, I thought it would be pretty out of character for Solas to lash out like that unless he had a personal reason to be upset there... But then again, we don't know how important those Eluvians are... 
 
And I keep worrying that maybe we don't know that much about how Solas really acts when he's not trying to keep his identity a secret... I mean, I THINK how he acts in the game is how he genuinely is... There's just.... So many nagging worries in the back of my head right now about what we don't know....

 

 

I will not say it's impossible for it to be Solas (he did kill those mages if you didn't stop him, after all, so if he wanted something badly enough and was betrayed... especially with his feelings on betrayal, it's not inconceivable he'd be able to kill someone), but given what I've seen of him in-game, if it's him then he underwent some major character rewriting.  Also, see my suspicion about the key in my above comment... if I'm right about what it is, then I think it's 100% certain that the culprit wasn't Solas because he wouldn't be involved with that.


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Terrwyn is like Solas in the sense the truth matters more. She looks at the texts of her people, and sees how things can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, and written by those who romanticize events to make the elves look better and to soothe a massive blow on elven dignity. The elven gods were a point of fascination for her, and wasn't sure if she truly believed in them as they have been interpreted today. Then she comes upon the Well, and I wonder if she would see it as an opportunity to understand more of her history with no cloud of ignorance, or if she would look at it with wariness and think it could only tie her to something she doesn't understand. 

 

Kyriel was always the sort to jump into the unknown, so she's been in a "careful what you wish for" situation since everything began.  :lol:  Still couldn't keep her curiosity from pushing her onward.  She believed in the Creators, but she was never so unflexible as to believe the Dalish knew everything.  As a First, studying the Dalish histories, she was aware of how little they really knew, and was never content to simply assume it was all correct.  What she found was overwhelming, but she doesn't burn bridges, she builds them.  The well was a terrifying thing, but she felt an elf should take it, and try to learn from it.  She was willing to take the risk, especially since there was so much at stake beyond just herself.  After meeting Flemythal, I think she was ready to resign herself to the consequences, and after all the Herald of Andraste stuff, at least it was something she could identify with.  But there hasn't been any massive consequences...yet.



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I don't think Felassan's vallaslin actually moved, I think that was a colorful way of describing what it looked like, especially when he smiles.  It curls around his eyes, and so does the Mythal vallaslin.  That's why a lot of people assumed Abelas was possessed Felassan when he showed up in a trailer because his vallaslin fit the description.  Of course, we might be giving too much importance to the vallaslin, considering that Felassan was using it to pass himself off as Dalish to infiltrate them for his purposes.  They could have been completely fake, which is what I assumed back when I first read the book.

 

The red gem was created by Imshael, and it was described as a keystone.  I just kinda doubt it was red lyrium. 



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Further thoughts on my theory, which people reading or planning to read TME may find spoilery:

 

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And having said all of that, on an only tangentially related topic, I wonder if the reason that Solas leaves is in part because he may very well end up being seen as just an elven apostate, and in trouble... plus people will find out he's Fen'harel, PLUS, whatever he's doing, even if it's something good for everyone, is likely to make him reviled even more by history.  Which, you know, he wouldn't want to share with anyone, not even an enemy (or so he says).



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I don't think Felassan's vallaslin actually moved, I think that was a colorful way of describing what it looked like, especially when he smiles.  It curls around his eyes, and so does the Mythal vallaslin.  That's why a lot of people assumed Abelas was possessed Felassan when he showed up in a trailer because his vallaslin fit the description.  Of course, we might be giving too much importance to the vallaslin, considering that Felassan was using it to pass himself off as Dalish to infiltrate them for his purposes.  They could have been completely fake, which is what I assumed back when I first read the book.

 

The red gem was created by Imshael, and it was described as a keystone.  I just kinda doubt it was red lyrium. 

 

Yes, it was a keystone, no it wasn't created by Imshael.  It was in his keeping, was the impression that I got.  Of course, if it were created by Imshael, that's also problematic, because remember what he was doing with red lyrium in DAI?  That whole helping to garden it thing?

 

At the time I read the book, I thought "Is that red lyrium?"  Then I thought, "Nah, can't be."  Now I'm back to:  Wait a minute, that key could be made of red lyrium, it's entirely possible.

 

It's just a theory though.



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The Well is killing me guys. I feel like I know Terrwyn quite well, but when it comes to that choice...hmm...it has made me pause.

My take is that the Inquisitor has enough mythical stuff going on for one little elf.
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Yes, it was a keystone, no it wasn't created by Imshael.  It was in his keeping, was the impression that I got.  Of course, if it were created by Imshael, that's also problematic, because remember what he was doing with red lyrium in DAI?  That whole helping to garden it thing?

 

At the time I read the book, I thought "Is that red lyrium?"  Then I thought, "Nah, can't be."  Now I'm back to:  Wait a minute, that key could be made of red lyrium, it's entirely possible.

 

It's just a theory though.

 

He gardens it, but he doesn't create it.

 

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Oh yeah... was thinking more about my theory about what Cole means by "you became real," and the more I think about it, considering the dialogue clues, etc., the more convinced I am that I was onto something with that...

 

  • Cole says Solas is bright/exists in both worlds (don't remember precise dialogue) during a banter and this is clearly unusual, according to Cole.
  • Solas tells the Inquisitor more than once how unique she is, how remarkable her spirit is, particularly if romanced.
  • Cole observes that the Inquisitor is VERY bright, brighter than Solas in his vision.  So she has a very strong presence in the Fade, and possibly elsewhere.  This is not normal; most people apparently barely exist in the Fade unless they are dreaming.
  • Post breakup scene, Cole's banter--he says to the Inquisitor, "You became real."  He then says that means anyone could, and that changes everything, but can't.
  • Kieran can mention the elf Inquisitor's "old blood," but he can also ask why she chooses to look the way she does.  How could she choose or not choose how she looks?  Hmm, maybe if she were very connected to the Fade, she could manipulate reality on that level...  Unsure of the other things he can say; it depends what you say to him is all I know for sure.

So what I continue to take from this:  The Inquisitor, like Solas, exists on more layers of reality than most other people (whether romanced or not).  If elven, this could mean that whatever grants the elves immortality is restored to the Inquisitor--but this is unconfrimed.  The Inquisitor may remain mortal, while still being more like the ancient Elvhen than modern elves are.

 

I take that back to my 2D vs. 3D analogy.  Say you went to bed one night, and when you woke up, everyone else was in 2D, and you were still in 3D.  No one seemed to notice or find anything strange about this, except for you because you're the only one left who can even perceive the difference.  Then you meet someone else who's in 3D, and you realize that you might have indirectly had something to do with that.  That's where Solas is coming from.  It's not that everyone doesn't exist, or isn't a person, it's that they are not on the same level of reality as he is.  So, they are "less real," to someone like him, who exists on more than one plane of reality at a time.

 

I don't know how this relates to what he's planning, but I wonder if the reason he's okay with moving on from the Inquisition is in part because he suspects that the Inquisitor is immortal, and therefore her power won't be going anywhere.


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Hi! I would like a second opinion about a sketch for a scene of Solas and my Lavellan dancing:

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My second opinion is to keep drawing. It looks lovely. 



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He gardens it, but he doesn't create it.

 

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I took that more as him summoning it than as him creating it.  I don't know how.

 

And no, he can't create red lyrium.  Yet, if the key is made of it, and he did summon it, doesn't that suggest he knows a lot about red lyrium?  Maybe that's why he was gardening it.  Maybe he's even the one who told Corypheus about it in the first place, enabling him to make use of it.



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Yes, it was a keystone, no it wasn't created by Imshael.  It was in his keeping, was the impression that I got.  Of course, if it were created by Imshael, that's also problematic, because remember what he was doing with red lyrium in DAI?  That whole helping to garden it thing?

 

At the time I read the book, I thought "Is that red lyrium?"  Then I thought, "Nah, can't be."  Now I'm back to:  Wait a minute, that key could be made of red lyrium, it's entirely possible.

 

It's just a theory though.

 

It's certainly possible. The keystone he gives to Mihris is also described as a ruby, so we know it's consistent. At the same time, how long ago did TME happen? We know that exposure to red lyrium leads to some nasty side effects. It doesn't seem to take very long for the red templars to be completely taken over by the stuff, so could Briala have had it in her possession all this time with no ill effects? I also suspect that were it red lyrium, Felassan would know. Not based on any evidence, just because he seems in tune with the Fade and we know that lyrium sings so it's something I'd expect to be in his pool of knowledge or whatever.



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Terrwyn is like Solas in the sense the truth matters more. She looks at the texts of her people, and sees how things can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, and written by those who romanticize events to make the elves look better and to soothe a massive blow on elven dignity. The elven gods were a point of fascination for her, and wasn't sure if she truly believed in them as they have been interpreted today. Then she comes upon the Well, and I wonder if she would see it as an opportunity to understand more of her history with no cloud of ignorance, or if she would look at it with wariness and think it could only tie her to something she doesn't understand. 

 

My Lavellan is a hunter so she did not learn the Tales herself. That shapes her views quite a bit. She likes the culture of the Dalish, the things that bind them, that keeps them from extinction as a people. Thats how she sees the Tales, not as the words of the Gods but as cautionary tales that might have some truth behind. She respects the Creators, maybe even more then before now that she is away from her clan and thats like a blanket for her. 

 

Plus, she is no mage/keeper so she feels the Well was never intended for her. She wants to learn, but not at any cost. It teared her up quite a bit since she enjoyed going tru the elven ruins and discovering history. But thats what she has Solas for, no need to drink funny water to glimpse at the past. Plus he isnt gonna totally let her down 20 mins from that point, right?



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This is adorable!  :wub:

 

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Source: http://missloon.tumb...-as-much-though

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Source: http://asheface.tumb...ight-in-and-out

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edited to add (thanks Rabbitonfire for pointing this out xD!):

 

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Source: http://endrae.tumblr...nger-solas-with

 

More art under spoiler tag!  ;)

 


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Hi! I would like a second opinion about a sketch for a scene of Solas and my Lavellan dancing:

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If you don't mind critique... Solas looks really awesome there, particularly his face.  But, you would probably have had an easier time making the final product look natural/flow the way you want if you'd tried to work on both at the same time, instead of filling in all the Solas details and leaving Lavellan's for later.  Her pose is awesome, I don't see anything glaringly wrong with her proportions, though the perspective on her nearest leg is a bit off (it looks like it should be foreshortened a bit more since it's pointing away from the viewer).  There's also something off about Solas's torso, and I'm thinking that's also perspective, but I can't pin down exactly what it is.  Sad I can notice these things in other people's stuff but it's a horrible struggle when I try to do it myself...

 

The "draw at the same time" thing is something I learned in a college art class, and it's something I'm absolutely no good at myself.  It generally applies more to painting, so... I dunno.  I do know it's an unfinished product and you'll be filling in those details.  If Solas's face is any indication, she'll probably look amazing.

 

Don't want you to think I'm down on your work - it looks fantastic so far and I look forward to seeing it when you finish.  It's way better than I can do.


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If you want to find a wolf you need a hound.

 

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http://shallete.tumb...about-andrastes

reminds me of this(not sure if posted):
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My Lavellan, Clariel, is also a lot like Solas in this regard.  But Cole's dialogue at the Well was what settled it for her.  His description of the Well as a chorus of ancient voices trying to drown out the Inquisitor's made her backpedal from that pool like there was no tomorrow.

 

What's the point of knowledge or wisdom if you're so compromised you can't properly use it?  Is it really worth running the risk of destroying yourself?  The Well is where Clariel realized the price she wasn't willing to pay for knowledge--her identity.  

 

Damn, I wish I had brought Cole along. Ok, not drinking from the well this time.



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Source: http://endrae.tumblr...nger-solas-with

 

 

You forgot the last part:

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Oh yeah... was thinking more about my theory about what Cole means by "you became real," and the more I think about it, considering the dialogue clues, etc., the more convinced I am that I was onto something with that...

 

  • Cole says Solas is bright/exists in both worlds (don't remember precise dialogue) during a banter and this is clearly unusual, according to Cole.
  • Solas tells the Inquisitor more than once how unique she is, how remarkable her spirit is, particularly if romanced.
  • Cole observes that the Inquisitor is VERY bright, brighter than Solas in his vision.  So she has a very strong presence in the Fade, and possibly elsewhere.  This is not normal; most people apparently barely exist in the Fade unless they are dreaming.
  • Post breakup scene, Cole's banter--he says to the Inquisitor, "You became real."  He then says that means anyone could, and that changes everything, but can't.
  • Kieran can mention the elf Inquisitor's "old blood," but he can also ask why she chooses to look the way she does.  How could she choose or not choose how she looks?  Hmm, maybe if she were very connected to the Fade, she could manipulate reality on that level...  Unsure of the other things he can say; it depends what you say to him is all I know for sure.

So what I continue to take from this:  The Inquisitor, like Solas, exists on more layers of reality than most other people (whether romanced or not).  If elven, this could mean that whatever grants the elves immortality is restored to the Inquisitor--but this is unconfirmed.  The Inquisitor may remain mortal, while still being more like the ancient Elvhen than modern elves are.

 

I take that back to my 2D vs. 3D analogy.  Say you went to bed one night, and when you woke up, everyone else was in 2D, and you were still in 3D.  No one seemed to notice or find anything strange about this, except for you because you're the only one left who can even perceive the difference.  Then you meet someone else who's in 3D, and you realize that you might have indirectly had something to do with that.  That's where Solas is coming from.  It's not that everyone doesn't exist, or isn't a person, it's that they are not on the same level of reality as he is.  So, they are "less real," to someone like him, who exists on more than one plane of reality at a time.

 

I don't know how this relates to what he's planning, but I wonder if the reason he's okay with moving on from the Inquisition is in part because he suspects that the Inquisitor is immortal, and therefore her power won't be going anywhere.

 

I tend to agree that there is something about the Inquisitor that is special, regardless of race. Particularly because Cole's dialog about Quizzie being "bright" comes up no matter what (right? Unless I'm wrong. If so this whole post is trash). I wish I knew if Kieran comments about "choosing that form" for everyone, or if that is elf-exclusive. I would love if someone would compile that scene for all the races and all the options into one video.

 

Anyway figuring out what it is about the Inquisitor that makes them special... is more difficult. Especially since I can't decide if that stuff Cole says is for flavor or actually going to be relevant. And then is an elven Inquisitor more special, or does the explanation have to apply to all races? If the latter, things become more difficult since Dwarves are not supposed to be connected to the Fade at all and Qunari generally avoid it. Of course they both are due to the mark, but Cole's lines seem to suggest that Quizzie was always the way they are after the mark. Cole's romance banter says "You're real" not "You became real," as if she were always real. So what could be something that makes someone "bright" that can apply to everyone...?

 

I have absolutely no idea. Could it be something spiritual, like Quizzie is a spirit of X made real like Cole? That seems like too literal a use of the words "spirit" and "real," in the dialogue, plus I'm not sure people would like playing a "fake" character.  Were they actually chosen by Andraste or the Maker? That seems unlikely as well, given that BW wants to keep the Maker's nature a secret. Did the lyrium give birth to you? That is just my complete crack theory xD  Like I said, no idea. Hope it is elaborated on in the future.


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So what I continue to take from this:  The Inquisitor, like Solas, exists on more layers of reality than most other people (whether romanced or not).  If elven, this could mean that whatever grants the elves immortality is restored to the Inquisitor--but this is unconfrimed.  The Inquisitor may remain mortal, while still being more like the ancient Elvhen than modern elves are.

 

I've been thinking something similar to this, since a Mage Inquisitor can comment during the Fade!Haven scene that the Fade has never looked so "real" in any of their previous visits there, which Solas comments on as being unusual? It makes me wonder if the Anchor somehow allows them to have a foot in both the real world and the Fade at the same time?

 

It makes me wonder if the Anchor has also made even non-mage Inquisitors into some kind of hedge-mage, as they seem to subconsciously know how to use it on sheer instinct as the magic works through them? And if perhaps they're also somehow bleeding some of the Fade into Thedas with it, possibly allowing them to manipulate reality outside of the Fade, at least on some small scale?

 

It would explain some of times they survived things that all logic says they shouldn't have, which the Inquisitor seems to chalk up to "divine bad luck".



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Damn, I wish I had brought Cole along. Ok, not drinking from the well this time.

 

I had him along, and Lavellan still drank from the well.  Trying to save the world is scary business.  Being a mage, she's probably used to some voices now and then anyway.  :P 

 

When she was talking about it with Morrigan later, it actually sounds like she has trouble hearing them most of the time, which was kinda a relief.


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Hi! I would like a second opinion about a sketch for a scene of Solas and my Lavellan dancing:

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is gorgeous!


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Damn, I wish I had brought Cole along.

 

Me too... I'm not sure why I brought Varric: "You're asking me?  I don't know anything about magical weirdness."  Well, thanks for your input, Varric.  I'm bringing Cole around a lot more often this time around thanks to you guys.  I didn't on my first playthrough.


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Me too... I'm not sure why I brought Varric: "You're asking me?  I don't know anything about magical weirdness."  Well, thanks for your input, Varric.  I'm bringing Cole around a lot more often this time around thanks to you guys.  I didn't on my first playthrough.

 

Dorian is good to bring along too, especially if you went the templar route and have Calpernia as your secondary villain.  IMO she's so much more interesting.


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