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[Shari'El]

I hear you and you're right; but isn't that a bit selfish? (I know Solas selfishness/selfless debate has been brought up quite a bit) Please don't understand that I'm calling you selfish, I'm talking about Solas, I woudln't dare to give an opinion on your personal life. I mean, he loves you but he can't be with you and also he doesn't want to be the one to tell you so (I guess our poor egg's mind is a mess) So what does he do? Muster his courage and tell you that you should definitely stop? No, he waits until you're the one to break it; and if you don't do, he waits until he can't delay the breakup no more.

 

Dammit I'm feeling bad for him now xD 

 

Oh yes it is selfish and at the same time isn't.

I was deeply conflicted about it, at some point I even thought that maybe I can just pretend forever (but I am really extreme, I really don't like hurting people so I go to great lengths to avoid it. What usually happens is that it backfires at some point or that I just hate myself for doing something I don't want to do. Sometimes it even works out and everything turns out great butthatrarelyhappens).

He is a person, he can have flaws, I think it adds to his character. He knows he was selfish (if you speak with him after the breakup and get mad at him he says he was selfish and that you deserve better, maybe he even mentions it more than once, I can't really recall).

 

 

Edit: some part of me wonders if he has hope that it may work out at the end, maybe he is deluding himself so he can stay selfish with her.

[Vorathrad]

I wonder if this is some sort of foreshadowing...

 

End game spoilers

Spoiler

Flemythal speaks with Solas, she then falls after he absorbs her soul/powers.

'Go to him'... Go to Solas?

'The calling' - a way to hint that the blight relates to the elven gods? Or perhaps it's there to confuse - maybe hinting that the Inqi will find Solas using the voices of the well?

 

DLC CONFIRMED.

 

 

I'm spewing nonsense all over the place.

 

"Go to him" I wonder are the voices telling

Spoiler

Mythal to go to him (Solas, I think) or whoever drank from the well?

[MidgetNemo]

Yes, the calling bothers me.  Though we already know that the calling is linked to gods and the exertion of their will.  So if Mythal has fallen and now she is Calling ... who is she calling to and what are her plans?

 

I think that Solas did take over Mythal in the end, but I severely doubt she is gone.  I think it is more likely that she sent a part of her into the eluvian for safe keeping before he even got there.  So how does that match up with the Calling?  Was she planting the seeds of her control in the world before she took the long sleep with the rest of her kin? 

 

Gods.  I swear.  Both Fen'harel and Mythal are master manipulators and I can't imagine either of them gaining the upper hand on the other.  It is more likely that they both reached this conclusion.  Fen'harel knew he would be forced to do this and Mythal knew that too.  So what did she do to make it work towards her advantage?  Because there is no way that that the vengeful "She was betrayed as I was betrayed as the World was betrayed!" woman from earlier is not going to have her cake and eat it too.

Although I do wonder,what if Fen´Harel and Mythal have been working together all this time and agreed on allowing one of them to absorb the power of the the other should they fail to obtain the orb?

[Eivuwan]

Although I do wonder,what if Fen´Harel and Mythal have been working together all this time and agreed on allowing one of them to absorb the power of the the other should they fail to obtain the orb?

 

I thought that was obviously the case. You would think one or the other would put up a fight if he/she were unwilling.

[Vorathrad]

Although I do wonder,what if Fen´Harel and Mythal have been working together all this time and agreed on allowing one of them to absorb the power of the the other should they fail to obtain the orb?

 

I'm pretty convinced that this is what happened, save that I think they agreed that Solas had to be the one absorbing (that didn't sound right...) It seems that whatever he has to do, it can't be done by anyone else.

 

Edit: some part of me wonders if he has hope that it may work out at the end, maybe he is deluding himself so he can stay selfish with her.

 

I think is part delaying what he doesn't want to do and part hoping that once he gets the orb it will work out... somehow.

[Shari'El]

"Go to him" I wonder are the voices telling

Spoiler

Mythal to go to him (Solas, I think) or whoever drank from the well?

 

Spoiler

Can't the voices speak with Mythal? Why would they speak to the Inquisitor with that content?

Me thinks that If it is telling Mythal to go to him then it should be 

'Go to him'

'She speaks'

'She's fallen'

Instead of 'Go to him' being last, or perhaps even 'She goes to him'.

 

The voices whisper 'Mythal' silently through the entire thing, so it may be read

'Myhtal, she speaks'

'Mythal, she's fallen'

'Myhtal, go to him'

So Flemeth speaks, Flemeth falls, Mythal should hunt 'him' down?

 

I have no idea.

All that makes me think that the voices do tell the Inquisitor to go & find Solas.

Unless 'him' is a different person, but right now Solas is the only male I can think of with big enough importance that the voices will speak of. There are other gods, yes, but they are all trapped.

Corypheous is no threat compared to Solas (plus he is a rather easy last boss battle /cough), so I can't imagine the voices speaking about him, and if they do why go to him? 

 

Oh oh oh let's search for hidden messages within the hidden messages!

Maybe play back part of the conversation!

Maybe read it from top down

S h e s p e a k s

S h e s f  a  l   l e n

G o t o h  i  m

C a l  l  i  n  g

T h e C a l   l   i n g

 

Ssgct hhoat eetle ssolc pfhia eainl almgl kll sen ng

Now we need to record this and play it backwards! 

[Shari'El]

Although I do wonder,what if Fen´Harel and Mythal have been working together all this time and agreed on allowing one of them to absorb the power of the the other should they fail to obtain the orb?

 

To be honest I felt like that as well, especially since they both tell each other they are sorry before Flemeth turns to stone. Flemeth called him old friend.

[Arahnea]

Damn, I was all like "yeah let's dive in that well this playthrough" but after watching the creepy clip... no effing way!!

[Avejajed]

I look at their relationship the way I look at all ultimately tragic love stories.

Love can be healing, wonderful, fulfilling.

But a lot of times it's desperate, unforgiving, vengeful, and ruins lives.

We've all been in relationships our friends disapproved of, right? Relationships we knew were doomed? But we couldn't help ourselves because lust/love/need is too powerful.

To Solas I think Lavellan is a distraction he can not afford, but he wants her so much, how can he not indulge.

This cupcake is really really bad for me but I'm gonna eat it anyway.

I just think that's why he says we shouldn't be doing this.

No, neither one of them really needs the distraction and Solas especially has reasons why this is a totally horrible idea (who do you think a bunch of just released pissed off Gods are going to come after first? Fen'harels love of his life? Yep.) so they really shouldn't do this but they have to because that feeling of desire is too strong.

It says something for Solas focus if he can pull away just when shits about to get real serious.

[Cheerios789]

To be honest I felt like that as well, especially since they both tell each other they are sorry before Flemeth turns to stone. Flemeth called him old friend.

 

See I don't think they were in communication with each other prior to that scene. 

 

If you imagine the events of the story as a massive game of chess, then I think Solas knew what was going on with Mythal the same way she knew about him.  By simply observing the world and piecing the unwritten story together.  I think they both independently reached this conclusion and it led them to that moment.  I don't think there was betrayal or treachery in that last scene, but instead a finality and inevitability.  They both knew it would lead here and they were both sorry and saddened by it, but it had to be done.  Now I don't think Mythal is over and I doubt Solas thinks she is either.  I mean he has to know her better than we do and I don't think any of us think she is gone for good. 

[Ajna]

 

Spoiler

Can't the voices speak with Mythal? Why would they speak to the Inquisitor with that content?

Me thinks that If it is telling Mythal to go to him then it should be 

'Go to him'

'She speaks'

'She's fallen'

Instead of 'Go to him' being last, or perhaps even 'She goes to him'.

 

The voices whisper 'Mythal' silently through the entire thing, so it may be read

'Myhtal, she speaks'

'Mythal, she's fallen'

'Myhtal, go to him'

So Flemeth speaks, Flemeth falls, Mythal should hunt 'him' down?

 

I have no idea.

All that makes me think that the voices do tell the Inquisitor to go & find Solas.

Unless 'him' is a different person, but right now Solas is the only male I can think of with big enough importance that the voices will speak of. There are other gods, yes, but they are all trapped.

Corypheous is no threat compared to Solas (plus he is a rather easy last boss battle /cough), so I can't imagine the voices speaking about him, and if they do why go to him? 

 

Oh oh oh let's search for hidden messages within the hidden messages!

Maybe play back part of the conversation!

Maybe read it from top down

S h e s p e a k s

S h e s f  a  l   l e n

G o t o h  i  m

C a l  l  i  n  g

T h e C a l   l   i n g

 

Ssgct hhoat eetle ssolc pfhia eainl almgl kll sen ng

Now we need to record this and play it backwards! 

 

 

Solas is the only male I can think of period right now, I think I need help.

[Cheerios789]

I look at their relationship the way I look at all ultimately tragic love stories.

Love can be healing, wonderful, fulfilling.

But a lot of times it's desperate, unforgiving, vengeful, and ruins lives.

We've all been in relationships our friends disapproved of, right? Relationships we knew were doomed? But we couldn't help ourselves because lust/love/need is too powerful.

To Solas I think Lavellan is a distraction he can not afford, but he wants her so much, how can he not indulge.

This cupcake is really really bad for me but I'm gonna eat it anyway.

I just think that's why he says we shouldn't be doing this.

No, neither one of them really needs the distraction and Solas especially has reasons why this is a totally horrible idea (who do you think a bunch of just released pissed off Gods are going to come after first? Fen'harels love of his life? Yep.) so they really shouldn't do this but they have to because that feeling of desire is too strong.

It says something for Solas focus if he can pull away just when shits about to get real serious.

 

It's so good.  I'm all raw and sad after my last playthrough.

 

I think it is telling that Solas repeats the sentiment of "I want you to know that what we had was real."  It just sounds so desperate and final.  Like she truly is his "heart" and the only decent and true thing he feels like he has done.  Or maybe it's because Lavellan will know who he is and that's inevitable and Solas wants her to know that that, at least, is not a lie. 

 

I'm so glad it's rainy here ... I need the weather to reflect my glorious melancholy. 

[Shari'El]

See I don't think they were in communication with each other prior to that scene. 

 

If you imagine the events of the story as a massive game of chess, then I think Solas knew what was going on with Mythal the same way she knew about him.  By simply observing the world and piecing the unwritten story together.  I think they both independently reached this conclusion and it led them to that moment.  I don't think there was betrayal or treachery in that last scene, but instead a finality and inevitability.  They both knew it would lead here and they were both sorry and saddened by it, but it had to be done.  Now I don't think Mythal is over and I doubt Solas thinks she is either.  I mean he has to know her better than we do and I don't think any of us think she is gone for good. 

 

I don't think they were communicating as well, the occurrences in the world are pretty self explanatory for them.

I think it was a decision they took upon themselves as part of a greater plan.

[drake2511]

Wait, wait, wait, back up. 

 

I just caught up on the thread since I just finished my canon completionist PT.  Ps.  Ouch, my heart.  Why is it out of my chest?

 

Anyways, someone found out what the voices from the well were saying?

 

"She speaks, she's fallen."  "Go to him?"

 

And the whole time they are whispering "Mythal"

 

Mythal is fallen?  Is this referencing how crazy vengeful Flemythal is?  Ugh, I need more.  This is my addiction and you people are enablers.

 

I love you, don't ever stop.

 

 

If Mythal is fallen, maybe it was Solas who took over her in the last scene, and he did it to stop her? I don't see her as an evil figure though. Knowing what we know now, I don't even think doing the ritual in Origins is such a "dark" thing, too.

Mmh. DLC. Now.

 

 

See I don't think they were in communication with each other prior to that scene. 

 

If you imagine the events of the story as a massive game of chess, then I think Solas knew what was going on with Mythal the same way she knew about him.  By simply observing the world and piecing the unwritten story together.  I think they both independently reached this conclusion and it led them to that moment.  I don't think there was betrayal or treachery in that last scene, but instead a finality and inevitability.  They both knew it would lead here and they were both sorry and saddened by it, but it had to be done.  Now I don't think Mythal is over and I doubt Solas thinks she is either.  I mean he has to know her better than we do and I don't think any of us think she is gone for good. 

 

This is what I thought when I watched the ending, and how I imagine a relationship between two ancient powerful being would be.

Modifié par drake2511, 23 décembre 2014 - 12:36 .

[Shari'El]

Solas is the only male I can think of period right now, I think I need help.

 

I uhh...

Feel the same 

It probably ruins my judgement when interpreting these whispers.

 

Maybe we should open a thread and ask for opinions?

Though I seriously doubt there are any people more capable with interpreting this than the dwellers and lurkers of this thread, it's a lore & theory based thread >_<

Plus, I think we are the most passionate when it comes to interpreting the clues in DAI (because we have an egg-shaped motivation)

[Shari'El]

If Mythal is fallen, maybe it was Solas who took over her in the last scene, and he did it to stop her? I don't see her as an evil figure though. Knowing what we know now, I don't even think doing the ritual in Origins is such a "dark" thing, too.

 

Fallen in what manner? Corrupted?

[Ajna]

I uhh...

Feel the same 

It probably ruins my judgement when interpreting these whispers.

 

Maybe we should open a thread and ask for opinions?

Though I seriously doubt there are any people more capable with interpreting this than the dwellers and lurkers of this thread, it's a lore & theory based thread >_<

Plus, I think we are the most passionate when it comes to interpreting the clues in DAI (because we have an egg-shaped motivation)

 

We need madrar...like right now.

[Addai]

Keep in mind that there are other mythical forces out there, too, trying to get back into the world. If Fen'Harel woke up, others probably did as well. I'm not even going to try to guess what's going on, since I didn't see the Solas and Mythal thing coming.

[zambixi]

Although I do wonder,what if Fen´Harel and Mythal have been working together all this time and agreed on allowing one of them to absorb the power of the the other should they fail to obtain the orb?

 

I'm interested to see how much of this is Mythal's doing. I made a tongue-in-cheek Tumblr post that Flemythal is the only one keeping Thedas from disaster because she directly saves the protagonist in all three games now, but on a certain level she really does come off as a puppet-master. The only way poor Morrigan can get ahead of her is to go to an entirely different world for a few years to raise her son, and barely a few months after her return Flemythal has found them again. So I think it's safe to say that Flemythal knows exactly what the Dread Wolf does and has a pretty good idea of how to turn it to her advantage. She may even have had a hand in waking him up.

 

But I don't think they were working together from the start. The conversation in front of the Eluvian at the end is not the conversation of two people that have been in close contact with one another. Why is Flemythal talking about the orb, when Cory has had the orb for years? I doubt Flemythal would have ever suggested giving the orb from Cory, as she is far more familiar with that part of history than Solas seems to be. Flemythal is measured and patient; she makes small moves that have a big impact (rescuing the Wardens from atop the tower, sending Morrigan with them on their journey). She does not do flashy, and I cannot see her going along with giving an ancient elvhen artifact to a corrupted, blighted God.

 

So could Solas have contacted her afterwards? Perhaps, but I still doubt it. He is surprised that Mythal is 'alive' when you enter the temple ("So Mythal endures"). If you drink from the Well he is upset, even if he does not particularly like the Inquisitor. If he does not respect the Inquisitor, he should be overjoyed that his partner-in-crime will now direct them in a way that's advantageous to his plan. Or he would know that Flemythal would want nothing more than to control her daughter and encourage Morrigan to drink. Either way, if he were planning at that point to combine with Mythal then what would it matter who drank from the well? He could always release them later.

 

I think that whatever happened in the post-credit scene is either the end of a well-thought out plan by Flemythal or a spur-of-the-moment decision on Solas' part. Since Mythal has thus far shown to be the much better manipulator, I feel more comfortable leaning towards the idea that whatever happened at the Eluvians, Flemythal was the one in control even if Solas believed otherwise.

[Shari'El]

Keep in mind that there are other mythical forces out there, too, trying to get back into the world. If Fen'Harel woke up, others probably did as well. I'm not even going to try to guess what's going on, since I didn't see the Solas and Mythal thing coming.

 

Pffffffffffffft (read that as: valid point, obviously, but I really like the idea it's about Solas because that way it hints that Inqi will search for Solas) 

[drake2511]

Fallen in what manner? Corrupted?

 

Yes, like vengeful and creepy.

[Vorathrad]

If Mythal is fallen, maybe it was Solas who took over her in the last scene, and he did it to stop her? I don't see her as an evil figure though. Knowing what we know now, I don't even think doing the ritual in Origins is such a "dark" thing, too.

Mmh. DLC. Now.

 

 

 

This is what I thought when I watched the ending, and how I imagine a relationship between two ancient powerful being would be.

 

Maybe they didn't plan it war table style, but on the last scene it seems that Mythal is waiting for him. Perhaps she already knew that he would go there, she seems to be able to see into the future, but I'm more inclined to think they somehow agreed on meeting there.

[Ajna]

Flemeth has always been creepy and vengeful..

 

Varric: "You can't just forgive someone for murdering you"

Solas: "A spirit can"

[Ajna]

Maybe he was saving Mythal from Flemeth by seperating them...*shrug*, I dunno.

[Addai]

Maybe they didn't plan it war table style, but on the last scene it seems that Mythal is waiting for him. Perhaps she already knew that he would go there, she seems to be able to see into the future, but I'm more inclined to think they somehow agreed on meeting there.

My interpretation is that Solas realized Mythal was alive when he saw the Temple sanctuary still intact, and likewise Mythal learned that Fen'Harel had returned through Morrigan or the Inquisitor drinking the Well and putting it together from their thoughts (edit: or more likely from the orb falling into Corypheus' hands). From there Solas and Flemythal found each other, maybe at Solas' eluvian (wherever that is).