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[RynJ]

 

I don't think anyone on the DA writing team is a romantic. 

 

More seriously, I hope they don't make a short romantic relationship with someone he couldn't even be completely honest with more important than a lasting platonic relationship. There are enough "romantic love is better and more important than platonic love" stories out there already. If there's going to be a difference, let it be that Flemythal didn't even try to stop him and not how super special important the Inquisitor is over every other relationship he's ever had.

 

We don't know enough about the way he feels about his relationship with Mythal to say if his connection with the Inquisitor isn't stronger. It's not necessarily about romantic vs platonic. Sometimes you really do just connect with someone on an intense level even if you haven't known them for very long.

 

I have no issue with him loving the Inquisitor more than Mythal. Either way is perfectly valid with me and no one way is lesser than the other in my eyes. I don't need him to love my Inquisitor foreva more than anyone but I'm not going to knock it if he does.

 

Edit: It's so hard to remember to talk about Mythal instead of Flemeth. 

[Renmiri1]

Yeah, this. It's certainly possible for the PC to die, you can sacrifice yourself in DA:O but it's also really unlikely. There's always going to be a bit of Special Snowflake Syndrome with regards to the PC. We still aren't certain on the history of Mythal & Solas' relationship, but I think it's really clear over the course of the game that he hasn't felt as strongly for someone like Lavellan in quite a long time.

 

And, I still haven't even seen anyone else confirm yet that they've also found these files?

I found them as well

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...h-reveal-myself

 

2 people from different countries, it is in the game files, there is no doubt about it

 

 

I refuse to believe Solas would kill Lavellan

 

And that is why he leaves, for now he still wants to have both Lavellan alive and achieve his goal. So he is running away from those two things meeting head on. But at least in my headcanon, if push comes to shove he will choose Lavellan

 

Bioware would not do another Anders to us     

[Shari'El]

 

I wrote this stupidly long post in the big spoiler thread and realized it doesn't really relate to the big spoiler.

So I thought I'd share, it's about the Tarot cards Solas gets (The Tower & The Heirophant)

 

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I think that the fact that when romanced it changes to the Heirophant is a way to give those who endured that horribly sad romance a sneak peak to his personality? In a good way. Romaced Lavellan knows Solas the most, she has the best idea of who he is and his motives (still not a lot of idea, but still...), I think it's a way to expand on that knowledge to the player.

 

Also, we should consider the meanings of the cards.

 

The Tower - this one comes to describe the fact that "omg Solas is Fen'Harel' as well as what Solas is trying to achieve. The Tower speaks of (usually disastrous) realization/revelation, when what you think is true is revealed to be false, it also speaks of sudden change. So - the revelation that Solas is Fen'Harel (obviously) and that he has been hiding the truth of his connection to Cory all along, as well as his plan to bring about a big change.

 

Classic Tower (from a deck I own):

 

The Heirophant - this is trickier. This card revolves around religion and beliefs, as well as a cause. He is also known as the Pope. It can also speak of "doing the right things". This card speaks of status quo, it's the exact opposite of the 'change' in the Tower. It's quite bewildering since it's obvious Solas is still up to executing his plans. The question is - does this hint that he changed some of his opinions?

On the other hand it can speak of another aspect of the card, spirituality, mercy/goodness, consciousness, connecting "god" and the people sort of thing. As well as striving for harmony within a community, maybe this comes to explain his final goal? 

 

Classic Heirophant (this is a deck I own):

 

Also, this card has a female counterpart - the High Priestess, I kind of like thinking of Lavellan as her.

 

Please notice that there aren't really bad cards in Tarot, they can be bad in certain context as well as good. There is a Devil card (generally pleasure/indulgence/desire etc.) and Death card (generally endings/big change).

 

 

OK, an addition.

You all probably have noticed how well Solas romance card & Lavellan's tarot card go together (they are facing each other arms extend towards each other, both holding a plant in their hands. Both holding a staff (which is odd, the Dalish cards are the only ones to hold weapons).

I've been thinking that maybe she is the High Priestess.

There are 2 obviously female tarot cards in the major arcana - Empress & High Priestess and their equivalents are the Emperor & Heirophant cards. There are also several others which are gender neutral in meaning but usually depict a female - Star, World & Strength, but I won't speak about them.

 

The Empress card - represents fertility, femininity, beauty, abundance. While I can go and try to figure out this card, I believe what she stands for doesn't really reflect the Inquisitor, this card is rather shallow.

The High Priestess card - basically represents intuition, mystery, subconsciousness (dreams?), she stands for gaining knowledge before making decisions. The Dalish female card also has an aura of mystery, unlike Solas' card which appears more upfront (I suppose?). The other 3 female cards are a lot more assertive, the Dalish female card is... quiet. A romanced Lavellan needs to be inquisitive, seeks knowledge and she be open to ideas and mysteries (otherwise she'll have a hard time making Solas interested, I'm sure it is possible romancing him and not being all of these, but it's probably really hard).

 

 

I'm pretty certain of it, I'm not sure there are specific cards for the other race/gender combo, but there could be (we just need to figure out the clues), but since female Lavellan is the only one who can romance Solas (who is the Heirophant) then it fits really neatly.

Even too neatly.

I know Vivienne is the high priestess (which suits her, sort of, it's more of her front than her real self) but since the cards for the races/gender do not appear in the tarot deck I don't really think it matters. Plus, have you noticed how much Vivienne's card & fem!Dalish card have in common?

 

 

Facing right, heads in profile, similar torso and lower body positions (torso leaning back, left leg in front), staves in their left hands, objects in their right hands, colors matching.

 

Probably reading too much into this.

I just like the idea that, since they didn't give us a lot of romance content, that they left clues for us.

[Eivuwan]

 

I was responding specifically to a comment about not believing that Solas would consider hurting Lavellan. If he felt it was necessary, yeah, he probably would not only consider doing it but actually go through with it.

 

 

I can imagine him knocking her out or something, but I don't think he would kill her. Actually, if the writers decide to make Solas kill the inquisitor so that he really becomes a villain that everyone hates in the next game, I'm going to throw chairs. If Solas seriously hurts my Lavellan, that could actually be a bit traumatic for me even if it's a video game.

[scintilla]

We don't know enough about the way he feels about his relationship with Flemeth to say if his connection with the Inquisitor isn't stronger. It's not necessarily about romantic vs platonic. Sometimes you really do just connect with someone on an intense level even if you haven't known them for very long.

 

I have no issue with him loving the Inquisitor more than Flemeth. Either way is perfectly valid with me and no one way is lesser than the other in my eyes. I don't need him to love my Inquisitor foreva more than anyone but I'm not going to knock it if he does.

 

Between her being called his oldest friend and the intimate body language before he takes her power, it's probably safe to say they were close. And if Solas was a real person and this wasn't a story being told, I would agree with you. Someone is making decisions about how the story is told and what messages, intended or not, are included in that story.

[Renmiri1]

If they do a Solas that kills Inquisition forces then is Anders all over again -.-

[Eivuwan]

If they do a Solas that kills Inquisition forces then is Anders all over again -.-

 

It's worse than Anders. Wayyyy worse.

 

Edit: Seriously if they are going to go with that I'm going be one of those people demanding a plot change dlc or boycott bioware.

[RynJ]

Between her being called his oldest friend and the intimate body language before he takes her power, it's probably safe to say they were close. And if Solas was a real person and this wasn't a story being told, I would agree with you. Someone is making decisions about how the story is told and what messages, intended or not, are included in that story.

 

I'm not denying that they were good friends.

 

As for the rest, we're going to have to just disagree about this I guess. I don't think having him love Lavellan more than Mythal is some knock on the value of platonic relationships. But you do, and that's all good. The differing opinions in this thread are what gives it life! 

 

Oh and since I haven't said it, Merry Christmas to all of those here who celebrate it!

[Cosmia]

OK, an addition.

I know Vivienne is the high priestess (which suits her, sort of, it's more of her front then her real self) but since the cards for the races/gender do not appear in the tarot deck I don't really think it matters. Plus, have you noticed how much Vivienne's card & fem!Dalish card have in common?

 

*whips out tarot set*

 

The race cards actually are included in the tarot deck, just not the Major Arcana. The female Dalish is the Four of Coins (aka pentacles), and in the deck she doesn't have a stave and there are no gold details (plus some other changes).

[Renmiri1]

Between her being called his oldest friend and the intimate body language before he takes her power, it's probably safe to say they were close. And if Solas was a real person and this wasn't a story being told, I would agree with you. Someone is making decisions about how the story is told and what messages, intended or not, are included in that story.

 

From all the data I extracted from that section on design choices, this was instructions given to voice actors and graphic designers at the beginning of the design process.. look in my tumblr, there is a lot of stuff that is old and obsolete. For sure those notes were written before any voice actor was hired.

 

Who knows what changes happened in between. At the time Solas was not an LI and was not written yet.

 

Don't panic optimistic Lavellans. Our egg elf is not a killer

[Sinaxi]

I found them as well

http://ar-lath-ma-vh...h-reveal-myself

 

2 people from different countries, it is in the game files, there is no doubt about it

 

 

I refuse to believe Solas would kill Lavellan

 

And that is why he leaves, for now he still wants to have both Lavellan alive and achieve his goal. So he is running away from those two things meeting head on. But at least in my headcanon, if push comes to shove he will choose Lavellan

 

Bioware would not do another Anders to us     

Hum, not sure what you mean by "Bioware doing another Anders to us." Anders makes it very very clear to Hawke in the beginning of their relationship that the mage cause is his top priority and it always will be, he has dedicated himself to that cause and to put Hawke above the lives of countless mages that he's trying to save is really not in his nature.

 

People keep bringing up Anders as a comparison to Solas as if this is some horrendous! awful! thing, even though if Solas "goes the way of Anders" it would be entirely in character for him, as he would be doing something he feels is NECESSARY for the greater good but I guess people will ...inevitably complain about that regardless and claim he betrayed the PC lol.

He says himself, "to achieve the world one desires, one must take regrettable measures." That doesn't mean I think he's going to murder knife Lavellan, but yeah, he's not a saint. He will do what he feels is necessary.

[Renmiri1]

I'm not denying that they were good friends.

 

As for the rest, we're going to have to just disagree about this I guess. I don't think having him love Lavellan more than Mythal is some knock on the value of platonic relationships. But you do, and that's all good. The differing opinions in this thread are what gives it life! 

 

Oh and since I haven't said it, Merry Christmas to all of those here who celebrate it!

 

Saw it a million times in RL and movies

 

emotional relationships >>>> platonic relationships

 

Very very rarely someone puts a friend above a lover. Hell, often mothers or fathers put lovers above their own flesh and blood!

[CardinalSin90]

The wise give the people what they need..not what the want :v

[Tielis]

Just curious, what does the male Dalish card represent?  And the other races/genders?

 

Also, I had to make this:

 

Spoiler

[Cosmia]

Just curious, what does the male Dalish card represent?  And the other races/genders?

 

Also, I had to make this:

 

Spoiler

I can check tomorrow, but the Dalish male card is the Five of Pentacles.

[Renmiri1]

Hum, not sure what you mean by "Bioware doing another Anders to us." Anders makes it very very clear to Hawke in the beginning of their relationship that the mage cause is his top priority and it always will be, he has dedicated himself to that cause and to put Hawke above the lives of countless mages that he's trying to save is really not in his nature.

 

People keep bringing up Anders as a comparison to Solas as if this is some horrendous! awful! thing, even though if Solas "goes the way of Anders" it would be entirely in character for him, as he would be doing something he feels is NECESSARY for the greater good but I guess people will ...inevitably complain about that regardless and claim he betrayed the PC lol.

He says himself, "to achieve the world one desires, one must take regrettable measures." That doesn't mean I think he's going to murder knife Lavellan, but yeah, he's not a saint. He will do what he feels is necessary.

 

No, on Act 1 Anders says that losing Hawke would kill you as surely as templars would

On Act 2 he also says he would "drown us in blood to protect you" 

Only on Act 3 he says he loves Hawke more than anything he has loved in his life.. but some things are worth even more than life. 

 

I don't think Solas would hurt Lavellan or anyone on Skyhold, otherwise he would have just cut Lavellan's hand to get the orb back.  He didn't, he honestly worked with her to save all of Thedas. I think he might have gone to sleep as this ruthless guy but thousands of years in the fade with wise and gentle spirits and seeing humans / elves / dwarves and even qunary unite for the greater good must have mellowed him out.

[RynJ]

Saw it a million times in RL and movies

 

emotional relationships >>>> platonic relationships

 

Very very rarely someone puts a friend above a lover. Hell, often mothers or fathers put lovers above their own flesh and blood!

 

True in some cases but it's much more complicated than that. There are so many different levels of love and levels within those levels. So many levels of friendship and of romance and of familial love. There are some friendships that trump all and a sibling relationship will also come before a lot for other people. And sometimes, yes, romantic love is stronger than all of them. But there are some people who never feel romantic attraction who still form bonds just as intense with others on a familial or platonic level.

 

But this IS a video game we're talking about. If the PC is a special snowflake that Solas loves more than anything, it's not really surprising. But it also isn't necessarily unbelievable in a real-life situation. I can definitely understand the position of being annoyed at "romantic love trumps all" but, for me, BioWare has done such a great job at friendships and platonic relationships in the past that it doesn't bother me if they make the romantic thing true in one circumstance. Heck, I felt my Warden's sister relationship with Morrigan more powerfully than my romance with Alistair, and Alistair is my bae.

[BlueElf2]

I'm back. I'm sorry I had a moment of weakness. In retrospect it is not as big of a deal as I thought.
 
_{And now I'm drawing a pretty terrible picture of Lavellan riding a unicorn through the Fade to search for Solas because why not?}

Is it a -bog- unicorn? LOL
As to the possible spoilers, they actually line up pretty well with what I thought after seeing the epilogue and thinking back on some game events. I believe Solas will do whatever he thinks is necessary to achieve his goals even if it brings him pain or is something he doesn't actually want to do. That mindset may certainly lead to much drama, but I honestly don't see him as being evil as he seems to be doing things out of what he perceives as necessity as opposed to just for the evil lulz. My inquisitor would probably follow him on his quest and be all "Elven glory!" the whole time, so my perspective may be slightly skewed....

[SamanthaJ]

I don't suppose they have any text files on the mural.

[Shari'El]

*whips out tarot set*

 

The race cards actually are included in the tarot deck, just not the Major Arcana. The female Dalish is the Four of Coins (aka pentacles), and in the deck she doesn't have a stave and there are no gold details (plus some other changes).

 

Interestinggggggggg

Can you get us a picture?

Maybe it's relevant only to the game, she has a staff, the card is different, it's interesting they'd do that.

[Salad]

Hey guys, this seems to be the wrong place to ask, but, anyone knows why I cannot reply to any of the topics under Customization? I wanted to post something Solas and pictures of my Lavellan with him under that section... The button says "you cannot reply to this topic"

 

I was thinking of maybe it's because of my post count? I saw someone with lower post count than I do post on the topics though, so I'm kinda confused here @.@

 

Any feedbacks appreciated!

[Renmiri1]

I don't suppose they have any text files on the mural.

Didn't see them but it seems there are text files for all codex entries

[Renmiri1]

Hey guys, this seems to be the wrong place to ask, but, anyone knows why I cannot reply to any of the topics under Customization? I wanted to post something Solas and pictures of my Lavellan with him under that section... The button says "you cannot reply to this topic"

 

I was thinking of maybe it's because of my post count? I saw someone with lower post count than I do post on the topics though, so I'm kinda confused here @.@

 

Any feedbacks appreciated!

Is it a group ? You need to be member of a group to post on it's thread

[Renmiri1]

On other news, sharpen your pencils and brushes

 

[BlueElf2]

Hey guys, this seems to be the wrong place to ask, but, anyone knows why I cannot reply to any of the topics under Customization? I wanted to post something Solas and pictures of my Lavellan with him under that section... The button says "you cannot reply to this topic"

I was thinking of maybe it's because of my post count? I saw someone with lower post count than I do post on the topics though, so I'm kinda confused here @.@

Any feedbacks appreciated!

If it's a group thread, you may need to join it. If that's the case, there should be a join icon on the page.

Edit: I was too slow. LOL