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[Renmiri1]

I agree. Something else to consider with this is that it's not as simple as Mythal just being a close friend and the ~drama of Solas being willing to kill someone he has that kind of bond with. She's also a member of the pantheon and seems to have had an important, leadership role within that pantheon, keeping the others in check, enforcing justice. She had duties which she and Solas took seriously (as evidenced by the way he defends her at the Temple). What happened in the credits scene is likely something they both considered another part of those 'duties'. I think 'The People' coming first is something they're in agreement on, and always have been. It's why I'm not sure him being willing to kill her, and doing so, on behalf of a mission to save the People, makes for a sweeping statement about how much Solas values his personal relationships (or even what kind of people he's willing to sacrifice or those he's not). Mythal is a special case. 

 

Alas the sentence about him being willing to kill anyone between him and his goal comes from the game files

 

But as I said, all the other files on that area looked pretty old, like from way before the characters were drawn, developed and voiced. so maybe things evolved 

[BlueElf2]

Just a thought I had and honestly not trying to be all doom and gloom because I really do want a happy quizzy/Solas outcome, but am I the only one who gets the idea that Solas is totally expecting to die as a result of his mission?...I'm sorry! I'm still Team Optimism!

[Dr. Doctor]

On other news, sharpen your pencils and brushes
 

If Dorian is Freddie Mercury, then Solas is Brian May. The guy has a PhD in astrophysics and plays an electric guitar he built himself.



Also, while on the subject of rock I nominate this for the Solas Playlist:

[Renmiri1]

Just a thought I had and honestly not trying to be all doom and gloom because I really do want a happy quizzy/Solas outcome, but am I the only one who gets the idea that Solas is totally expecting to die as a result of his mission?...I'm sorry! I'm still Team Optimism!

 

UGH

 

Is just like Anders again. Do something shitty and die to avoid seeing the wreck he caused

 

 

Please Bioware, not again

[Tielis]

UGH

 

Is just like Anders again. Do something shitty and die to avoid seeing the wreck he caused

 

 

Please Bioware, not again

 

But at least we'd get to hear Varric say, "Good job, Chuckles."  

[scintilla]

But at least we'd get to hear Varric say, "Good job, Chuckles."  

 

You know why we really need Solas's story to be handled with the Inquisitor? So we can see Varric's reactions to Solas. I will pay extra for every time he facepalms.

[BlueElf2]

UGH

Is just like Anders again. Do something shitty and die to avoid seeing the wreck he caused


Please Bioware, not again

Not exactly like Anders. My thoughts are more along the lines of him thinking that whatever he is doing may wind up killing him at the end, not so much that he wants to not face the results/truth of his actions. I was just reflecting on the lines where he speaks through Cole and tells him he wouldn't wish his own on an enemy. It makes it sound like he views it as a terrible burden, which could be because of what he feels he has to do to reach his goals or because he sees it as not ending well for him at the end of that path or both.

[Sinaxi]

Just a thought I had and honestly not trying to be all doom and gloom because I really do want a happy quizzy/Solas outcome, but am I the only one who gets the idea that Solas is totally expecting to die as a result of his mission?...I'm sorry! I'm still Team Optimism!

No, it's pretty obvious to me based on all of his dialogue. It's particularly apparent in the break up scene where Lavellan can say: Whatever you need, we can find together. He says: No, we can't. You'll see.

I really believe that from his perspective he honestly doesn't think there's another chance for them. It's apparent via his post-game lines that come from Cole, as well. He knows he is walking down a path he has to walk alone. He talks about it saying he wouldn't even wish it on an enemy, he makes it sound as if he is headed for extreme suffering and intense trials. Trials he very well may not come back from.

I am definitely of the opinion that he knows what he is doing could cost him his life, just...it's clear in the way he talks about it to me? I do not think he would recklessly go in search of that, though, he is a keen strategist and will sacrifice what he must to win and I think would strive for his own survival. But he is very fatalistic as a character, in general.

So, he's simply being realistic when he says Lavellan cannot go with him - I don't believe he's trying to 'save' her, he just is being realistic. It's a path he has to walk alone, in his mind. He never meant to get involved with her in the first place and he has to break it off because he has things to do; things he has to accomplish. He can't just outright explain to her everything, and hope she'll understand after all. So, yeah, I agree. He's quite fatalistic about the entire thing.

[Renmiri1]

.....What I meant was Anders DEVOTED his life to freeing mages. Not that it was all his character was, or that he did not have other layers. But as a base, that was the purpose of his character in DA2 and it was what he devoted his entire life to which he says multiple times. So yeah, utterly ignoring that he says repeatedly that everything he is doing is to help the mages is rather nonsensical to me.

 

Me saying his priorities - freeing mages - did not change from Act 1 to Act 3 does NOT mean I am saying he is not nuanced. That's not what nuanced means. His priorities did not ever change, his actions to achieve those priorities did.

This thread is friendly so I won't take the bait

 

I think you missed a lot about Anders or at least the way you speak about him doesn't do justice to your knowledge of the character.  His top priority was to not kill innocent people, not free mages.

 

If you read his intro by his writer Vengeance + Anders power is staggering. He basically killed an entire platoon of Wardens armed to the the teeth, without breaking a sweat. And regretted ever since. With that kind of power he could have freed the Kirkwall mages at any time so his priority was NOT to free mages. Not at any cost. 

 

Missing that intro, which was not in the game, is not unusual but you also don't seem to have done his mission on Act2 where he almost kills a mage and wants to massacre all templars around. And then he wants to leave Kirkwall and give up because he doesn't want to turn himself into what the templars hate about mages.

That is another proof that freeing mages is NOT his main priority, again it is important but his priority is not to kill innocent people. All through Act 1 and Act 2 this is made very clear. Only on Act 3, when it becomes clear innocents will die regardless of him acting or not is that he THEN decides to act on his SECOND prioriority and does what he needs to do to free mages.

 

Maybe you saw all that as well, I just found it hard to read it on your words trying to insult me

[arelenriel]

I agree. Something else to consider with this is that it's not as simple as Mythal just being a close friend and the ~drama of Solas being willing to kill someone he has that kind of bond with. She's also a member of the pantheon and seems to have had an important, leadership role within that pantheon, keeping the others in check, enforcing justice. She had duties which she and Solas took seriously (as evidenced by the way he defends her at the Temple). What happened in the credits scene is likely something they both considered another part of those 'duties'. I think 'The People' coming first is something they're in agreement on, and always have been. It's why I'm not sure him being willing to kill her, and doing so, on behalf of a mission to save the People, makes for a sweeping statement about how much Solas values his personal relationships (or even what kind of people he's willing to sacrifice or those he's not). Mythal is a special case. 

I think ultimately Flemythal may help Solas to have a more balanced perspective on modern elves if she can contribute anything in her current form. She has been "Ashn'Bellanar" to the modern elves for centuries and has helped them in what ways she can (or they would not be as familiar with her). This means she may have a better idea of how they "devolved" as it were or how their magic and immortality got locked away (which is implied when OGB Kieran implies that the Quizzy has "old blood").

 

Through her he may come to understand that the only thing other than teaching those who want to learn about the past like Lavellan that is preventing the Elves from returning to what they used to be is a matter of unlocking that potential on a race-wide level -- which ultimately may correlate to whatever his plans are re: removing the Veil and restoring the other Elvhen Not-Gods.. she is also more likely given that Flemythal has historically been driven to create small changes (like saving Hawke &Co and HOF) that have a significant influence on Thedas rather than large changes that create chaos, to influence Solas to focus less on the everything must change now because I say so attitude- after all she has been working to change Thedas for centuries at a minimum

[Shari'El]

I posted them a while ago; here are the elf race cards included with the physical tarot deck:

 

That is entirely different.

Quite interesting.

Makes me feel I may be correct with my far fetched theory

[NeverlandHunter]

Merry Christmas Solas thread!
From Lavellan: May the Dread Wolf never hear your steps.
From Me: Dread Wolf take you

[Dr. Doctor]

But at least we'd get to hear Varric say, "Good job, Chuckles."  

It's not what Lady Lavellan is going to do to Solas if she finds out. It's what Cassandra's going to do when she finds out that Solas abused her trust, and she has a grappling chain:

[Renmiri1]

Anders "short" By his writer Jennifer Hepler

 

http://forum.bioware...d/#entry4686732

 

That thing described above could kill the entire city of Kirkwall without even getting tired..

[Salad]

Look for an option to the side that says Group Members. If you click on it, the page it brings you should have a link to join the group...I think.

 

Thank you  

 

But I... give up. I just can't seem to find the "Group Members" or any indication to join the specific Customization section group. Tried following the thread / forum, browsing the group tab and everything else. /sigh I might have to let my screenies gather dust then.

 

Thanks for bearing with me ^^;

[SamanthaJ]

Important question. Apparently Solas wants to save the elven people...but who are the elven people?

[BlueElf2]

Thank you  
 
But I... give up. I just can't seem to find the "Group Members" or any indication to join the specific Customization section group. Tried following the thread / forum, browsing the group tab and everything else. /sigh I might have to let my screenies gather dust then.
 
Thanks for bearing with me ^^;

Sorry! Not sure what the problem is then. It's entirely possible I remembered wrong or that the pages look different on my tablet.

[Renmiri1]

Important question. Apparently Solas wants to save the elven people...but who are the elven people?

His ancient Elven people. Abelas, and his godlike buddies.

 

Not the Dalish or the City elfs apparently

[Eivuwan]

Important question. Apparently Solas wants to save the elven people...but who are the elven people?

 

The ones who build the artifacts I guess. Hmm what if all the spirits in the fade are actually the souls of the ancient elves. O_O

[DarthEmpress]

I hope Solas doesn't "go down in flames."  He actually does sound like he wants to stick around given his dialogue with Vivienne on what to do with free mages so I'm guessing maybe (hopefully) he doesn't go the martyr route.

[kalasaurus]

Merry Christmas to all my fellow Solassians who celebrate it, and Happy Holidays

 

So, I just noticed this on my first playthrough as a human... I didn't realize that Solas was as tall as human women.  I guess I wasn't paying attention.

 

Spoiler

[Eivuwan]

Maybe the ancient elves were all spirits who had physical forms. They were too pure and simple so when the humans came, it corrupted a lot of them making them turn into demons and losing their immortality. Somehow the Creators and Forgotten Ones are involved in this as well. Solas might have decided to seal the spirit part of the ancient elves into the fade because he believed that they would be happier there without too much human influence.

[scintilla]

I think ultimately Flemythal may help Solas to have a more balanced perspective on modern elves if she can contribute anything in her current form. She has been "Ashn'Bellanar" to the modern elves for centuries and has helped them in what ways she can (or they would not be as familiar with her). This means she may have a better idea of how they "devolved" as it were or how their magic and immortality got locked away (which is implied when OGB Kieran implies that the Quizzy has "old blood").

Spoiler

 

Through her he may come to understand that the only thing other than teaching those who want to learn about the past like Lavellan that is preventing the Elves from returning to what they used to be is a matter of unlocking that potential on a race-wide level -- which ultimately may correlate to whatever his plans are re: removing the Veil and restoring the other Elvhen Not-Gods.. she is also more likely given that Flemythal has historically been driven to create small changes (like saving Hawke &Co and HOF) that have a significant influence on Thedas rather than large changes that create chaos, to influence Solas to focus less on the everything must change now because I say so attitude- after all she has been working to change Thedas for centuries at a minimum

 

That's something I hadn't thought about. Does he just get Mythal's powers or does he now have access to her memories/knowledge the way Flemeth seemed to? She would certainly have a better perspective on the history of Thedas, having watched so much of it occur.

 

Flemythal's approach to helping is certainly less likely to leave all of Thedas on fire.

 

Merry Christmas Solas thread!
From Lavellan: May the Dread Wolf never hear your steps.
From Me: Dread Wolf take you

 

 

It's not what Lady Lavellan is going to do to Solas if she finds out. It's what Cassandra's going to do when she finds out that Solas abused her trust, and she has a grappling chain:

*snip*

 

It's true. Forget the Inquisitor, the real threat to Solas is Cassandra.

[BlueElf2]

I hope Solas doesn't "go down in flames."  He actually does sound like he wants to stick around given his dialogue with Vivienne on what to do with free mages so I'm guessing maybe (hopefully) he doesn't go the martyr route.

I hope that, too. I just got the impression that Solas sees a definite chance that his quest may kill him. It's definitely not what I want to happen, but it does fit with his grim and fatalistic outlook.

[Dr. Doctor]

His ancient Elven people. Abelas, and his godlike buddies.
 
Not the Dalish or the City elfs apparently

I think he views the Dalish and City Elves as a reminder of his failure. From the sound of it he sealed the Elven Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones away in hopes of saving Elven society only to cause its collapse and the loss of its knowledge.