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[TheComfyCat]

*snip*

 

 

The rest of the mural depicts the actions of the inquisitor, so it would make more sense for this final panel to also depict their actions rather than the final scene with Solas/ Flemythal. It would also be inexcusably sloppy for Solas to leave his plans painted on the wall before heading out to fight Corypheus. And I doubt he knew for sure he would meet with Mythal until after defeating Corypheus and realizing his orb was broken, because I think he had to change his plans when his orb broke. Since he could no longer use his orb as a power source, he went looking for Mythal instead.

 

It's hard to tell what's going on in the image, but I don't think it's Solas's pendent. It does not look like a mandible to me (and I'm a vet student, so I actually have a dog mandible here I use to study from... the body of the mandible should be longer than the ramus, not the other way around. Even stylized, I just don't see it being a mandible). I do think the figure on the left is a dragon, since all the other wolves in the mural look very different. But I'm not sure if the other figure is a dragon stabbed in the back? A leg? Whatever it is, I do think it's supposed to represent the inquisitor's victory over Corypheus and his dragon.

[Sashimi_taco]

No, but I never said that he isn't lying. Just that he obviously tries to tell the truth as much as possible, even when it would be of no benefit to himself, which tells you a lot about what he values.

 

I mean, does paraphrasing what he said to Abelas make it a lie? I don't think so. He told you what he said.

 

I get where you are coming from. I just find the lack of telling the whole truth to be kind of a big deal. From my perspective he didn't tell me what he said. He told me the convenient part of the truth.

 

The whole exchange hints that Abelas is mostly talking to Solas the whole time. When Abelas says "Elvehn such as you?" And Solas says yes, you can tell that Abelas knows a lot more. They both understand who each other are and are not telling the "outsiders". 

 

Additionally when Solas confirms he knows of other elvehn like him, there is a lot being said with that. Possibly more than just Mythal being around. Or he's just referring to the locked away gods. Or that he knows of other elves still in slumber. 

 

Fen'Harel and Mythal were probably some kind of friends/allies way back when, which is probably why Abelas didn't out Solas. Since Solas was probably a guy who worked from the shadows, Abelas probably thought Solas was helping anyway. 

[Sylvanfeather]

Hello

Going out of lurking mode to make a remark about that unfinished mural.

 

At the final scene there're two statues on the sides of eluvian:

 

 

These are Fen'Harel and Mythal I suppose. And they look just like figures on the mural. So I'd say at the mural we see alive wolf and not-so-alive dragon with the symbolic sword in it's back. Add a Cole "speaking Solas"  and it looks like our precious Wolf is more alive than Mythal. The only thing I find odd is how have Solas managed to draw this mural after he left. Just a script hole maybe?

 

I watched my friend do What Pride Had Wrought last night and he chose to drink from the Well. It was the first time I had seen the follow up mission that takes you to the Altar of Mythal, where you meet Flemeth. (Coincidentally, he took Solas as one of his followers on the mission, but as Bull said "Do you want us to p*** off?" So all followers were absent when Flemythal appears) But I digress...

 

Anyway the statues at the altar are the exact same as these ones at the Eluvian. The difference there is Mythal stands tall with wings thrown back, and each side of the statue is flanked with wolves, facing outward.

 

Found the scene on YT https://www.youtube....fNjGzhZ0#t=1126

[Renmiri1]

He told us he said he hoped Abelas found a new name. But he really said something like "the time has past, the one blood is finished, Abelas" or "Now the blood is finished, Abelas". 

 

I didn't know all the words and some were unknown, so I used other words to figure out what they meant with other translations I knew. 

 

I assume he was saying this debt/blood debt/slavery/oath to Mythal was done. There is a codex entry from what I assume is Abelas saying he devotes his life to her death and stuff. Vallaslin is blood writing, which originates in slavery. He's probably just saying his voluntary slavery is over?

 

Or maybe he is saying the "one blood" as in the old elven blood is done. 

I asked Patrick Weekes about this but got no answer

[Renmiri1]

BTW how did the Sera fans pass our thread in pages ? ??? They are at 1800 pages.. Get posting folks

[Sashimi_taco]

WAIT A SECOND WHY DOES MYTHAL NOT HAVE POINTED EARS!?

[caridounette]

He asks you to keep the orb secret because elves are already widely hated throughout Thedas, the knowledge that the artifact Corypheous is elven can cause a lot of trouble. People will blame elves for being in cahoots with Cory and it could lead to a lot of deaths.

On the other hand, lying to a broken sister about the reason her brother died gets him upset. Saying he died a hero is wrong, he died meddling with blood magic without researching beforehand what it means (he doesn't mind blood magic, he believes magic is magic, and he is rather flexible with his views on it). Telling the sister the truth will not damage the reputation of the elves, his considerations are entirely different in that manner.

He is very consistent with his opinions and views, you just need to get on his wavelength ^^

 

To me its not about 'the truth' but what actions you encourage by what youre telling people.

 

Right at the start, if you tell Solas youre not trying to be a hero, he disapproves and tells you that posturing is a necessity in the situation you are in. also if you ask him why he isnt teaching the things he knows to city elves, he will say that it would be pointless and a burden they do not need.

 

Solas likes the truth, what he knows is important ot him. But he isnt about sharing the truth. Hes about looking for it in a responsible and intelligent way.

 

I believe he wants the fact that the orb is elven to remain hidden to protect people who had nothing to do with the whole mess.

And he doesnt want you to say the kid died a hero because it would encourage the Dalish to keep looking for trinkets from the past which is foolish to him.

[drake2511]

I get where you are coming from. I just find the lack of telling the whole truth to be kind of a big deal. From my perspective he didn't tell me what he said. He told me the convenient part of the truth.

 

The whole exchange hints that Abelas is mostly talking to Solas the whole time. When Abelas says "Elvehn such as you?" And Solas says yes, you can tell that Abelas knows a lot more. They both understand who each other are and are not telling the "outsiders". 

 

Additionally when Solas confirms he knows of other elvehn like him, there is a lot being said with that. Possibly more than just Mythal being around. Or he's just referring to the locked away gods. Or that he knows of other elves still in slumber. 

 

Fen'Harel and Mythal were probably some kind of friends/allies way back when, which is probably why Abelas didn't out Solas. Since Solas was probably a guy who worked from the shadows, Abelas probably thought Solas was helping anyway. 

 

I love the exchange between Abelas and Solas, you just know they acknowledge each other, but it is very subtle. It is very well done, in my opinion. (And Abelas is cool, too)
 

 

I watched my friend do What Pride Had Wrought last night and he chose to drink from the Well. It was the first time I had seen the follow up mission that takes you to the Altar of Mythal, where you meet Flemeth. (Coincidentally, he took Solas as one of his followers on the mission, but as Bull said "Do you want us to ****** off?" So all followers were absent when Flemythal appears) But I digress...

 

Anyway the statues at the altar are the exact same as these ones at the Eluvian. The difference there was Mythal was standing tall with wings thrown back, and each side of the statue is flanked with wolves, who are facing outward.

 

Found the scene on YT https://www.youtube....fNjGzhZ0#t=1126

 

Ohh, good find! I know wolves statues seem to be everywhere in this game, but it's no coincidence Mythal is always rapresented with them at her side. The dread wolf almost looks like a guardian.

[Jaison1986]

WAIT A SECOND WHY DOES MYTHAL NOT HAVE POINTED EARS!?

 

Good catch. It might be an oversight. I remember when you go do the dalish questline in Origins, and you get the juggernaut armor, you meet the spirit of an elven woman (she speaks elvish and everything), but if you pay atention, you can see she haves human ears. 

[NightSymphony]

WAIT A SECOND WHY DOES MYTHAL NOT HAVE POINTED EARS!?

Maybe it's not Mythal....how could it be since Mythal is inside Flemeth?

[TheComfyCat]

Ohh, good find! I know wolves statues seem to be everywhere in this game, but it's no coincidence Mythal is always rapresented with them at her side. The dread wolf almost looks like a guardian.

 

It seems likely that before becoming known for rebellion, Fen'Harel was some type of guardian. At the temple of Mythal, there are enormous wolf statues outside the gates, before you cross the bridge and enter the temple. Like he's guarding the entrance.

[Kittn]

The rest of the mural depicts the actions of the inquisitor, so it would make more sense for this final panel to also depict their actions rather than the final scene with Solas/ Flemythal. It would also be inexcusably sloppy for Solas to leave his plans painted on the wall before heading out to fight Corypheus. And I doubt he knew for sure he would meet with Mythal until after defeating Corypheus and realizing his orb was broken, because I think he had to change his plans when his orb broke. Since he could no longer use his orb as a power source, he went looking for Mythal instead.

 

It's hard to tell what's going on in the image, but I don't think it's Solas's pendent. It does not look like a mandible to me (and I'm a vet student, so I actually have a dog mandible here I use to study from... the body of the mandible should be longer than the ramus, not the other way around. Even stylized, I just don't see it being a mandible). I do think the figure on the left is a dragon, since all the other wolves in the mural look very different. But I'm not sure if the other figure is a dragon stabbed in the back? A leg? Whatever it is, I do think it's supposed to represent the inquisitor's victory over Corypheus and his dragon.

 

You know, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to agree with you, and the more that "wolf" is looking lizard-y. I guess the wishful thinking that Solas is reaching out to us through this is a powerful filter, but we do still have Cole's message on that front to ease our hearts at least an itty bitty bit.

 

And you're correct. He has already painted wolves. So, this is not a wolf if those are any indication. :C Not even a dragon wolf thing. The snout is all weird.

 

It could still be a griffon though!

[Yaslana]

I had this same thought this morning when I was pondering this earlier today, we've seen another mother ready to sacrifice herself for her son too, Morrigan.

And do you remember the look on Flemythals face when Morrigan said "I will not be the mother you were!" (something like that)

This seemed to really hurt her.

Maybe it was a moment for Mythal, in which she realized something.
I've lost enough children. I will not loose you to Dread Wolf.

But actually I have a different idea.

Maybe Flemeth was dying of old age finally. And Mythal had no new body. Maybe the Orb was not Solas but Mythals. Maybe it could have restored her.

But Solas was to weak to do it and Flemeth couldn't do it cause... Reasons?

So Solas gave the orb to Cory to save Mythal. And then shite..

The broken orb means Mythal will be lost again with no body so in the end he takes Mythal into himself to safe her?

[Hedinve]

"You should not have given YOUR orb to Cory..." says Flemythal

 

And Solas is the guard dog. I find this funny

 

I am now 78% sure something goes into the eluvian in the end scene, when the camera zooms out. If anyone really absorbs someone else, parts goes into that blasted mirror.

[Jaison1986]

I just wonder what Mythal revenge is all about. Unless her murderers went into slumber like Solas did, I don't think there is anything to be avenged.

[wildannie]

You know, the more I look at it, the more I'm starting to agree with you, and the more that "wolf" is looking lizard-y. I guess the wishful thinking that Solas is reaching out to us through this is a powerful filter, but we do still have Cole's message on that front to ease our hearts at least an itty bitty bit.

 

And you're correct. He has already painted wolves. So, this is not a wolf if those are any indication. :C Not even a dragon wolf thing. The snout is all weird.

 

It could still be a griffon though!

It has a paw, like a wolf.  this mural differs from the others as it is hastily drawn,  does it appear before the battle?  If it doesn't then I think he ran ahead of the party and drew it before leaving, it wouldn't take long for an artist to sketch that.  I think it is meant to be his explanation to the inquisitor.  

 

I don't think it is wishful thinking, It fits much better with the stinger than the boss fight with cory and the dragon.

[BubbleDncr]

And do you remember the look on Flemythals face when Morrigan said "I will not be the mother you were!" (something like that)
This seemed to really hurt her.
Maybe it was a moment for Mythal, in which she realized something.
I've lost enough children. I will not loose you to Dread Wolf.
But actually I have a different idea.
Maybe Flemeth was dying of old age finally. And Mythal had no new body. Maybe the Orb was not Solas but Mythals. Maybe it could have restored her.
But Solas was to weak to do it and Flemeth couldn't do it cause... Reasons?
So Solas gave the orb to Cory to save Mythal. And then shite..
The broken orb means Mythal will be lost again with no body so in the end he takes Mythal into himself to safe her?

If that were the case I think she would have said MY orb.

[TheComfyCat]

I just wonder what Mythal revenge is all about. Unless her murderers went into slumber like Solas did, I don't think there is anything to be avenged.

If she was killed by other gods (or their servants) then perhaps she wants the gods freed so she can take vengeance upon those responsible.

[TheComfyCat]

It has a paw, like a wolf.  this mural differs from the others as it is hastily drawn,  does it appear before the battle?  If it doesn't then I think he ran ahead of the party and drew it before leaving, it wouldn't take long for an artist to sketch that.  I think it is meant to be his explanation to the inquisitor.  
 
I don't think it is wishful thinking, It fits much better with the stinger than the boss fight with cory and the dragon.

But it has scales? And I doubt Solas ran back to Skyhold before the inquisitor just to paint some ambiguous clue at the end of a mural dedicated to her deeds.

[Yaslana]

"You should not have given YOUR orb to Cory..." says Flemythal
 
And Solas is the guard dog. I find this funny
 
I am now 78% sure something goes into the eluvian in the end scene, when the camera zooms out. If anyone really absorbs someone else, parts goes into that blasted mirror.

Ah thank you. Didnt remember it correctly it seems. ^^

[Renmiri1]

Did I post this here yet ? Is Cole putting some elfroot (works as mistletoe) to our sad  lovers

[Renmiri1]

But it has scales? And I doubt Solas ran back to Skyhold before the inquisitor just to paint some ambiguous clue at the end of a mural dedicated to her deeds.

I don't doubt it, he can travel through the fade and I bet he is keeping a close eye on Quizzy

[Hedinve]

Ah thank you. Didnt remember it correctly it seems. ^^

 

I had a yt video of that scene up

[Jaderail]

 

 

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WHY DOES MYTHAL NOT HAVE POINTED EARS!?

 

 

 

Are we sure thats Mythal? It *would* make sense in a way, I suppose. It would be odd for the ancient elves to revere a human, although it's a bit intriguing to think that maybe Elgar'nan fell for a human.

 

It could explain why some of the elves raided the temple of Mythal and "killed" her. 

[Yaslana]

I had a yt video of that scene up

Call ot wistful thinking.
Poor babe lost so much already, the breakup with Qizzu and then his foci is destroyed.

Poor Solas has a really bad case of bad luck.