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Flemeth has always been creepy and vengeful..

 

Varric: "You can't just forgive someone for murdering you"

Solas: "A spirit can"

 

 

Flemeth, yes, but Mythal probably wasn't always like this. Don't know if it makes sense :lol:
 

 

Maybe they didn't plan it war table style, but on the last scene it seems that Mythal is waiting for him. Perhaps she already knew that he would go there, she seems to be able to see into the future, but I'm more inclined to think they somehow agreed on meeting there.

 

 

Well, they surely didn't seem surprised to see each other. She's touching the Eluvian when he gets there, I wonder what she's doing.

 

Sashimi_taco could make a new thread with the video she made, I agree! I'm always thinking !SOLAS! when we get new info to speculate about XD I'd like to hear what others think! (Not that I'm not interested in what you guys think, you know this right? I live for in this thread lol)



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Oh yes it is selfish and at the same time isn't.
I was deeply conflicted about it, at some point I even thought that maybe I can just pretend forever (but I am really extreme, I really don't like hurting people so I go to great lengths to avoid it. What usually happens is that it backfires at some point or that I just hate myself for doing something I don't want to do. Sometimes it even works out and everything turns out great :D butthatrarelyhappens).
He is a person, he can have flaws, I think it adds to his character. He knows he was selfish (if you speak with him after the breakup and get mad at him he says he was selfish and that you deserve better, maybe he even mentions it more than once, I can't really recall).


Edit: some part of me wonders if he has hope that it may work out at the end, maybe he is deluding himself so he can stay selfish with her.


I kinda felt it myself that he is selfish because maybe he has this little hope inside him that they will be together or it could be he just cant bear the thought of being alone but whatever it was he went out of his way to reassure her that despite him leaving her he does love her and care for her.

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By the way, I'm not sure if anyone spoke about it before but why do you think that the quest at the Temple of Mythal is called "What Pride had Wrought"?

 

Spoiler

 

Mmm?


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What if Mythal is already corrupted by some other unknown evil being (or the blight? My theory needs work) and by taking Mythal over (maybe that was the plan all along, that Mythal would help Solas if the orb plan failed) and something evil go to her first so when Solas absorbed Mythals power or whatever instead he absorbed a terrible evil.

Nevermind this theory sucks. :(

Also I'm on my phone and it sucks. Especially they updated my google app and I don't know how to use the damn thing now.

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Sashimi_taco could make a new thread with the video she made, I agree! I'm always thinking !SOLAS! when we get new info to speculate about XD I'd like to hear what others think! (Not that I'm not interested in what you guys think, you know this right? I live for in this thread lol)

 

Let's bother her until she yields!

 

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By the way, I'm not sure if anyone spoke about it before but why do you think that the quest at the Temple of Mythal is called "What Pride had Wrought"?

 

Spoiler

 

Mmm?

mind_blown.gif
 

 

Let's bother her until she yields!

 

 

lol  you make me feel so evil


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What if Mythal is already corrupted by some other unknown evil being (or the blight? My theory needs work) and by taking Mythal over (maybe that was the plan all along, that Mythal would help Solas if the orb plan failed) and something evil go to her first so when Solas absorbed Mythals power or whatever instead he absorbed a terrible evil.

Nevermind this theory sucks. :(

 

I don't like the idea of this theory, so....

No :(

 

Please, no.


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Flemeth, yes, but Mythal probably wasn't always like this. Don't know if it makes sense :lol:
 

 

 

 

Well, they surely didn't seem surprised to see each other. She's touching the Eluvian when he gets there, I wonder what she's doing.

 

Sashimi_taco could make a new thread with the video she made, I agree! I'm always thinking !SOLAS! when we get new info to speculate about XD I'd like to hear what others think! (Not that I'm not interested in what you guys think, you know this right? I live for in this thread lol)

 

That's what I mean, we know Mythal as the all mother, the protector, what if merging with Flemeth "corrupted" her from her true nature.  Yes, it's very Anders/Justice, but we were given Anders/Justice for a reason.  And we're also shown that spirits can forgive murder.  I don't really know where I'm going with this...


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That's what I mean, we know Mythal as the all mother, the protector, what if merging with Flemeth "corrupted" her from her true nature.  Yes, it's very Anders/Justice, but we were given Anders/Justice for a reason.  And we're also shown that spirits can forgive murder.  I don't really know where I'm going with this...


It's entirely possible. This game makes it clear how spirit gets corrupted, it gets said more than once. Could be foreshadowing?


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It's entirely possible. This game makes it clear how spirit gets corrupted, it gets said more than once. Could be foreshadowing?

 

 

That's what I mean, we know Mythal as the all mother, the protector, what if merging with Flemeth "corrupted" her from her true nature.  Yes, it's very Anders/Justice, but we were given Anders/Justice for a reason.  And we're also shown that spirits can forgive murder.  I don't really know where I'm going with this...

 

I remember someone on this thread mentioned that Mythal also as an aspect of bringing justice down on her people. According to the "Judgment of Mythal" codex in the wiki:

 

"Some petitioning Mythal for justice hid jealousy, accusing those who had done them no wrong. She saw their lies, and struck them down. Others petitioning Mythal for justice burned with wrath for imagined slights. She saw their weak hearts, and struck them down. Those coming to her with clear minds and open hearts were granted judgment and protection, and Mythal harried their enemies until the end of their days."

 

And we have already seen Justice turned into Vengeance; which makes me doubt: having such a clear precedent in Anders, would they (the writers) use this very same motif again?



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Just got a tumblr. Need good Solas/Dragon Age blogs to follow. GO.



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ok here is a thought. in flemeths grimoire. morrigan states that flemeth wants her body. what if there was originally a mage andraste, who switches bodies becomes mythal and then flemeth? shartan becomes fen harel then solas? if you drink at the well instead of morrigan he gives you grief. when flemeth talks about mythal,she talks of betrayal (aka) maferath? if an li for solas maybe solas knew he would need the power from the well eventually by any means necessary even death. so he is kinda glad the inquisitor did not drink from the well. if you went that route. possibly looking to free the gods, he absorbs flemeth soul to make sure she stays safe until he can safely free her. as a soul needs a willing body. just a weird thought.



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Hello solanite  :lol:

 

*Ahem*

 

Just wondering in here....

 

I'm having a bug-crash with Solas personal quest . the one where ya save his 'friend'...

 

Anyone else getting that ? I have done it before..and it went just fine . Now I try and crash at the same place on and on . 

 

I though I ask the Solanite fan if they know anything since that personal quest is important to his Vromance....



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Hello solanite  :lol:

 

*Ahem*

 

Just wondering in here....

 

I'm having a bug-crash with Solas personal quest . the one where ya save his 'friend'...

 

Anyone else getting that ? I have done it before..and it went just fine . Now I try and crash at the same place on and on . 

 

I though I ask the Solanite fan if they know anything since that personal quest is important to his Vromance....

I think something similar happened to me too, I couldn´t get it to trigger when I got there so I just reloaded until it worked :)



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Hello solanite  :lol:

 

*Ahem*

 

Just wondering in here....

 

I'm having a bug-crash with Solas personal quest . the one where ya save his 'friend'...

 

Anyone else getting that ? I have done it before..and it went just fine . Now I try and crash at the same place on and on . 

 

I though I ask the Solanite fan if they know anything since that personal quest is important to his Vromance....

 

The quest bugged on me too, and I'm on xbox. 

 

First, I had to take off the controller vibration because that kept glitching during that quest. Then I had to reload way back and come into the area from a different way, because that seemed to be an issue. Don't approach from the side of the Dalish camp- try it from the other side, along the lake. I had to reload it several times to get it to work. The first time I did it worked great for me as well.



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I think something similar happened to me too, I couldn´t get it to trigger when I got there so I just reloaded until it worked :)

The quest does trigger just fine . I get the cutscene..it is during destroying the pillar that the game close..without warning . I reload..and it happen again and again ....

 

wich suck..cose I was having a blast....



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I may be remembering it all wrong but I got the impression Mythal was always a spirit of justice, rather than the protector.    Now the Dalish teach that Elganan (spelling could be wrong) was meant to be god of vengeance whom Mythal was able to subdue and calm.   So I wondered if in fact they were two aspects of the same god/sprit.

 

Mythal wants revenge for her murder.   She did before she merged with Flemeth but was not powerful enough in spirit form.   She was drawn to Flemeth because she also wanted vengeance against the murderer and deceiver of her lover.    The spirit Mythal gave Flemeth her long life and over the course of this her power grew, fuelled by Mythal.   That's my take on it any way.

 

Whatever occurred in the past, Mythal does not hold a grudge against Solas/Fen Harel.    If the scholars are right and he was more a god of rebellion, may be it was the murder of Mythal that ultimately focussed his resolve.    He goes to her because he does not have the strength to do what he wants on his on.    A joining of these two entities gives greater power but at the loss of individuality.     I think Anders/Justice could have been a foreshadowing  this relationship.    Justice gave Anders the focus and drive to work for a rebellion against the status quo but Anders' passionate hatred of the system meant that Justice became Vengeance.   So in absorbing Mythal and her desire for revenge, Solas has a greater potential for dark deeds.

 

Do you suppose that there is an orb somewhere that belongs to Mythal?     I just been discussing the orb again with Solas and he says how it is a focus of power and that there were others, each dedicated to a god.     I'm wondering if they act something like the one ring in that the god stores something of their power within it and so long as it exists the god cannot be truly killed.    So Mythal can keep coming back so long as her orb is safe.     If this theory holds true then Solas lost his immortality with the orb.      No doubt we'll find out eventually.


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I remember someone on this thread mentioned that Mythal also as an aspect of bringing justice down on her people. According to the "Judgment of Mythal" codex in the wiki:

"Some petitioning Mythal for justice hid jealousy, accusing those who had done them no wrong. She saw their lies, and struck them down. Others petitioning Mythal for justice burned with wrath for imagined slights. She saw their weak hearts, and struck them down. Those coming to her with clear minds and open hearts were granted judgment and protection, and Mythal harried their enemies until the end of their days."

And we have already seen Justice turned into Vengeance; which makes me doubt: having such a clear precedent in Anders, would they (the writers) use this very same motif again?


I suppose it would show that it can be fixed. I really don't know, I'd just not seen anyone discuss the possibility before. But the exchange in dialogue "I should be the one to pay the price, but The People need me" pretty much dropkicks that theory into the abyss. Carry on.

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Been reading some(oh, who am I kidding? LOTS!) fanfiction, and I just realized. Solas woke up, right? Not because Cory got the orb, probably - Flemeth says otherwise. But WHY did he woke up?

 

I'm thinking - guessing - it was Briala with her password to the Eluvians. Well, at least it's a theory - it could have been her.



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I suppose it would show that it can be fixed. I really don't know, I'd just not seen anyone discuss the possibility before. But the exchange in dialogue "I should be the one to pay the price, but The People need me" pretty much dropkicks that theory into the abyss. Carry on.

 

I'm referring to Flemeth/Mythal evolution, not in relation to Solas. I think it would be possible that when Mythal became part of Flemeth her justice aspect twisted into vengeance, and that doesn't have anything to do with Solas paying the price (which I think is giving up their power and their existence, at least as a separate physical entity) What I don't know is whether Solas absorbs this supposed vengeance aspect or just Mythal's power.



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I'm referring to Flemeth/Mythal evolution, not in relation to Solas. I think it would be possible that when Mythal became part of Flemeth her justice aspect twisted into vengeance, and that doesn't have anything to do with Solas paying the price (which I think is giving up their power and their existence, at least as a separate physical entity) What I don't know is whether Solas absorbs this supposed vengeance
aspect or just Mythal's power.


I like to think the vengeance aspect is a part of Flemeth, Wisdom became Wisdom again after being corrupted into Pride...

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Given Solas' remark "the people need me" prior to the "absorption" suggests to me that Flemeth was actually the one sacrificing. I JUST WANT SOLAS TO BE SOLAS NO MATTER WHAT.  :wub:


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Given Solas' remark "the people need me" prior to the "absorption" suggests to me that Flemeth was actually the one sacrificing. I JUST WANT SOLAS TO BE SOLAS NO MATTER WHAT.  :wub:

 

First thing first, welcome to this massive slumber party which is known as the Solas theory & admiration thread.

And I'm with you, that's we all rather believe.

 

Post game there is a hint that Solas is alive - talk with Cole, it seems like he is channeling Solas or something like that, we believe it means he must be alive ^^


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Hey Solanite !

 

well I was able to get past the crash , it may come in handy for ya so I though I let ya know . 

 

All I did was zoom in tactic and do the quest that way . And no crash at all .

 

Hope it help , and Thank ya ! 


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Uhm, so... The unfinished picture in Solas' room is a wolf towering over a dragon, right? And solas = wolf, flemythal = dragon. Right? Am I going mad? Should I get a life?


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