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[Patchwork]

I wandered away from this thread and onto Reddit. Sigh, I probably shouldn't have because it makes me want to argue with people on their negative conceptualizations of Solas. I am just going to rant a bit here. Basically, someone said that she didn't like the Solas romance because he treats you like you're a kid and that the relationship isn't equal. Also, this person said that the relationship reminded her of her know-it-all ex-bf. Ok, I can see why she thinks that. But it makes PERFECT sense when you take his background into account. Lavellan with her 20-50 years of knowledge and experience in this world IS a kid compared to Solas. You can't compare a real-life relationship to this fantasy one. This is not to say that Solas doesn't have flaws or that he is right about everything, but it makes perfect sense to me that the inquisitor should be humble and respectful when speaking to Solas. Solas clearly knows a lot more about this world from his "travels in the fade" and it would be arrogant of the inquisitor to not take his opinion into account or to not bother to ask him questions. Rant over.

 

For personal reasons I'm never going to romance Iron Bull luckily BW gives us more than one option.

 

By all means listen to Solas, he has a unique perspective but that doesn't discount the experience anyone else has had. To most people all spirits might as well be demons they enter the world and do horrible things, in the Fade they stalk mages waiting for a moment of weakness. He's my DAI boyfriend but I don't do humble.  

[scintilla]

This is not to say that Solas doesn't have flaws or that he is right about everything, but it makes perfect sense to me that the inquisitor should be humble and respectful when speaking to Solas. Solas clearly knows a lot more about this world from his "travels in the fade" and it would be arrogant of the inquisitor to not take his opinion into account or to not bother to ask him questions. Rant over.

 

The Inquisitor doesn't owe Solas anything, certainly not being humble or respectful because Solas has opinions. It isn't clear at all that he knows more about the world from his travels in the Fade. To a citizen of Thedas, he probably sounds downright insane. There isn't a single culture that doesn't teach that the Fade/Beyond is dangerous. He's one person saying he knows better than everyone else.

 

The player eventually learns that Solas is probably right, given who he is. But before the stinger? Players can see someone with compelling ideas or crazy ones and those are both valid ways of playing the Inquisitor. Solas doesn't really provide any proof of what he does. He's a single voice of dissent against everything else the people of Thedas (and the player, by extension) think they know.

[Tai]

Its not just a flirt. Its one of the very few meaningful ones characterwise.

 

Solas is really written in a way where flirting often cuts you from actual interaction. I got the feeling it was meant that way, so by flirting, you dont get to see how way off the guy is. You dont get the argument about spirit being people, you dont get to argue about recruting the wardens, etc.

 

Its like Solas gets to turn off his whole 'my ideas are most important' and gets to jsut love/be loved for a little while...

 

/sigh how bittersweet... 

 

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. The 'romance' achievement only clicks in after he dumps you in the middle of a scene that felt like everything was going really well (you get the achievement with other characters mid-way through their romance arcs as far as I can tell). It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?

 

I ramble, but am trying to get to the root of why I think Solas may in fact be so much worse than we would like to believe. He's the Dread Wolf. A trickster, and not in the funny prank way, more in the 'be very careful what you wish for' way. However warped the stories have gotten.... the 'Dread' is part of his name for a reason. He seems to have made a unilateral decision to lock away all the other gods for all eternity against their will, at the very least. 

Modifié par Tai, 23 décembre 2014 - 11:04 .

[Uirebhiril]

There is a way to have them rule together:

Spoiler

You have to use the halla statues to get into a room where you find an elven locket that Briala had given Celene and that Celene had kept, then you have to talk to each of them about it and point out that they still love each other. I think you also have to use more statutes to get into Celene's bedroom where the guy is tied up on the bed and get him to agree to testify against her. Once you have 'dirt' on all three of the contenders, deal with Florianne, and discuss what happens next with Gaspard/Briala/Celene, you can steer the conversation to reuniting them (I think you have to ask about Briala's reward first, then let Gaspard be executed?)

 

For all the other outcomes, there's a relatively long conversation with Solas about what happened. But if you reunite them... he says one sentence and you don't even get to ask about anything.

 

That could explain it. Briala never appeared in her appointed spot, so the only conversation I had with her was in the middle of killing people and then again at the end after exposing Florianne. Hopefully that's fixed this time around.

[Sashimi_taco]

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?

 

I ramble, but am trying to get to the root of why I think Solas may in fact be so much worse than we would like to think. He's the Dread Wolf. A trickster, and not in the funny prank way, more in the 'be very careful what you wish for' way. However warped the stories have gotten.... the 'Dread' is part of his name for a reason. He seems to have made a unilateral decision to lock away all the other gods for all eternity against their will, at the very least. 

 

I'm totally cool with him being messed up. It's all so messed up and I love it. So long as the only truth was that he loved the inquisitor, I'm cool with how evil or chaotic he really is.

 

HAHA I'M CRAZY 

[siriusstardodger]

Question? Maybe, spoiler!

I thought that solas was like Cole. A spirit that had become a person. He has a conversation with cole where solas says he never thought he would see a spirit become a person and cole thinks Solas says 'see it again'. Am I the only one who thought that was in reference to himself or who got the conversation?

[Zombie_Alexis]

Very creepyyyyy in that context.

 

That song is creepy in any context. 

[NightSymphony]

I'm totally cool with him being messed up. It's all so messed up and I love it. So long as the only truth was that he loved the inquisitor, I'm cool with how evil or chaotic he really is.

 

HAHA I'M CRAZY 

LOL..I totally agree!! 

[RynJ]

I had to stop reading this fic and take a breath because it was SO AMAZINGLY HOT.

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6349922

 

Don't read if you don't like aggressive solas. 

 

Intensely OOC, in my opinion, but still quite hot! I like this person's writing style.

[RebbyWriter]

Just thought I'd show off how my fan art is going.

 

Spoiler

http://mypixelmuse.t...trickster-bride

I did this all today. 'Bout to go and ink Solas in. Don't know if you see him or not, his outline is pretty faint.

[NightSymphony]

Just thought I'd show off how my fan art is going.

 

Spoiler

http://mypixelmuse.t...trickster-bride

I did this all today. 'Bout to go and ink Solas in. Don't know if you see him or not, his outline is pretty faint.

This is so beautiful so far!!  I can't wait to see it all finished!!

[phaonica]

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?

 

I ramble, but am trying to get to the root of why I think Solas may in fact be so much worse than we would like to think. He's the Dread Wolf. A trickster, and not in the funny prank way, more in the 'be very careful what you wish for' way. However warped the stories have gotten.... the 'Dread' is part of his name for a reason. He seems to have made a unilateral decision to lock away all the other gods for all eternity against their will, at the very least. 

 

I got that vibe too. I mean, he says their romance "isn't right", he says it would be "kinder in the long run" to walk away. I get giving him his space, but if he won't talk about it, then they can't work through it. He'll admit to selfishness, but I do wonder how much pride may have played a part. Whatever the case, their chemistry does make it hard to not get caught up in it. That's what makes it dramatic!

[siriusstardodger]

Also, possible spoiler, is it just me, or might 'the people' solas is talking about, in the end, not be the elves, as we know them, but the sentinel elves, as in abelas and his crew.

[caridounette]

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. The 'romance' achievement only clicks in after he dumps you in the middle of a scene that felt like everything was going really well (you get the achievement with other characters mid-way through their romance arcs as far as I can tell). It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?

 

 

All this! But with an underlining of good intentions. Solas himself isnt bad... hes just bad for us. Thats what he tried to make us see all along. But we were lost in his eyes... 

 

As far as being railroaded to unhealtiness, id rather say its a classical god x mortal tragedy revisited.

 

Theres no explanation, no sharing backgrounds, no promesses for tomorrow. They try to share the 'now' because the past and the future are just minefields.  And unexpectly that is exactly what Solas needed. He needed to connect to the present and feel it. But was it what Lavellan needed? Thats up to each of us to decide if the exchange was fair, even if it wasnt advantageous.

[Yaslana]

Hrmm I'm a little torn...
I think Quizzi knows him better than anyone in a very long time.
By wearing... The "mask" of Solas, he can just be himself I think.
Solas can be concerned about the little people in the Hinterlands. He can be excited about finding an elven artifact. He can be angry and sad and passionate and be the strange apostate with his crazy fade storys.

Now imagine he came to the Inquisition as Fen'Harel...
Everybody would expect him to be this frightening elven god and he would have to play the role for the others to take him seriously.

So even with him hiding so many things, I belive Quizzi learns to know his heart, his true self.

And when Lavellan finds out, maybe she understands best how it is to have to be a god for other ppl but being just a person at the core. (just like herself as Quizzie)

And my Lavellan is anything but humble. She is fascinated, she loves his stories, his knowledge... But that doesn't make him better than her.

While she may learn much be from him, he learns from her to. I always have the feeling he is not very good with people. He tries but often he fails.

That he becomes friens with some at the end, I headcannon that my Quizzis doing. She doesn't know about old elves and fade stuff but sye is damn good with people.

I think the can fit quite well together and be equals in this relationship.

edit: and when my Rajha finds him again she traches him how to be humble. Then she tells him to stop being an idiot and come home right now or she will kick some ass.

Edit: and I think this is why he falls in love with her in the end... Because she likes HIM, not Fen'Harel, not his power, ect. But him with all his flaws (and I think he knows at least about some of his flaws)

[Aetheria]

All this! But with an underlining of good intentions. Solas himself isnt bad... hes just bad for us. Thats what he tried to make us see all along. But we were lost in his eyes... 

 

As far as being railroaded to unhealtiness, id rather say its a classical god x mortal tragedy revisited.

 

Theres no explanation, no sharing backgrounds, no promesses for tomorrow. They try to share the 'now' because the past and the future are just minefields.  And unexpectly that is exactly what Solas needed. He needed to connect to the present and feel it. But was it what Lavellan needed? Thats up to each of us to decide if the exchange was fair, even if it wasnt advantageous.

I fully expect that if the Inquisitor ever learns the whole story in-game and gets the opportunity to react, you'll be able to play it either way - either that they feel they've been tricked and it wasn't fair, or that they don't have regrets.

[caridounette]

Also, possible spoiler, is it just me, or might 'the people' solas is talking about, in the end, not be the elves, as we know them, but the sentinel elves, as in abelas and his crew.

 

Classical theories are that his people could be the elven 'gods' (with his plan being to unlock them from some eluvian) or that they could be the spirits (with his big plan being to drop the Veil). Both theories have roots in Solas dialogues, Cole dialogues, codex entries, so its all very facinating if you want to read back on it.

[Eivuwan]

The Inquisitor doesn't owe Solas anything, certainly not being humble or respectful because Solas has opinions. It isn't clear at all that he knows more about the world from his travels in the Fade. To a citizen of Thedas, he probably sounds downright insane. There isn't a single culture that doesn't teach that the Fade/Beyond is dangerous. He's one person saying he knows better than everyone else.

 

The player eventually learns that Solas is probably right, given who he is. But before the stinger? Players can see someone with compelling ideas or crazy ones and those are both valid ways of playing the Inquisitor. Solas doesn't really provide any proof of what he does. He's a single voice of dissent against everything else the people of Thedas (and the player, by extension) think they know.

 

Well, it's clear that we all bring our own values and real life personalities into the characters we play. In general, I have issues with people who don't consider the multiple reasons why someone might behave a certain way and some people might have issues with arrogant know-it-alls.

 

Edit: I must say that I have trouble role-playing as how an actual citizen of Thedas thinks or what a Dalish woman would think. That is mainly due to the lack of an origins story to play through like we had with DAO. To me, I'm just from a random race that I would like to play and I'm the inquisitor who has to make difficult decisions (and collect shards). A lot of people were talking about how a Dalish elf would or would not remove the valaslin and I'm just like I'll remove it because I feel like removing a tattoo and because I want to see Solas work his magic.

[Minxie]

People don't like when their PC is in a position where they know much less than another character or can't force a character to stay with them the way you can't with Solas. It disrupts the power fantasy and that's where the 'he treats me like a kid' thing comes from.

 

What's funny is that Solas is the least "I know better than you" with a romanced Inquisitor. It comes out much more when you're not in a romance with him. When he's in love with you, he comes to respect you on a whole other level. He can barely control himself around a romanced Inquisitor!

Yeah, my first thought when I see these kinds of complaints about Solas is "well, you probably said something stupid and Solas made you feel stupid for saying it and that's why you're mad" lol. 

[BoscoBread]

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. The 'romance' achievement only clicks in after he dumps you in the middle of a scene that felt like everything was going really well (you get the achievement with other characters mid-way through their romance arcs as far as I can tell). It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?
 
I ramble, but am trying to get to the root of why I think Solas may in fact be so much worse than we would like to believe. He's the Dread Wolf. A trickster, and not in the funny prank way, more in the 'be very careful what you wish for' way. However warped the stories have gotten.... the 'Dread' is part of his name for a reason. He seems to have made a unilateral decision to lock away all the other gods for all eternity against their will, at the very least.

I have been trying to understand the ookey factor of this relationship and I think you nailed it. The writing is so lean we don't see the in between moments so the player has to make **** up in their head. If you don't you're left with this supremely unbalanced mess of a relationship. I genuinely do no think that was the intent as that's just...wrong but it it tiptoes right up to that line. From moment to moment the relationship is lovely. There a reason I'm talking about it, but I wish I had more to fill in the blanks with.

[Eivuwan]

I was being somewhat facetious   But I agree that the romance is written that way. It is disappointing - it's almost as if it is absolutely meant to be an unhealthy romance. Of course it's just a game, but I keep pondering how bad that relationship would feel in real life. You never really know him, you can never really feel sure of him, but the chemistry is so overwhelming that you overlook those things. And part of that is due to the way he's written: You can't ask what the considerations are that made him hesitate at first. You can't ask why he changed his mind. You don't get to ask about his history, unlike with everyone else. The 'romance' achievement only clicks in after he dumps you in the middle of a scene that felt like everything was going really well (you get the achievement with other characters mid-way through their romance arcs as far as I can tell). It feels railroaded into being unhealthy. Make sense?

 

I ramble, but am trying to get to the root of why I think Solas may in fact be so much worse than we would like to believe. He's the Dread Wolf. A trickster, and not in the funny prank way, more in the 'be very careful what you wish for' way. However warped the stories have gotten.... the 'Dread' is part of his name for a reason. He seems to have made a unilateral decision to lock away all the other gods for all eternity against their will, at the very least. 

 

I wish they had more content in which you ask him more things than just lore stuff. Then watch him fumble as he tries to dodge your questions haha.

[DarthEmpress]

Does anyone else wish there was an option for your Dalish clan to visit you at Skyhold, provided they survived?  I think that would've been wonderful and help expand on Lavellan's life.  Also, seeing her clan members interact with Solas would've been interesting.  I think the encounter would've made him sad... like he sees how strong her bond is with her people and he knows he can't have that.  I would've liked to have Lavellan act as a mediator between Solas and her clan because I don't doubt he would've tried to give them "the truth" about a few things.  It would be kind of horrible if her whole clan hated him lol ^^

[Illyria]

Does anyone else wish there was an option for your Dalish clan to visit you at Skyhold, provided they survived?  I think that would've been wonderful and help expand on Lavellan's life.  Also, seeing her clan members interact with Solas would've been interesting.  I think the encounter would've made him sad... like he sees how strong her bond is with her people and he knows he can't have that.  I would've liked to have Lavellan act as a mediator between Solas and her clan because I don't doubt he would've tried to give them "the truth" about a few things.  It would be kind of horrible if her whole clan hated him lol ^^

 

I... may have to write this.

[caridounette]

Well, it's clear that we all bring our own values and real life personalities into the characters we play. In general, I have issues with people who don't consider the multiple reasons why someone might behave a certain way and some people might have issues with arrogant know-it-alls.

 

Edit: I must say that I have trouble role-playing as how an actual citizen of Thedas thinks or what a Dalish woman would think. That is mainly due to the lack of an origins story to play through like we had with DAO. To me, I'm just from a random race that I would like to play and I'm the inquisitor who has to make difficult decisions (and collect shards). A lot of people were talking about how a Dalish elf would or would not remove the valaslin and I'm just like I'll remove it because I feel like removing a tattoo and because I want to see Solas work his magic.

 

Youre kiling me

 

But yes, you need to have played the orignin stories from DAO to be able to RP anything other then human with half decency. They arent helping us much.

[DarthEmpress]

I... may have to write this.

haha XD  And they wouldn't even know who he really is... which would be kind of hilarious in hindsight.  But poor Solas.  He won't be able to fit in anywhere (except with Lavellan).  That's another thing - I think he loves her because she is open to him.  Maybe she doesn't believe him, but she at least listens and I think that's all Solas really wants from others.