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 I definitely agree with this sentiment.  Much as I don't want to.  I feel continuation of the Solas romance is unlikely not just because of the practical difficulties from a logistic standpoint, but because I feel that the writer intended for it to be a permanent breakup.  Like in this case, aufgeschoben IST aufgehoben.  Relationships don't always work out.  Sometimes it's because distance or circumstances conspire to keep people apart; sometimes in spite of real love, personalities just don't mesh; sometimes it's because one party is an ancient demigod who plans to destroy the current world in an effort to restore the glory of a lost civilization.   The point is, rejection hurts no matter what the reason, and there isn't any real cure for that.  As much as I want a DLC where I can give Solas a good shake and demand that he uncrush my heart, dammit, that pretty much never happens, and I think that is a truth that Patrick Weekes wants us to appreciate.    

You may well be right that the romance is over but, seriously,  I don't need Patrick Weekes, or anyone to give me any lessons on how the relationships work, and I'd really hope that that is not even close to his goals when writing characters - would be incredibly patronizing.  People break up, people get back together, there are no rules.  Those who are most likely to get back together are those who are actually in love, it is not a guarantee, but it is a good start. 


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 I definitely agree with this sentiment.  Much as I don't want to.  I feel continuation of the Solas romance is unlikely not just because of the practical difficulties from a logistic standpoint, but because I feel that the writer intended for it to be a permanent breakup.  Like in this case, aufgeschoben IST aufgehoben.  Relationships don't always work out.  Sometimes it's because distance or circumstances conspire to keep people apart; sometimes in spite of real love, personalities just don't mesh; sometimes it's because one party is an ancient demigod who plans to destroy the current world in an effort to restore the glory of a lost civilization.   The point is, rejection hurts no matter what the reason, and there isn't any real cure for that.  As much as I want a DLC where I can give Solas a good shake and demand that he uncrush my heart, dammit, that pretty much never happens, and I think that is a truth that Patrick Weekes wants us to appreciate.    

 

My personal problem with the Solas romance being well and truly over is that there is a long history of the straight female relationships ending in similar ways.  Cheating, death, breaking up with you--the ONLY female character BioWare has written who does anything similar to male players is Morrigan.

 

Yes, we get it.  Sometimes relationships don't work out.  If we didn't get it by this point, after BioWare telling us so time after time after time--or if not our LIs leaving us, or dying, or cheating, or breaking up, then loving someone else more--then we would have to be pretty dense.  But, already in this game, Blackwall apparently vanishes if you romanced him--and that's assuming you're okay with his lying to you about who he is and using that to get into bed with your character.  Cullen, who was, like Solas, added last-minute, is the only other one I'd be remotely okay with a romance with.

 

I said it before and I will say it again:  YES, I AM BITTER.  I'm bitter and annoyed that it's the straight ladies who can't seem to keep a pixel-relationship, because apparently the writers or the developers or SOMEONE thinks that this is what we like, when instead it often makes us angry or frustrated or just downright sad--sad enough that this thread is pretty much fueled on equal doses of sadness and hope.

 

I'm okay with the occasional tragedy, but it's not even occasional anymore, it's routine.  As in every single game, as in at least one of the romances available to women.  And if it happened to straight men this often, well, they would be storming BioWare Edmonton!

 

ARGH.

 

Okay, rant over...

 

I'm not convinced that there's no chance for a happy ending, despite the difficulties they face. I'm planning to cling desperately to team optimism until DLC proves the relationship is over for good. 

 

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Yes, I think there's always a possibility for a happy ending until the last DLC is released.  Even if not happy, I at least want some kind of resolution to it, one that I get to choose through my own actions.  For instance, if I let Solas kill those mages in his personal quest, then maybe in the future he will not let anything stop him, not even my romanced Lavellan.  But, if I stopped him, maybe he'll stop and think about Lavellan's compassion.  Something like that.

 

I'm taking it as permanent too, until further notice.... but I tend to think it has more to do with the fact that we'll likely be getting a new protagonist for the next installment. Or if not, I just hope they don't pull a Jacob, where it's like it never happened and he's all derpy about it. If they handle it similar to how they handled Morrigan, that would be nice. Morrigan's romance with The Warden had an impact on her characterization and I would hope the Quizzy did the same for Solas. 

 

There have been precedents for plot-DLC that added additional romance content.  This happened both for DAO and ME2, and yes, ME3.

 

The Jacob thing isn't the only thing they've done though.  Or have we forgotten Alistair's breakup if you don't harden him or decide it's okay to be his mistress (assuming you are not human noble) or Thane's death, or the fact that Blackwall apparently vanishes from Skyhold (but can still join your party) if you romance him--oh and Blackwall totally has a sex scene with the Inquisitor under an assumed identity, and that's also very much Not Okay.

 

I want resolution, plain and simple.  If it's possible to have a happy ending, I want that.  Even if it means Lavellan has to go villain to do so (or be treated as such later on, regardless of her intentions).  I want resolution so badly that I'm writing a horribly depressing fanfic in part to settle it, and I'm not even sure if my Lavellan and Solas will even be together in the end of that once the plot is finally resolved.  But at least it will offer me some sort of headcanon-y satisfaction in regard to knowing where they stand in the end.

 

If liara got a romance in her DLC. and Morrigan got a romane in her's. THEN I WANT A ROMANCE IN THE SOLAS DLC!

 

Yeah, me too.  Again, I'm kind of sick of the ladies being expected to be okay with our LIs cheating, breaking up, leaving, or dying.  It's totally not cool, because it happens far, far too often, along with the "lost love he loved better than the current one" thing.  Just... no.  Please, just no.


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You may well be right that the romance is over but, seriously,  I don't need Patrick Weekes, or anyone to give me any lessons on how the relationships work, and I'd really hope that that is not even close to his goals when writing characters - would be incredibly patronizing.  People break up, people get back together, there are no rules.  Those who are most likely to get back together are those who are actually in love, it is not a guarantee, but it is a good start. 

I know, right. :P I don't mean he's trying to be patronizing or didactic to players, more that he's trying to really demonstrate that aspect of life: things don't always get fixed.


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You may well be right that the romance is over but, seriously,  I don't need Patrick Weekes, or anyone to give me any lessons on how the relationships work, and I'd really hope that that is not even close to his goals when writing characters - would be incredibly patronizing.  People break up, people get back together, there are no rules.  Those who are most likely to get back together are those who are actually in love, it is not a guarantee, but it is a good start. 

Well said. Plus, everyone else gets an option for happy outcomes. Discrimination! :[


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Catching up on the last few pages. Are people really thinking we won't get closer in dlc/future content? Im seeing people say that they think its really over and Weekes might of intended it that way. Which I don't think is true because of all the teasing.
Any reason for the doom n gloom?

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You may well be right that the romance is over but, seriously,  I don't need Patrick Weekes, or anyone to give me any lessons on how the relationships work, and I'd really hope that that is not even close to his goals when writing characters - would be incredibly patronizing.  People break up, people get back together, there are no rules.  Those who are most likely to get back together are those who are actually in love, it is not a guarantee, but it is a good start. 

I DID NOT BUY A TICKET FOR THE TEAM PESSIMISM TRAIN LET ME OFF LET ME OFF NOWWW

 

But really, I don't think the romance was over at all. Come on that breakup was so not final. A final break up, to me, is one where at least one of the people involved is no longer in love with the other person. Solas obvs still loves the inquisitor and did not want to end it...he simply had to because MYSTERIOUS REASONS. And the inquisitor of course wanted it to last forever. If it's something besides the two people involved that is keeping those people apart (like the end of the world blah) there is every reason to hope that those two will find their way back to each other. The love is still there for both parties.

 

Also there's like, no way of knowing what is in Weekes' brains ( you know, besides meats). Whatever predictions we make are just that, there's no way to know for sure what his intentions are.  


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I DID NOT BUY A TICKET FOR THE TEAM PESSIMISM TRAIN LET ME OFF LET ME OFF NOWWW

 

But really, I don't think the romance was over at all. Come on that breakup was so not final. A final break up, to me, is one where at least one of the people involved is no longer in love with the other person. Solas obvs still loves the inquisitor and did not want to end it...he simply had to because MYSTERIOUS REASONS. And the inquisitor of course wanted it to last forever. If it's something besides the two people involved that is keeping those people apart (like the end of the world blah) there is every reason to hope that those two will find their way back to each other. The love is still there for both parties.

 

Also there's like, no way of knowing what is in Weekes' brains ( you know, besides meats). Whatever predictions we make are just that, there's no way to know for sure what his intentions are.  

EXACTLY! There is still hope darn it!



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I'd like elves to not get screwed this time around. In Origins when my Dalish had to execute her childhood boo-lover-friend...I was devastated and heartbroken. It didn't even matter if she had moved on to Zev or Alistair, because that effing SUCKED. You never forget your first love. And that happened to her. And heaven forbid she be left as the mistress to Alistair. The only straight option she has that doesn't suck is Zev. Which is actually the best ending for them....O.o It would just suck a million times over for the Dalish females to get smacked down again.

 

But I do agree, it's not over until someone in it is over with the other. And in this case neither is over it. Until death or time passes for emotions to fade, they are both still bound to each other.


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Catching up on the last few pages. Are people really thinking we won't get closer in dlc/future content? I saw someone say that its really over and Weekes intended it that way. Which I don't think is true because of all the teasing.
Any reason for the doom n gloom?

I think maybe it's my way of coping?  



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I think maybe it's my way of coping?  

 

Can we just give you hugs and convert you to team optimism for now?


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Catching up on the last few pages. Are people really thinking we won't get closer in dlc/future content? I saw someone say that its really over and Weekes intended it that way. Which I don't think is true because of all the teasing.
Any reason for the doom n gloom?

 

Just someone's feels about the issue, and that amount of pessimism (and the thought that straight ladies might lose out AGAIN in the happiness department) just... makes me seethe, due to feels about the high percentage of LIs for straight women who have left/cheated/lied/been in love with someone else/etc.

 

The opinion itself doesn't bother me, so much as the idea that they might be right, and to me, it shows that the devs really still don't care much about the female fanbase, who are pretty much desperate (as seen in this thread, Team Optimism) for Good Things to Happen.


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I think maybe it's my way of coping?  

I get it, I get it...it's sometimes easier to make yourself believe the worst will happen...then if it does you won't hurt as much. But I'm telling you man, the weather on Team Optimism is sooooo nice. You really should try it...the sun is shining and the breeze is flowing gently through the Emerald Graves and we've got ALL THE BOTTLES OF THEDAS TO DRINK UP IN HERE.


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I get it, I get it...it's sometimes easier to make yourself believe the worst will happen...then if it does you won't hurt as much. But I'm telling you man, the weather on Team Optimism is sooooo nice. You really should try it...the sun is shining and the breeze is flowing gently through the Emerald Graves and we've got ALL THE BOTTLES OF THEDAS TO DRINK UP IN HERE.

 

Yeah, while plenty of us here are Garrus fans, let's please not be as grim and fatalistic as Garrus and Solas are... Something the two of them have in common, sadly enough.


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We should all write strongly politely worded letters about how women don't actually like it when their video game romances end like tragic Lifetime movies (especially when our male counterparts always 'get the girl'). I want an ending that would make the end of a Hallmark movie look like the ending of Old Yeller dammit.


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We should all write strongly politely worded letters about how women don't actually like it when their video game romances to end like tragic Lifetime movies (especially when our male counterparts always 'get the girl'. I want an ending that would make the end of a Hallmark look like the ending Old Yeller dammit.

That actually makes me wonder, how would people react if one of the love intrests for Male inquistors broke up with them at the end.



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That actually makes me wonder, how would people react if one of the love intrests for Male inquistors broke up with them at the end.

Well, many certainly didn't like Morrigan absconding in DA:O.  :P 



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How about some happy Solas to brighten up the thread?

 

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I'm on a gif-making streak today.


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 I definitely agree with this sentiment.  Much as I don't want to.  I feel continuation of the Solas romance is unlikely not just because of the practical difficulties from a logistic standpoint, but because I feel that the writer intended for it to be a permanent breakup.  Like in this case, aufgeschoben IST aufgehoben.  Relationships don't always work out.  Sometimes it's because distance or circumstances conspire to keep people apart; sometimes in spite of real love, personalities just don't mesh; sometimes it's because one party is an ancient demigod who plans to destroy the current world in an effort to restore the glory of a lost civilization.   The point is, rejection hurts no matter what the reason, and there isn't any real cure for that.  As much as I want a DLC where I can give Solas a good shake and demand that he uncrush my heart, dammit, that pretty much never happens, and I think that is a truth that Patrick Weekes wants us to appreciate.    

Yeah, I would really, really like there to be more to come, but I'm still convinced that the likeliest thing that is the romance in the game was basically just supposed to kick you hard in the feels and walk away giggling.

 

The most I can realistically hope for is getting a little resolution for my Inquisitor in DLC, where she can at least figure out what happened and have a chance to move on and devote herself to saving Thedas instead. T_T


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OKAY! So I promised smut and I got carried away with writing Cocky!Young!Solas' dialogue. I like fell in love with my brain. It was weird. 

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6418736

 

How is he so smooth even in my own head what is going on? Dude has penetrated my fade dreams. 

 

Gah I promise i get to the good stuff I'm sorry. 


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Guys, remember, we commit to the relationship when Solas breaks it off.

 

We could have committed to it on the balcony, but instead, we commit at the end...like "I open at the close." It's sad, but to me, that means there is hope.

 

My personal problem with the Solas romance being well and truly over is that there is a long history of the straight female relationships ending in similar ways.  Cheating, death, breaking up with you--the ONLY female character BioWare has written who does anything similar to male players is Morrigan.

 

Yes, we get it.  Sometimes relationships don't work out.  If we didn't get it by this point, after BioWare telling us so time after time after time--or if not our LIs leaving us, or dying, or cheating, or breaking up, then loving someone else more--then we would have to be pretty dense.  But, already in this game, Blackwall apparently vanishes if you romanced him--and that's assuming you're okay with his lying to you about who he is and using that to get into bed with your character.  Cullen, who was, like Solas, added last-minute, is the only other one I'd be remotely okay with a romance with.

 

I said it before and I will say it again:  YES, I AM BITTER.  I'm bitter and annoyed that it's the straight ladies who can't seem to keep a pixel-relationship, because apparently the writers or the developers or SOMEONE thinks that this is what we like, when instead it often makes us angry or frustrated or just downright sad--sad enough that this thread is pretty much fueled on equal doses of sadness and hope.

 

I'm okay with the occasional tragedy, but it's not even occasional anymore, it's routine.  As in every single game, as in at least one of the romances available to women.  And if it happened to straight men this often, well, they would be storming BioWare Edmonton!

 

ARGH.

 

Okay, rant over...

 

 

Yes, I think there's always a possibility for a happy ending until the last DLC is released.  Even if not happy, I at least want some kind of resolution to it, one that I get to choose through my own actions.  For instance, if I let Solas kill those mages in his personal quest, then maybe in the future he will not let anything stop him, not even my romanced Lavellan.  But, if I stopped him, maybe he'll stop and think about Lavellan's compassion.  Something like that.

 

 

There have been precedents for plot-DLC that added additional romance content.  This happened both for DAO and ME2, and yes, ME3.

 

The Jacob thing isn't the only thing they've done though.  Or have we forgotten Alistair's breakup if you don't harden him or decide it's okay to be his mistress (assuming you are not human noble) or Thane's death, or the fact that Blackwall apparently vanishes from Skyhold (but can still join your party) if you romance him--oh and Blackwall totally has a sex scene with the Inquisitor under an assumed identity, and that's also very much Not Okay.

 

I want resolution, plain and simple.  If it's possible to have a happy ending, I want that.  Even if it means Lavellan has to go villain to do so (or be treated as such later on, regardless of her intentions).  I want resolution so badly that I'm writing a horribly depressing fanfic in part to settle it, and I'm not even sure if my Lavellan and Solas will even be together in the end of that once the plot is finally resolved.  But at least it will offer me some sort of headcanon-y satisfaction in regard to knowing where they stand in the end.

 

 

Yeah, me too.  Again, I'm kind of sick of the ladies being expected to be okay with our LIs cheating, breaking up, leaving, or dying.  It's totally not cool, because it happens far, far too often, along with the "lost love he loved better than the current one" thing.  Just... no.  Please, just no.

 

I DID NOT BUY A TICKET FOR THE TEAM PESSIMISM TRAIN LET ME OFF LET ME OFF NOWWW

 

But really, I don't think the romance was over at all. Come on that breakup was so not final. A final break up, to me, is one where at least one of the people involved is no longer in love with the other person. Solas obvs still loves the inquisitor and did not want to end it...he simply had to because MYSTERIOUS REASONS. And the inquisitor of course wanted it to last forever. If it's something besides the two people involved that is keeping those people apart (like the end of the world blah) there is every reason to hope that those two will find their way back to each other. The love is still there for both parties.

 

Also there's like, no way of knowing what is in Weekes' brains ( you know, besides meats). Whatever predictions we make are just that, there's no way to know for sure what his intentions are.  

 

I would marry the both of you. 

 

 

How about some happy Solas to brighten up the thread?

 

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B5X0NYd.gif

 

 

I'm on a gif-making streak today.

 

 

When he says "A figure of speech", he just looks at her so fondly, my heart flutters still. Just d'awwwwww.


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I want Solas with that haircut, inspire the official concept art :

 

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http://pandahart.tumblr.com/


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I kinda had a dream about Solas the other night.  But it wasn't the pictures sort of dream, it was just the abstract sort of thing...  In it, Solas in ancient times was like Leliana, a spymaster sort, and both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones thought he was actually working for them.  Like a double agent.  Until he turned on them.  Which is pretty much how it's been told for the most part, but now I'm really feeling that Leliana comparison.


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They had the option of not making him a romance. Actually, the option was whether to make him a romance because he originally wasn't. The fact that he is not only means that Solas will be around for future content, but that the devs saw that making that sort of connection with him was worth it. I doubt they'd do it and then throw it away by the end of the game with nothing more in the future. Why waste the resources in that case?


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I do wonder, perhaps we might be able to see a younger version of solas or Fen'harel? Not through time magic, but pehraps the fade. 


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OKAY! So I promised smut and I got carried away with writing Cocky!Young!Solas' dialogue. I like fell in love with my brain. It was weird. 

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/6418736

 

How is he so smooth even in my own head what is going on? Dude has penetrated my fade dreams. 

 

Gah I promise i get to the good stuff I'm sorry. 

 

Hey, it's all good. I'm enjoying each chapter. <3

 

I do wonder, perhaps we might be able to see a younger version of solas or Fen'harel? Not through time magic, but pehraps the fade. 

 

Hmm, that would be interesting! Given the option to search for him in the Fade? The spirits helping by gathering tiny fragments of who he is/was. That would be interesting. Maybe in their way of trying to stop him from doing another silly thing or to give him the help he needs but doesn't realize he needs. To let her know what's going on....interesting.


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