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Dorian is good to bring along too, especially if you went the templar route and have Calpernia as your secondary villain.  IMO she's so much more interesting.

 

Ok, it's settled then.  My first playthrough I went the mage route, and this time I've been doing the templar route.  I'll be sure to bring Dorian too :D



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Thanks for the input guys! It has reaffirmed my belief that Terrwyn would not drink from the well.

 

That's for my hunter, because she's #yolo like that. XD

 

I know Terrwyn feels a little jealous of Morrigan's insight into things, because she prides herself in that category, but she doesn't allow herself to become warped by it; Terrwyn soon respects Morrigan's word.



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Me too... I'm not sure why I brought Varric: "You're asking me?  I don't know anything about magical weirdness."  Well, thanks for your input, Varric.  I'm bringing Cole around a lot more often this time around thanks to you guys.  I didn't on my first playthrough.

 

Cole belongs everywhere. I might love Solas as a romance and a character, but Cole wins as my favorite hands down. When you have both in the team it's like having a whole new level of insight to places and people in the world.


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Me too... I'm not sure why I brought Varric: "You're asking me?  I don't know anything about magical weirdness."  Well, thanks for your input, Varric.  I'm bringing Cole around a lot more often this time around thanks to you guys.  I didn't on my first playthrough.

 

Sometimes you just need someone level-headed. While everyone else is giving you the pros/cons reliable Varric is there to tell you; "this s*** is just weird". Puts things in perspective.


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Cole belongs everywhere. I might love Solas as a romance and a character, but Cole wins as my favorite hands down. When you have both in the team it's like having a whole new level of insight to places and people in the world.

 

I really liked Cole's role in the templar quest a lot more than Dorian's in the mage quest (though I do find time traveling stories fun), too.  That also pushed me to bring him around more often, since his connection with my Lavellan felt a lot more personal- he saved her on a personal level, instead of just arriving at Haven.  She saw firsthand his desire and ability to help people, and understood him more.


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I really liked Cole's role in the templar quest a lot more than Dorian's in the mage quest (though I do find time traveling stories fun), too.  That also pushed me to bring him around more often, since his connection with my Lavellan felt a lot more personal- he saved her on a personal level, instead of just arriving at Haven.  She saw firsthand his desire and ability to help people, and understood him more.

 

In general I like the templar route better than the mage one.  I adore Dorian to itty bitty pieces, but I just feel like Therinfall is better done, and has the better tie-in quest with Calpernia.  I also just...can't stand Fiona.  At all.  I wish I could stuff her into a box with Florianne.


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(Still trying to catch up with this thread...)

 

HEY OKAY! 

 

I was playing around while editing videos and heard this weird part when drinking from the well of sorrows. I cut it out and put it in a new file. I reversed it and it does clearly say things when played backwards. :D YAY FLEMETH IS A CREEP!

 

I thought since everyone kept looking at the codex entries on the translated temple of Mythal writings, this would be cool. 

 

 

Okay! That officially creeped me out (and gave me goosebumps)! It doesn't help that I'm home alone right now. D: 



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In general I like the templar route better than the mage one.  I adore Dorian to itty bitty pieces, but I just feel like Therinfall is better done, and has the better tie-in quest with Calpernia.  I also just...can't stand Fiona.  At all.  I wish I could stuff her into a box with Florianne.

 

Well, at least you can do this on the templar route:

 

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I've enjoyed the templar route more too so far, though I felt kind of bad when Dorian said he wished I would have stayed in Redcliffe and helped  :unsure:


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In general I like the templar route better than the mage one.  I adore Dorian to itty bitty pieces, but I just feel like Therinfall is better done, and has the better tie-in quest with Calpernia.  I also just...can't stand Fiona.  At all.  I wish I could stuff her into a box with Florianne.

 

Awww...I actually prefer the mage quest. I feel like it sets up a friendship for Dorian with Lavellan that wouldn't happen otherwise because let's face it - he's a Tevinter mage that kept her people as slaves. She'll always like Cole, but it takes a near-death experience for her to warm up to Dorian. Plus Leliana is a BAMF in the future. A scarey, horrifying BAMF.

 

And I can't kill Alistair's mom guys I'm so weak.


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I really liked Cole's role in the templar quest a lot more than Dorian's in the mage quest (though I do find time traveling stories fun), too.  That also pushed me to bring him around more often, since his connection with my Lavellan felt a lot more personal- he saved her on a personal level, instead of just arriving at Haven.  She saw firsthand his desire and ability to help people, and understood him more.

 

 My first choice was for the mages, but I went back later to do the templar side just to see what was different. Both quests are pretty neat, but I preferred the mages - not just for the mission itself, not just because Dorian is an awesome time traveling companion, but in the end? When everyone is singing after Haven and you see Cole sitting there by Roderick as he passes away? It was just too powerful. I can't even explain why. It just didn't feel the same with Dorian in that place.

 

I know it's a strange reason... but mages forever for me. :P


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Sometimes I feel like the only one who likes Fiona, aha...  Which is why I'm going to have a very hard time doing the templar side, if I ever do.  If I do, it'll only be to see the Cole stuff, most likely.



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I just realized something.. In the final romance scene.. There's no way we could have travel in a day just for him to show you something. Did Solas break up with in the fade? And he mentioned after the first romance kiss that things are easier for him in the fade. But then again he can physically remove your vallaslin. I'm confused.

 

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I really enjoyed Calpernia + I got a reason not to initially fear Cole even if playing a non-mage so Templars = win for me (I conscript them tho).

 

Any of you guys sent Calpernia back home to liberate slaves or you guys just killed her ?


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No.  I did not remove it.  So you're not alone.  It's only for the female Lavellan - he trusts/respects her enough to tell her.  It's the gift he gives you as his love interest...I think all of them have one.  As to why I didn't remove it: Her angry option "I say no to you altering my face...".  That's my feelings wrapped up in a nutshell.  She was Dalish and a clan member longer than she was with Solas.  To do an about face after a 1 min. conversation about it is totally bizarre.  Like he loves her for being this self-assured and confident woman but when he tells her about the vallaslin she gets all weepy and is like 'I BELIEVE YOU.  TAKE AWAY MY IDENTITY'.  I couldn't do it.  It made no sense with my headcanon character.  If he didn't like it he could just take a hike...oh wait. This is not to say that people that did remove it are stupid or insane, I understand why they would. It's a beautiful scene and really well done. And sad.  Oh elf-egg.

I removed my Lavellan's vallaslin and then regretted doing so. It just likes removing a part of my character and with Solas's disappear add to her emptiness  :unsure: I couldn't get over the last balcony scene when my Lavellan turning around and expecting "someone" behind her but only see her friends and colleagues, it was both sad and heart-warming at the same time. At least she still have her friends with her. 

Now I reload the game and plan to keep the vallaslin and undo my mistakes. For some reasons, I made Cassandra divine and she messes things up right after  (I love you Cass but you're a poor divine)  :lol: 


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Awww...I actually prefer the mage quest. I feel like it sets up a friendship for Dorian with Lavellan that wouldn't happen otherwise because let's face it - he's a Tevinter mage that kept her people as slaves. She'll always like Cole, but it takes a near-death experience for her to warm up to Dorian. Plus Leliana is a BAMF in the future. A scarey, horrifying BAMF.

 

This.

 

I just did the Templar quest with my Trevelyan and while it also has it's moments (and Ser Barris is just awesome) I still prefer the mage quest. I just love the whole dark future timeline and getting a glimpse of what you'll get if you fail. Plus, the "hold the line" scene is just heartbreaking (and yes, I got goosebumps when Leliana was saying reciting her prayers while making her last stand).

 

EDIT: Also, while I can't say I like Fiona (I'm just "okay" with her), I cannot bear the thought of fighting her. Especially knowing that she's

Spoiler

 

Also, Connor's fate if you side with the Templars: You hear from the storyteller in Redcliffe that he's being possessed by a Desire Demon. :(



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 My first choice was for the mages, but I went back later to do the templar side just to see what was different. Both quests are pretty neat, but I preferred the mages - not just for the mission itself, not just because Dorian is an awesome time traveling companion, but in the end? When everyone is singing after Haven and you see Cole sitting there by Roderick as he passes away? It was just too powerful. I can't even explain why. It just didn't feel the same with Dorian in that place.

 

I know it's a strange reason... but mages forever for me. :P

 

I agree that it's a lot more powerful (and makes more sense) for Cole to be consoling and tending to Roderick as he dies.  I would have preferred for Cole to take Dorian's place in that scene.

 

Sometimes I feel like the only one who likes Fiona, aha...  Which is why I'm going to have a very hard time doing the templar side, if I ever do.  If I do, it'll only be to see the Cole stuff, most likely.

 

I'm pretty indifferent to Fiona.  I haven't read any of the Dragon Age books (yet), so all I know about her is in the game and from the wiki/forums.


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Sometimes I feel like the only one who likes Fiona, aha...  Which is why I'm going to have a very hard time doing the templar side, if I ever do.  If I do, it'll only be to see the Cole stuff, most likely.

 

Nah Fiona is awesome and I really wish we could have done more in the game to mend her image on the pro-Mage side of things, especially if there was something we could have done to smooth things over between her and Alistair?

 

Plus for a woman who was born in the Blessed Age, she still looks incredible. :P


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I tend to agree that there is something about the Inquisitor that is special, regardless of race. Particularly because Cole's dialog about Quizzie being "bright" comes up no matter what (right? Unless I'm wrong. If so this whole post is trash). I wish I knew if Kieran comments about "choosing that form" for everyone, or if that is elf-exclusive. I would love if someone would compile that scene for all the races and all the options into one video.

 

Anyway figuring out what it is about the Inquisitor that makes them special... is more difficult. Especially since I can't decide if that stuff Cole says is for flavor or actually going to be relevant. And then is an elven Inquisitor more special, or does the explanation have to apply to all races? If the latter, things become more difficult since Dwarves are not supposed to be connected to the Fade at all and Qunari generally avoid it. Of course they both are due to the mark, but Cole's lines seem to suggest that Quizzie was always the way they are after the mark. Cole's romance banter says "You're real" not "You became real," as if she were always real. So what could be something that makes someone "bright" that can apply to everyone...?

 

I have absolutely no idea. Could it be something spiritual, like Quizzie is a spirit of X made real like Cole? That seems like too literal a use of the words "spirit" and "real," in the dialogue, plus I'm not sure people would like playing a "fake" character.  Were they actually chosen by Andraste or the Maker? That seems unlikely as well, given that BW wants to keep the Maker's nature a secret. Did the lyrium give birth to you? That is just my complete crack theory xD  Like I said, no idea. Hope it is elaborated on in the future.

 

The Anchor probably did something, but I don't think the Inquisitor is a spirit-turned-real.  While apparently possible (oh hi Cole), we know the Inquisitor has a family, etc. because we hear about it.  He/she didn't just materialize into Thedas out of thin air (though that could have been an interesting plotline).

 

Solas does use the word "spirit" specifically, and I wonder, as others have mentioned, if the natural state of being is actually to be one part spirit, one part flesh-and-blood, which the sundering of the Fade from reality has caused to be impossible.

 

Contrary to what others have speculated in-thread about spirits not even existing pre-Fade, Solas paints a picture of them being "as common as grass."  It's possible Solas may have once been a spirit, and he can certainly see things others don't.  So when he says the Inquisitor has a unique spirit, I'd take him at his word.

 

As for being chosen of Andraste or the Maker, I think that's up to the player to decide.  They will never answer that question directly, because faith is a personal issue.  I think the Inquisitor is more of a Chosen of Fen'harel, and that is mostly by accident.

 

I've been thinking something similar to this, since a Mage Inquisitor can comment during the Fade!Haven scene that the Fade has never looked so "real" in any of their previous visits there, which Solas comments on as being unusual? It makes me wonder if the Anchor somehow allows them to have a foot in both the real world and the Fade at the same time?

 

It makes me wonder if the Anchor has also made even non-mage Inquisitors into some kind of hedge-mage, as they seem to subconsciously know how to use it on sheer instinct as the magic works through them? And if perhaps they're also somehow bleeding some of the Fade into Thedas with it, possibly allowing them to manipulate reality outside of the Fade, at least on some small scale?

 

It would explain some of times they survived things that all logic says they shouldn't have, which the Inquisitor seems to chalk up to "divine bad luck".

 

The anchor almost certainly has something to do with it, perhaps being a catalyst for this change.  Or perhaps the Inquisitor was already special (or became such because the player is controlling him/her as madrar suggested?).

 

The fact that the mark is called "the Anchor" ought to give us some concept of what it is and does, but really it doesn't.  An anchor keeps a ship in place--or some other item.  So, an interesting perspective might be that the Inquisitor is either being held in place by the Anchor, or that the Inquisitor is actually anchoring the Veil.


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This.

 

I just did the Templar quest with my Trevelyan and while it also has it's moments (and Ser Barris is just awesome) I still prefer the mage quest. I just love the whole dark future timeline and getting a glimpse of what you'll get if you fail. Plus, the "hold the line" scene is just heartbreaking (and yes, I got goosebumps when Leliana was saying reciting her prayers while making her last stand).

 

For two games I disliked Leliana. Never connected with her at all for some reason. Then I got to the mage quest and she was so... not taking it. Not gonna take any BS from the guard, not going to take any BS from Dorian, not gonna take any BS from you, the mages, the demons, no one. She's gone through stuff that would break anyone else and she's 100% done and 100% going to be the one to help fix it. :wub:



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Just played through the breakup scene on my completionist playthrough. Wow, that hurt worse than the first time. I'm so attached to this Lavellan... it's so hard to see her look so sad, especially after looking so shy/ happy  :crying:

 

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It's like best to worst date in 3 min.


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I just realized something.. In the final romance scene.. There's no way we could have travel in a day just for him to show you something. Did Solas break up with in the fade? And he mentioned after the first romance kiss that things are easier for him in the fade. But then again he can physically remove your vallaslin. I'm confused.

 

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Yeah that's kind of the joke since it means that Lavellan would have had to walk home by herself.



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Also, Connor's fate if you side with the Templars: You hear from the storyteller in Redcliffe that he's being possessed by a Desire Demon. :(

 

That poor kid can't catch a break.


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I really enjoyed Calpernia + I got a reason not to initially fear Cole even if playing a non-mage so Templars = win for me (I conscript them tho).

 

Any of you guys sent Calpernia back home to liberate slaves or you guys just killed her ?

 

I sent her home.  I really got into her quest chain, and having Dorian along for the Well of Sorrows helped convince me that she should live.  If anything, she's a bit of an idealist like him, just a really misguided one.

 

Also my Lavellan has a habit of sparing people the sword even when it could seriously bite her in the ass later on.


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I think they actually went to that place, because Sera does mention you leaving with Solas and coming back and Solas also talks about the veil being thin. I like to think he waited for her nearby and they had the most awkward silent days walk back to Skyhold that ever could be had.


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Nah Fiona is awesome and I really wish we could have done more in the game to mend her image on the pro-Mage side of things, especially if there was something we could have done to smooth things over between her and Alistair?

 

Plus for a woman who was born in the Blessed Age, she still looks incredible. :P

 

Yeah, I just felt bad for her, she knew she had screwed up.  It wasn't entirely her fault either considering the time magic business, and she was stuck with the desperate situation of trying to save the mages in a no-win situation.  She does go on to build the new College of Enchanters, so I don't think her image was too tarnished.  And yeah, I  was hoping something could be done about her and Alistair, but I can understand why not. 

 

AHAHA, I know!  I was like, "wow Fiona, you've sure aged well". :lol:


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