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[Wereupine]

So many theories and now possible spoilers? I think my brain just exploded.

[Ajna]

Yes, I think it's more complicated than that

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It's not about good and evil, some will say it's evil for the sake of good. 

And I am so relieved it didn't say they were lovers, that thoughts sat in my head for a long time, I hated it!

 

I must say, it really doesn't surprise me, I'm more proud than anything, it's pretty much was my headcannon

 

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Except for the "kill anyone"

 

Edit: what is wrong with my and the friggin typos? I'm probably upset and won't admit it >_>

 

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I'm not so sure that he would "kill anyone" though, I honestly feel like, an Inquisitor who is a friend, or at least romanced Lavellan, has changed him.

[herkles]

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As Fen'harel/solas/dread-wolf is a trickster, and I still regard him as a trickster even if he might also be a god of change or rebellion; and those two things often were what a trickster did.

 

But as a trickster, one should keep in mind they are rarely evil in most of their stories, even Loki is rather neutral till the whole ragnorack thing(which some people think was a later/christian idea and not a norse idea). But the point is in many stories Loki tends to screw up and make things bad. However Loki also was responsible for some of the good things as well, it was he who came up with a scheme to get Mjollnir back through stealth when it was lost, Loki who spoke to the dwarves to create Mjollnir, ended skadi's invasion and so on. Again most of this was covering his own ass as Loki had a hand in the problem in the first place. 

 

I bring this up as I regard Fen'harel to be rather similar. He does tricks and tries to help people, bringing change but change also creates problems. I imagine that Like many other tricksters, ie see Loki above, that the whole cory thing was one of his mistakes and now he is working to fix his mistake. 

 

 

Now if only Lavellen can be deified/achieve apothosis to be the dread-wolf's wife and consort

 

[Avejajed]

Here it is! Best I could do with tactical view. I think Fraps killed some of the quality, I hope they are still ok http://imgur.com/a/qDdKc

And Bonus with Solas http://imgur.com/a/UAIH3  lol
 

OMG I don't know what to think. How can we tell if it's true?

 

YOU ARE A WONDERFUL HUMAN!!!!!!!

[mindoirs]

I picked a good day to pop back in.

[drake2511]

The spoiler doesn't faze me much, not sure why it bothers others. It's pretty much what we gleaned from the game, isn't it? I mean, they're still obviously friends and there's a degree of cooperation in that final scene, but each of them have their own agendas. Thus far it's pretty much standard DA and how I saw the characters anyway. It's in keeping with Morrigan who still really cares for the Warden as lover or friend, but ultimately wants what she wants for her ultimate goal and tries her utmost to get it.

Yes, but she didn't almost destroy the world to do that

[Ajna]

 

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As Fen'harel/solas/dread-wolf is a trickster, and I still regard him as a trickster even if he might also be a god of change or rebellion; and those two things often were what a trickster did.

 

But as a trickster, one should keep in mind they are rarely evil in most of their stories, even Loki is rather neutral till the whole ragnorack thing(which some people think was a later/christian idea and not a norse idea). But the point is in many stories Loki tends to screw up and make things bad. However Loki also was responsible for some of the good things as well, it was he who came up with a scheme to get Mjollnir back through stealth when it was lost, Loki who spoke to the dwarves to create Mjollnir, ended skadi's invasion and so on. Again most of this was covering his own ass as Loki had a hand in the problem in the first place. 

 

I bring this up as I regard Fen'harel to be rather similar. He does tricks and tries to help people, bringing change but change also creates problems. I imagine that Like many other tricksters, ie see Loki above, that the whole cory thing was one of his mistakes and now he is working to fix his mistake. 

 

 

Now if only Lavellen can be deified/achieve apothosis to be the dread-wolf's wife and consort

 

 

 

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Yeah like..FFS SOLAS JUST MAKE ME YOUR DAMN PARTNER SO WE CAN SAVE THE ELVEN PEOPLE TOGETHER!  I'd be very much ok with this...

[zambixi]

@samanthaj
. I didn't even remember that group existed TBH, just wanted to share my pain with all ya'll. but you're right; I don't want anyone to be super-spoiled. I can't create the thread on my phone but if someone else wants to do so please go ahead. Otherwise I will when I get home.

[drake2511]

@samanthaj

Thanks for making the thread in the group. I didn't even remember that group existed TBH >.> But you're right I don't want to spoil anyone that doesn't want to be spoiled.

I can't see the thread in the group, could anyone link it please?

[Illyria]

As tempting as it is... I'm going to not take a peek at those spoilers!!!  I want to be surprised.  Must... resist...

 

Be strong!  You can do it!  (I'm trying to resist too).

[mindoirs]

I'm no programmer, but imo it makes sense to put those notes in there in order to get the "feel" of the scene right, as well as to know what your goal is when making the scene and the facial expressions/movements/etc.

 

But I'm no programmer so if I'm totally wrong, yeah.

[SamanthaJ]

I put it up officially.

 

http://forum.bioware...ve-been-warned/

[Uirebhiril]

Interesting... if the "spoilers" are true, they aren't all that different from what people have been theorizing for weeks now. Not getting why people would be upset or sad, especially since we have no clue what the future holds for that particular setup. Unless there will be no set of choices or any real resolution to just about anything, romance or not. Then I'd be upset, oh yes.

 

I agree it's probably best to discuss this in the spoiler group though, seems people still aren't done with their first game and don't need to try and dodge stuff like this too.

[Tai]

Oh my. Feeling like my posts yesterday were on target and THAT'S NOT A GOOD FEELING.

Ahem.

[Bliss]

I can't post there....so, I'll be over here....in my corner....just reading it XD

 

Fixed myself...I'm good.

[herkles]

I'm no programmer, but imo it makes sense to put those notes in there in order to get the "feel" of the scene right, as well as to know what your goal is when making the scene and the facial expressions/movements/etc.

 

But I'm no programmer so if I'm totally wrong, yeah.

no, you are right. any good programmer would have notes and documantion to know what he or she is doing, and most importantly so others know what they are doing. If you are on a team project, you got to know what your code is going to do, the bigger the team the more important that notes become IMO. 

[Shari'El]

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Yeah, also if this is true, the fact is, she nurtured that part of her that Flemeth has because she knew he would need her power.  I suppose if nothing else we know now that he just took her power.  I never saw the lovers thing, it always seemed more familial to me.

 

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Yeah, the fact she knew he'd come & nurtured that part of her soul means something. At this state Solas is weaker then her, he awoke from 1000 years of sleep and he can't proceed with his plans unless she helps him. I also think she's probably more powerful then he is, she could've resisted but she chose to help (it says "she intends to let him have that power..").

I think it might be bad wording, written by a designer to help with focusing on the feelings and actions of the character.

 

As said "it's more complicated than that".

 

As I wrote before, it was so headcanoned for me it became fact, I was pretty certain with all the other clues that this is what happened in that scene.

I'm curious to whether or not there are descriptions in other characters, like in Solas'.

 

I really want to see the file for myself, to check whether or not this is the real deal or someone's trolling us (it looks like a legit file), I don't have the PC version of the game, can someone find this file?

 

I'm still on Team Optimism.

[Addai]

Yes, but she didn't almost destroy the world to do that

A lot of people thought the OGB was going to be a big, big bad. I mean, obviously one of the big shocks if/when our PCs learn the truth is that Solas inadvertently caused the Breach. He also helped fix it. This isn't new information, so I don't get why the spoiler makes him more villainous? Because it says

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he'd kill anyone?

Isn't it obvious that he believes you have to break some eggs to make an omelet?

[Shari'El]

The spoiler doesn't faze me much, not sure why it bothers others.

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It's pretty much what we gleaned from the game, isn't it? I mean, they're still obviously friends and there's a degree of cooperation in that final scene, but each of them have their own agendas. Thus far it's pretty much standard DA and how I saw the characters anyway. It's in keeping with a Morrigan type story. She genuinely cares for the Warden as lover or friend, but ultimately wants what she wants for her goal and tries her utmost to get it.

Where are people getting that they were lovers?

 

I agree, the only thing that surprised me was

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The part about Morrigan and the godhood thingy

[Shari'El]

I'm no programmer, but imo it makes sense to put those notes in there in order to get the "feel" of the scene right, as well as to know what your goal is when making the scene and the facial expressions/movements/etc.

 

But I'm no programmer so if I'm totally wrong, yeah.

 

It has nothing to do with being a programmer or not

It's true that it is plausible they'd have those note to help them create a scene but this type of info usually doesn't appear in game files, it's a bit weird, and a bit of screwup (intentionally or not).

[Tai]

A lot of people thought the OGB was going to be a big, big bad. I mean, obviously one of the big shocks if/when our PCs learn the truth is that Solas inadvertently caused the Breach. He also helped fix it. This isn't new information, so I don't get why the spoiler makes him more villainous? Because it says

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he'd kill anyone?

Isn't it obvious that he believes you have to break some eggs to make an omelet?

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I think it's that he is ruthless enough to kill his oldest friend, someone he obviously cares for, to carry out his plan. He is going to do whatever it takes without pausing to consider whether he should once again unilaterally decide what is best for the entire world. His goal trumps everyone else's lives.

I think this clarifies why he dumps the Inquisitor. If she gets in his way, she's not going to be an exception.

[Shari'El]

no, you are right. any good programmer would have notes and documantion to know what he or she is doing, and most importantly so others know what they are doing. If you are on a team project, you got to know what your code is going to do, the bigger the team the more important that notes become IMO. 

 

That is true for coding, these are game objects, it shouldn't tell a story :S

[Addai]

I agree, the only thing that surprised me was

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The part about Morrigan and the godhood thingy

Yep it's going to kill me (no pun intended)

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if we have to choose between Morrigan and Solas.

I also think a big revelation is that Solas is trying to save the elven people. There was some doubt that that was really his goal.

In fact... I love this snippet. I want it to be real, as long as it's developed in a way that respects our choices. I have high hopes that Bioware has learned from past experience, both DA and ME, in order to do that.

[Abyss108]

Just placing my vote for having the spoiler discussion in a new thread! I haven't read it and would like to keep being able to read this thread! 

[mindoirs]

Yeah, seems a lot better to discuss things over there. Will do. I can't keep up with this thread anymore enough as it is anyway!