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[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Congratulations, Blackwall, Solas and Iron Bull are all bi, Vivienne is not a romance!

 

And then I woke up :v

[Brass_Buckles]

Congratulations, Blackwall, Solas and Iron Bull are all bi, Vivienne is not a romance!

 

And then I woke up :v

 

I don't see this as likely.  I do think it's going to be a bit problematic if Vivienne is a romance, since it means all female companions (and one advisor) are sexually available, and that kind of does send an icky message about the role of women even though that is not their only reason for being in the game.  And yet, I think she will be a romance.

 

Iron Bull is almost certainly a romance, and bisexual, and race-gated (to whom, I am uncertain, but likely he is not solely available to other qunari).  The other male is a tossup between Blackwall, Varric, and Solas.  Varric is unlikely and Blackwall sort of seems too fatherly, but I would not count out either of the two given what Allan Schumacher said in the Twitter thread about how people sometimes guess right and then get talked out of their correct guess by someone else on the forums.  Could be anyone, really.  Hopefully we will know by Sunday.  I think the wait for the information may be worse than knowing Solas is not going to be available, because it gives people the opportunity to play out every worst-case scenario in their heads.

 

Also... everyone goes on about Solas being bookish, but other than his being fascinated by the Fade, his character info has not made any reference to his being bookish.  I think he might be more of a "field trip scholar," the kind of guy who prefers to learn stuff by just going out and seeing for himself.  Remember, he's an elf from a small village.  He may be as illiterate as Fenris was in DA2.

[Banxey]

I just want it to end. One way or the other. Oh dear Maker let it end soon.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

All right, I don't want to bring in negativity, but what if the "soon" really does mean Blackwall is the bi romance?  Maybe they want to shake things up and say elves are not always romantically available, and certainly not to everyone?

 

I'm not saying this to bring the thread down.  I just want to support the suggestion posted earlier that rather than go on the attack or get super-negative/depressed about it, if Blackwall ends up being announced rather than Solas, we should support the Blackwall fans.  And then we should write a whole lot of risque fanfiction.

Even if Blackwall is the romance, I really do not think that was a hint. People try really hard to find "hidden messages" in what devs say. They just weren't answering the question on who the bi male was. "Soon" is what they kept saying over Twitter about nearly everything they weren't telling for weeks. It's just a "thing" now. If they wanted people to know it was Blackwall, they'd have just said it, like with Josephine. 

[Brass_Buckles]

 

 I think the wait for the information may be worse than knowing Solas is not going to be available, because it gives people the opportunity to play out every worst-case scenario in their heads.

 

In other words, Banxey... I agree.  And I'm really hoping people can be chill about it if Solas isn't an option, especially since it looks kind of likely (through our biased perspective) that he will.  I'm hoping *I* can be chill about it, and I'm expecting my hopes to get crushed like a cricket under a steamroller.

 

But yeah, back on that subject change I attempted (I do NOT want to bring the thread down and I'm sorry if I have).  What if Solas does turn out to be illiterate?  Do you think he'd even want to read books?

 

I think it may even be likely he can't read, or at least that he's had only very limited exposure to books, because books and scrolls about the Fade would have colored his perception of it.  Since that hasn't happened--and since he could likely not avoid it happening once he began reading about it--I get a "he's not really a reader" vibe.

 

So again, could he be more of a field scholar?

 

He claims to have an open-minded view.  That suggests that he hasn't had influence in how he views the Fade from the Chantry or, maybe, even the Dalish.  Which also begs the question:  When did he first visit the Fade?

 

And if he does turn out to be illiterate, I wonder if we could get some sweet scenes of teaching him to read (whether romanceable or not, this could happen and it would be touching and adorable).

[wildannie]

All right, I don't want to bring in negativity, but what if the "soon" really does mean Blackwall is the bi romance?  Maybe they want to shake things up and say elves are not always romantically available, and certainly not to everyone?

 

I'm not saying this to bring the thread down.  I just want to support the suggestion posted earlier that rather than go on the attack or get super-negative/depressed about it, if Blackwall ends up being announced rather than Solas, we should support the Blackwall fans.  And then we should write a whole lot of risque fanfiction.

Well if that's what BW choose to do then that's what will happen.  I don't necessarily think that 'shaking things up' in that way would have much point to it though, I'd of thought making the giant bull man romanceable was enough.  I most certainly wouldn't be making a character to romance Blackwall before knowing what his outcomes are - I'm just not going to knowingly engage with  a tragic loss LI again, I like my games to be fun.

[Tamyn]

Hey Patrick's going to be on the romance panel this weekend so maybe he will talk about Solas! (and IB)

[Brass_Buckles]

Well if that's what BW choose to do then that's what will happen.  I don't necessarily think that 'shaking things up' in that way would have much point to it though, I'd of thought making the giant bull man romanceable was enough.  I most certainly wouldn't be making a character to romance Blackwall before knowing what his outcomes are - I'm just not going to knowingly engage with  a tragic loss LI again, I like my games to be fun.

 

I agree with you there.  I did not romance Thane, but the end of his arc was handled very poorly.  He was created specifically to appeal to women players, and yet the devs conveniently "forgot" he was a romance option by ME3...  I felt bad for both the Thane romancers and the Jacob romancers.  Neither situation would have happened to an LI for the straight males.

 

That said, I am okay with tragic romance, as long as we're not given hints (as was done in the Thane case) that there's hope yet!  He could totally live!  Sometimes we need a sad story to remind us that we're human and why it's important to appreciate what we have.  And all that sappy stuff.

 

Now, Varric wouldn't necessarily be tragic, but he's still rather hung up on a past romance, and that's precisely what many of us have said we don't want.  When it comes to romance, almost all male characters have some baggage attached.  Few female characters are the same.  There are some refreshing exceptions, but I'd rather that we could get a more experienced/mature romance than Alistair or Garrus while still not having that character completely hung up on some past romance/One True Love that our Inquisitor can never live up to.  How about a guy who's dated a few times, but it just never worked out?  Or a guy who would have been interested in a relationship, but was too shy, or just never aggressive enough in pursuing that interest?  No baggage, but he's not inexperienced...

 

Solas would be the sort who had few opportunities.  Maybe he's tried a few times.  Or maybe, as the above example, he's been interested but it wasn't reciprocated, or he waited for the other person to make a move and they didn't, for whatever reason.

 

But I need to get off the topic of romance... illiteracy.  Yes.  That.

[Terraforming2154]

 

In other words, Banxey... I agree.  And I'm really hoping people can be chill about it if Solas isn't an option, especially since it looks kind of likely (through our biased perspective) that he will.  I'm hoping *I* can be chill about it, and I'm expecting my hopes to get crushed like a cricket under a steamroller.

 

But yeah, back on that subject change I attempted (I do NOT want to bring the thread down and I'm sorry if I have).  What if Solas does turn out to be illiterate?  Do you think he'd even want to read books?

 

I think it may even be likely he can't read, or at least that he's had only very limited exposure to books, because books and scrolls about the Fade would have colored his perception of it.  Since that hasn't happened--and since he could likely not avoid it happening once he began reading about it--I get a "he's not really a reader" vibe.

 

So again, could he be more of a field scholar?

 

He claims to have an open-minded view.  That suggests that he hasn't had influence in how he views the Fade from the Chantry or, maybe, even the Dalish.  Which also begs the question:  When did he first visit the Fade?

 

And if he does turn out to be illiterate, I wonder if we could get some sweet scenes of teaching him to read (whether romanceable or not, this could happen and it would be touching and adorable).

 

I think it would be interesting to have an intelligent/intellectually curious and contemplative character be illiterate or at least not traditionally bookish -- you don't see that very often (at least I haven't). 

 

I'm interested to hear about his first encounter with the Fade too and his perception of the what the Fade is. That's why I'm so excited to hook him up with Cole and Cassandra, since I'm hoping they will discuss it. I'm assuming Cass will have something of a typical Andrastian view of the Fade, so I'm curious to see what Solas and Cole will have to say. I personally think it really is one of Dragon Age's most interesting concepts, so I'm glad we will have a character who will actually talk about it with us a bit more.

[SurelyForth]

Hey Patrick's going to be on the romance panel this weekend so maybe he will talk about Solas! (and IB)

 

My fingers are crossed, but I'm not getting my hopes up. He's written two lesbian characters (Traynor and Celene) and a bi/lesbian character (Briala), so he could very well just discuss his experiences and how he's evolved from Traynor to the Dragon Age characters (vague so they can continue to torture us some more).

 

But maybe something will go wonderfully right and he'll talk about how he approached writing two bisexual men who are as different as Iron Bull and Solas seem to be.

[Argothian]

But yeah, back on that subject change I attempted (I do NOT want to bring the thread down and I'm sorry if I have).  What if Solas does turn out to be illiterate?  Do you think he'd even want to read books?

 

I think it may even be likely he can't read, or at least that he's had only very limited exposure to books, because books and scrolls about the Fade would have colored his perception of it.  Since that hasn't happened--and since he could likely not avoid it happening once he began reading about it--I get a "he's not really a reader" vibe.

 

So again, could he be more of a field scholar?

 

He claims to have an open-minded view.  That suggests that he hasn't had influence in how he views the Fade from the Chantry or, maybe, even the Dalish.  Which also begs the question:  When did he first visit the Fade?

 

And if he does turn out to be illiterate, I wonder if we could get some sweet scenes of teaching him to read (whether romanceable or not, this could happen and it would be touching and adorable).

 

That's interesting, what you said about not reading about the Fade so that he wouldn't be influenced by it. It is also likely that being brought up in a small village there could have been little chance to find books and read them, but I personally feel that Solas can read and maybe used the Fade to do it, wonder how many books he could find there! I believe he is curious about everything and books are a great source of information. Maybe he entered the Fade as illiterate and end up being well-read thanks to it.

Here's a cute fanart *-*



from http://countessnoir.tumblr.com/

[LazyNinjaArtist]

Here's an organized time table of Bioware's activity throughout GaymerX for those who are interested; hopefully, they'll speak of Solas, given that Ser Weekes will be there :3

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

(Courtesy of Ericander77)

[SurelyForth]

I think it would be interesting to have an intelligent/intellectually curious and contemplative character be illiterate or at least not traditionally bookish -- you don't see that very often (at least I haven't). 

 

 

This would be interesting.

 

It would also be cool if he's developed his own sort of shorthand to keep track of his dreams and encounters in the Fade, and maybe the Inquisitor could offer to help translate it so other Fade scholars (or anyone interested in the Fade, spirits, and/or magic) can read it. I think I'd prefer that to teaching him how to read. I've never been a fan of the "Hawke teaches Fenris to read!" craze I see in fic and fanart, because it tends to infantilize Fenris in weird and unrealistic ways. I'd hate for the game to make that a thing with Solas. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm really hoping they pushed the reveal on the hetero LIs during the Raptr chat because they planned to release the bi ones at GaymerX. 

[Brass_Buckles]

That's interesting, what you said about not reading about the Fade so that he wouldn't be influenced by it. It is also likely that being brought up in a small village there could have been little chance to find books and read them, but I personally feel that Solas can read and maybe used the Fade to do it, wonder how many books he could find there! I believe he is curious about everything and books are a great source of information. Maybe he entered the Fade as illiterate and end up being well-read thanks to it.

Here's a cute fanart *-*

 

Even if he's able to read (and illiteracy does not seem to be a huge issue in, say, Ferelden where they want everyone to read the Chant of Light), he might still avoid reading about specific topics (namely the Fade-related ones, or ones relating to spirits/demons), since that sort of thing might affect how he views the Fade and its denizens, even now.

 

And yet, I won't be surprised if he either can't read, or learned to do so from someone's memories in the Fade--which would maybe let him read/translate some very old texts and languages, but leave him incapable of reading more modern writing.

 

Again, with all of his traveling and napping to visit the Fade, Solas doesn't strike me as someone who does a lot of reading.  He could still carry a book or two in his backpack, but books and scrolls would be heavy, and it seems my theory that his backpack/pouches/fur wrap contained all of his worldly possessions was right.  He's a homeless vagrant.  Which is kind of hilarious in the context that most of us here want to romance him...

[TheJediSaint]

I'm really hoping they pushed the reveal on the hetero LIs during the Raptr chat because they planned to release the bi ones at GaymerX. 

 

I'm sure it was all part of their evil plan...to conquer the world!  Somehow...

[Brass_Buckles]

This would be interesting.

 

It would also be cool if he's developed his own sort of shorthand to keep track of his dreams and encounters in the Fade, and maybe the Inquisitor could offer to help translate it so other Fade scholars (or anyone interested in the Fade, spirits, and/or magic) can read it. I think I'd prefer that to teaching him how to read. I've never been a fan of the "Hawke teaches Fenris to read!" craze I see in fic and fanart, because it tends to infantilize Fenris in weird and unrealistic ways. I'd hate for the game to make that a thing with Solas. 

 

Fenris also was a bit emotionally immature, considering he'd been a slave and through a lot of trauma--he had little opportunity to mature emotionally.  So, he might indeed have been a bit childlike while learning to read.  I don't think it would be quite the same teaching Solas to read.  Solas seems like he'd ask intelligent questions and maybe be embarrassed that this was something he didn't know how to do, but he'd try to learn with patience and respect, vs. Fenris probably losing his temper at how hard it was.  I think it's more in how it's presented.

 

I do like that theory that he's read stuff in the Fade--if he learned to read from ancient memories, he may only be able to read ancient languages.  He may also be the only elf fluent in ancient Elven--it's brought up somewhere, maybe in Masked Empire, that the Dalish elves don't even know all of their own language.  Even they only know bits and pieces, and may not even know all of the meaning to the words that they use.

 

Again, it may be interesting (to me anyway) if he can read ancient text but he can't read anything recent.  And remember those runes on the walls in that really old gameplay vid?  What if those have something to do with Solas?  He could be the only one able to translate those runes and make use of them for us.  That would be neat, I think.

[SurelyForth]

Fenris also was a bit emotionally immature, considering he'd been a slave and through a lot of trauma--he had little opportunity to mature emotionally.  So, he might indeed have been a bit childlike while learning to read.  I don't think it would be quite the same teaching Solas to read.  Solas seems like he'd ask intelligent questions and maybe be embarrassed that this was something he didn't know how to do, but he'd try to learn with patience and respect, vs. Fenris probably losing his temper at how hard it was.  I think it's more in how it's presented.

 

I do like that theory that he's read stuff in the Fade--if he learned to read from ancient memories, he may only be able to read ancient languages.  He may also be the only elf fluent in ancient Elven--it's brought up somewhere, maybe in Masked Empire, that the Dalish elves don't even know all of their own language.  Even they only know bits and pieces, and may not even know all of the meaning to the words that they use.

 

Again, it may be interesting (to me anyway) if he can read ancient text but he can't read anything recent.  And remember those runes on the walls in that really old gameplay vid?  What if those have something to do with Solas?  He could be the only one able to translate those runes and make use of them for us.  That would be neat, I think.

 

You're right about Fenris. Plus, Fenris was a former slave, and Hawke always a human. I think that also influences how I perceive their dynamic. 

 

But I also like thinking Solas can read ancient languages, and that he understands archaic symbology (and secretly enjoys stumping Vivienne and Dorian whenever he can). I've already decided that he will always be on the squad when going through old ruins and dungeons, just in case we encounter some cool stuff (like can you imagine having him along with the Warden while wandering the Brecillian Forest and those ruins?)

[Science To Do]

This speculation makes me wonder how old - or how young, as the case may be - Solas was when he left his small village, and why he left. What were his parents/guardians like? Did they harbor him when they found out he was a mage? Maybe they had plans to send him to the Circle when he was a child, so he ran away, leaving him free of Andrastian teachings to influence his opinion of the Fade. On that note, maybe his endless fascination with the Fade stems from using it as a sort of escape from a rough time growing up (rougher than most, considering the setting of the games).

 

Either way, I also think it's pretty unlikely that he knows how to read and write any modern language. Even with Fade memories as teachers, he seems to have a focus on more ancient things. Helping him with modern language as he helps us with ancient language could be very fun and, dare I say, cute.

[Brass_Buckles]

This speculation makes me wonder how old - or how young, as the case may be - Solas was when he left his small village, and why he left. What were his parents/guardians like? Did they harbor him when they found out he was a mage? Maybe they had plans to send him to the Circle when he was a child, so he ran away, leaving him free of Andrastian teachings to influence his opinion of the Fade. On that note, maybe his endless fascination with the Fade stems from using it as a sort of escape from a rough time growing up (rougher than most, considering the setting of the games).

 

Either way, I also think it's pretty unlikely that he knows how to read and write any modern language. Even with Fade memories as teachers, he seems to have a focus on more ancient things. Helping him with modern language as he helps us with ancient language could be very fun and, dare I say, cute.

 

... That would be completely adorable, if the Inquisitor were the curious sort, enough to WANT to learn from Solas.  Even more adorable if he's a romance option, since it puts them on equal footing.  "Okay, I'll teach you to read modern Fereldan if you will teach me ancient Elvish.  Deal?"

 

And I can indeed see him being able to read, except that the one book that most people in Ferelden and Orlais would have would be the Chant of Light.  Much like with medieval/Renaissance Europe and the Bible, those who can read would mostly learn to read from the Chant of Light.  It's pretty clear that Solas hasn't been influenced by the Chant.  Surely he's heard of it, and knows of the information in it about demons by now, but he must not have been exposed to it early on, to have been able to maintain an open mind about the Fade.

 

And that makes me wonder, as someone else had brought up, whether one of his parents may be Dalish, and was opposed to Solas learning the Chant.  Or maybe they were just poor elves who were more interested in surviving than religion.

[Science To Do]

So, so adorable. And a Dalish mage Inquisitor, having possibly been the First for their clan, would probably have some unique dialogue for that situation.

 

No doubt he's familiar with the Chant of Light, but as you said, he could have been brought up to just not care about it that much. In fact, if his parents really were just poor elves, they might not have even had a copy of the Chant, or if they did, it very well could have been used as much needed kindling.

 

EDIT: Just adding the word "possibly" where it belonged. 

[Fondragon]

A lot of people here is sticking with Cole,Solas,Cass team but i personally think that its not so good idea ... taken that Cassandra's brother was killed by a blood mage ... and Cole is sorta using blood magic ... i think she might not like him that much ... she might be ok with Solas and have respect for what he has done .. but i still think that Blackwall is a better pick ... since he is Grey Warden and they dont care about these kind of stuff mostly .. and he wants to help all the people just like Cole does ... and Blackwall with Solas talking about ,, kids these days'' might be really fun 

[Brass_Buckles]

So, so adorable. And a Dalish mage Inquisitor, having been the First for their clan, would probably have some unique dialogue for that situation.

 

No doubt he's familiar with the Chant of Light, but as you said, he could have been brought up to just not care about it that much. In fact, if his parents really were just poor elves, they might not have even had a copy of the Chant, or if they did, it very well could have been used as much needed kindling.

 

I don't think he could have been exposed to it at a young age, and still be open-minded about the Fade.   Or else, what made him open-minded was some serious crisis of faith that then enabled him to consider that maybe the Fade wasn't what he thought?  Maybe learning more than one religion and having conflicting expectations that were then reflected in the Fade?

 

Hard to say...

[Nocte ad Mortem]

They said the Dalish Inquisitors are the first in their clans? I missed that.

[Brass_Buckles]

They said the Dalish Inquisitors are the first in their clans? I missed that.

 

I don't remember that being said, either.  Only that the Dalish mage Inquisitor was NOT the Keeper.