Poor Lady Cadash gets shown the world of dreams for the first time ever in what would be a highly romantic scene...only to get shut down. Solas then wakes up the following morning with a Halla head next to him to remind him not to mess with the Carta.
Based on his conversations with Cassandra, Andrastianism doesn't seem to bother Solas that much. Or at least belief in the Maker doesn't. Clearly he has some issue with the Chantry's treatment of certain groups but Solas doesn't appear to have a solid faith. As he says, he's always open to new ideas.
Yeah, I don't think Solas would refuse to be with someone over their faith.
That said, I don't think it's utterly outrageous that Sera isn't okay with being with a person who has a different faith. The problem is precisely how she deals with it. Differing faiths can be a deal-breaker in real life, and it doesn't mean that the people involved are horrible people or even that they are biased. It's just that religion (or lack thereof) is a very personal thing, and a sensitive topic. It could be hard to deal with thinking that your loved one won't go to the same afterlife, etc. because of their faith. It would be harder still to reconcile faiths when there are or might be children involved. Whose faith do you teach them? Of course Sera and the female Inquisitor would not have that particular problem, but still... My point is I can understand an amicable split over faith, a "let's be friends because this won't work in the long run" type thing, but Sera basically demands that you change your faith or else. And that's not okay.
I wish that Varric were a romance option gated for dwarven females (dwarf girls need more love!). I'd make a dwarven female for that. He needs to get over Bianca, ASAP.
I'm not a huge Varric fan, but I do agree with you on Bianca. She's married. She's not happy about it, but she's married, and by continuing anything with Varric, the two of them are just endangering Varric and making one another deeply unhappy.
Well, BioWare does have a tradition of giving straight women romances that will cheat, lie, die, betray, love their long-lost wife/lover better, etc. What's one more to the list? (Yes, I'm bitter.)
That said, Solas is only into women because he's straight, I'd imagine.
The elf thing probably has to do with his desire to give a gift that is purely elven and that is lasting--vallaslin made sense. Even if he doesn't strictly identify as elven, at least not modern elven, there are things about elves that only elves understand. While yes, he does seem to be a bit racist or elitist in that regard (and he is always happy to be proven wrong about his negative opinions), it does make sense that he wants a truly elven relationship. I mean, he is an elven god, after all. I think given enough time, he might be a bit more open-minded about other races, but whatever the case, he'd still be straight.
Yeah, I don't think Solas would refuse to be with someone over their faith.
That said, I don't think it's utterly outrageous that Sera isn't okay with being with a person who has a different faith. The problem is precisely how she deals with it. Differing faiths can be a deal-breaker in real life, and it doesn't mean that the people involved are horrible people or even that they are biased. It's just that religion (or lack thereof) is a very personal thing, and a sensitive topic. It could be hard to deal with thinking that your loved one won't go to the same afterlife, etc. because of their faith. It would be harder still to reconcile faiths when there are or might be children involved. Whose faith do you teach them? Of course Sera and the female Inquisitor would not have that particular problem, but still... My point is I can understand an amicable split over faith, a "let's be friends because this won't work in the long run" type thing, but Sera basically demands that you change your faith or else. And that's not okay.
I think that if it were such a strong issue for Sera, she shouldn't have entered a relationship with Lavellan in the first place. I'm not saying that she should be gated against elf females, but that it says something about her character.
Real life example: my mom and dad had two very different religions (Christian and Hindu)- it would be like if when they started dating, my mom told him give up Hinduism entirely or they were through. It's one thing to not want to date outside your religion, it's another to actually date someone outside your religion in hopes of them converting for you.
In defense of Sera, it's possible that she didn't like Lavellan's faith but thought she could handle it and look past it until she found out the hard way that she couldn't. The whole thing with Mythal's temple and the Well really freaks her out and she can't deal with it.
I wish that Varric were a romance option gated for dwarven females (dwarf girls need more love!). I'd make a dwarven female for that. He needs to get over Bianca, ASAP.
I don't think Solas would be put off by someone specifically because they were Andrastian. He seems very excepting of other religions, I'd say it's worshipping the Elvhen pantheon that he gets put off a bit by. Obviously not enough to stay away though!
Yeah, I really think every race and gender should've been allowed to flirt with everyone that can be flirted with. I mean, just because you're only interested in elves doesn't mean I'm not interested in you! A scene were Solas explains he's not interested would've been so mortifying, but in the "I want to see it" way!!!!
I also would of liked to flirt with Varric, but alas, now I'm being needy!
That's a good point. I think you're right that he would be more against worshiping the elven pantheon all things considered. And like Rynj says he is fine with Cassanra's faith and is more against the Chantry than anything. I suppose as long as someone wasn't belligerent about it. I only thought he might not since he disapproves whenever Andraste is invoked by the Inquisition...but that does seem more Chantry related than faith related. And he does approve if you say "I believe!" in the "I don't like you" scene rather than saying you're giving people hope or making allies.
That's a good point. I think you're right that he would be more against worshiping the elven pantheon all things considered. And like Rynj says he is fine with Cassanra's faith and is more against the Chantry than anything. I suppose as long as someone wasn't belligerent about it.
He might not approve of worshiping the elven pantheon, but I can't imagine him telling the Inquisitor (or anyone else) not to. For starters, it would be troublesome for his cover story. And also, he seems to value people's freedom of thought and action. If he started telling people who to worship, that would be rather out of character for him. He doesn't like non-elves romancing Sera, but note that he also doesn't tell them not to do it.
Lets be honest about this- Sera isn't even really an Andrastian-- she doubts whether or not the Quizzy is the Herald throughout the game and when confronted with the fact she isn't .. just accepts it as one more thing about religion that is "not true" .. Sera has no faith in any religion unless it is proven to her that it exists... she is very much an agnostic and admits she is a doubter ..religion of any kind disturbs her and shapes her relationship with the Quizzy in a major way
Solas has a similar perspective for different reasons of course given that he knew most of the Elven Creators, possibly the Forgotten One's/Old Gods and maybe even the Maker when he was living as Fe'Harel.. he knows they are fallible... and make mistakes ... when they do good things for people they are really good things but when they are bad it tends to cause chaos and mass destruction.. Solas however would be an atheist because he will state to Quizzy that the gods weren't gods just very powerful potentially spirit inhabited beings who controlled their respective societies at the uppermost levels... in other words there are no Gods..
Lets be honest about this- Sera isn't even really an Andrastian-- she doubts whether or not the Quizzy is the Herald throughout the game and when confronted with the fact she isn't .. just accepts it as one more thing about religion that is "not true" .. Sera has no faith in any religion unless it is proven to her that it exists... she is very much an agnostic and admits she is a doubter ..religion of any kind disturbs her and shapes her relationship with the Quizzy in a major way
Sera may not have an unwavering faith, but she joined the Inquisition to reaffirm it- that makes her very much an Andrastian. Even Leliana and Cassandra have their doubts about the Maker's will and what the truth is, but they're still Andrastians. Also, Sera will even disapprove if you tell her in the post-Mythal conversation that you're not the Herald of Andraste.
Well, BioWare does have a tradition of giving straight women romances that will cheat, lie, die, betray, love their long-lost wife/lover better, etc. What's one more to the list? (Yes, I'm bitter.)
That said, Solas is only into women because he's straight, I'd imagine.
The elf thing probably has to do with his desire to give a gift that is purely elven and that is lasting--vallaslin made sense. Even if he doesn't strictly identify as elven, at least not modern elven, there are things about elves that only elves understand. While yes, he does seem to be a bit racist or elitist in that regard (and he is always happy to be proven wrong about his negative opinions), it does make sense that he wants a truly elven relationship. I mean, he is an elven god, after all. I think given enough time, he might be a bit more open-minded about other races, but whatever the case, he'd still be straight.
I was more questioning why they didn't add flirt options with Solas like they did Cullen rather than why he wasn't available as a romance to males/other races. But I do really like the idea that he wanted to give a meaningful elven gift...he was real catty with an Inquisitor who romanced Sera, saying she'd want something "human and fleeting" so he definitely isn't the simple gift type. Too bad we didn't get to return a gift. Didn't the other romance options get a return gift? Maybe the relationship with him was the gift. Or maybe...we'll get to give him a gift...in the future.
I was more questioning why they didn't add flirt options with Solas like they did Cullen rather than why he wasn't available as a romance to males/other races. But I do really like the idea that he wanted to give a meaningful elven gift...he was real catty with an Inquisitor who romanced Sera, saying she'd want something "human and fleeting" so he definitely isn't the simple gift type. Too bad we didn't get to return a gift. Didn't the other romance options get a return gift? Maybe the relationship with him was the gift. Or maybe...we'll get to give him a gift...in the future.
I suppose the lack of flirt options is probably due to lack of time to add them.
As for a return gift... I am hoping we get to do something with Solas in a DLC, hopefully that doesn't end in tragedy. I still have my suspicion we're going to be asked to have elf babies with him in the future. Yes, I know not all women are fertile and not all women are female (gender vs. sex), but as long as it's a choice and not something forced upon the player, well... I'd be okay with it.
That said, I'd have liked to have been able to give Solas some kind of gift. I guess it'd be hard to give someone like him a gift, though. Material possessions don't seem as important to him--his reaction to the Inquisitor asking about gifts for Sera tells us that. It would be more about the meaning behind the gift, and something "human and fleeting" wouldn't be enough.
Speaking of "human and fleeting..." If he's against that kind of gift, no wonder he wanted to do something like taking away the vallaslin, which would be a permanent change. He's making a statement that his love will last as long as his gift does. That's kind of... He's trying to tell her he'll love her as long as she lives, right before he has to leave her, forever. That is profoundly, horribly sad.
... Solas, why do you have to be so adorable, you messed up elven god, you?????
This explains it.
Scripteerrrrrrssssssssss! *shakes fist angrily*
You know, I also found it strange that Abelas called my Lavellan "shemlen" at the well of sorrows, I thought maybe he was just being rude and comparing dalish to humans, but maybe that was a scripting error too.
Scripteerrrrrrssssssssss! *shakes fist angrily*
You know, I also found it strange that Abelas called my Lavellan "shemlen" at the well of sorrows, I thought maybe he was just being rude and comparing dalish to humans, but maybe that was a scripting error too.
It might have been, but the modern elves are technically quickened so it might have been deliberate to distinguish them. He does get pretty miffed if an elven Inquistor calls him his/her people, though I don't blame him since Quizzy practically demanded he help.
Scripteerrrrrrssssssssss! *shakes fist angrily*
You know, I also found it strange that Abelas called my Lavellan "shemlen" at the well of sorrows, I thought maybe he was just being rude and comparing dalish to humans, but maybe that was a scripting error too.
I just thought my Lavellan was being really ignorant and Abelas called her shemlen because she isn't immortal (still could be true).
Ugh.
Scripters!!!
I want to hear the real dialog now! With Lavellan being all smug around Morrigan!
I just thought my Lavellan was being really ignorant and Abelas called her shemlen because she isn't immortal (still could be true).
Ugh.
Scripters!!!
I want to hear the real dialog now! With Lavellan being all smug around Morrigan!
I'm thinking if the scripters did it, well... are we talking about the coding-scripters, or the writing-scripters? If it's the former, it's a bug and could possibly be fixed. If it's the latter, then it's a writing error and those lines were never even added into the game. Then it won't be possible to fix it.
I'm thinking if the scripters did it, well... are we talking about the coding-scripters, or the writing-scripters? If it's the former, it's a bug and could possibly be fixed. If it's the latter, then it's a writing error and those lines were never even added into the game. Then it won't be possible to fix it.
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And is good news, if the writing is on the game and the voices are on the game we modders will find it eventually.
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And is good news, if the writing is on the game and the voices are on the game we modders will find it eventually.
Better yet, a patch may be released if that content exists in-game already, and it might be fixed. 'Cause it's a pretty huge oversight and way jarring to have my Keeper's First not know who Mythal is. It'd be surprising if she'd been a hunter and hadn't known, but Keeper's First? Come on, seriously?
Better yet, a patch may be released if that content exists in-game already, and it might be fixed. 'Cause it's a pretty huge oversight and way jarring to have my Keeper's First not know who Mythal is. It'd be surprising if she'd been a hunter and hadn't known, but Keeper's First? Come on, seriously?
Whats even more annoying is if they are wearing Mythal's Vaslallin .. that is a major case of uhhhhh,,, derp since whether your Lavellan was a hunter, warrior, or Keepers First, they would have chosen a specific Vaslallin on reaching adulthood.
Yes! Please patch this BioWare!Better yet, a patch may be released if that content exists in-game already, and it might be fixed. 'Cause it's a pretty huge oversight and way jarring to have my Keeper's First not know who Mythal is. It'd be surprising if she'd been a hunter and hadn't known, but Keeper's First? Come on, seriously?
Whats even more annoying is if they are wearing Mythal's Vaslallin .. that is a major case of uhhhhh,,, derp since whether your Lavellan was a hunter, warrior, or Keepers First, they would have chosen a specific Vaslallin on reaching adulthood.
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