That idea really disturbs me XD
It makes me feel like my Lavellan's meaningless and she's just a vessel for my wills (and that being said - if he is aware of it then IMO he should be able to romance everybody XD)
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Going out of lurking mode to make a remark about that unfinished mural.
At the final scene there're two statues on the sides of eluvian:
These are Fen'Harel and Mythal I suppose. And they look just like figures on the mural. So I'd say at the mural we see alive wolf and not-so-alive dragon with the symbolic sword in it's back. Add a Cole "speaking Solas" and it looks like our precious Wolf is more alive than Mythal. The only thing I find odd is how have Solas managed to draw this mural after he left. Just a script hole maybe?
I don't know, he can't know for certain we'll win.
This specific wolf looks a bit dragonish and fiercer and since dragons & gods go together I assumed it's Solas.
The dragon looks like a dragon's foot to me, it may indeed not mean killing Flemeth but perhaps some other thing? Plus, what made us decide that he'll approach Flemeth only if the orb is broken?
Also, I sort of refuse to buy it's that simple XD, since this appears post-credits I figure it is a way to give us hint us of what happened, like the conversation with Cole.
It's incomplete and therefore seems like BW wants us to fill the blanks (they're evil like that).
I thought they might have done it to mess with us.
That is an excellent shot of it btw. Thanks for posting it.
I'm of mind he returned to Skyhold somehow after the fight and after the Flemythal thingy. Yes I know Leliana's report suggests that he was not to be found after the defeat, and everything seems to indicate that he did not come back with you. But that doesn't mean he didn't come back. Don't forget there's an Eluvian in Skyhold, and there was an activated Eluvian right there in the post credit scene. I think it's possible he used it to return quickly and unnoticed, and that's when he began this painting. Perhaps as a clue/warning or even a subtle cry for help, like he's wanting you to discover the truth so you can do something about it and stop him/save him, But ultimately, decided not to linger and finish it. The thing that makes me think he came back the most, however, is Cole. Outside of his own memory, he typically hears people's hurts in real time, no? And also they usually aren't too far away when he does it.
The only exception I can think of is the CS with the amulet. But in that one, he was focused on the amulet (nearby) to discover the pain that was interfering.
Though how heartbreaking would that be, that in the moment you're listening to Cole, Solas is walking out the gates (or possibly through the Eluvian). So close, but hopelessly out of reach.
Anyway, seeing it so clear now, I believe it is a wolf with a sword'd dragon also. I also think the relative size of the wolf to everything else is very important, but I'm not really sure why.
I don't know, he can't know for certain we'll win.
This specific wolf looks a bit dragonish and fiercer and since dragons & gods go together I assumed it's Solas.
The dragon looks like a dragon's foot to me, it may indeed not mean killing Flemeth but perhaps some other thing? Plus, what made us decide that he'll approach Flemeth only if the orb is broken?
Also, I sort of refuse to buy it's that simple XD, since this appears post-credits I figure it is a way to give us hint us of what happened, like the conversation with Cole.
It's incomplete and therefore seems like BW wants us to fill the blanks (they're evil like that).
I thought they might have done it to mess with us.
Isn't that the Inquisitor's sword? The one you get at your appointment and to chop off heads? I think it is symbolic of the dragon bowing down to the Inquisitor. That's why Solas was able to start it but not finish it before the final battle.
Isn't that the Inquisitor's sword? The one you get at your appointment and to chop off heads? I think it is symbolic of the dragon bowing down to the Inquisitor. That's why Solas was able to start it but not finish it before the final battle.
That´s what I thought as well, it being the inqusitors sword, maybe this is biowares way of hinting at a confrontation between Solas and the inquisitor?
Hello
Going out of lurking mode to make a remark about that unfinished mural.
At the final scene there're two statues on the sides of eluvian:
These are Fen'Harel and Mythal I suppose. And they look just like figures on the mural. So I'd say at the mural we see alive wolf and not-so-alive dragon with the symbolic sword in it's back. Add a Cole "speaking Solas" and it looks like our precious Wolf is more alive than Mythal. The only thing I find odd is how have Solas managed to draw this mural after he left. Just a script hole maybe?
Mmmm, to be honest - the status of Mythal is of a wounded dragon. It may not mean anything but the fact he planned on meeting her after the battle is over.
Orb or not.
Have people studied the Astraria for any clues that might be in there about the old gods? I'd do so but I'm horrible at puzzles, lol.
Who will? The Elvhen gods? I really want to read that codex now.
Found it. 
I used it for an end slate and I remember saying it but I remembered it wrong. But still spooky.
Anyway, seeing it so clear now, I believe it is a wolf with a sword'd dragon also. I also think the relative size of the wolf to everything else is very important, but I'm not really sure why.
First thing - found it on the webz, I didn't take the screenshot, don't thank me 
Second thing - I also thought about the size differences, a lot actually, that's why part of me thought it maybe a dragon's foot instead.
If it's not a foot then it's probably symbolic, like the sword is symbolic.
Isn't that the Inquisitor's sword? The one you get at your appointment and to chop off heads? I think it is symbolic of the dragon bowing down to the Inquisitor. That's why Solas was able to start it but not finish it before the final battle.
I did a quick youtube search and found the sword
I think the sketch is a little bit too simplistic. Me thinks the sword in the mural symbolizes something more abstract.
That´s what I thought as well, it being the inqusitors sword, maybe this is biowares way of hinting at a confrontation between Solas and the inquisitor?
I'm pretty sure it's just Mythal's dragon/Morrigan's dragon. If someone I knew had control of a dragon, I would totally paint a mural.
I've been pondering...maybe the whole reason Solas left Lavellen is like the whole Spiderman thing. I can't tell you who I am because I have enemies and if they find out I love you they might come after you to get back at me.
ok here is a thought. in flemeths grimoire. morrigan states that flemeth wants her body. what if there was originally a mage andraste, who switches bodies becomes mythal and then flemeth? shartan becomes fen harel then solas? if you drink at the well instead of morrigan he gives you grief. when flemeth talks about mythal,she talks of betrayal (aka) maferath? if an li for solas maybe solas knew he would need the power from the well eventually by any means necessary even death. so he is kinda glad the inquisitor did not drink from the well. if you went that route. possibly looking to free the gods, he absorbs flemeth soul to make sure she stays safe until he can safely free her. as a soul needs a willing body. just a weird thought.
Since Fen'Harel and Mythal came before Andraste and Shartan (several thousand years before) it is more likely to be Fen'Harel-Shartan-Solas and Mythal-Andraste-Flemeth.. Plus the are also issues related to the fact you cannot possess the unwilling- and we only know at this point that Flemeth was willing to be possessed by Mythal but Flemeth could not possess Morrigan because Morrigan was not willing to become possesed by Flemythal.. Also we only get Morrigans interpretation of Flemeths Grimoire and as seen in DAI Morrigan is just as wrong as the Dalish are in many cases about elven magics and magic in general.
I've been pondering...maybe the whole reason Solas left Lavellen is like the whole Spiderman thing. I can't tell you who I am because I have enemies and if they find out I love you they might come after you to get back at me.
That would be lovely hehehe
Edit: I'd probably swoon at first and then laugh at him or get mad (she is Inqi! She defeated Corphyblat! I do not approve!) >_>
Still cute.
I've been pondering...maybe the whole reason Solas left Lavellen is like the whole Spiderman thing. I can't tell you who I am because I have enemies and if they find out I love you they might come after you to get back at me.
If that was the reasoning I would be so pissed. I'm sure he's probably valid in that way of thinking, by my inquisitor would be like "EXCUSE ME YOU THINK I'M WEAK OR SOMETHING!? I WILL FIGHT THEM IRL"
That's right!! Lavellen is NOT Mary Jane..she's WonderWoman!!! :-P
Have people studied the Astraria for any clues that might be in there about the old gods? I'd do so but i"m horrible at puzzles, lol.
I thought this one was interesting:
I thought maybe the image of the man on fire could actually be the "old god" who, in his human form, used some kind of magic flaming shield?
Will certainly be paying more attention to these in future!
I really wish I had bought this game for my computer..I am missing out on so much lore and codex pages because the font is so friggin' tiny on my XBox360. *sighs*
Okay, my interpretation of the final mural is this.
I think the creature standing over the dragon represents the wolf, with the power of the dragon added which is why there is a dragonish look to it. The dragon on the ground indicates that it is the wolf that is in control, not the dragon. Solas has absorbed the power of Mythal, but remains Solas, mythal the dragon is now a part of him.
Edit: this could also explain the size difference, he is the power of two now.
Modifié par wildannie, 23 décembre 2014 - 04:28 .
Okay, my interpretation of the final mural is this.
I think the creature standing over the dragon represents the wolf, with the power of the dragon added which is why there is a dragonish look to it. The dragon on the ground indicates that it is the wolf that is in control, not the dragon. Solas has absorbed the power of Mythal, but remains Solas, mythal the dragon is now a part of him.
This is what I thought as well. Though I thought the dragonish look comes from being an elven god, but I like the idea it hints he absorbed her.
Now we need to figure out whether or not he planned beforehand on doing that, the consensus here leans towards no, but I'm uncertain.
I also like the idea that these depict them meeting and where they'll meet (the lively statue of Fen'Harel & the wounded statue of Myhtal).
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I just thought of something.
We all noticed Flemeth puts something into the eluvian and speculated it may be the old god spirit, but I don't think it can hold water since not every PT had the dark ritual..
Did anyone notice whether Flemeth acted strangely? What is the chance that the spirit put in the eluvian is not the old god nor Mythal, but Flemeth? Meaning Mythal was the only one in the body at the time, as to protect Flemeth's soul.
I need to rewatch the stinger (I'm waiting 'till I finish the PT again) but I'll try to notice whether Flemeth is being Flemethy or not..
The specific dialogue is-
Kieran: Mother never told me the Inquisitor was an elf.Inquisitor: That's not such a terrible thing, is it?Kieran: No. I just don't know why your people want to look like that.orInquisitor: The ears gave me away, didn't they?Kieran: No. Your blood is very old. I saw it right away.He's not necessarily talking about the Inquisitor specifically in either response, but more likely elves as a whole. If that's the case, he's implying that the ancient elves might have literally chosen their forms somehow. That's a good thing for theories where the elves/the elven pantheon started out as spirits like Cole. As for the very old blood comment... he could simply mean that the elves are an ancient race and he could sense that in her blood. Or the Inquisitor could be a direct descendant of a specific bloodline. I dunno, really.
I'm pretty dang sure the "I just don't know why your people want to look like that" is about the vallaslin. Why wouldn't he know?
See I don't think they were in communication with each other prior to that scene.
If you imagine the events of the story as a massive game of chess, then I think Solas knew what was going on with Mythal the same way she knew about him. By simply observing the world and piecing the unwritten story together. I think they both independently reached this conclusion and it led them to that moment. I don't think there was betrayal or treachery in that last scene, but instead a finality and inevitability. They both knew it would lead here and they were both sorry and saddened by it, but it had to be done. Now I don't think Mythal is over and I doubt Solas thinks she is either. I mean he has to know her better than we do and I don't think any of us think she is gone for good.
Anyone else get Solas saying "Check!" when an enemy goes down in a fight?
I'm currently playing matchmaker for
That means I'm running around a lot, and just got the banter where Solas wants to play chess with Bull in his mind. As in: They just remember where the figures are and say out loud where they would move them. Of course Bull was a little confused. Now I'm thinking: Would he expect the same thing from Lavellan? Playing mind-chess? 'Cause I honestly don't think my Lavellan could do it 
(At least not without any practice)
Then I finally found the armor with the fur over the shoulder! As a random loot!! ... And it's pink!
Of course it's pink. What did I expect?
...
*sigh*
I see a dragon pierced in the back with a sword and a wolf-thing standing over it.
I have no idea what that means.
Because Solas presumably started this before Corypenis attacked the TOSA again. Back then the plan was to attack his dragon and prevent Corypenis' "immortality". Which makes sense that Solas would want to immortalize that victory.
However, this is the last panel in the room ... so where and what was Solas going to sketch next fresco? That wasn't supposed to be the last one. There should have been one more where the quizzy destroys Corypenis.
Unless.
Unless, the frescos are not about the Quizzy. Unless they are not telling the PC's story (which we narcissistic people naturally assume
) and instead they are immortalizing the latest chapter of Fen'harel. Because that last image is a wolf defeating a dragon. There is a lot of lore that relates dragons to gods and that image would mean "the wolf defeats a god". I don't think it has anything at all to do with Mythal or the fake-archdemon dragon. It is Fen'harel defeating the false-god Corypenis.
In short, I propose that the frescoes are a literal painting of Solas' immense pride.
If he were that prideful, he'd likely have himself in all of the murals. Only a few have wolves. If you read the fresco codex (I can't remember the exact one) It says "Skyhold is his/her (depending on the gender of the inquisitor) fortress. These are his/her actions."
Of course he could have been lying but I really don't think so.
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