He didn't she gave herself willingly
To be fair he would have taken the power even if she hadn't agreed to it.
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Ooooh I read that. He even got a little flustered when she simply talked about wearing a dress. I still can't get over her reaction in that fic to Skyhold's actions. Skyhold ate her uniform. Pffffffft.
I was thinking of you since we usually have (awesomely) different views and "Team Pragmatic" came to mind.
I'm also on You Can't Disappoint Me Bioware, I have Fanfiction Lalalalalalala.
I'm a little bundle of doom and gloom. 
He didn't she gave herself willingly
Flemythal letting Solas kill her does not change the fact that he killed her.
To be fair he would have taken the power even if she hadn't agreed to it.
@zambixi
Ooooh I read that. He even got a little flustered when she simply talked about wearing a dress. I still can't get over her reaction in that fic to Skyhold's actions. Skyhold ate her uniform. Pffffffft.
That fic was brilliant. I thought "man, this is just going to be another case of rule 34 why am I even going to read it, it's going to be weird like Communist Harry Potter," but no it was amazing and it pulled me away from Solavellan for a minute that's how good it was.
I feel like I've blasphemed...Here's a comic:
I'm a little bundle of doom and gloom.
Flemythal letting Solas kill her does not change the fact that he killed her.
Technically she was already dead. Mythal was killed way back during Elvhenan, and Flemmeth probably would have died naturally in the Tower age.
Spoilered for shirtless men in their Christmas undies with DA faces pasted on them. Just to clarify the faces aren't pasted on the undies.
http://getsolas.tumb...stians-whatever
I just realized Solas is the one who heard Solas and the Inquisitor during Pranks With Sera.
"Who is up there?"
So then has anyone else received their Solas tshirt?
I got mine! Too large, unfortunately. Maybe I can take it in a bit. Or I'll pass it on to one of my brothers.
combing through the game's plot design notes. Posting most of it on my ar lath vhenan tumblr but...
<CharacterDescription Offset=”0x00000730” Type=”DAI_String”>Solas is an elf who has lived most of his life as a solitary apostate. He is an expert on the Fade, the world of spirits and dreams. He is polite, reserved, calm, and difficult to antagonize. Years of study and seclusion have made him incredibly intelligent, but also skeptical of the value of most political goals and ideals. As such, he tends to pragmatism rather than idealism. He responds well to people who are intelligent and clever, and thinks less of people who are thuggish and crude.
Note that some of his lines are marked “ancient times”, which is when Solas is remembering something profound he experienced in the Fade. These lines are written with a specific cadence. They should NOT be sung or forced into a sing-song voice pattern, but knowing that there is a bit of rhythm there might help the actor.</CharacterDescription>
<SpeechPattern Offset=”0x00000734” Type=”DAI_String”></SpeechPattern>
<Accent Offset=”0x00000738” Type=”DAI_String”>Welsh</Accent>
I got mine! Too large, unfortunately. Maybe I can take it in a bit. Or I'll pass it on to one of my brothers.
Ah, did you get a men's one? What size, if you don't mind me asking? I haven't gotten mine in yet, but I ordered a Men's small so I hope it's not too large.
ok quick question, cant find the answer...Banal'abelas, Banal'vhenan <---what does that mean!?
I got mine! Too large, unfortunately. Maybe I can take it in a bit. Or I'll pass it on to one of my brothers.
Or..you could sleep in it. 
ok quick question, cant find the answer...Banal'abelas, Banal'vhenan <---what does that mean!?
Literally: nothing sorrow, nothing heart.
My favorite interpretation is: You're not sorry, you have no heart.
Others include: You have no sorrow, you have no heart.
Or: I'm not sorry, I'm not your heart.
Or a combination/variation, but you get the idea.
Ah, did you get a men's one? What size, if you don't mind me asking? I haven't gotten mine in yet, but I ordered a Men's small so I hope it's not too large.
I got the ladies shirt, actually. I'm a little bit of a funny size. Somewhat large chest, short torso. Usually I'll get a large or XL whenever an online seller marks something as a 'ladies' shirt, as they tend to be cut a bit more narrow. The XL on this shirt is more like a men's medium. It doesn't really have a sharp cut around the hip. I probably should have gone for a large, or even a medium. There's a fair bit of fabric left.
As far as sleeping in it goes- the fabric is really too thin. At least for me. Maybe the men's shirt has a thicker fabric.
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I just realized Solas is the one who heard Solas and the Inquisitor during Pranks With Sera.
"Who is up there?"
Can we talk about how Solas and Sera both refer to "people" as if they are groups with definite traits and membership? So they are vastly different, right? Except not. When Solas talks about the People, he's talking about the elves, or a group of the elves, that is somehow oppressed or suppressed by... something... and he has to do all in his power to liberate them because they need him. When Sera talks about the (Little) People, she's talking about the servants, the slaves, the working class, etc. that is somehow oppressed or suppressed by the nobility and those in power, and does little things to help them, because they need someone to ensure that they are not completely overtaken. It's like they're on the same page in different books. I don't know if that was intentional, and I don't think there's some "greater meaning" there, but it absolutely fascinates me. They are both so right and so wrong, if they just stopped talking past one another...
Technically she was already dead. Mythal was killed way back during Elvhenan, and Flemmeth probably would have died naturally in the Tower age.
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It doesn't matter if she wasn't alive by natural means? She was alive and now she's not.
It sounds to me like she was expecting it for a long time but that may be awkward phrasing. He's also still apparently weak when he goes to her so I don't know what he was planning to do if she fought.
The phrasing she intends to "let him have" her power rather than say "give him" her power suggests that he takes it and she doesn't fight. We technically don't know if he kills her, this is true. His willingness to do so does not need to be justified and excused though. The point of the initial comment stands, it doesn't need actual death: if he is willing to kill his oldest friend, he's willing to kill Lavellan.
It doesn't matter if she wasn't alive by natural means? She was alive and now she's not.
It sounds to me like she was expecting it for a long time but that may be awkward phrasing. He's also still apparently weak when he goes to her so I don't know what he was planning to do if she fought.
The phrasing she intends to "let him have" her power rather than say "give him" her power suggests that he takes it and she doesn't fight. We technically don't know if he kills her, this is true. His willingness to do so does not need to be justified and excused though. The point of the initial comment stands, it doesn't need actual death: if he is willing to kill his oldest friend, he's willing to kill Lavellan.
I agree with the rest but we don't yet know this. Love conquers all and all that jazz. The writers might end up being romantics yet.
Though if he doesn't kill romanced Lavellan, he's not going to kill any of the Inquisitors that were friends with him. They won't make his romance such a huge variable.
I wouldn't agonize too much over whether or not Solas would kill Lavellan. For one, it won't ever happen since we're the player character. He might certainly try- but at the moment, there's nothing on the table that really suggests that it would be necessary. Until we know what Solas's true goal and end vision is, there's no way to judge whether or not Mythal's murder/sacrifice was worth it.
But we do know Mythal/Flemeth knew it was coming and to some extent allowed it to happen. We also know Bioware could have easily 'shot' the scene to be far more villainous than it was portrayed. Solas is likely going to be an antagonist, but I don't think we're going to see him go off the deep end and just kill everyone who stands in his way.
On that note though, what's going on with the Kieran-old-god-soul volley ball? Who currently has the soul? What was the point of taking it from Kieran if Mythal knew Solas was coming? A backup plan to keep Flemeth alive, perhaps? Or does it factor in whatever end game Flemeth/Mythal had cooked up? So many questions.
I agree with the rest but we don't yet know this. Love conquers all and all that jazz. The writers might end up being romantics yet.
Though if he doesn't kill romanced Lavellan, he's not going to kill any of the Inquisitors that were friends with him. They won't make his romance such a huge variable.
I don't think anyone on the DA writing team is a romantic.
More seriously, I hope they don't make a short romantic relationship with someone he couldn't even be completely honest with more important than a lasting platonic relationship. There are enough "romantic love is better and more important than platonic love" stories out there already. If there's going to be a difference, let it be that Flemythal didn't even try to stop him and not how super special important the Inquisitor is over every other relationship he's ever had.
I wouldn't agonize too much over whether or not Solas would kill Lavellan.
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I was responding specifically to a comment about not believing that Solas would consider hurting Lavellan. If he felt it was necessary, yeah, he probably would not only consider doing it but actually go through with it.
I don't think Solas is going to hunt the Inquisitor down for kicks. He's not a foaming at the mouth monster. But having good intentions doesn't excuse the actions he takes either.
Old God Soul musical chairs! It seems like Kieran suffered some from having it, for one. He talks about dreams. Flemythal may have been the only one who could separate them and it was necessary to do it while she could.
I wouldn't agonize too much over whether or not Solas would kill Lavellan. For one, it won't ever happen since we're the player character. He might certainly try- but at the moment, there's nothing on the table that really suggests that it would be necessary. Until we know what Solas's true goal and end vision is, there's no way to judge whether or not Mythal's murder/sacrifice was worth it.
But we do know Mythal/Flemeth knew it was coming and to some extent allowed it to happen. We also know Bioware could have easily 'shot' the scene to be far more villainous than it was portrayed. Solas is likely going to be an antagonist, but I don't think we're going to see him go off the deep end and just kill everyone who stands in his way.
On that note though, what's going on with the Kieran-old-god-soul volley ball? Who currently has the soul? What was the point of taking it from Kieran if Mythal knew Solas was coming? A backup plan to keep Flemeth alive, perhaps? Or does it factor in whatever end game Flemeth/Mythal had cooked up? So many questions.
Yeah, this. It's certainly possible for the PC to die, you can sacrifice yourself in DA:O but it's also really unlikely. There's always going to be a bit of Special Snowflake Syndrome with regards to the PC. We still aren't certain on the history of Mythal & Solas' relationship, but I think it's really clear over the course of the game that he hasn't felt as strongly for someone like Lavellan in quite a long time.
And, I still haven't even seen anyone else confirm yet that they've also found these files? So, I'm still not entirely sure these ~spoilers are true, though I wasn't surprised when I read them. edit: went back a few pages and someone confirmed them on here. okay that's good to know. But, yes you bring up a good point about Kieran, because yeah, I don't know what she was doing there if she knew this was coming? How soon did she know? She may not have realized until around endgame I guess? So, yeah it's true Solas was probably going to to try to steal Flemeth's powers regardless - but Flemeth says in the game that a sacrifice has to be willing, and she was. From what we can see, they have goals that are somewhat aligned, otherwise I don't think she would "give in" so easily. She could have fought him. Not to mention Flemeth has escaped 'death' before, and can presumably reincarnate herself somehow or put herself in a new body.
It's really not entirely the same situation, so jumping to conclusions about how he's completely 100% willing to kill Lavellan when we are working with the bare minimum of information is a bit of a stretch to me. That's not to say I think Solas is a saint. He's not. He is entirely willing to get his hands dirty to achieve his goals, he is willing to take regrettable measures and he can be ruthless when he must be. But, there's a limit to what people will do. It's important to remember this is the same man who approves of helping refugees and other people all throughout the Hinterlands, who truly believes in helping the elves, and cares very deeply for their plight even if he won't outwardly show it or can come off as harsh. He also sees violence as a means to an end, he does not take pleasure in fighting and says this in the game. So, yeah I have a very hard time believing he'd just immediately jump to killing the Inquisitor (at least a high approval/romanced one lol)
I just realized Solas is the one who heard Solas and the Inquisitor during Pranks With Sera.
"Who is up there?"
I think we've barely scratched the surface when it comes to Solas. I think what we've been shown of him in game IS actually the truth. I don't think he's pretending to be something he's not. I can't see BioWare having him be a LI if he's essentially a lie/fake. It's a terrible thing to do to the fans. But I think we've only been shown the best side of him, with tiny glimpses of the darker aspects. Especially if you don't have high approval with him.
I can see how he is a trickster. It does come out some times. Especially anything with Sera. He's subtle most of the time, I can't help but giggle though when he gets his digs in.
Solas has the least content, and I think it's because BioWare has biiiiiig plans for him. They couldn't give us too much without showing their hand I think. Plus I think they had to be careful how much they gave us so that we didn't feel lied to or manipulated. I mean there's already those who feel like he is a liar and was using the Inquisition all along. Us in the Solas Recovery Wing saw the beauty of his character early on, and dove in with no hesitation. But those folks who didn't enjoy him as much, or maybe understand him, don't have the luxury of being optimistic like we are. (Not sure where I am going with this) I'm stupidly attached to Solas, and not because of the romance, that's just a side benefit. Even my Human and Qunari Inquisitors are on good terms with him. He's intriguing. I like the way he sees the world. Solas suddenly becoming a villain, or dying, devastates me, because there's so much potential there for so much MORE than that.
I'm with those that think he might not be wrong in what his plans are. Game and story wise, the idea of something like the Veil coming down, and the impact it would have on Thedas; I want to play that game. BioWare has created a world and story I get lost in. (My poor fiance misses me when a new game comes out. He feels like he's suddenly single lol) I love their characters, even the easily unlikable ones like Viv. I am ready for things to get messy. We've dealt with a Blight, we watched a nobody become a Champion, we've built a super power and sealed the Breach. I am excited at the prospect of doing something that are nothing like any of those things. Part of me wants Solas to succeed, and not as an antagonist or villain. I am curious what the world would be like with immortal elves and magical dwarves. (provided that IS where the series is going)
I kinda rambled on a bit, sorry. Just had a lot of these thoughts rolling around in my head.
I'd half expect Solas to show them how it's done, I mean he is supposed to be the master of this sort of thing after all.
i know right like come on let the real pro show you how its done
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